The following obit may interest someone. There is also an associated picture. If anyone would like an image of the obit with the picture let me know. From the Sullivan County Democrat, Callicoon, New York dated February 7, 2006: Edythe Johnson, 102 Ret. Schoolteacher Edythe Johnson of Callicoon, a retired schoolteacher and longtime area resident, died Monday, February 6, 2006 in Callicoon. She was 102 years of age. The daughter of Jesse and Mae Maring Rice, she was born September 6, 1903 in Blairstown, N.J. She was the widow of Merritt Johnson. She was a member of the United Methodist Church of Callicoon. She is survived by a daughter, Joan Johnson of Callicoon. Graveside services will be held at 10 a.m. Thursday at the Hortonville Cemetery with Pastor Peg VanSiclen officiating. A memorial service will be held at a later date to be announced. Memorial contributions may be made to the Callicoon United Methodist Church, P.O. Box 235, Callicoon, NY 12723; the Upper Delaware Ambulance Corps, P.O. Box 238, Hankins, NY 12741; Callicoon Fire Department, P.O. Box 806, Callicoon, NY 12723; or to the Grover M. Hermann Auxiliary, Catskill Regional Medical Center - Callicoon Division, 8881 Route 97, Callicoon, NY 12723. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net

Here in California a similar law passed to make it more difficult to get vital records. They didn't absolutely close the records, they just narrowed the field of players who can get them, but not all that much. What they came up with regarding certified copies is that now you have to have a signed statement notarized by a notary saying what your relationship is to the individual named in the record - the paragraph is now printed on the applications. You have to be the person named, an immediate family member, an attorney or law enforcement. The certified copy can be used for identification purposes - for example, to get a passport or social security card. Anything that requires an authentic copy. If you are none of these individuals, you can only get a non-certified version, one that says "For genealogical purposes only" or some words to that effect which you can get without a notarized statement. It just won't be a certified copy. Not that us researchers really care whether it is notarized or not! Most organizations that want such documents don't particularly care if it is certified (most accept photocopies anyway) or not as they are only interested in the family names to prove lineage - not the cause of death and the other stuff you and I might be interested in for family research in the case of deaths, for births and marriages not much is blanked out anyway. On the death, the words described above usually cut into the cause of death to make it difficult to read and that's about all anyway. I think in some states, like Florida, if it is a non-certified death, the cause of death is redacted on a non-certified copy. So, what you need to do is get a copy of the proposed legislation from your state representative or congress person and READ it to see what exactly it is that is being proposed. Then report back to the various lists where you posted your original message about the proposed changes what the bill actually says and we can then either discuss what the bill has to say, or send you suggestions on what we think the bill should or should not contain and why. Here in California I discovered that legislation has to go through several readings and referrals back to specific committees before it ever gets to the Governor's desk in a final form. Therefore, a letter-writing campaign might be in order once the true contents of the bill as it is being proposed needs to be brought forth. The letters should not be form letters as most congress people, in my opinion, tend to ignore those types of letters, but if personal letters are written that point out specifics about a bill that is bothersome and some valid suggestions on how it should be reworded or suggesting it be killed as proposed, they will more than likely take these types of letters into consideration when making changes or amendments to the proposed bill before it gets into final form and approved by both houses. You need to find out which house initiated the proposed legislation and start your letter-writing campaign with those congress people on that particular side of congress. Once the legislation gets passed in the one house it is sent to the other house and it goes through the same steps all over again. You now have a second opportunity write letters, this time to members of congress of the other house to try and influence their decisions. If that house makes changes, then it is referred back to the original house for approval. If both houses then approve the final version of the legislation it is then voted on and sent to the governor for signature. If you still don't like the legislation as it is proposed you have a very limited time in which to write to the governor to get him to not sign it into law as the governor has a set number of days to sign the bill into law, pocket the bill which might result in it become law without his signature or outright vetoing the proposed legislation. This is of the essence here. In California, there had been some legislation proposed prior to the one that was finally passed. That original legislation proposed a closure of the records for 100 years. There was so much flack from the genealogical community about that proposal that the bill was sent to committee and died. It was the second proposal (described above without the 100 year limitation) that relaxed the rules that had been proposed that didn't quite upset the applecart in the genealogical community. We can live with the rules for getting B-M-D these days, though they can be rather aggravating to say the least, but we aren't shut out from getting the records, it just takes some legwork and sometimes some unnecessary expenses (notary fees) on top of the fees we pay to get the darn certs. Some of the letter writing should also come from the different genealogical societies besides the DAR and GAR - each of the societies in NJ should contact their membership and get them to initiate letters, the professional genealogists who obtain records for clients should initiate letters, you and I as genealogists and family historians should write letters. Whether or not people who reside outside the state of NJ should write and try and influence the legislatures might be in order, but how effective they would be is questionable in my mind as we are not their constituents and they don't have to pay attention to us out-of-staters, but it is always worth a try to get outsiders into the picture. I know a out-of-stater letter writing campaign did play a role, but probably really had no influence on what ultimately happened to the Burton Library in Detroit, Michigan when there was some wheeling and dealing behind the scenes, but changes were made when a fairly prominent individual got wind of problems and basically pulled the plug on the scheme and the scandal resulted in the stepping down of the individual in question and some changes were made. He got on the Roots List and got people actively involved. He took it upon himself to seek information through the Freedom of Information Act and kept us all informed and walked us through the process as it progressed. He got us actively writing letters and also letters to the editor campaign in the local newspaper there in Detroit. If you want people to become actively involved, one person needs to take on the responsibility of following the legislation as it moves through the various processes and report on it. Someone in NJ needs to be at the forefront on this. This first initiation was good, but it needs to be continued. The ball can't be dropped now. Following the legislation as it progresses, and reporting to us needs to be on a continuous basis so that we are kept informed of what our next step in the process is to be. I hope these suggestions will help. I live in California, as you can pretty well surmise, so I am not the one to be involved at the local level. Christie Trapp

