Please note: There are two researchers looking for Anderson, combined queries below Janeway ANDERSON (ANDRIS), ----, Coll, father of James; deceased by May 44 Andris, Mch 35, Feb 36 James, May 44-Sep 46, on Samuel Smith's land at Lamerton Jerry Jr., June 39-Sep 44; cropped with and d to William Hoghlandt; d William Hoghlandt's son; he and John paid for J. Richardson Sep 40 John Feb 36; Sep 40; d to William Hoghlandt; Saml Cox bought for him Grandin ANDERSON - too many to send (suggest you borrow FHL film) no John no Thomas William, 1774 to June 6, 1783 (6) Wm, "For your daughter-in-law a cloak," Oct 16, 178 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Knock" <knock3x@comcast.net> To: "'Marilyn Souders'" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: RE: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > Marilyn-- > Thanks for the offer! I hate to throw in a common name, but am curious as > to any listing of William or John ANDERSON in the records. Hopefully > narrowing the first names to two will ease the look. > Thanks again! > Jerry Knock > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Souders [mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:53 AM > To: NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > > I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom > and > found the Janeway account records. > If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I > will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide > alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. > > A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the > 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, > Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near > present-day Bound Brook. > > This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very protective > of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or non-subscribers > sending me things. > > Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have > brought me a lot of grief. > Marilyn > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Marilyn, Thank you for a generous offer. I am particularly interested in Christian Snyder who might have been there after 1727. I have also been interested in Freas, Bellis and Dils as these families married into my Snyders. Regards, Virginia

oops. got it right when i described them to bob lefler in an earlier message. trying to do too many things at once, i guess. Again, the Janeway records span the years 1735-1746 and the editor, Stryker-Rodda, identified its location as Bridgewater or today Bound Brook. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith L. Nelson" <klnelson@uci.edu> To: <msouders@nyc.rr.com> Cc: <monamusic@aol.com>; <klnelson@uci.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: a question > Dear Ms. Souders, > Sorry to bother you, but in your recent response to Mona Hylton (pasted > below) regarding the Janeway store records you cited a John Brass as > having received deliveries from Benjamin Whitbeck from April 1742 to April > 1744. Yet in your letter to your "listers" of 29 August you say that the > Janeway account records "cover the 1730-1740 period". Is there any reason > for this discrepancy, or have I misread what you sent Mona? > I would be grateful for your advice on this point. > Sincerely, > Keith Nelson > > Don't see a Gabriel > > Janeway: > Brass, John, Apr 42-Apr 44, nr. Jno Folgerts; d* Benjamin Whitbeck > > (that means Whitbeck delivered to Brass) > > maybe: > Breese, Cornelius. Feb. 35 > Jery, June 35 d for Hendrick Fisher > John, Jly 35-Jan 35* > > *I guess the dates reflect the old calendar where march is the beginning > of the new year. > > > > > -- > Professor Keith L. Nelson > Department of History > University of California, Irvine 92697 > Telephone (949) 824-2306, (949) 824-6521 > FAX (949) 824-2865 >

Janeway: nothing for either name Grandin: Albert George, May 4, 1778 Yerrick, June 27, 1776 [note: Yerrick is a form of George; probably the same person] Albertson Garrot, 1774 Nicholas, Dec 10, 1781 nothing for Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Brydekirk@aol.com To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] BELLISFELT/BELLIS Hi Any chance the names Of BARNES or ALBERT show up??? Thanks so much Brenda

