I have a Christopher or George Lefler who married a Person and they are buried in Harmony(announced in Easton Paper)----and I believe a bunch of Leflers lived in Harmony or South Harmony. I am interested because the father of these named Leflers was John who is buried at Strw Church. His father may be old Jacob of the German Lutheran Church in Williams,Pa -just across the River. But my John born about the same time seems to be descended from Peter d 1794 m Angl family and lived in Hunterdon CO-Oxford. I want to know how this all worked???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Souders" <msouders@nyc.rr.com> To: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@earthlink.net>; <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] (no subject) > I've discovered tavern applications at Hunterdon County, so would expect > the > same laws would apply in Warren. There, it seems, the person wanting to > run > a tavern needed to submit an affadavit of good character with names of > people who knew him. But, if before 1824, then you'd look at Sussex Co. > courthouse. > > If you've never been to Harmony, you may not realize that the building - > probaby - still exists. At least, a building that once was called Harmony > Hotel - and probably a lot of other names too - stands at the top of the > incline where 519 bends toward Belvidere (it's still 519 going toward > Belvidere, by the way). It's clearly an old building and in my lifetime - > last 60 years - someone had painted over the date on the chimney, but I > think it said 1783. What was the name of your family who owned it? I > think > I have a note somewhere saying that it was owned by a Person/Persing > family > too. > > Linda, I keep getting these mailings from you despite your telling me > you'd > removed my name: (Please try again) > > Linda Huff Muessig sent you this link last week: > > https://namesdatabase.com/3h.pl?t3=41940405594&s=nsender3 > > Please recall that Linda Huff Muessig sent you the above invitation last > week on 10-31-2006. Simply click on it above (if it is clickable), or > otherwise copy and paste it into the address bar of your Web browser. If > you > do not know a Linda Huff Muessig, then you may have been sent this message > in error. If you wish to deactivate further emails about this link that > was > sent to you, simply visit > https://namesdatabase.com/u.pl?cc3=41940405594&s=nsender3 > > One final reminder will be sent about this link one month after the > original > request to send you the link was made. > > Your Friends, > > The Names Database > 1253 North Research Way, Suite Q-2500 > Orem, UT 84097 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@earthlink.net> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:31 AM > Subject: [NJWARREN] (no subject) > > >> Does anyone know where I would find info on a tavern that was located in >> the area of Harker's Hollow Gulf course in Harmony? >> My father always told me that as you come out of Rte 519 onto the >> Belvidere Pike that my gr gr grandfather had a taven in the house that is >> located almost directly acrossed the street from that intersection. >> Thanks in advance. >> Linda Huff Muessig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda - There is currently a liquor store located in a house at the intersection. If you are coming from Harkers, it is on your right. What time frame are you talking about? Jodee Inscho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@earthlink.net> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] (no subject) > Does anyone know where I would find info on a tavern that was located in > the area of Harker's Hollow Gulf course in Harmony? > My father always told me that as you come out of Rte 519 onto the > Belvidere Pike that my gr gr grandfather had a taven in the house that is > located almost directly acrossed the street from that intersection. > Thanks in advance. > Linda Huff Muessig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've discovered tavern applications at Hunterdon County, so would expect the same laws would apply in Warren. There, it seems, the person wanting to run a tavern needed to submit an affadavit of good character with names of people who knew him. But, if before 1824, then you'd look at Sussex Co. courthouse. If you've never been to Harmony, you may not realize that the building - probaby - still exists. At least, a building that once was called Harmony Hotel - and probably a lot of other names too - stands at the top of the incline where 519 bends toward Belvidere (it's still 519 going toward Belvidere, by the way). It's clearly an old building and in my lifetime - last 60 years - someone had painted over the date on the chimney, but I think it said 1783. What was the name of your family who owned it? I think I have a note somewhere saying that it was owned by a Person/Persing family too. Linda, I keep getting these mailings from you despite your telling me you'd removed my name: (Please try again) Linda Huff Muessig sent you this link last week: https://namesdatabase.com/3h.pl?t3=41940405594&s=nsender3 Please recall that Linda Huff Muessig sent you the above invitation last week on 10-31-2006. Simply click on it above (if it is clickable), or otherwise copy and paste it into the address bar of your Web browser. If you do not know a Linda Huff Muessig, then you may have been sent this message in error. If you wish to deactivate further emails about this link that was sent to you, simply visit https://namesdatabase.com/u.pl?cc3=41940405594&s=nsender3 One final reminder will be sent about this link one month after the original request to send you the link was made. Your Friends, The Names Database 1253 North Research Way, Suite Q-2500 Orem, UT 84097 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@earthlink.net> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] (no subject) > Does anyone know where I would find info on a tavern that was located in > the area of Harker's Hollow Gulf course in Harmony? > My father always told me that as you come out of Rte 519 onto the > Belvidere Pike that my gr gr grandfather had a taven in the house that is > located almost directly acrossed the street from that intersection. > Thanks in advance. > Linda Huff Muessig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If the tavern had a bar that served liquor, there would be a petition signed for this. NJSA has some petitions on taverns that have bars. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Huff Muessig<mailto:lmuessig@earthlink.net> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: [NJWARREN] (no subject) Does anyone know where I would find info on a tavern that was located in the area of Harker's Hollow Gulf course in Harmony? My father always told me that as you come out of Rte 519 onto the Belvidere Pike that my gr gr grandfather had a taven in the house that is located almost directly acrossed the street from that intersection. Thanks in advance. Linda Huff Muessig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know where I would find info on a tavern that was located in the area of Harker's Hollow Gulf course in Harmony? My father always told me that as you come out of Rte 519 onto the Belvidere Pike that my gr gr grandfather had a taven in the house that is located almost directly acrossed the street from that intersection. Thanks in advance. Linda Huff Muessig