Jenifer, Besides a relative, if one doesn't turn up, I would suggest the Marx Room of the Easton, PA library. Following that the Warren County Library at Belvidere or the Warren County Historical Society in Belvidere. Somewhat futher away is the Local History Room of the Morristown and Morris Twp. Public Library in Morristown, NJ. All of these places would value your book highly. Perhaps the Marx Room would be the best place of all. Bob -- "Harry Spade" <hjspade@prodigy.net> wrote: Hi Everyone, I have a mystery to solve. I grew up in Harmony, Warren Co., NJ and currently live in Lancaster Co., PA. My father had a dump that we would "treasure hunt" in when I was young, and I have a Webster's Dictionary dated 1854. In the front it says: Chan (or Chas) Johnston, Private Capt., Reading & Compton, New Jersey Militia, November 1812, No. 40219 Bounty Land 120 Acres In the back of the book is listed the Johnston family like you would see in a Bible with births in one column and deaths in the column next to it. It starts out with Samuel Johnston, b. 1747 d. Feb. 7, 1830 in Hunterdon Co., NJ Jeanette Campbell b. 1753, d. Sept.21, 1840 in Hunterdon Co, NJ It lists their children (here are some that I am listing without all of the dates, etc.): William C. Joseph Lewis Jeanette Martha W. William C. (died on island of Jamaica) Edward C.(died in Illinois Samuel A. (died in Cook Co., Illinois) Elizabeth Charles P. It then lists the family of Charles P. b. May 20 1793 d. June 22, 1874 his wife: Frances Golden b. 1794 Their children (I am listing without dates, etc) Margaret K. Hiram C. Theodore There are a few more, but is this anyone's line? Does Hunterdon Co. have a website like this one? I want to find a relative or a place where I can take this wonderful piece of history. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. My NJ line is Shandor, Stecker, Amey, DeWitt, Raub, Van Tassel, Ehasz, Carpenter, and some more! Jennifer Shandor Spade ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Everyone, I have a mystery to solve. I grew up in Harmony, Warren Co., NJ and currently live in Lancaster Co., PA. My father had a dump that we would "treasure hunt" in when I was young, and I have a Webster's Dictionary dated 1854. In the front it says: Chan (or Chas) Johnston, Private Capt., Reading & Compton, New Jersey Militia, November 1812, No. 40219 Bounty Land 120 Acres In the back of the book is listed the Johnston family like you would see in a Bible with births in one column and deaths in the column next to it. It starts out with Samuel Johnston, b. 1747 d. Feb. 7, 1830 in Hunterdon Co., NJ Jeanette Campbell b. 1753, d. Sept.21, 1840 in Hunterdon Co, NJ It lists their children (here are some that I am listing without all of the dates, etc.): William C. Joseph Lewis Jeanette Martha W. William C. (died on island of Jamaica) Edward C.(died in Illinois Samuel A. (died in Cook Co., Illinois) Elizabeth Charles P. It then lists the family of Charles P. b. May 20 1793 d. June 22, 1874 his wife: Frances Golden b. 1794 Their children (I am listing without dates, etc) Margaret K. Hiram C. Theodore There are a few more, but is this anyone's line? Does Hunterdon Co. have a website like this one? I want to find a relative or a place where I can take this wonderful piece of history. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. My NJ line is Shandor, Stecker, Amey, DeWitt, Raub, Van Tassel, Ehasz, Carpenter, and some more! Jennifer Shandor Spade