Janeway: Cook (see also Cock) , John, Aug. 36; d to William Means Cock (see also Cook), John, Nov. 35 - June 37; d George Hall Jr; his wife, Apr 37 Johanis Jr. (John Jr.) Nov. 35-Sept 46, son of John see my earlier explanation of "d" and "d to" Grandin: Cock David, Nov. 16, 1778 Edward, Dec. 3, 1780 Gashom, Oct. 9, 1781 Cock/Kock, Henry, Nov 6, 1779 to Nov. 22, 1781 (4) Jacob, June 15, 1778 Jacobus, 1774 John, June 3, 1776 Cocks, see also Coxe ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann Brown To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Look up please Marilyn, I am seeing all the info you are comming up with. I have been trying to locate a person in the area of Morris and Sussex counties. We think he was born around 1736 and since you have a list of people in the area I thought we might check on them. Looking for any Cook family. Don't know the first name. That's what we are looking for. The child born in 1736 was John Cook and he was brought up and died in the same area. There were Halsey's and Greens in his childrens families. Any info on a Cook family would give us a name to research and possibly link to our John. Thank you, Ann -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

Dear Marilyn, Are there any Johnstons or Johnsons in the Grandin Fulling Mill Book? Thank you so much. Phyllis ---- Marilyn Souders <msouders@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom and found the Janeway account records. > If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. > > A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near present-day Bound Brook. > > This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very protective of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or non-subscribers sending me things. > > Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have brought me a lot of grief. > Marilyn > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Carol, In your brief message to the LIST (see below) you mention your interest in the SHIPMAN surname. To your knowledge, have we exchanged data in the past??? I have been researching the SHIPMAN line for about twenty years now. I would be happy to compare notes. How are you related to the line? My SHIPMAN line is as follows: 1-Harmon Shipman, b 1717 Germany, d 8 Mar 1805 Warren Co., NJ sp #1-Unknown 2-William Shipman, b 9 Jun 1756, d 23 Jan 1841, m Catherine Campbell 2-Nicholas Shipman, b 25 Aug 1758, d Sep 1827, m Catharine Fisher 3-Catharine Shipman m Robert Fleming 3-Elizabeth Shipman,b 2/13/1787, d 5/11/1886, m Obadiah Campbell 3-Mary Shipman, b 1792, m John Blair, b 1781 3-Harmon Shipman, b 25 Aug 1794, d 10 Mar 1877; sp-Elizabeth McKinney 4-Isaac Shipman, b 18 Sep 1818 Boyles Run, North'd Co., PA; sp-Rebekah Lytle 5-Salathiel H. Shipman, b 15 Dec 1845, d Apr 1919; sp-Lydia Dunkelberger 6-Galen Harris Shipman, b 25 Aug 1876 6-Sallie Rebecca Shipman m Edward J. Otto 6-Horatio Elmer Shipman; sp-Ida Ameda Heim 7-Edna Maude Shipman; sp-John Imanuel Hendricks 8-John Shipman Hendricks 8-Nancy Lou Hendricks 6-Minnie Frances Shipman, b 29 Jun 1884 5-Mahalah Jane Shipman m Daniel S. Dunkelberger 5-Erastus Shipman, b 29 Sep 1854, d 20 Dec 1857 5-Anthony S. Shipman m Irene E. Conrad 4-Abigail Elizabeth Shipman, b 4 Jun 1820, m David Fisher 4-Catherine Eliza Shipman, b 4 Jun 1820, m Caleb Ely 3-Harmon b 25 Aug 1794, (see above) married (2) Elizabeth Ely and they had: 4-Delilah Shipman, b 12 Aug 1830, m Anthony Snyder 4-Obadiah Ely Shipman, b 18 Dec 1832, m Barbara A. Sears 4-Samuel J. Shipman, b 10 Jun 1837, m Elizabeth B. Fisher 4-Hester Jane Shipman, b 23 Oct 1840, m Samuel Gunsaullus 4-James Hamilton Shipman, b 14 Apr 1848, m Almira Pike 2-John Shipman, b 1760 Uniontown, Harmony Twp., Warren Co., NJ 2-Christian Shipman, b 1760, d 1 Mar 1843 Harmon's 2nd spouse was Elizabeth Howe, b 1745 and they had: 2-Jacob Shipman, b 8 May 1766, d 24 Feb 1848, m Rachel Bird 2-Lenah Shipman 2-Catherine Shipman m Abraham DeWitt 2-Harmon Shipman, Jr. b 28 Apr 1775, d 24 Mar 1854, m Susannah ? 