Charles -- I think that's a great idea -- giving tribute to previous CC's. I'm all for that. I'd like to do the same for the county coordinators. I know there was a guy name Art that did alot of work for Bernalillo county, and Vikki Gray was in charge after him. I don't know if Art was the first or not. Does anybody remember their dates of service by any chance? How about San Miguel county? thanks, Angela

Susan said: Every volunteer has the right to ask questions and make requests. When "requests" are not met, taking it to the national level as a demand for action and doing what the requestor deems is right does not foster cooperation, and it certainly creates stress for people involved. Reply: When questions are ignored on the state level a CC has no alternative but to go higher unless they are afraid. It is my opinion that more people do not enter into discussion because they do not have an interest in politics and they do not want to get involved in interchanges that have involved threats of lawsuits in the past. Reply: I know of no lawsuit involving NMGenWeb prior to today. Is your statement a general statement or do you have specifics in mind? One of the things I love most about our volunteers is the wide variety of talents we have and the amazing contributions we have made! Reply: I agree. Charles Barnum Susan Bellomo <susanbellomo@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry. I meant to post this to the list. As I discovered, Reply sends a response to a person who posted; Reply All sends a response to the list and to the individual who posted. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bellomo" To: "jcnreno" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] Professional Elections Every volunteer has the right to ask questions and make requests. When "requests" are not met, taking it to the national level as a demand for action and doing what the requestor deems is right does not foster cooperation, and it certainly creates stress for people involved. It is my opinion that more people do not enter into discussion because they do not have an interest in politics and they do not want to get involved in interchanges that have involved threats of lawsuits in the past. Intentions and effects are not the same thing. It is one thing to express an opinion and make a request. It is another to make demands and escalate them when no one else has expressed consensus. I've only been around since late 1996 or early 1997 when I took over Otero County. The Wild Bunch in NMGenWeb, in my opinion (based on the 9 years I've communicated with our volunteers) prefers to limit the bureaucratic underpinnings of the organization in order to use time and energy to help researchers and to put available information on line. The request has been made and noted. Now, let's get back to New Mexico genealogy on the list. One of the things I love most about our volunteers is the wide variety of talents we have and the amazing contributions we have made! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcnreno" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] Professional Elections Not so Angela, I always respected Leon. When he had his heart attack the bylaws called for an election. I wanted an election according to the bylaws. It's that simple. After he regained his strength he could have run for office again but he choose not to do so. Had he run for office I would have voted for him. You will have to find another villain. I did not cause Leon's heart attack. Clogged arteries from cholesterol buildup cause heart attacks. His decision not to run again was his alone. He was not in the habit of asking anyone for permission. Again, the Bylaws are very clear. When an SC can no longer serve, an election must be held. Those are not my rules, they are the rules of USGenWeb. There is an AB member on this email list, anyone might ask her to explain this. It is not strange that I praise Leon, I have the up most respect for him. We exchanged a number of private emails that you are not aware. He helped me in many ways. As for voting, in my opinion there is no election if there is no vote. It's an American thing. If you do not like to vote, then don't vote, but do not deny me the right to vote. Susan did a great job too, but I objected to the lack of structure in our elections. I object that we were not allowed to vote for the SC. As a CC I have a right to express my concerns about elections. I will continue to do so. This does not mean I am biased toward any particular person. No, I will not run for state office. That is my decision, it is not up to others to decide that. But yes, I will continue to express my concerns. I think it would be appropriate to list Leon Moya's name on the State page with his dates of service since he played an important part in creating NMGenWeb. I hereby formally make that motion now. Feel free to vote against or for this motion. Thanks for your input, Angela. Feel free to launch personal attacks against me anytime. I will not respond in kind, however. Thank you for expressing them on this forum intended for NMGenWeb business. Have a wonderful day. Charles Barnum Angela Lewis wrote: Good morning everyone -- Most of the CC's on this list have been around a lot longer than me, so I'm sure you know what happened before Leon got the position of State Coordinator for NMGenWeb. I came after he was already SC as I was one of his recruits, and that was in mid 1999. Charles, you seem to forget that you ran Leon out of office. True, he wasn't managing the helm at the time but that's because he was recuperating from a quadruple heart bypass in April 2000. While Leon was out, Capt Pat stepped up to the plate and took care of things, and that's when I got really involved as I was taking care of all the queries coming at state level. How strange to read your notes of praise for Leon. In fact, I'm going to send him your particular email because that'll probably give him a chuckle and lift his spirits. And yes, I'm still quite close with Leon and we still keep in touch. Then came the professional election that was held, complete with an election committee of which I was a member. Everything was done on the up and up, open and honest with all members. Susan was the only person who ran for the State Coordinator's position and was elected. You raised all kinds of commotion before, during and after this election for all kinds of reasons, and then you wanted a vote anyway. Gee Charles, with nobody else running that just doesn't make any sense and I really don't care what kind of rule book you pull out of history. Speaking on behalf of many, I'm glad somebody ran for the position!!! Susan did a great job during her tenure and after her term ended, the next professional election was held, and the same thing happened. This time, Karen was the only person who ran for the position. Same results from you. Everybody else in NMGenWeb has always been pleased with the leadership, and the laid back way of doing business. So many of your emails want that, yet in other emails you're demanding rules. Charles, I suggest you read your emails thoroughly before you send them out as you continuously contradict yourself. I had told you once that I would get into the issues, but frankly this time I felt that I needed to. Like I said, I haven't been around as long as many of you, but I've been around long enough to have a memory of your accusations and conduct towards Leon, Susan, and now Karen. I recommend that you either run for office the next time (which you continue to insist that you don't want) or quit giving the incumbents such a hard time. Thanks for listening, Angela NMGenWeb Bernalillo NMGenWeb San Miguel