Is anyone on the list in Warren County and able to make copies of some Probate records? I have the references and will pay for your time. Thank you, Betty Malesky Green Valley, AZ "He alone deserves to be remembered by his children who treasures up and preserves the memory of his fathers." Edmund Burke, 1729-1797

Hello All, I have scanned and uploaded another 20 pages of the book "Collections of the New Jersey Historical Society Vol. IX". You can view the book at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006

Surnames within this posting: WASHBURN, WALTERS, BRUNCH [Not of my known WASHBURN line] Obit of: Flora C. WASHBURN Microfilm - Easton Public Library, Easton, PA Obit from "The Easton Express", Easton, Northampton Co., PA Saturday 4 August 1928 Page # 9 [Heading] Mrs. Eugene L. Washburn Mrs. Flora C. Washburn, 67 years old, wife of Eugene L. Washburn, of 1075 Berwick street, died of apoplexy at 6:25 o'clock last night. She was first stricken last December and two weeks ago suffered her second stroke. Mrs. Washburn was a native of Freemansburg. When a child she moved with her family to Washington, N. J.,where she resided for 35 years and for the past 30 years she had been a well known and highly respected resident of this city. She is survived by her husband and the following children: Mrs. Susan Walters, George, Grover, Grace, Ella, Frank and Marshall, all of Easton, and also by two brothers; Stewart Brunch, of Phillipsburg, and Harry Brunch, of Bloomfield, N.J. She was a member of the Washington, N.J. Presbyterian church.

Surnames within this posting: WASHBURN, REUMANN [Not of my known WASHBURN line] Funeral Notice of: Flora Catherine WASHBURN Microfilm - Easton Public Library, Easton, PA Notice from "The Easton Express", Easton, Northampton Co., PA 6 August 1928 Page # 16 [Heading] FUNERAL OF Mrs. WASHBURN The funeral of the late Mrs. Floa Catherine Washburn, wife of Eugene I. Washburn, was held this afternoon at 2:30, at her home 1076 Berwick Street. The Rev. W.P. Reumann, pastor St. Paul's Lutheran church, conducted the services and interment was made in Hay's cemetery. Relatives were pallbearers.

Surnames within this posting: WASHBURN, HANN, PITTENGER [Not of my known WASHBURN line] Obit of: John V. WASHBURN Microfilm - Easton Public Library, Easton, PA Obit from "The Easton Express", Easton, Northampton Co., PA Friday 7 May 1937 Page # 8 [Heading] John V. Washburn John V. Washburn, 85 years old, of Washington, died yesterday in a Trenton hospital where he had been a patient for some time. Mr. Washburn is survived by two daughters, Mrs. Hohn Hann, of Somerville, and Mrs. Arthur Pittenger, of Washington; also eight grandchildren and ten great-grandchildren. Leonard Washburn, of Easton, a brother, also survives. He was a member of the Washington Methodist Episcopal Church and also a member of the Ute Tribe., No. 80, of the Red Men.

