Often a surname was given as a first name. So perhaps you two are not so far off as you think. It's worth investigation. love and hugs and God bless, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <njwarren-request@rootsweb.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Martinus Fries (Louis Creveling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:12:23 -0400 > From: "Louis Creveling" <creve@pinehurst.net> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001a01c6f858$bd8490f0$03aca941@testpc011> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Judy, > > The family name is Martinius, not the given name. > > Louis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Louis, >> I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide >> will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Judi, TN >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> Dear Marilyn, >> >> I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you >> desire I >> can send the info to you. >> >> Louis G Creveling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Souders" >> <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original >> documents >> > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then >> piece >> > it >> > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many >> > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one >> Martinus >> > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things >> > like >> > that. >> > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public >> > Library >> > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that >> > area, >> > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last >> time >> > I >> > checked. >> > Marilyn >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> > >> > >> >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus >> is >> >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived >> here >> >> at >> >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> >> Martinus >> >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a >> son >> >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> >> >> Judi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Marilyn >> Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> >> To: >> njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse >> me >> >> if >> >> this has been pointed out previously. >> >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and >> "senior" >> >> who >> >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> >> Harmony >> >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> >> apparently >> >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> >> realized >> >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a >> maternal >> >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> >> helped >> >> to >> >> keep them straight. >> >> Marilyn >> >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City >> and >> >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there >> once >> >> in >> >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >> >> To: >> <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> >> >> >> > Judi, >> >> > >> >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and >> son. >> >> I >> >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> >> > >> >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> >> Fries, >> >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> >> Martinus >> >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> >> > >> >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms >> were >> >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the >> name >> >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated >> or >> >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for >> the >> >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make >> me >> >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he >> kept >> >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> >> > >> >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus >> Fries. >> >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> >> baby's >> >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, >> for >> >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> >> named >> >> > Martinus Fries! >> >> > >> >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's >> helped...sorry! >> >> > >> >> > Jan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> From: >> oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> >> >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. >> There >> >> are >> >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there >> is >> >> one >> >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, >> Jannetge >> >> and >> >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with >> these >> >> names >> >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for >> the >> >> other. >> >> >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with >> >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> >> the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NJWARREN list administrator, send an email to > NJWARREN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NJWARREN mailing list, send an email to > NJWARREN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > ***************************************