Angela your memo is 100%. Thanks for sending it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Harold Kilmer, Coordinator for Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Lea, Quay and Roosevelt Counties in the great state of New Mexico. All of these counties are linked to: http://rootsweb.com/~nmcurry/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Lewis" <gen4nm@nmia.com> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: [NMGENWEB] Professional Elections > Good morning everyone -- > > Most of the CC's on this list have been around a lot longer than me, so > I'm sure you know what happened before Leon got the position of State > Coordinator for NMGenWeb. I came after he was already SC as I was one of > his recruits, and that was in mid 1999. Charles, you seem to forget that > you ran Leon out of office. True, he wasn't managing the helm at the time > but that's because he was recuperating from a quadruple heart bypass in > April 2000. While Leon was out, Capt Pat stepped up to the plate and took > care of things, and that's when I got really involved as I was taking care > of all the queries coming at state level. How strange to read your notes > of praise for Leon. In fact, I'm going to send him your particular email > because that'll probably give him a chuckle and lift his spirits. And > yes, I'm still quite close with Leon and we still keep in touch. > > Then came the professional election that was held, complete with an > election committee of which I was a member. Everything was done on the up > and up, open and honest with all members. Susan was the only person who > ran for the State Coordinator's position and was elected. You raised all > kinds of commotion before, during and after this election for all kinds of > reasons, and then you wanted a vote anyway. Gee Charles, with nobody else > running that just doesn't make any sense and I really don't care what kind > of rule book you pull out of history. Speaking on behalf of many, I'm > glad somebody ran for the position!!! > > Susan did a great job during her tenure and after her term ended, the next > professional election was held, and the same thing happened. This time, > Karen was the only person who ran for the position. Same results from > you. > > Everybody else in NMGenWeb has always been pleased with the leadership, > and the laid back way of doing business. So many of your emails want > that, yet in other emails you're demanding rules. Charles, I suggest you > read your emails thoroughly before you send them out as you continuously > contradict yourself. > > I had told you once that I would get into the issues, but frankly this > time I felt that I needed to. Like I said, I haven't been around as long > as many of you, but I've been around long enough to have a memory of your > accusations and conduct towards Leon, Susan, and now Karen. > > I recommend that you either run for office the next time (which you > continue to insist that you don't want) or quit giving the incumbents such > a hard time. > > Thanks for listening, > > Angela > NMGenWeb Bernalillo > NMGenWeb San Miguel > >