Hello All In light of recent discussions on this list regarding NJ Vital Records access, I thought that you should have more information on the serious piece of pending legislation that would remove virtually all Vital Records from the realm of Public Records, Assembly Bill 1390. In addition to making the records non-public, the bill would further restrict who would be allowed to obtain copies and would allow only "viewing" of the records to others. The bill also would make it against the law to "transfer, sell, share, reproduce or otherwise disclose the information to another party." There would be penalties for disclosing the information that could be serious fines or even jail time. I don't know how anyone can write a history book, article, or anything else if you can't share the information, or provide a documented source for the information. The proposed bill, Assembly Bill 1390, is a product of the Homeland Security and State Preparedness Committee. You can see the proposed language at http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1390_I1.PDF. You can also get there from the Genealogical Society of New Jersey's website www.gsnj.org by going to the page for Legislative Alerts (the direct page link is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html.) This bill may be heard by the Assembly as early as March 2. I urge you to make contact with the sponsors of the bill via fax or email as soon as possible to ask them to amend the bill. There is a summary sheet on the GSNJ website that gives more information on the bill and proposed amended language. There are also sample letters for use by individuals and by societies and organizations. See the Legislative Alerts page on the GSNJ website I would welcome any comments or assistance that can be offered to help us get the bill changed before it is too late! My email address is: mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net Thank you very much. Sincerely, Joan M. Lowry, President Genealogical Society of New Jersey www.gsnj.org

Hello, Looking for the family of Sarah Thorp, m. Jacob D. Gale, 1845 Warren Co. NJ. Moved to/remained in Genoa Livingston Co. Mi. Thanks, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <mleveque@tcsn.net> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] Walling, Thomas and Rachael in Phillipsburgh in 1860 > Hello Warren County researchers, > > Does anyone know anymore about this family in the 1860 Census? > > Here is 1860 Census: > > 1860 census Phillipsburgh Twp, Warren Co., NJ > house 223 family 233 > > Walling Thomas 24 m Boatman 75 100 England > Rachael 23 f PA > Mary 5 NJ > Elizabeth 2 NJ > > Thanks for any help. > > Marilyn in CA > > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

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Hello Warren County researchers, Does anyone know anymore about this family in the 1860 Census? Here is 1860 Census: 1860 census Phillipsburgh Twp, Warren Co., NJ house 223 family 233 Walling Thomas 24 m Boatman 75 100 England Rachael 23 f PA Mary 5 NJ Elizabeth 2 NJ Thanks for any help. Marilyn in CA