OOPS ----- That should read "descendants", not "ancestors". Lyn

Are there any ancestors of James P. Snell, who penned "History of Sussex & Warren Counties, New Jersey", 1881 on this list? James P. Snell states, on page 534, of the above mentioned book: "Frederick Searles, from whose storehouse of written memoranda pertaining to the early history of Belvidere we have been permitted to make oft-repeated drafts, ........" Frederick Searles (1804-1894) is my gggrandfather. I have been trying to track down the above mentioned writings and have had no luck. Perhaps some of the "drafts" made by James Snell still exist. I am interested in obtaining copies. Or, perhaps someone on this list has an idea of where look. I have checked with my relatives in Belvidere, who live in the house Frederick Searles' built, but they have found no "writings". The Warren County Genealogical & Historical Society doesn't have them. Any ideas? Thank you, Lyn Magill-Hoch

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Phillipsburg Cemetery is just east of Hudson St. on Fillmore. I have great grandparents buried there. Richard Coleman Kenneth Maxwell wrote: > Thanks > Immediately after sending out this e-mail I went to Google Earth and found > off of Fillmore St., no where near the St. James & st. Phillips cemetery off > of Rt. 22. > Thank you all! > Cheers, > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of SEDORP@aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:29 PM > To: njwarren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Where Exactly is "Phillipsburg Cemetery"? > > > Ken, > Phillipsburg Cemetery is behind the Old Sts Philip and James Cemetery in the > > town of Phillipsburg not the new church cemetery on Rt. 22. Not sure of the > > name of the street, possibly Filmore Street??? > Hope this helps, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Immediately after sending out this e-mail I went to Google Earth and found off of Fillmore St., no where near the St. James & st. Phillips cemetery off of Rt. 22. Thank you all! Cheers, Ken -----Original Message----- From: njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njwarren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SEDORP@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:29 PM To: njwarren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Where Exactly is "Phillipsburg Cemetery"? Ken, Phillipsburg Cemetery is behind the Old Sts Philip and James Cemetery in the town of Phillipsburg not the new church cemetery on Rt. 22. Not sure of the name of the street, possibly Filmore Street??? Hope this helps, Cheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, Phillipsburg Cemetery is behind the Old Sts Philip and James Cemetery in the town of Phillipsburg not the new church cemetery on Rt. 22. Not sure of the name of the street, possibly Filmore Street??? Hope this helps, Cheryl

Local results for *cemetery* near *Phillipsburg, NJ 08865*<http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=cemetery&near=Phillipsburg,+NJ+08865&sa=X&oi=local&ct=title> Parish *Cemetery*-Saint Philip<http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=cemetery&near=Phillipsburg,+NJ+08865&radius=0.0&latlng=40693611,-75190556,463249094749944670&sa=X&oi=local&ct=result&cd=1>- 1.3 miles E - State Highway 22 - (908) 454-2800 Dutchman *Cemetery*<http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=cemetery&near=Phillipsburg,+NJ+08865&radius=0.0&latlng=40693611,-75190556,1001748216871986605&sa=X&oi=local&ct=result&cd=2>- 1.1 miles W - 40 S 4th St, Easton, PA 18042 - (610) 253-5366 Easton *Cemetery* Co<http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&q=cemetery&near=Phillipsburg,+NJ+08865&radius=0.0&latlng=40693611,-75190556,15414963063691236693&sa=X&oi=local&ct=result&cd=3>- 1.5 miles W - 401 N 7th St, Easton, PA 18042 - (610) 252-1741 Ken, I just googled the above. If you go to google and then type in the address you can get a satalite map. It's really neat. Ann On 10/27/06, Kenneth Maxwell <ken_max@verizon.net> wrote: > > The Warren County Cultural & Heritage Commission shows that Phillipsburg > Cemetery is behind St. Phillips & St. James Cemeteries. I was there today > and nothing shows Phillipsburg Cemetery, only St. James & St. Phillips. > The > only thing behind those two cemeteries is a corn field, high tension wires > and all the new developments besides Home Depot. > > Is Phillipsburg Cemetery now part of one of the two cemeteries and does > not > separate between them? > Help! > Cheers, > Ken > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

The Warren County Cultural & Heritage Commission shows that Phillipsburg Cemetery is behind St. Phillips & St. James Cemeteries. I was there today and nothing shows Phillipsburg Cemetery, only St. James & St. Phillips. The only thing behind those two cemeteries is a corn field, high tension wires and all the new developments besides Home Depot. Is Phillipsburg Cemetery now part of one of the two cemeteries and does not separate between them? Help! Cheers, Ken