2-David Shipman, b 1776, d aft 1858 2-Elizabeth Shipman, b 1777 Uniontown, Harmony Twp. Warren Co., NJ 2-Mary Shipman, b 1781, d 7 Mar 1854, m Christopher Andrews John Shipman Hendricks in Vero Beach, Fl 32968 Ysearch User ID: P5QP9 -------~------~-----~----~---~---Researching--~---~----~------~-------~---------Adams-Auchmuty-Brady-Bogar/Boger-Campbell-Dunkelberger-EveretFaeg-Ferster-Fisher-Gottschalk-Heim--Hendricks-Henni-Hile-JohnsonKerschner-Klingemann-Lytle-McKinney-Minneger-Moll-Musser-NeesePolhemus-Rebuck-Reed/Rieth-Reitz-Reichelderfer-Sampsel-ShipmanSchneider-Stettler-Schwartz-Weygand-Wolfhardt-Wayne-Zettlemoyer Visit Website at: http://home.comcast.net/~HendricksJS/ -------~------~-----~----~---~--My-Ancestors--~---~----~------~-------~-------------- Original Message -----From: "Carol Perkins" <musco57@hotmail.com>To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:43 PMSubject: [NJWARREN] RE: NJWARREN-D Digest V06 #72> Marilyn,> Could you please look for a Danley (Daneley or Donnelly). I am alsointerested in Shipman.> Thank you very much!!> Carol

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Bob Lefler ; NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Paul & Cath Bellis Angle/Engel/Lefler Bob- Recently I looked at the Gen Mag of NJ for the Grandin Fulling Mill Book records - another good source, like the Janeway records, for placing a person in a time and place. The Grandin Mill was in Hunterdon county. I see these records: Lafler, Peter, 1774 to May 16, 1780 (6) Lafler, Peter, Jr., 1774 Lafelar, Peter, "brought by Peter Young," April 1782 No Angles/Engles. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Paul & Cath Bellis Angle/Engel/Lefler > Catherine- I know I need to put things together with your info, but before I > do too much of that, take a look at this Angle/Engle- Lefler material to see > what you see off the top. Bob Lefler( as you with Angle, I with > Lefler--trying to put things together!) > Knowlton Records-near Oxford p. 93 > Christian/pos Christopher Leffler and Margareth(Anna?) Angil Lefler m 1774, > bap Catherina b. July 6, 1790. Witness- Johan Fris & Catherina Fries. They > also record a dau Maria Verlom b. 1775. Also at St John's Evangelical > Lutheran Congregation of Easton,Pa, bap of Johan Muller, witnesses-John > Leffler and Maria Frees. > House of James Consoley-service in Knolton ---of Christian (opher) > Lefler/Laessler and Margaret Angil @ house of Jo:Angil in 1774. "Jo" must be > John Angle, Peter Lefler's brotherinlaw. > > Note: I have 19 pages of Angle Genealogy-some goes to Ohio.... > Child of Jacob Angle 1705-1786 and Elizabeth Boyles was Catherine Angle b. > abt 1728 m Peter Lassler/Lefler b abt 1723. There is a conflict and question > here-pos Anna Angle?? > Will of Peter Lafler/Lefler, Oxford,Sussex CO,NJ proved 1794 and > administered by Catherine Lafler and (Jacob?) Paul Engle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine DiPietro" <cathode@earthlink.net> > To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:20 AM > Subject: [NJWARREN] Paul & Cath Bellis Angle/Engel > > >>I did some work on this family a while ago....here's what I have.... >> >> Paul ENGLE Sr. b. 8 Apr 1752, son of Jacob, d. 1808 >> Catharina BELLIS b. 25 May 1754 >> >> 1) Jacob, b. 1771, innkeeper >> 2) Elisabeth b. 12 Dec 1772, bpt 12 Jun 1773 First German & Engl. Cong. >> wit: Jacob and Eliz ENGEL >> 3) Maria b. 5 Feb 1773, bpt 14 Apr 1775 First German & Engl Cong, wit: >> Philip & Eliz HARTMAN >> 4) Johannes/John b. 23 Sep 1776, bpt 26 Dec 1776 First German...Knowlton, >> NJ, wit: Johannes ENGEL, Anna Marie FRIES >> 5) Catherine b. 1787, m. Owen HUGHES >> 6) Phillip b. 1778 >> 7) Paul Jr. b. 1781 >> 8) Isaac b. 1782 >> 9) Cornelius b. 1784 >> 10) Abraham b. 1791 >> 11) David b. 1793 >> 12) Sarah b. 1796 >> 13) Amelia b. 1798 >> >> Neighbors when land sold to father by William Rodman... David Brands, >> William Harris, >> Robert Kennedy's mill and Garret Albertson. >> >> Paul Engle Sr. of Knowlton, Sussex, will dated 7 Jul 1804, proved 8 Jul >> 1808 >> names wife Catherine; Sons: Jacob, Paul, Isaac, Cornelius, Abraham, David; >> Daughters: Elizabeth, Catherine, Anne, Sarah and Mellie. Elizabeth not to >> get >> her share directly but to her children. Son John already has his lot of >> land >> where he now dwells. Executor: wife Catherine and son Jacob. Wit: John >> Faune, >> John Green and Owen Hughes. Inventory $ 1,911,45 File 1161S. >> >> Jacob, son of Paul, was an innkeeper according to Sussex County Deed Book >> G pp 28-31 dated 31 Dec 1799 >> >> Sussex County Deed Book G page 54 dated 1 Jan 1800 >> Paul Engle Sr. of Knowlton, yeoman, and Catherine, his wife to >> Jacob Engle, their son, of Knowlton 138.5 acres, part