Hi, folks... As so often happens, I was searching for something else, but stumbled on a few marriages. These marriages probably took place in Albany, NJ and/or Patterson, NJ. Some of the surnames sounded awfully familiar to me, so I thought I'd write them down and share. I was working from a very old, handwritten book, and there was no way the archivist would allow me to copy them... From: Eaton, Sylvester, 1790-1844. Notes kept by Rev. Eaton of baptisms, marriages, and deaths, 1827-1842, mainly in Buffalo, but also in Paterson, N.J. and Poughkeepsie, N.Y. Death listings sometimes include reason for death. The volume also serves as an account book, 1823-1843, and includes marriage fees charge by Rev. Eaton. Served at Norwalk, Conn. for 7 years, then at Albany, N.Y. until Feb. 1829, when he was called to the pastorate of the First Presbyterian Church, Buffalo, N.Y. He served at Buffalo until Mar. 1834, when he accepted a call to Paterson, N.J. He remained in Paterson until 1837, and then served four years at a church in Poughkeepsie, N.Y. He died in Troy, N.Y. on 14 May 1844. July 14, 1829 - maried Jacob Foreman and Liah Wooliver both of Bertie Township, Canada. February 3, 1838 - married John H. Kortright to Julia Depuy, both o Rochester, Ulster County, NY. December 19, 1840 - Married at Mattawan, Nathaniel Voluntine of Peekskill to Harriet Freedenburgh of Matteawan. December 8,1841 - Married Chauncey Green to Phebe Vandewater, both of Fishkill. Jan Reuther http://www.RAUB-and-more.com

In a message dated 2/1/2006 4:00:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, NJWARREN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: FIRST GRANDCHILD Jan: Congratulations! Went to your website - thought maybe a picture of the baby would be posted, but guess not. Just don't get in the habit of spoiling the little tike! Just kidding. That's a grandparents job -- to spoil the grandkids. Christie Trapp

I see George Omick listed in the Washington Star, formerly of Washington, died 6/19/1941. http://www.raub-and-more.com/washobits/washobit41b.html Jan Reuther > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [NJWARREN] Omick's > From: Topsey8491@aol.com > Date: Sat, January 28, 2006 12:17 am > To: NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com > > Looking for Omick's. Last found living in Warren County New Jersey. George > Omick and Lillian Abrams had the following children: George, Katherine, Bertha > and Ida. > > Cheryl > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Looking for Omick's. Last found living in Warren County New Jersey. George Omick and Lillian Abrams had the following children: George, Katherine, Bertha and Ida. Cheryl

The Rockport Presbyterian Church for its 150th Anniversary has published a book. It contains fifty pages of history since 1855 when the church was called the Second Presbyterian Church of Mansfield. Contents: Complete history of the Presbyterian Pioneers of the area Recorded Marriages in the church from 1873 to 1957 Register of Baptisms from 1856 to 1938 Register of Deaths from 1895 to 2004 Register of Elders from 1855 to 2005 Cemetery Listings - 289 total List of Pastors from 1856 to present Roll of Trustees Genealogies of the founding families; Aaron and George Bryan; David Davis; David Chambers Davis; Henry C. Davis; Jacob R. Davis; Samuel W. Davis; James Hance and wife, Cornelia McCrea; James McCrea. Email me for specific info.... Bob Smith

Dear Jan, Congratulations! The first grandchild will always be very special, but we found out that the seventh is also very very special. As indeed they all are. Thank you for being part of our family. BoB L. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan@raub-and-more.com> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] Change to family tree > Hi, Folks... > > For those of you who have my family tree as part of yours, we've had a > new addition to our family during the night: > http://raub-and-more.com/jhr/24077.htm > > MY FIRST GRANDCHILD! > > Jan Reuther > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi, Folks... For those of you who have my family tree as part of yours, we've had a new addition to our family during the night: http://raub-and-more.com/jhr/24077.htm MY FIRST GRANDCHILD! Jan Reuther