Not so Angela, I always respected Leon. When he had his heart attack the bylaws called for an election. I wanted an election according to the bylaws. It's that simple. After he regained his strength he could have run for office again but he choose not to do so. Had he run for office I would have voted for him. You will have to find another villain. I did not cause Leon's heart attack. Clogged arteries from cholesterol buildup cause heart attacks. His decision not to run again was his alone. He was not in the habit of asking anyone for permission. Again, the Bylaws are very clear. When an SC can no longer serve, an election must be held. Those are not my rules, they are the rules of USGenWeb. There is an AB member on this email list, anyone might ask her to explain this. It is not strange that I praise Leon, I have the up most respect for him. We exchanged a number of private emails that you are not aware. He helped me in many ways. As for voting, in my opinion there is no election if there is no vote. It's an American thing. If you do not like to vote, then don't vote, but do not deny me the right to vote. Susan did a great job too, but I objected to the lack of structure in our elections. I object that we were not allowed to vote for the SC. As a CC I have a right to express my concerns about elections. I will continue to do so. This does not mean I am biased toward any particular person. No, I will not run for state office. That is my decision, it is not up to others to decide that. But yes, I will continue to express my concerns. I think it would be appropriate to list Leon Moya's name on the State page with his dates of service since he played an important part in creating NMGenWeb. I hereby formally make that motion now. Feel free to vote against or for this motion. Thanks for your input, Angela. Feel free to launch personal attacks against me anytime. I will not respond in kind, however. Thank you for expressing them on this forum intended for NMGenWeb business. Have a wonderful day. Charles Barnum Angela Lewis <gen4nm@nmia.com> wrote: Good morning everyone -- Most of the CC's on this list have been around a lot longer than me, so I'm sure you know what happened before Leon got the position of State Coordinator for NMGenWeb. I came after he was already SC as I was one of his recruits, and that was in mid 1999. Charles, you seem to forget that you ran Leon out of office. True, he wasn't managing the helm at the time but that's because he was recuperating from a quadruple heart bypass in April 2000. While Leon was out, Capt Pat stepped up to the plate and took care of things, and that's when I got really involved as I was taking care of all the queries coming at state level. How strange to read your notes of praise for Leon. In fact, I'm going to send him your particular email because that'll probably give him a chuckle and lift his spirits. And yes, I'm still quite close with Leon and we still keep in touch. Then came the professional election that was held, complete with an election committee of which I was a member. Everything was done on the up and up, open and honest with all members. Susan was the only person who ran for the State Coordinator's position and was elected. You raised all kinds of commotion before, during and after this election for all kinds of reasons, and then you wanted a vote anyway. Gee Charles, with nobody else running that just doesn't make any sense and I really don't care what kind of rule book you pull out of history. Speaking on behalf of many, I'm glad somebody ran for the position!!! Susan did a great job during her tenure and after her term ended, the next professional election was held, and the same thing happened. This time, Karen was the only person who ran for the position. Same results from you. Everybody else in NMGenWeb has always been pleased with the leadership, and the laid back way of doing business. So many of your emails want that, yet in other emails you're demanding rules. Charles, I suggest you read your emails thoroughly before you send them out as you continuously contradict yourself. I had told you once that I would get into the issues, but frankly this time I felt that I needed to. Like I said, I haven't been around as long as many of you, but I've been around long enough to have a memory of your accusations and conduct towards Leon, Susan, and now Karen. I recommend that you either run for office the next time (which you continue to insist that you don't want) or quit giving the incumbents such a hard time. Thanks for listening, Angela NMGenWeb Bernalillo NMGenWeb San Miguel

