Dear Marilyn, I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you desire I can send the info to you. Louis G Creveling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then piece > it > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one Martinus > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > like > that. > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > Library > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > area, > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last time > I > checked. > Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here >> at >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> Martinus >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> Judi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me >> if >> this has been pointed out previously. >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" >> who >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> Harmony >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> apparently >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> realized >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> helped >> to >> keep them straight. >> Marilyn >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once >> in >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > Judi, >> > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. >> I >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> Fries, >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> Martinus >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> baby's >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> named >> > Martinus Fries! >> > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! >> > >> > Jan >> > >> > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There >> are >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is >> one >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge >> and >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these >> names >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the >> other. >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Louis, I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Judi, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries Dear Marilyn, I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you desire I can send the info to you. Louis G Creveling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then piece > it > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one Martinus > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > like > that. > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > Library > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > area, > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last time > I > checked. > Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here >> at >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> Martinus >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> Judi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me >> if >> this has been pointed out previously. >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" >> who >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> Harmony >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> apparently >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> realized >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> helped >> to >> keep them straight. >> Marilyn >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once >> in >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > Judi, >> > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. >> I >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> Fries, >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> Martinus >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> baby's >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> named >> > Martinus Fries! >> > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! >> > >> > Jan >> > >> > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There >> are >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is >> one >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge >> and >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these >> names >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the >> other. >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Judy, The family name is Martinius, not the given name. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > Louis, > I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide > will be greatly appreciated. > > Judi, TN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > Dear Marilyn, > > I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you > desire I > can send the info to you. > > Louis G Creveling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then > piece > > it > > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one > Martinus > > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > > like > > that. > > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > > Library > > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > > area, > > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last > time > > I > > checked. > > Marilyn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too > >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus > is > >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived > here > >> at > >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of > >> Martinus > >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a > son > >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and > >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? > >> > >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. > >> > >> Judi > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Marilyn > Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> > >> To: > njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> > >> > >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse > me > >> if > >> this has been pointed out previously. > >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and > "senior" > >> who > >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in > >> Harmony > >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one > >> apparently > >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I > >> realized > >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a > maternal > >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" > >> helped > >> to > >> keep them straight. > >> Marilyn > >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City > and > >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there > once > >> in > >> your lifetime. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> > >> To: > <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> > >> > >> > Judi, > >> > > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and > son. > >> I > >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and > >> > Janetze) were all the same person. > >> > > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna > >> Fries, > >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: > >> Martinus > >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. > >> > > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms > were > >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the > name > >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a > >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated > or > >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for > the > >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make > me > >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he > kept > >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. > >> > > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus > Fries. > >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the > >> baby's > >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for > >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be > >> named > >> > Martinus Fries! > >> > > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's > helped...sorry! > >> > > >> > Jan > >> > > >> > > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> >> From: > oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am > >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" > >> > <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> > >> >> > >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. > There > >> are > >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna > >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there > is > >> one > >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge > >> and > >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with > these > >> names > >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the > >> other. > >> >> > >> >> Judi, TN > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > with > >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > >> the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message