The cost of microfilm rental at the LDS Family History centers just went up from $3.25 to $5.50. Sharing takes on a whole new importance when primary records become prohibitively expensive! BDC

Hi Judy Vital records for NJ 1848-1878 - all the original records for these years are in the possession of the NJ State Archives. You would contact them for copies of these records. See their website for address and price information. http://www.state.nj.us/state/darm/links/archives.html Records after 1878 - all originals after 1878 are housed at the NJ Dept of Health and Senior Services. It is their prices that have gone up to $25 for a copy. See their website for information on prices, mailing address, and restrictions. http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/vital.htm But - don't forget that microfilm COPIES of many vital records are available to the public for searching at the NJ State Archives. In person at the NJ State Archives you can search and copy vital records as follows Births 1848-1923 Deaths 1848-1940 Marriages 1848-1940 These copies are still only 50 cents a copy. If you can't access the archives in person, there are a number of professional researchers who work at the archives on a regular basis. They can search and copy the records for you. See the Professional Researchers section on www.gsnj.org or the Locate a Member section on www.apgen.org. There is also a list on NJ Gen Web at http://www.njgenweb.org/research/genealogist.html. The cost of hiring a local researcher may be about the same as ordering from the Dept of Health - but it's a heck of lot quicker and, I believe, that you get much better results for your money. A local professional will know enough to check variant spellings for you and will be more willing to search multiple years. Regards, Joan Joan M. Lowry mailto:jmlowry@earthlink.net

Can anyone clarify which record costs will be increased? Is it all records from all years? Doesn't NJ have two different addresses for requesting BMD certs? The paper says that documents will go from $4 to 25 as of yesterday. It said Dept of health and Senior services. JUDY

Hello Esther, I enjoy your Read site and want to thank you for including some of my VanKirk ancestors in the cemetery listings. I was told by someone, can't recall who, that the N.J. Census' for the early years were destroyed by fire, by the British during the Rev. War and War of 1812, could this be true? I was hunting for a Jones and Burns family close to my VanKirk family in Warren or Hunterdon, as James VanKirk born 1780 married Mary Jones born 1781 and they were married in Nov. 1800 in Hunterdon County, N.J., then later they lived & died in Knowlton, Warren County, N.J. They named one son, James Burns VanKirk and some of his nephews, sons of his brothers carry this unusual middle name. James Burns VanKirk born 1823, married Sally Ann Decker and they named my great grandfather Thomas JONES VanKirk, so I thought maybe "Burns" was perhaps the maiden name of Mary Jones' mother or the maiden name of James VanKirk born 1780, wife or mother. But, I was told there are no census pages to scour. So sad. Anyway, thank you for the Read family site. I have confirmed all of my grandmother's stories through you, Jan Raub Reuther and Nancy Pascal's sharing of NJ history. Sincerely, Marilyn in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther Read" <readgen@adelphia.net> To: <> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] census > The earliest available United States Federal Census for all of New Jersey is > 1830. The 1790, 1800, 1810, and 1820 have either been destroyed through > mishap or gone missing. There are state census records, check with the New > Jersey State Archives for information. > > Esther Doyle Read > www.readgen.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim dailey" <jdailey1@nc.rr.com> > To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:28 AM > Subject: [NJWARREN] census > > > > Is there a listing of the census before 1850 for Warren county. pref. 1820 > or 1830 > > > > Jim Dailey > > > > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

The earliest available United States Federal Census for all of New Jersey is 1830. The 1790, 1800, 1810, and 1820 have either been destroyed through mishap or gone missing. There are state census records, check with the New Jersey State Archives for information. Esther Doyle Read www.readgen.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim dailey" <jdailey1@nc.rr.com> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] census > Is there a listing of the census before 1850 for Warren county. pref. 1820 or 1830 > > Jim Dailey > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >