Dear Judy, The family name is Martinius, not the given name. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > Louis, > I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide > will be greatly appreciated. > > Judi, TN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > Dear Marilyn, > > I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you > desire I > can send the info to you. > > Louis G Creveling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then > piece > > it > > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one > Martinus > > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > > like > > that. > > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > > Library > > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > > area, > > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last > time > > I > > checked. > > Marilyn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too > >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus > is > >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived > here > >> at > >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of > >> Martinus > >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a > son > >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and > >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? > >> > >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. > >> > >> Judi > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Marilyn > Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> > >> To: > njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> > >> > >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse > me > >> if > >> this has been pointed out previously. > >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and > "senior" > >> who > >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in > >> Harmony > >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one > >> apparently > >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I > >> realized > >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a > maternal > >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" > >> helped > >> to > >> keep them straight. > >> Marilyn > >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City > and > >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there > once > >> in > >> your lifetime. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> > >> To: > <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM > >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> > >> > >> > Judi, > >> > > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and > son. > >> I > >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and > >> > Janetze) were all the same person. > >> > > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna > >> Fries, > >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: > >> Martinus > >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. > >> > > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms > were > >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the > name > >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a > >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated > or > >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for > the > >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make > me > >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he > kept > >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. > >> > > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus > Fries. > >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the > >> baby's > >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for > >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be > >> named > >> > Martinus Fries! > >> > > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's > helped...sorry! > >> > > >> > Jan > >> > > >> > > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> >> From: > oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am > >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" > >> > <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> > >> >> > >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. > There > >> are > >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna > >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there > is > >> one > >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge > >> and > >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with > these > >> names > >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the > >> other. > >> >> > >> >> Judi, TN > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> > with > >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > >> the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I missed some of the earlier messages in this thread, but if they lived near a family named PAUL, I'd look for a member whose first name was Theodore. It was common in the 19th century to name children first and last names after a member of the community or church, not necessarily related. Therefore, re your posting below, I'd look for the namesake as having both names. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <JUDYSPHIL@aol.com> To: <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [NJWARREN] THEODORE PAUL > Yes, sorry it is BELEVIDERE where the THEODORE PAUL mansion was. According > to > the History of Warren County, the THEODORE PAUL mansion was at the > northeast > corner of Market and water Street. Built prior to 1800, by THOMAS PAUL, > who > came here in 1792 or 1793. > > I am curious about this place and these people because my great > grandfather's > brother's name was THEODORE PAUL CUNNINGHAM b. 1874 in Washington NJ. I > was > puzzled about the PAUL as a middle name as no one in our family was or > ever > has been named PAUL. Maybe the mother worked for the PAUL family and just > liked > the sound of the name. > > Anyway, while reading the history of Warren County, I came across the > reference to the PAUL family and that was why I asked. Thanks for the > help. JUDY > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marjorie, There is an index that is the first page of each book you click on, but I have not indexed every book as it is a big job, but I am trying. If there is not an index then you would have view each page unfortunately. Sorry I can't be of more help. Alan http://www.midatlanticarchives.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:47:28 -0600 From: "Marjorie Erlebach" <marji@citlink.net> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] NJ His. Soc. Vol 9 To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <006301c6f491$57b39520$01fea8c0@DHHX0311> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I should probably know the answer to this question, but I don't. I have been on the midatlantic archives site, but do not know how to find specific information. Is there an indes to family names. A lot of my maternal ancestors were from N.J.. Hunterdon , Sussex and then Warren County. Do I have to read every page to see if they are listed? Thanks. Marjorie Erlebach (now in Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Buckingham" <a.d.buckingham@verizon.net> To: <NJMORRIS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: [NJWARREN] NJ His. Soc. Vol 9 > Hello All, > > I have scanned and uploaded another 10 pages of the book "Collections of > the > New Jersey Historical Society Vol. IX". You can view the book at > http://www.midatlanticarchives.com > > Also, thanks to those who got back to me with help in tracking down the NJ > branch of my Eastburn family. > > Alan > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006

Yes, sorry it is BELEVIDERE where the THEODORE PAUL mansion was. According to the History of Warren County, the THEODORE PAUL mansion was at the northeast corner of Market and water Street. Built prior to 1800, by THOMAS PAUL, who came here in 1792 or 1793. I am curious about this place and these people because my great grandfather's brother's name was THEODORE PAUL CUNNINGHAM b. 1874 in Washington NJ. I was puzzled about the PAUL as a middle name as no one in our family was or ever has been named PAUL. Maybe the mother worked for the PAUL family and just liked the sound of the name. Anyway, while reading the history of Warren County, I came across the reference to the PAUL family and that was why I asked. Thanks for the help. JUDY

Re:PAUL--I think you have the wrong town. To my knowledge there are no Market nor Water streets in Wash. They are in Belvidere at the traffic light. Don't know Paul - not in my family, but it seems to me I once heard the mansion was where the Food Mart is today, on the northwest corner. Warren Co. Hist. Soc may be able to help, or the Belvidere library. Good luck.

Surnames within this posting: WASHBURN, FRANK, WALTERS, FELTON, SCHARRS, ROCKAFELLOW, KIENZIE [Not of my known WASHBURN line] Obit of: Frank H. WASHBURN Microfilm - Easton Public Library, Easton, PA Obit from "The Easton Express", Easton, Northampton Co., PA [Tuesday 18 July 1933] Page # 13 [Header] Frank H. Washburn Frank H. Washburn, 38, of 739 Coal street, died this morning at the State Hospital, Allentown, after an illness of seven years.He was born in Washington, N.J., a son of Eugene Washburn, South Side, And the late Flora Washburn. He was a member of the Second Methodist Episcopal Church and was employed as a spinner by the Stewart Silk Corporation for about 14 years. Deceased is survived by his wife, Mrs. Beatrice Washburn; his father, Eugene Washburn; five children, Mrs. William Frank, of South Side; Eleanor, Frances, Bertha Mae and Frank, Jr., at home. He also leaves three sisters and three brothers, Mrs. Sue Walters, Miss Ella Washburn, Miss Grace Washburn, Grover and George Washburn, all of South side, and Marshall Washburn, of Wilson borough. Funeral Notice: Frank H. WASHBURN Microfilm - Easton Public Library, Easton, PA Obit from "The Easton Express", Easton, Northampton Co., PA [Friday 21 July 1933] Page # 17 [Header] Frank Washburn's Funeral The funeral of Frank H. washburn of 739 Coal street, was held at 2 o'clock this afternoon from the home of his sister, Miss Ella Washburn, 421 Lincoln street. Services were conducted by the Rev. Clarence B. Felton, pastor of the Second M.E. Church and burial was made in Hay's Cemetery. The pallbearers were George Washburn, Grover Washburn and Marshall Washburn, brothers of the deceased, and Willaim Scharrs, Walter Rockafellow and James Kienzie. [End]

Louis, I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Judi, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries Dear Marilyn, I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you desire I can send the info to you. Louis G Creveling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then piece > it > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one Martinus > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > like > that. > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > Library > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > area, > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last time > I > checked. > Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here >> at >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> Martinus >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> Judi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me >> if >> this has been pointed out previously. >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" >> who >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> Harmony >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> apparently >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> realized >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> helped >> to >> keep them straight. >> Marilyn >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once >> in >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > Judi, >> > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. >> I >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> Fries, >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> Martinus >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> baby's >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> named >> > Martinus Fries! >> > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! >> > >> > Jan >> > >> > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There >> are >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is >> one >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge >> and >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these >> names >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the >> other. >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marilyn, I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you desire I can send the info to you. Louis G Creveling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then piece > it > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one Martinus > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things > like > that. > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public > Library > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that > area, > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last time > I > checked. > Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here >> at >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> Martinus >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> Judi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me >> if >> this has been pointed out previously. >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" >> who >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> Harmony >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> apparently >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> realized >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> helped >> to >> keep them straight. >> Marilyn >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once >> in >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > Judi, >> > >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. >> I >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> > >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> Fries, >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> Martinus >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> > >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> > >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> baby's >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> named >> > Martinus Fries! >> > >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! >> > >> > Jan >> > >> > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There >> are >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is >> one >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge >> and >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these >> names >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the >> other. >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How strange! Jan, you caught my mixed metaphor, corrected it, then thought you were wrong, when, in fact, it was I who was wrong. I just checked what I wrote and see that I said "3000-word puzzle" when I meant "3000-piece puzzle." But I was also doing a crossword at the time! (I don't think I've ever seen a 3000 word puzzle!) In any case, genealogy is some kind of puzzle, that we can all agree on. M ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan@raub-and-more.com> To: "listserv WARREN-L" <NJWARREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [NJWARREN] Puzzle--correction > Ooops...I should have checked...Marilyn's doing a crossword puzzle, not > a jigsaw puzzle...but the idea is the same! > > Sorry, Marilyn...I should have known! > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I asked this question before but never received a response. Maybe the email got lost somewhere. Does anyone know anything about THEODORE PAUL who was the son of a prominent citzien of Warren County{ THOMAS PAUL} and who had a mansion. It was in Washington, corner of Market and Water Streets. JUDY

For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original documents having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then piece it together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one Martinus dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things like that. Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public Library web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that area, some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last time I checked. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too > literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is > said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here at > the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of Martinus > Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son > Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and > separating all of the Martinus'?????????? > > Thanks for any ideas you can provide. > > Judi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com> > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me > if > this has been pointed out previously. > But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" > who > wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in > Harmony > where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one > apparently > was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I > realized > that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal > grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" helped > to > keep them straight. > Marilyn > By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and > urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once in > your lifetime. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > > > Judi, > > > > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. > I > > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and > > Janetze) were all the same person. > > > > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna Fries, > > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: Martinus > > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. > > > > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were > > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name > > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a > > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or > > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the > > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me > > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept > > adding letters until he was exhausted. > > > > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. > > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the baby's > > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for > > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be named > > Martinus Fries! > > > > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! > > > > Jan > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> > >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am > >> To: "Njwarren-l" > <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>> > >> > >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There > are > >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna > >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is > one > >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge and > >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these > names > >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the > other. > >> > >> Judi, TN > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ooops...I should have checked...Marilyn's doing a crossword puzzle, not a jigsaw puzzle...but the idea is the same! Sorry, Marilyn...I should have known! Jan

Judi, You might also take a look at the wife's family. I show that Jannetje Fries (of of the wives of the various Martinuses) had the maiden name Winterstein. I believe this information came from Bob Smith...but my genealogy software sometimes shifts references on me! The first entry in the Knowlton listing is for Anna Gertraut, daughter of Martinus Fries and _____, witnesses John Wilhelm _____ and Anna Gertraut, wife of Philip Schneider. I wouldn't be surprise if the wife of this Martinus was Anna Gertraut--and that Anna Gertraut Schneider is her mother. Sometimes it helps to start with a theory, then work to either prove or disprove it. To use Marilyn's metaphor, you pick up a lot of pieces of that jigsaw puzzle before you find a fit! Jan

Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus is said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived here at the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of Martinus Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a son Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and separating all of the Martinus'?????????? Thanks for any ideas you can provide. Judi ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me if this has been pointed out previously. But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" who wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in Harmony where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one apparently was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I realized that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" helped to keep them straight. Marilyn By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once in your lifetime. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > Judi, > > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. I > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and > Janetze) were all the same person. > > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna Fries, > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: Martinus > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. > > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept > adding letters until he was exhausted. > > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the baby's > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be named > Martinus Fries! > > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! > > Jan > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> To: "Njwarren-l" <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There are >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is one >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge and >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these names >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the other. >> >> Judi, TN >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse me if this has been pointed out previously. But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and "senior" who wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in Harmony where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one apparently was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I realized that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a maternal grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" helped to keep them straight. Marilyn By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City and urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there once in your lifetime. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jan@raub-and-more.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > Judi, > > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. I > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and > Janetze) were all the same person. > > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna Fries, > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: Martinus > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. > > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept > adding letters until he was exhausted. > > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the baby's > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be named > Martinus Fries! > > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! > > Jan > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> From: oshaunessys@msn.com >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> To: "Njwarren-l" <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There are >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is one >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge and >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these names >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the other. >> >> Judi, TN >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judi, I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and son. I think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and Janetze) were all the same person. Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna Fries, born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: Martinus Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms were all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the name of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated or severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for the wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make me think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he kept adding letters until he was exhausted. It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus Fries. Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the baby's father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, for instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be named Martinus Fries! I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's helped...sorry! Jan > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > From: oshaunessys@msn.com > Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am > To: "Njwarren-l" <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com> > > I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There are 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is one married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these names I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the other. > > Judi, TN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. There are 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there is one married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with these names I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for the other. Judi, TN

I keep spelling it wrong. It's actually a diminutive. I keep spelling it dimunitive! More on diminutives, including Dutch, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminutive. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Martin Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:58 PM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Most languages have a dimunitive which is used to make something ordinary small and/or cute. In Spanish it is -ito or -ita. Thus Carlos becomes Carlito. Juana becomes Juanita. In English it's usually -y or -ie. John > Johnny. Anne > Annie. dog > doggy. cat > kitty. Some languages use dimunitives more frequently than others. In given names, it is often to distinguish between a child and a parent with the same name. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of oshaunessys@msn.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:48 AM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Thank you Shaun. Do you know why it was used with so many names? ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Martin<mailto:shaunmartin11@earthlink.net> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" The "tj" in Dutch is pronounced as "ch" in English. So Jannetje would be pronounced YAnecha. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of pjohnston356@adelphia.net<mailto:pjohnston356@adelphia.net> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:33 PM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Listers, I'm so glad this topic came up--I've wondered for a long time how the diminutive ending "tje" is pronounced. Is the "j" interchangable with an "i", and is it like the ending on "Susie" or "Katie"? I have Dutch ancestors and would like to know how to say the names. Thanks, Phyllis ---- oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> wrote: > Thank you!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: virginia miller<mailto:vjmill@telus.net<mailto:vjmill@telus.net>> > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb. com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" > > > I believe this is used in Dutch names as a diminutive. For example, > Jannetje meaning little Jane or Marritje meaning little Mary. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto: NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most languages have a dimunitive which is used to make something ordinary small and/or cute. In Spanish it is -ito or -ita. Thus Carlos becomes Carlito. Juana becomes Juanita. In English it's usually -y or -ie. John > Johnny. Anne > Annie. dog > doggy. cat > kitty. Some languages use dimunitives more frequently than others. In given names, it is often to distinguish between a child and a parent with the same name. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of oshaunessys@msn.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:48 AM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Thank you Shaun. Do you know why it was used with so many names? ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Martin<mailto:shaunmartin11@earthlink.net> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" The "tj" in Dutch is pronounced as "ch" in English. So Jannetje would be pronounced YAnecha. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of pjohnston356@adelphia.net<mailto:pjohnston356@adelphia.net> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:33 PM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Listers, I'm so glad this topic came up--I've wondered for a long time how the diminutive ending "tje" is pronounced. Is the "j" interchangable with an "i", and is it like the ending on "Susie" or "Katie"? I have Dutch ancestors and would like to know how to say the names. Thanks, Phyllis ---- oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com> wrote: > Thank you!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: virginia miller<mailto:vjmill@telus.net<mailto:vjmill@telus.net>> > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb. com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" > > > I believe this is used in Dutch names as a diminutive. For example, > Jannetje meaning little Jane or Marritje meaning little Mary. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto: NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Grietje would be GREE-cha. -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Dorothy Wray Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:10 PM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" Then how would you pronounce Grietje and what name is that a diminutive for? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Martin" <shaunmartin11@earthlink.net> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" > The "tj" in Dutch is pronounced as "ch" in English. So Jannetje would be > pronounced YAnecha. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > pjohnston356@adelphia.net > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:33 PM > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" > > > Listers, > I'm so glad this topic came up--I've wondered for a long time how the > diminutive ending "tje" is pronounced. Is the "j" interchangable with an > "i", and is it like the ending on "Susie" or "Katie"? I have Dutch > ancestors and would like to know how to say the names. > Thanks, Phyllis > ---- oshaunessys@msn.com wrote: >> Thank you!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: virginia miller<mailto:vjmill@telus.net> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] "tje" >> >> >> I believe this is used in Dutch names as a diminutive. For example, >> Jannetje meaning little Jane or Marritje meaning little Mary. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with > the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message