Dear Marilyn, Thank you for your offer (below). I continue to search for my maternal ancestors, most specifically Harmon Shipman and his line. Alternate spellings include SCHUPPMANN, SHUBMANThus far I have the following in my notes: Herman Schuppmann made his initial appearance on the Hunter Lists (New York Palatine Subsistence Lists of Governor Robert Hunter) on 1 July 1710 with 6 persons over 10 years of age and 2 persons under 10 years of age. Based on the indicated ages of the children it is possible that one of the male children could have been the father of Harmon Shipman. In "The Palatine Families of New York" by Henry Z. Jones, Jr., 1985, pages 941-943, the author lists probable issue to include: Nicholaus, Catharina, Friederich and Jacob. He also states that Harmon Shipman could have been a part of this family. Considering the subsequent repeat of such names as Nicholaus and Jacob in Harmon's children, it must be considered that Herman Schupman could have been the father or an uncle of our Harmon Shipman. In "The Early Germans of New Jersey", T. F. Chambers, page 493, listed under Shipman: "Jacob Shubman (Shipman), on Society Lands, 1735, signed with Matthias, the subscription for a barn, 1751; married Mareiket (Mary Catherine); had Mareitje, b 14 Jan 1734, and prob. also Harmon; prob of German descent and no relation to Matthias." Based on the foregoing, this Jacob Shubman would have been born about 1719. It is more probable that he was a brother of Harmon Shipman. Additional references include: "The Janeway Account Books 1735 - 1746" by Ken Stryker-Rodda in The Genealogical Magazine of NJ, Vol 33, No. 1 / 2, Jan / Apr 1958. New York City Reform Church book, "Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of NY City 1639 - 1800. Thank you for any possible assist, John Shipman Hendricks in Vero Beach, Fl 32968 Ysearch User ID: P5QP9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books >I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom and >found the Janeway account records. > If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I > will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide > alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written.