I have several that way. No Martinous however. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Huff Muessig" <lmuessig@peoplepc.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > Often a surname was given as a first name. So perhaps you two are not so > far off as you think. It's worth investigation. > love and hugs and God bless, > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <njwarren-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:00 AM > Subject: NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Martinus Fries (Louis Creveling) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:12:23 -0400 >> From: "Louis Creveling" <creve@pinehurst.net> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001a01c6f858$bd8490f0$03aca941@testpc011> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Dear Judy, >> >> The family name is Martinius, not the given name. >> >> Louis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >>> Louis, >>> I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can >>> provide >>> will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Judi, TN >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> >>> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >>> >>> Dear Marilyn, >>> >>> I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you >>> desire I >>> can send the info to you. >>> >>> Louis G Creveling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marilyn Souders" >>> <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >>> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >>> >>> > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original >>> documents >>> > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then >>> piece >>> > it >>> > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many >>> > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one >>> Martinus >>> > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? >>> Things >>> > like >>> > that. >>> > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public >>> > Library >>> > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that >>> > area, >>> > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last >>> time >>> > I >>> > checked. >>> > Marilyn >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >>> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >>> >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites >>> Martinus >>> is >>> >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived >>> here >>> >> at >>> >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >>> >> Martinus >>> >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a >>> son >>> >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >>> >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >>> >> >>> >> Judi >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: Marilyn >>> Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >>> >> To: >>> njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so >>> excuse >>> me >>> >> if >>> >> this has been pointed out previously. >>> >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and >>> "senior" >>> >> who >>> >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >>> >> Harmony >>> >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >>> >> apparently >>> >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >>> >> realized >>> >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a >>> maternal >>> >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >>> >> helped >>> >> to >>> >> keep them straight. >>> >> Marilyn >>> >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake >>> City >>> and >>> >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there >>> once >>> >> in >>> >> your lifetime. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: >>> <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >>> >> To: >>> <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Judi, >>> >> > >>> >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and >>> son. >>> >> I >>> >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna >>> and >>> >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >>> >> > >>> >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >>> >> Fries, >>> >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >>> >> Martinus >>> >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >>> >> > >>> >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms >>> were >>> >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the >>> name >>> >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes >>> a >>> >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated >>> or >>> >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for >>> the >>> >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms >>> make >>> me >>> >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he >>> kept >>> >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >>> >> > >>> >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus >>> Fries. >>> >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >>> >> baby's >>> >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, >>> for >>> >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >>> >> named >>> >> > Martinus Fries! >>> >> > >>> >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's >>> helped...sorry! >>> >> > >>> >> > Jan >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >>> >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >>> >> >> From: >>> oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >>> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >>> >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >>> >> >>> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. >>> There >>> >> are >>> >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >>> >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there >>> is >>> >> one >>> >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, >>> Jannetge >>> >> and >>> >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with >>> these >>> >> names >>> >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for >>> the >>> >> other. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Judi, TN >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> >> >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ------------------------------- >>> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> > >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> with >>> >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> >> the message >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NJWARREN list administrator, send an email to >> NJWARREN-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NJWARREN mailing list, send an email to >> NJWARREN@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 >> *************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Often a surname was given as a first name. So perhaps you two are not so far off as you think. It's worth investigation. love and hugs and God bless, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <njwarren-request@rootsweb.com> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Martinus Fries (Louis Creveling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:12:23 -0400 > From: "Louis Creveling" <creve@pinehurst.net> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001a01c6f858$bd8490f0$03aca941@testpc011> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Judy, > > The family name is Martinius, not the given name. > > Louis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries > > >> Louis, >> I am the one researching Martinus Fries. Any information you can provide >> will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Judi, TN >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Louis Creveling<mailto:creve@pinehurst.net> >> To: njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> Dear Marilyn, >> >> I have the name Martinus married into the Creveling family. If you >> desire I >> can send the info to you. >> >> Louis G Creveling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Souders" >> <msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> > For me, the only way is to collect copies of ALL the original >> documents >> > having to do with that surname in that area for that time and then >> piece >> > it >> > together like a 3000-word puzzle. Once you have records for as many >> > Martinus(es) as exist, you can start to detect patterns...is one >> Martinus >> > dead by TK year but another selling property in the same year? Things >> > like >> > that. >> > Again, I remind people on this board to check the Easton (PA) Public >> > Library >> > web site where they're posting all the church record indexes for that >> > area, >> > some of which include NJ records. They were up to the letter K last >> time >> > I >> > checked. >> > Marilyn >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> > To: <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:48 PM >> > Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> > >> > >> >> Thank you Jan and Marilyn. Guess I was taking the info too >> >> literally....at least the spelling. On other internet sites Martinus >> is >> >> said to be the brother of Johannes Fries and they may have arrived >> here >> >> at >> >> the same time. I can only assume that Martinus Jr. is the son of >> >> Martinus >> >> Sr and nephew to Johannes. But...............Johannes also named a >> son >> >> Martinus. How would you go about determining who belonged to who and >> >> separating all of the Martinus'?????????? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any ideas you can provide. >> >> >> >> Judi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Marilyn >> Souders<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com<mailto:msouders@nyc.rr.com>> >> >> To: >> njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:20 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> >> >> >> i'm just getting back to my email after a 2-week vacation, so excuse >> me >> >> if >> >> this has been pointed out previously. >> >> But...you could have men with the same name named "junior" and >> "senior" >> >> who >> >> wouldn't necessarily be father and son also. I have such a case in >> >> Harmony >> >> where the men were only about 11 years apart (and the older one >> >> apparently >> >> was a childless bachelor) and this devilled me for a while till I >> >> realized >> >> that their mothers were sisters and they were both named for a >> maternal >> >> grandfather. Living in the same township, the extra "j r" or "sr" >> >> helped >> >> to >> >> keep them straight. >> >> Marilyn >> >> By the way, I just spent a week at the LDS library in Salt Lake City >> and >> >> urge anyone who's serious about genealogical research to go there >> once >> >> in >> >> your lifetime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> <jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com<mailto:jan@raub-and-more.com>>> >> >> To: >> <njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com<mailto:njwarren@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:48 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> >> >> >> > Judi, >> >> > >> >> > I think that there were two men named Martinus Fries--father and >> son. >> >> I >> >> > think that Jannroe, Jannetge and Johanetta (as well as Johanna and >> >> > Janetze) were all the same person. >> >> > >> >> > Note this baptism: Anna, daughter of Martinus Fries and Johanna >> >> Fries, >> >> > born February 9, 1777, and baptized March 23, 1777. Witnesses: >> >> Martinus >> >> > Fries, Sr., and Anna Maria Fries. >> >> > >> >> > The spellings for all the names in these and most early baptisms >> were >> >> > all over the place. I've come to the conclusion that, given the >> name >> >> > of the church, sometimes they had an English minister, sometimes a >> >> > German minister...and that all the ministers were barely educated >> or >> >> > severely learning disabled...with hearing loss which accounts for >> the >> >> > wild spellings! A lot of these old German and Dutch baptisms make >> me >> >> > think that the minister didn't know how to spell the names, so he >> kept >> >> > adding letters until he was exhausted. >> >> > >> >> > It's also possible that we're looking at cousins named Martinus >> Fries. >> >> > Remember that the first son born to a couple was named after the >> >> baby's >> >> > father's father. So if a man named Martinus Fries had 10 sons, >> for >> >> > instance, and each of his sons had a son, all those sons might be >> >> named >> >> > Martinus Fries! >> >> > >> >> > I know this has muddied the waters far more than it's >> helped...sorry! >> >> > >> >> > Jan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> >> Subject: [NJWARREN] Martinus Fries >> >> >> From: >> oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com<mailto:oshaunessys@msn.com>> >> >> >> Date: Sat, October 21, 2006 4:15 am >> >> >> To: "Njwarren-l" >> >> >> <Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:Njwarren-l@rootsweb.com>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have before me the baptism records for the Knowlton Church. >> There >> >> are >> >> >> 4 Martinus Fries listed having children. One is married to Anna >> >> >> Gertruda, another to Jannroe, another to Jannetge and then there >> is >> >> one >> >> >> married to Johannetta. Does anyone know whether Jannroe, >> Jannetge >> >> and >> >> >> Johanetta could be the same persons? Not being familiar with >> these >> >> names >> >> >> I just wondered whether one of them could be a "nick name" for >> the >> >> other. >> >> >> >> >> >> Judi, TN >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com>> >> with >> >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> >> the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com> with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NJWARREN list administrator, send an email to > NJWARREN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NJWARREN mailing list, send an email to > NJWARREN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJWARREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NJWARREN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 32 > ***************************************