of 399.5 >> acres sold to Jacob Engle, father of Paul Engle, grantor, by William >> Rodman and Mary on 20 June 1769 - Land on the Delaware River >> adjoining Thomas Harris, Jesse Harris, William Engle Sr., dec'd; >> John Engle, dec'd; >> Paul Engle signed in German. >> >> Jacob Angle/Engle last will and testament dated 11 May 1774, filed 5 Jun >> 1785 >> Wife Elizabeth >> 1) John b. 29 Aug 1731, bpt 12 Sep 1731 Rockaway Lutheran >> 2) William bp. 10 Jun 1733 Readington Ref. Dutch Ch, Hunterdon Co., NJ, m. >> Jane ____ >> 3) Paul b. 8 Apr 1752, d. 1808, m. Catherine BELLIS >> 4) Anna m. Peter ALBAGH >> 5) Catherine m. Peter LASSITER >> 6) Margretta m. Michael BANGHART >> 7) Allice m. Phillip HOFFMAN >> >> notes from back of card: >> Bought land on Scott's Mountain on 20 Jun 1769 from Wm RODMAN and wife >> Ann. Jacob's last will and testament dated 11 May 1774 conveyed 100 acres >> to >> son William {married to Jane with oldest son Jacob, blacksmith in >> Knowlton, >> became >> heir at law as William deceased before 1799. Jacob Angle married Charity >> and >> sold land in Knowlton to Jacob Engle, son of Paul, the innkeeper per >> Sussex >> Co. >> Deed Book G pg 28 dated 31 Dec 1799.} >> >> Lutheran Church Records, Rockaway, Morris Co., NJ on 12 Sep 1731 bapt. >> Johannes, 14 day old son of Jacob Engel and wife Liesabeth wit: Jacob >> SCHARPENSTEIN and Anna Christine, wife of Conrad KOHL. >> >> This family intermarried with the BELLIS, LAREW, VAN KIRK, >> BEAM, BECK, KEYSER, BARNES, RIBBLE, etc. families. >> I have about 20 family notes cards on Angle/Engle if you have >> a specific one. I also know Francis CRAWN did extensive work >> on the Angles at the request of Albert STOKES. Mr. CRAWNs >> files are available on microfilm at the main branch of the Sussex >> County Library in Frankford, NJ. >> >> Because of the intermarriages, this family has always been >> my genealogical tangled ball of yarn. There's even a "wills >> war of words" which I will include under different cover. >> >> Hope this helped, >> Cathy >> >> >> ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== >> You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. 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note: also take note here of the explanation of what 'd' and 'd to' mean in these records. Bob- I've got my records unpacked and found the Janeway records. I didn't see any Leffler/Laflers on the list, but there are these records for Angle: Again, the Janeway records span the years 1735-1746 and the editor, Stryker-Rodda, identified its location as Bridgewater or today Bound Brook. Angle, Philip, Nov. 37; d[elivered to] Jacobus Winterstine] , William, Aug. 35-June 40; d[elivered] Dirrick Barrantsah, Jacob and Peter Brewer, Peter Van Nest, Jacobus Winterstine, Frederick Young; his son Nov. 37; his wife Dec 35-Jly 37 I will type what S-R wrote concerning the "d" notation: "Delivery of goods to or for the subject is indicated by "d"; and "d to" indicates the subject delivered goods to or for the person or persons named, such persons probably being neighbors. As I understand that, I'd interpret that the Philip entry shows he del. to Winterstine; whereas the d note for William would be read that those individuals delivered TO him. I might even theorize that William was incapacitated as so many people over 5 years delivered to him. The last two entries I'd think would be saying that his son and his wife also delivered to him. Could William's son be Philip, as he apparently made an entry during the month that his "son" also delivered? I'll let you wrestle with all those ideas. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lefler To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com ; Marilyn Souders ; jan@RAUB-and-more.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Angle/Lefler/Fries/Pace/DeWitt and knowlton families Firstly, thankyou for the Reading church Jan! Marilyn- Maybe we have a "roll" here! Can you tell me more about the Grandin Fulling Mill ?? Was it in Knowlton? And what are the Janeway Records? Cathy- Children of Jacob and Elizabeth Angle/Engle listed in his will of 1785: #5 was Catherine m Peter Lassiter! I have Peter Lassler/Lasslaer/Lefler/Lafler/etc b. abt 1723 m. Catherine Angle b. 1728. I also have her as the child of Jacob Angle 1705-1786 and Elizabeth Boyles. This is from my Angle Genealogy of 19 pages. This Peter is under consideration as our earliest Lefler ancester. He may be the father of Christian Lefler m Margareth Angil in 1774 in Knowlton, their daughter was Elizabeth. Will of Peter Lafler/Lefler of Oxford nxt to Knolton proved in 1794 and admin by Paul Angle, etc. These families in Knolton were close knitt. A John Lefler owned property on the River and the family also married Pace and DeWitt. All this discussion of these families gets interesting. Bob Lefler

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: "Janfos@hughes.net" <JanFos@hughes.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > Don't find it under any spelling variant in either listing. > Do you know the origin of this family? Given the D-T similarity in German > and Dutch, do you ever search under "Dorp" to be thorough? With my own > name, Sauder/Sauter and all variants, I've become accustomed to looking > under D-T alternatives. And there are many names during this period where > that applies: Deats/Teats/Titus or Domer/Tomer or Tildine/Dildine. > Tharp sounds English but some of these names were Anglicized early and > then German/Dutch variants applied to morph them into different spellings. > I was thinking that Dorp, which means village in Dutch, is a common Dutch > word - there's a place called New Dorp here on Staten Island (but to be > honest, I've only heard Dorp in relation to a place name, not a person's > name) > > Wait...do you include Throop? That is a bona fide Dutch name. There's a > Throop Avenue here in Brooklyn dating back to the immigrant family. > > In Janeway is this: > Troop, John, Nov. 37, paid by Jacob Janeway. > > I have no way of sussing this out. Jacob Janeway was the owner of the > store - perhaps he and Troop bartered something to erase his store bill? > Or Troop could have worked/been indentured to Janeway? Or related to him? > > Good luck, Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janfos@hughes.net" <JanFos@hughes.net> > To: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > > >> Thanks Marilyn, for the offer. >> >> Looking for Tharp/Thorp/Throp/Terp.... > > >> >> Regards, >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> >> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books >> >> >>>I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom >>>and found the Janeway account records. >>> If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I >>> will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide >>> alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. >>> >>> A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the >>> 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, >>> Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near >>> present-day Bound Brook. >>> >>> This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very >>> protective of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or >>> non-subscribers sending me things. >>> >>> Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have >>> brought me a lot of grief. >>> Marilyn >>> >>> ______________________________ >> >> >

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Tacy413408@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Janeway - nothing Grandin Lawmerson/Lommerson, Conrod/Coonrod, Apr. 7, 1776 to Jan. 5, 1782 (3) Lawmerson, John, Oct. 27, 1781 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tacy413408@aol.com To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Marilyn, Thanks for your kind offer and I appreciate it. Could you look up Lomerson, Lomberson, Lamberson, Lammerson, Lambertson? I am trying to find out when they came into that area. Hopefully I have covered all of the spellings. Thanks again, Pat

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: JUDITH CRAWFORD Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: look up Janeway - nothing Grandin Frese, Martin [grouped with Henry Stute], 1774 Freze, Peter, Nov. 8, 1777 There are entries for Fritz but I don't think that would be a variant, would it? Do you ever look under "Vries" or "deVries"? The V and F are often transposed in old records. ----- Original Message ----- From: JUDITH CRAWFORD To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Fw: look up ----- Original Message ----- From: JUDITH CRAWFORD Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:58 PM To: msouders@nyc.rr.cvom Subject: look up I am looking for info on Martinus (Martin) Fries...sometimes spelled Freeze, Freese, Frease. Also, Martinus is sometimes been seen as Marthinus and Mortines. Thanks so much for your offer and your time. Judi C., TN

Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Brian E. Rounsavill Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Janeway Rounsavel (Runsavell), Richard, Jly 35-Oct 37 nothing in Grandin books ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian E. Rounsavill To: Marilyn Souders ; NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Marilyn Would you look up the surname "Rounsavell" or "Ransavell"? Many thanks, Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Marilyn Souders [mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 9:53 AM To: NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom and found the Janeway account records. If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near present-day Bound Brook. This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very protective of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or non-subscribers sending me things. Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have brought me a lot of grief. Marilyn ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Jkarthur@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: A lookup for Robert Green Janeway: GREEN (this is a common name so wouldn't assume that these are necessarily related, right?) John, Jly 38 - Dec 42. at Black River; d Nathaniel Drake. Jonah Robinson, his wife Aug. 42 Thomas, Feb. 41 - Aug 42, at Black River, brother to John; d Whitehead d= that name delivered to Green You said he died in 66, so don't know that Grandin will be applicable: GREEN Charles, Nov. 16, 1781 Thomas, Oct. 15, 1781 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jkarthur@aol.com To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: A lookup for Robert Green I really appreciate your offer, Marilyn and hope it isn't too crazy for you. My mystery person is: He died in Sussex County in abt 1766. No birth date. No parents. He was married to Eve(ah) Wollever, Wooliver, Wohliver, Wohleben and many more. She was the daughter of Johann Jacob Wollever (1701-1774) of Hunterdon County. She was b. in 1726/29, is mentioned in her husband's will and I have no death date for her. Thank you very much for looking. Judy Arthur

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books -- BELLISFELT/BELLIS > Janeway: > Bellis, Peter, Jly 37, Aug 38; d Peter Dilts* > > d= delivered to Bellis by Dilts, could indicate proximity (wasn't Bellis > on the Society's lands in the 1730s?) > > Grandin: > Bellows, Peter, May 17, 1779 > Bellis, Peter, Sept. 26, 1782 > Bellous, Philip, Oct. 18, 1782 > Bellousfelt, Adam, Apr. 7, 1776 > Bellousfelt, Wm, 1774 > > (We've communicated before: my Souders girls married those Bellis boys, > remember?) > I was amused to see that the name was still in one of its original forms > as late as the 1770s - did some branches keep it longer than others? > > Marilyn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> > To: "'Marilyn Souders'" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:41 AM > Subject: FW: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books -- > BELLISFELT/BELLIS > > >> Hi Marilyn, >> >> Thanks for offering to do look-ups! Would you please check both account >> books for the surname BELLESFELT, which might also be spelled BELLISFELT, >> BULLESFELT, BOELLESFELT, BILESFELT, (etc.). Later generations eventually >> shortened the name to BELLES, BELLAS, BELLIS. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Roz Bellis >> Alexandria VA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marilyn Souders [mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com] >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:53 AM >> To: NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books >> >> I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom >> and >> found the Janeway account records. >> If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I >> will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide >> alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. >> >> A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the >> 