I have several that way. No Martinous however. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@peoplepc.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > Often a surname was given as a first name. So perhaps you two are not so > far off as you think. It's worth investigation. > love and hugs and God bless, > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <njwarren-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:00 AM > Subject: NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Martinus Fries (Louis Creveling) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:12:23 -0400 >> From: "Louis Creveling" <creve@pinehurst.net> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001a01c6f858$bd8490f0$03aca941@testpc011> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Dear Judy, >> >> The family name is Martinius, not the given name. >> >> Louis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >>> Louis, >>> I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can >>> provide >>> will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Judi, TN >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> >>> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >>> >>> Dear Marilyn, >>> >>> I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you >>> desire I >>> can send the info to you. >>> >>> Louis G Creveling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilyn Souders" >>> <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >>> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >>> >>> > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original >>> documents >>> > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then >>> piece >>> > it >>> > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many >>> > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one >>> Martinus >>> > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? >>> Things >>> > like >>> > that. >>> > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public >>> > Library >>> > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that >>> > area, >>> > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last >>> time >>> > I >>> > checked. >>> > Marilyn >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >>> >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites >>> Martinus >>> is >>> >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived >>> here >>> >> at >>> >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >>> >> Martinus >>> >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a >>> son >>> >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >>> >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >>> >> >>> >> Judi >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: Marilyn >>> Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >>> >> To: >>> njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so >>> excuse >>> me >>> >> if >>> >> this has been pointed out previously. >>> >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and >>> "senior" >>> >> who >>> >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >>> >> Harmony >>> >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >>> >> apparently >>> >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >>> >> realized >>> >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a >>> maternal >>> >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >>> >> helped >>> >> to >>> >> keep them straight. >>> >> Marilyn >>> >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake >>> City >>> and >>> >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there >>> once >>> >> in >>> >> your lifetime. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: >>> <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >>> >> To: >>> <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Judi, >>> >> > >>> >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and >>> son. >>> >> I >>> >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna >>> and >>> >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >>> >> > >>> >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >>> >> Fries, >>> >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >>> >> Martinus >>> >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >>> >> > >>> >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms >>> were >>> >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the >>> name >>> >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes >>> a >>> >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated >>> or >>> >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for >>> the >>> >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms >>> make >>> me >>> >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he >>> kept >>> >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >>> >> > >>> >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus >>> Fries. >>> >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >>> >> baby's >>> >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, >>> for >>> >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >>> >> named >>> >> > Martinus Fries! >>> >> > >>> >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's >>> helped...sorry! >>> >> > >>> >> > Jan >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >>> >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >> From: >>> oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >>> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >>> >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >>> >> >>> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. >>> There >>> >> are >>> >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >>> >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there >>> is >>> >> one >>> >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, >>> Jannetge >>> >> and >>> >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with >>> these >>> >> names >>> >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for >>> the >>> >> other. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Judi, TN >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> >> >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ------------------------------- >>> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> > >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> with >>> >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> >> the message >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NJWARREN list administrator, send an email to >> NJWARREN-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NJWARREN mailing list, send an email to >> NJWARREN@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 >> *************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message