Good morning everyone -- Most of the CC's on this list have been around a lot longer than me, so I'm sure you know what happened before Leon got the position of State Coordinator for NMGenWeb. I came after he was already SC as I was one of his recruits, and that was in mid 1999. Charles, you seem to forget that you ran Leon out of office. True, he wasn't managing the helm at the time but that's because he was recuperating from a quadruple heart bypass in April 2000. While Leon was out, Capt Pat stepped up to the plate and took care of things, and that's when I got really involved as I was taking care of all the queries coming at state level. How strange to read your notes of praise for Leon. In fact, I'm going to send him your particular email because that'll probably give him a chuckle and lift his spirits. And yes, I'm still quite close with Leon and we still keep in touch. Then came the professional election that was held, complete with an election committee of which I was a member. Everything was done on the up and up, open and honest with all members. Susan was the only person who ran for the State Coordinator's position and was elected. You raised all kinds of commotion before, during and after this election for all kinds of reasons, and then you wanted a vote anyway. Gee Charles, with nobody else running that just doesn't make any sense and I really don't care what kind of rule book you pull out of history. Speaking on behalf of many, I'm glad somebody ran for the position!!! Susan did a great job during her tenure and after her term ended, the next professional election was held, and the same thing happened. This time, Karen was the only person who ran for the position. Same results from you. Everybody else in NMGenWeb has always been pleased with the leadership, and the laid back way of doing business. So many of your emails want that, yet in other emails you're demanding rules. Charles, I suggest you read your emails thoroughly before you send them out as you continuously contradict yourself. I had told you once that I would get into the issues, but frankly this time I felt that I needed to. Like I said, I haven't been around as long as many of you, but I've been around long enough to have a memory of your accusations and conduct towards Leon, Susan, and now Karen. I recommend that you either run for office the next time (which you continue to insist that you don't want) or quit giving the incumbents such a hard time. Thanks for listening, Angela NMGenWeb Bernalillo NMGenWeb San Miguel

Karen, You mentioned that several pages were missing the NM Logo. Did you mean that each and every page of our web site needs to have the logo or only the main (index) page? As for state guidelines, I'll not mention this subject again unless another CC brings up the topic. However, members should be aware that new Bylaws may be approved in the future that require states to have guidelines for elections and grievances. I would rather do it on our own rather than to be told to do it by the AB. A consensus of NMGenWeb members on guidelines is the most unifying single action I can imagine. On other matters: Here is a quote for Leon Moya that I think is most appropriate (Provided from Pat's incredible email archives.) "So do I have any support to investigate the feasibility of a Smarter NMGenWeb Project?" Those words echo their importance today. How can we have a Smarter NMGenWeb? With the talent pool in this state I know there are many good ideas. News: Lincoln County NMGenWeb has recently added several hundred Tombstone photos.This is not everyone cup of tea because of the work required and the web space it takes. This is very time consuming, but I have found a few tricks that can speed up the process. If anyone is interested in adding Tombstone photos to their cemetery listings, I'd be glad to lend a hand privately. Charles Barnum

Mr. Barnum, Below are your responses to my email: Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the USGenWeb logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing what was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need a web page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of NMGenWeb which will apply from one year to the next. Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: How do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do not ask them on this list? Your tone so far has not been contra-conductive for two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and a member in good standing in USGenWeb, I will continue to make REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members and voice my opinions on this and other forums. Your message to Pat: Leon, a true founder of NMGenWeb believed in a hands-off policy for CCs. He did not require very much of any CC except to follow the National Bylaws. That is all I want. I want fair and uniform elections, term to term, regardless of who is running. NMGenWeb has not had a single professional election that I can recall. Making it up as we go along is just not right. We need a uniforn set of standards. Not restrictions, not marching orders. The logo is a nice piece of art. I like it, but it was never made mandatory. If it is to be mandatory, we need to vote on it, and it needs to be stated in our guidelines. Since I do not keep emails, I'd appreciate having a copy of Leon's message regarding this topic. ***1. Whether the logo represents unity or not is an individual perspective. I think it does. Just my opinion. 2. I do not have any proof that the logo is mandatory or not, I didn't think I needed any beings I have never stated that it IS mandatory. I simply made the comment "Also, I noticed some pages without the official NM logo. I think we all decided when it was made that we would use it on our sites, but if I'm wrong please correct me. There's several pages out there without it. If you are not using it please let me know why so I can make a notation of it on my list." No where in that statement does it say that anything is "mandatory". I have never used that term, although you have. In fact, I only asked for the courtesy of any of the CC's to let me know if they are not using the logo and why so I could note that, and not ask them about it again 6 months from now. There could be numerous reasons why a CC is not using the logo, to numerous to mention here. 3. Mr. Barnum, you are contradicting yourself and quite frankly I'm confused. First you say you want a "guidelines" page with everything written out, and then you say you want a "hands-off" policy. Which is it? Please help me understand this. 4. No, I don't know that the CC's do want a guidelines page, but then I don't know that they don't either. I respect the CC's as adults and feel if they want something changed they will speak up. I assume if they want one, they are going to tell me they do. Right from the beginning I expressed an open door policy, if anyone has any suggestions or comments, to please bring them to my attention. So far no one has said a word about a guidelines page, except you. If the majority of the CC's don't express that desire, I'm certainly not going to force it on them. Matter of fact, I haven't heard ANY complaints from anyone else. 5. As for my "tone", I have tried to answer your questions to the best of my ability. Whatever you are reading into that is up to you. 6. As a member of the project you are welcome to contact the Advisory Board members whenever you feel the need. I'm sure they love to hear from you. As for stating your opinions on this List, as long as it's not disruptive, you're welcome to do that too. All the CC's of NM have that same privilege. No one has said otherwise. 7. I do not know what you consider a "professional election", but I haven't seen any of the NM CC's complain about the way anything has been handled, so I would guess they appreciate not having the rules and regulations you are suggesting. Quite the contrary, it appears everyone is quite satisfied, except you. Your comments about "restrictions and marching orders" also confuse me. When did any of the New Mexico State Coordinators ever do this? I haven't seen any of them place "restrictions" upon the CC's, nor have I seen any of them give "marching orders". I do note that you have praised the preceding two SC's (Leon and Susan), giving them great accolades, even though you opposed them while they held the position, and yet now you say they didn't handle the elections correctly. Please explain this. There must be something I'm missing there and maybe something I could learn from, although I don't think so because in my opinion I think they both did a great job of being our SC. I, as well as many of the CC's, have truly appreciated the way Leon and Susan both stayed focused on the goal of the overall project, which is adding data to our websites for our researchers. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net

Found one from Leon From: Leon Moya Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 01:28:15 To: nmgen-l@usroots.com Explaining why he intituted the no official logo policy. Will forward if anyone want's it. Pat Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Pat Bennett [mailto:mzwhiz@signalpeak.net] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:27 PM To: NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NMGENWEB] New Post After thinking I remembered what Charles was talking about, I dug around and found this statement on an email: "Official Logo??? Leon says no "official" NMGW logo. That's cool. I will always fly Art's original logo anyway." No date on it and I can'tsay who it was from, but I do remember this "policy" coming from Leon. Pat Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Angela Lewis [HYPERLINK "mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com"mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:36 PM To: NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] New Post Charles, I'm just a bit curious with one of your responses in the recent email traffic. You say the logo does not represent unity. What do you mean by that? Are you trying to come up with something else to represent the unity bit? Angela At 03:55 PM 5/19/2006, jcnreno wrote: >Karen Mitchell, >The string below has become to confusing to add another layer of response. >Instead, I'll answer here: > > KAREN said: >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. (end) > Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the >USGenWeb logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. > > Karen said: >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. (end) > Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing >what was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need >a web page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of >NMGenWeb which will apply from one year to the next. > > Karen said: >***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. >But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think >I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. >The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help >for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (end) > Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: >How do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do >not ask them on this list? Your tone so far has not been >contra-conductive for two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and >a member in good standing in USGenWeb, I will continue to make >REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members and voice my opinions on this and >other forums. > Lastly, welcome to the new CC. > Charles Barnum > > Please see *** below. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcnreno" <jcnreno@sbcglobal.net> >To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >Karen and All, > The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to >be displayed, however. >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. > That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that >the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the >CCs to display or not. >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. > Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on >the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can >never know for sure what is policy and what is not. >*** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always >done? > I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically >covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, >voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said >requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs.***When you >become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless >I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. >We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The >New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer >help for researchers. I see > no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that > is my decision.) > Charles Barnum > > Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: > Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do >appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the >intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the >project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design >our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have >been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just >shows unity of the members in the NM project. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Bellomo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be >included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it >because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. > The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but >it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus >the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. > Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on >the home pages of the counties I host. > Susan > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Patricia, Whatever misunderstanding I have had with members, I can say that you have been one of the most astute members of NMGenWeb. Leon, a true founder of NMGenWeb believed in a hands-off policy for CCs. He did not require very much of any CC except to follow the National Bylaws. That is all I want. I want fair and uniform elections, term to term, regardless of who is running. NMGenWeb has not had a single professional election that I can recall. Making it up as we go along is just not right. We need a uniforn set of standards. Not restrictions, not marching orders. The logo is a nice piece of art. I like it, but it was never made mandatory. If it is to be mandatory, we need to vote on it, and it needs to be stated in our guidelines. Since I do not keep emails, I'd appreciate having a copy of Leon's message regarding this topic. Charles Patricia Bennett <mzwhiz@signalpeak.net> wrote: Found one from Leon From: Leon Moya Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 01:28:15 To: nmgen-l@usroots.com Explaining why he intituted the no official logo policy. Will forward if anyone want's it. Pat Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Pat Bennett [mailto:mzwhiz@signalpeak.net] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:27 PM To: NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NMGENWEB] New Post After thinking I remembered what Charles was talking about, I dug around and found this statement on an email: "Official Logo??? Leon says no "official" NMGW logo. That's cool. I will always fly Art's original logo anyway." No date on it and I can'tsay who it was from, but I do remember this "policy" coming from Leon. Pat Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Angela Lewis [HYPERLINK "mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com"mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:36 PM To: NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] New Post Charles, I'm just a bit curious with one of your responses in the recent email traffic. You say the logo does not represent unity. What do you mean by that? Are you trying to come up with something else to represent the unity bit? Angela At 03:55 PM 5/19/2006, jcnreno wrote: >Karen Mitchell, >The string below has become to confusing to add another layer of response. >Instead, I'll answer here: > > KAREN said: >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. (end) > Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the >USGenWeb logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. > > Karen said: >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. (end) > Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing >what was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need >a web page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of >NMGenWeb which will apply from one year to the next. > > Karen said: >***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. >But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think >I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. >The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help >for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (end) > Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: >How do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do >not ask them on this list? Your tone so far has not been >contra-conductive for two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and >a member in good standing in USGenWeb, I will continue to make >REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members and voice my opinions on this and >other forums. > Lastly, welcome to the new CC. > Charles Barnum > > Please see *** below. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcnreno" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >Karen and All, > The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to >be displayed, however. >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. > That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that >the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the >CCs to display or not. >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. > Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on >the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can >never know for sure what is policy and what is not. >*** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always >done? > I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically >covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, >voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said >requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs.***When you >become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless >I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. >We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The >New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer >help for researchers. I see > no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that > is my decision.) > Charles Barnum > > Karen Mitchell wrote: > Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do >appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the >intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the >project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design >our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have >been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just >shows unity of the members in the NM project. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Bellomo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be >included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it >because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. > The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but >it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus >the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. > Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on >the home pages of the counties I host. > Susan > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/343 - Release Date: 5/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/343 - Release Date: 5/18/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/343 - Release Date: 5/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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After thinking I remembered what Charles was talking about, I dug around and found this statement on an email: "Official Logo??? Leon says no "official" NMGW logo. That's cool. I will always fly Art's original logo anyway." No date on it and I can'tsay who it was from, but I do remember this "policy" coming from Leon. Pat Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Angela Lewis [HYPERLINK "mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com"mailto:gen4nm@nmia.com] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:36 PM To: NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] New Post Charles, I'm just a bit curious with one of your responses in the recent email traffic. You say the logo does not represent unity. What do you mean by that? Are you trying to come up with something else to represent the unity bit? Angela At 03:55 PM 5/19/2006, jcnreno wrote: >Karen Mitchell, >The string below has become to confusing to add another layer of response. >Instead, I'll answer here: > > KAREN said: >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. (end) > Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the >USGenWeb logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. > > Karen said: >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. (end) > Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing >what was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need >a web page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of >NMGenWeb which will apply from one year to the next. > > Karen said: >***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. >But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think >I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. >The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help >for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (end) > Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: >How do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do >not ask them on this list? Your tone so far has not been >contra-conductive for two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and >a member in good standing in USGenWeb, I will continue to make >REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members and voice my opinions on this and other forums. > Lastly, welcome to the new CC. > Charles Barnum > > Please see *** below. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcnreno" <jcnreno@sbcglobal.net> >To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >Karen and All, > The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to >be displayed, however. >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. > That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that >the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the >CCs to display or not. >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with >us because that's not how I remember it at all. > Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on >the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can >never know for sure what is policy and what is not. >*** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always >done? > I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically >covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, >voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said >requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs.***When you >become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless >I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. >We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The >New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help for researchers. I see > no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that > is my decision.) > Charles Barnum > > Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: > Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do >appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the >intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the >project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design >our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have >been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just >shows unity of the members in the NM project. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Bellomo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be >included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it >because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. > The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but >it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus >the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. > Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on >the home pages of the counties I host. > Susan > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Welcome, Myles. Your web page is handsome.I have no web page and don't know how to make one. I just attempt, with little success, to take care of Dona Ana County. Elsa Altshool