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, >> Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near >> present-day Bound Brook. >> >> This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very >> protective >> of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or >> non-subscribers >> sending me things. >> >> Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have >> brought me a lot of grief. >> Marilyn >> >> >> ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== >> You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: "John M. Henderson" <iansledge96@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > Under Janeway, there's Hendershot + variants and Hendrickson, but I don't > think Henderson took either of those forms. No McCray/McCrea either/ > > Under Grandin: > HENDERSON > John 1775 > Hugh, "Musconeconk" 1775 > Peter, Dec. 1778 > Samuel, December 1783 > Wm, "Emminses," 1774 > William, October 18, 1779 > > Do not find McCray/McCrea under those spellings. > > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Henderson" <terriandjohn@mcttelecom.com> > To: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > > >> Do you find any references to HENDERSON OR MCCREA FAMILIES?? >> Appreciate anything you may find! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> >> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books >> >> >>>I may kick myself for this, but, I've cleared a path through my bedroom >>>and found the Janeway account records. >>> If anyone on this list is looking for ancestors in the 1730-40 period, I >>> will check two names (max) for them in the records. Please provide >>> alternative spellings as they're indexed the way they were written. >>> >>> A similar offer for the Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the >>> 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, >>> Hunterdon Co. Janeway was further east, experts believe it was near >>> present-day Bound Brook. >>> >>> This offer will expire at the end of the week. Also, I am very >>> protective of my email address and do not want a lot of extra spam or >>> non-subscribers sending me things. >>> >>> Sorry to be so grouchy-sounding but previous good-natured offers have >>> brought me a lot of grief. >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== >>> You can contact the listowner at: Judy@BirdGenealogy.org >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Breakness@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Don't find any under any spelling in Janeway. From Grandin: LANCE Harber/Harbert, Dec. 10, 1782; December 1783 John, Apr. 23, 1778; Oct 28, 1778 Peter, Jan. 9, 1776 to Feb. 17, 1784 (6) William, Oct. 7, 1778 to Jan 31, 1783 (3) The Grandin mill was near present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, in Hunterdon. That's pretty near German Valley, but I don't get the geography of "water gap in German Valley" - do you mean the Delaware Water Gap? If so, that would be nearer to some of the other locations you mention but further away from German Valley (if the one you refer to is the one near Califon, etc., in NJ). Is it? i.e., 13 mi. between Hamden and Califon; 36 between Blairstown and Hamden; 8 mi between Blairstown and Columbia (NJ, near the Water Gap) Hope I've made it clear for you; otherwise you might want to check these distances out on mapquest.com. I have a few Lances in my database. Do you want them? I have one Lance who married a Souders in Kane Co., IL, but both families came from PA. I have another Lance who married a Van Ness, another of the names I research. ----- Original Message ----- From: Breakness@aol.com To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Marilyn You are ahead of me on the path issue. My downstairs office is piled so deep in papers that if I died someone would think I was nuts! I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't know New Jersey geography well enough to have a good guess if my LANTZ -LANCE ancestors would be in the area. They were near the Water Gap in German Valley, Blairstown, Hainsburg, Walnut Valley area. If that is in your area would you mind seeing if there are names in your book/ If the area is wrong it would be my guess that there wouldn't be any of my people there. Thanks much Laurence Lance Seattle dang it's getting harder and harder to see this screen!

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: MonaMusic@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Don't see a Gabriel Janeway: Brass, John, Apr 42-Apr 44, nr. Jno Folgerts; d* Benjamin Whitbeck (that means Whitbeck delivered to Brass) maybe: Breese, Cornelius. Feb. 35 Jery, June 35 d for Hendrick Fisher John, Jly 35-Jan 35* *I guess the dates reflect the old calendar where march is the beginning of the new year. ----- Original Message ----- From: MonaMusic@aol.com To: msouders@nyc.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Please check for me--probably in the Janeway books: Gabriel BRAS/BRASS/BROSS (Wife was Martha) Thank you. Mona, Richmond, IN

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders To: Nancy J. Hendricks Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books Janeway: This is closest to FRANTZ FRANKS, Jacob: May 37-Oct 40; couzin to Collomon Solomons Nothing close in Grandin Here are some records from my database: FRANTZ 1. Elizabeth, m. to Frederick Germanton (I picked up this record from some bb - could be your own posting? "Records of others indicate that my ggg grandfather, Frederick GERMANTON served as a sergeant during the War of 1812. Frederick was born January 20, 1780 in Plainfield Twp., Northampton County Pa. and died Nov. 7, 1864. He was married to Elizabeth FRANTZ. Elizabeth FRANTZ was the daughter of Jacob and Susanna FRANTZ and the granddaughter of Peter and Veronica nee HELLER CONRAD. His parents were Conrad and Elizabeth nee HELLER GERMANTON, she being the daughter of Simon and Louisa HELLER and sister to Veronica. ") 2. Henry b. abt 1770 m. to Margaret Ritter, d. of Casper Ritter and Otilla Hertz, of Whitehall, Lehigh 3. Mary Frantz, b. abt 1810, 2nd wife of George Frey, Heidelberg, Lehigh (George and his 1st wife were my gggrandparents) 4. Salome Frantz, b. abt 1799, m. to George Ringer, Lehigh Co. 5. Sarah Frantz, b. 1798, m. to Philip Hahn, Plainfield Twp., Northampton Co So far as my records go, these are all unrelated - but, as the Ritter, Frey, Ringer families were all related, I'd posit that there are connections between Henry, Mary and Salom. And probably too with the two girls from Plainfield, Elizabeth and Sarah. Good luck. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy J. Hendricks" <NJHendricks@comcast.net> To: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] RE: Grandin & Janeway account books > It is very kind of you to offer to take the time to help others and I > appreciate your efforts. I am particularly studying the Frantz surname, > Jacob, Henry or any you come across. I believe a Jacob Frantz came across > with the 0-Niners and did settle in the Warren Co. area. I am new to this > list as my main searching area has always been across the Delaware in PA. > > Regards, > > Nancy J. (Smith) Hendricks > in Vero Beach, Florida > > >

Listers: I will re-send to the list the names for which I've done lookups so far since I'm now getting duplicate name requests. Once again, this is what I know about the source of these records. Both sets of records appeared over several issues of the Genealogical Magazine of NJ. Grandin: Over 7 issues beginning with GMNJ, Vol. 52 #1, Jan 1977- Janeway: Over 6 issues beginning with GMNJ, Vol. 33, #1/2, Jan/Apr 1958 - Janeway account records cover the 1730-40 period. These are store accounts, and store was located in present-day Bound Brook. Grandin Fulling Mill records, which span the 1775-1785 period. Grandin was in present-day Hamden, south of Clinton, Hunterdon Co. These were also business records, showing people bringing wool to the mill to be fulled.