Charles, I'm just a bit curious with one of your responses in the recent email traffic. You say the logo does not represent unity. What do you mean by that? Are you trying to come up with something else to represent the unity bit? Angela At 03:55 PM 5/19/2006, jcnreno wrote: >Karen Mitchell, >The string below has become to confusing to add another layer of response. >Instead, I'll answer here: > > KAREN said: >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the NM >project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. (end) > Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the USGenWeb > logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. > > Karen said: >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the conversations >so that you can present them? If so, please share it with us because >that's not how I remember it at all. (end) > Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing what > was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need a web > page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of NMGenWeb which > will apply from one year to the next. > > Karen said: >***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. >But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I >will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. >The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of >written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help >for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (end) > Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: How > do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do not ask > them on this list? Your tone so far has not been contra-conductive for > two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and a member in good standing > in USGenWeb, I will continue to make REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members > and voice my opinions on this and other forums. > Lastly, welcome to the new CC. > Charles Barnum > > Please see *** below. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcnreno" <jcnreno@sbcglobal.net> >To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >Karen and All, > The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to be >displayed, however. >***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one >needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the >NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. > That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that >the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the CCs >to display or not. >***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the >conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with us >because >that's not how I remember it at all. > Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on the >state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can never know >for sure what is policy and what is not. >*** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always >done? > I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically > covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, voting, > logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said requirements be > approved by majority vote of the CCs.***When you become State > Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless I have the > majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. We have always > been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The New Mexico CC's > are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of written rules and laws > in order to build great web sites and offer help for researchers. I see > no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that > is my decision.) > Charles Barnum > > Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: > Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do appreciate >it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the intent that it would >be included on the web pages that are part of the project, that's why it >says "Official". Many times some of us re-design our pages simply because we >want something new, and the logo may have been missed in the re-design. I >don't think it's an issue, it just shows unity of the members in the NM >project. >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Bellomo" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM >Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct > >It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be included >on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it because >supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. > The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but it >is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus the >red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. > Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on the >home pages of the counties I host. > Susan >

Welcome Myles! Very nice job on the web site. I really love it! You'll find the majority of us are fairly laid back, with a love for helping people. Angela NMGenWeb Bernalillo County NMGenWeb San Miguel County At 01:14 PM 5/19/2006, Karen Mitchell wrote: >Hi Everyone! >Please welcome our new County Coordinator for Santa Fe County, J. Myles >Felihkatubbe. He has done a beautiful job on the Santa Fe page and hopes >to be able to take over Mora also. Please go take a look at his page: >http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enmsantaf/ > >Welcome Myles! >Karen Mitchell >New Mexico State Coordinator >km1109@ghvalley.net

Welcome, Myles! I'm glad you are here! Susan Susan Stockbridge Bellomo susanbellomo at yahoo dot com NMGenWeb County Coordinator: Chaves, Otero Co-Coordinator (Webmaster): San Miguel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Mitchell" <km1109@ghvalley.net> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [NMGENWEB] New County Coordinator Hi Everyone! Please welcome our new County Coordinator for Santa Fe County, J. Myles Felihkatubbe. He has done a beautiful job on the Santa Fe page and hopes to be able to take over Mora also. Please go take a look at his page: http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enmsantaf/ Welcome Myles! Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net

Karen Mitchell, The string below has become to confusing to add another layer of response. Instead, I'll answer here: KAREN said: ***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. (end) Answer: The logo identifies the NMGenWeb project just as the USGenWeb logos identify USGenWeb. It does not represent unity. Karen said: ***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with us because that's not how I remember it at all. (end) Answer: I have no written proof. Do you? The failure of knowing what was said one year ago or ten years ago is the very reason we need a web page of guidelines approved by the County Coordinators of NMGenWeb which will apply from one year to the next. Karen said: ***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (end) Answer: First: I have no desire to be the SC of NMGenWeb. Secondly: How do you know if the CCs do not want written guidelines if you do not ask them on this list? Your tone so far has not been contra-conductive for two-way communication. As a CC of NMGenWeb and a member in good standing in USGenWeb, I will continue to make REQUESTS to Advisory Board Members and voice my opinions on this and other forums. Lastly, welcome to the new CC. Charles Barnum Please see *** below. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcnreno" <jcnreno@sbcglobal.net> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct Karen and All, The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to be displayed, however. ***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the CCs to display or not. ***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with us because that's not how I remember it at all. Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can never know for sure what is policy and what is not. *** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always done? I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs.***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that is my decision.) Charles Barnum Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just shows unity of the members in the NM project. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bellomo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on the home pages of the counties I host. Susan

Welcome to the New Mexico Wild bunch Myles. Your Santa Fe site looks good. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Harold Kilmer, Coordinator for Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Lea, Quay and Roosevelt Counties in the great state of New Mexico. All of these counties are linked to: http://rootsweb.com/~nmcurry/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Mitchell" <km1109@ghvalley.net> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [NMGENWEB] New County Coordinator > Hi Everyone! > Please welcome our new County Coordinator for Santa Fe County, J. Myles > Felihkatubbe. He has done a beautiful job on the Santa Fe page and hopes > to be able to take over Mora also. Please go take a look at his page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enmsantaf/ > > Welcome Myles! > Karen Mitchell > New Mexico State Coordinator > km1109@ghvalley.net > >

Hi Everyone! Please welcome our new County Coordinator for Santa Fe County, J. Myles Felihkatubbe. He has done a beautiful job on the Santa Fe page and hopes to be able to take over Mora also. Please go take a look at his page: http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enmsantaf/ Welcome Myles! Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net

Please see *** below. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcnreno" <jcnreno@sbcglobal.net> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct Karen and All, The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to be displayed, however. ***Then I fail to see the point of having an "Official" logo, if no one needs to use it. As I said, it represents the unity of the CC's in the NM project, and personally, I like that, I have no problem with it at all. That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the CCs to display or not. ***Do you have some written proof of this? Did you save the conversations so that you can present them? If so, please share it with us because that's not how I remember it at all. Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can never know for sure what is policy and what is not. *** How about if we just "discuss" what we'd like, like we've always done? I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs. ***When you become State Coordinator, I'm sure you will implement this. But unless I have the majority of CC's ask me to do this, I don't think I will. We have always been low key and I did pledge to keep it that way. The New Mexico CC's are very unique in that they don't need a bunch of written rules and laws in order to build great web sites and offer help for researchers. I see no reason to change that. (I have always displayed the logo, but that is my decision.) Charles Barnum Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just shows unity of the members in the NM project. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bellomo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on the home pages of the counties I host. Susan

Karen and All, The logo was approved as the official logo. It was not required to be displayed, however. That subject was specifically discussed by Mr. Moya at the time that the logo colors might clash with some web page colors. It was up to the CCs to display or not. Since NMGenWeb does not have a County Coordinators guide page on the state web site like most of the other states of USGenWeb, we can never know for sure what is policy and what is not. I request that NMGenWeb establish a CC's page that specifically covers these subjects including the proper conduct of elections, voting, logos, updating web sites, and so on and that said requirements be approved by majority vote of the CCs. (I have always displayed the logo, but that is my decision.) Charles Barnum Karen Mitchell <km1109@ghvalley.net> wrote: Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just shows unity of the members in the NM project. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bellomo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on the home pages of the counties I host. Susan

Thank you Susan for your comments and for your support. I do appreciate it. At the time the logo was designed, it was with the intent that it would be included on the web pages that are part of the project, that's why it says "Official". Many times some of us re-design our pages simply because we want something new, and the logo may have been missed in the re-design. I don't think it's an issue, it just shows unity of the members in the NM project. Karen Mitchell New Mexico State Coordinator km1109@ghvalley.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bellomo" <susanbellomo@yahoo.com> To: <NMGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [NMGENWEB] please correct It was my understanding that the NMGenWeb logo was expected to be included on the home page of our Web sites. No one made an issue of it because supporting free genealogy resources on the Web seemed more important. The USGenWeb logo is required. The NMGenWeb logo is beautiful, but it is difficult to find any kind of color scheme to accommode it plus the red/white/blue USGenWebLogo in terms of design. Whatever Karen decides works for me. BTW, I do have both logos on the home pages of the counties I host. Susan