Has anyone ever heard of the McNamees or Smiths in Warren County between 1870-1880? I have a G-Grandmother, Mary McNamee, who married a Thomas Smith in 1870 in Easton Pa. I think They lived in Phillipsburg. In 1880 She is in Lopatcong Twp. with 2 little Daughters alone. Her Husband, Thomas, (according to "Family Lore") was supposed to have died before the Birth of 2nd Daughter. Some say He got run over by a Train. I am completely Brick-walled on My Family. I cannot find any trace of them before the Marriage. Nor where They went after 1880. Somehow I did get a Death Certificate on Mary. She remarried and in 1900 is in Essex Co. NJ. Can anyone help or lead me in the right direction. Pat

Seeking information on ancestry of John LOMISON/LAMBERTSON b. ca 1805 New Jersey, married July 16, 1822 in Belvidere, Sussex Co. [now Warren Co.] NJ to Sarah A. WILLSON. In later records the name is recorded as LAMBERTSON. John moved to Butler Co., OH circa 1835-1838, was in Franklin Co., IN in 1840, then back to Butler Co. until his death in 1875. Travis LeMaster _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net

Town Clerks of Warren County Area Code (908) Allamuchy Township (1930) Ann Maria 852-5132 Boroough of Alpha 454-0088 Town of Belvidere (1920-1940 destroyed) 1848 handwritten 475-5331 Town of Blairstown 362-6663 Franklin Twp (1939) 689-3994 Frelinghuysen Twp 852-4121 Greenwich Twp 859-0909 Town of Hackettstown 852-3130 Hardwick Twp (Pahaquarry) 362-8315 Harmony Twp (1848) 475-4711 Hope Twp 459-5011 Independence Twp 637-4133 Knowlton Twp 496-4816 Liberty Twp 637-4579 Lopatcong Twp 859-3355 Mansfield Twp 689-6151 Oxford Twp 453-3098 Town of Phillipsburg (1920) 454-5500 Ext. 204 or 209 Pohatcong Twp 454-6121 Borough of Washington 689-3600 or 689-3602 Washington Twp 689-7200 White Twp 475-2093 State of New Jersey Registrar (609) 292-4087 CN 370 To order by credit card (609) 633-2860 Trenton, NJ Fax# (609) 392-4292 Division of Vital Records 101 S. Mercer Street P. O. Box 1528 New Castle, PA 16103-1528 (412) 656-3100 Northampton County Register of Wills (610) 559-3092 I received a sheet with the above information from the Surrogates Office at the Warren County Courthouse. Hope this information is helpful to someone. Sue

If it makes you feel any better, New Jersey is not the only state doing this. I requested my ex-husband's birth certificate from Colorado, and they refused to send it to me. Personally, I think most of them just don't want to be bothered with looking it up, copying and mailing. Good Luck Hunting [email protected] wrote: > Jodee: > > It appears you reside or work in the area where my ancestors resided. I must > have missed the time period that vitals are available in Warren county, > particularly birth and death. I saw the message that says you have to have > very specific information in order to obtain a record. Does this apply even > to records that are pre-1900? Is an index of names maintained by each county? > Can someone write and just ask if the name appears in the index for a > specific date or time period? Can someone get a copy of the page of names > for a specific time period so that a record can be ordered later like you can > for the grantor-grantee indexes? > > It can certainly be frustrating if we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle > that is now required. This is exactly the reason a genealogist is looking > for the birth certificates: to confirm or ascertain a parents name that > matches with a child's name, an exact date of the event rather than an > approximate date of an event based on the age given in another record we > might have; i.e. the census, a marriage age, or death certificate. Or even > to verify information provided by another researcher. > > As an example of this would be what I discovered last night when I was > reviewing the marriage vitals for Oakland County, MI. Another researcher > provided the surname name of the spouse to be White and the date of the > marriage. When I went to the indiex of names to ascertain if they were > married in that county, I found the entry and it showed her surname to be > Wallace and not White. The only way I will know for sure that her maiden > name was Wallace and not White would be to check for a death record to see if > her parents names were listed as Wallace or White. Because of the time > period of the marriage, I will have a problem researching ithe death records > because the microfilm ends in 1937. If she died after that date, I will be > out of luck to verify this surname. > > I know that the early marriages have been published in volumes and are on > microfilm at the LDS but I have not found birth records or death records to > be on film. At least not yet that I know of. Probably because I don't need > modern records. Is the modern records--those after 1900--that have the > requirement for more particulars because there is a chance that the person > may still be living? Or is it just a concern that someone is going to get a > birth record for a deceased child and then taken on that persona? > > Any help would be appreciated. Oh, the time period I need for vitals would > be pre-revolution to about 1860. Most of my people on my direct line have > left the state by that time, but I can sympathize with those who are seeking > "modern" records if the requirements to obtain records means you need to have > ALL the information to obtain the record. As set out above, this may be hard > to do if you don't have information to fill in the blanks. Some allowance > needs to be made for missing pieces and being "hardline" is a tough decision > to make and is perhaps going overboard to protect "the privacy" of an > individual record. Can the state or municipal agency really "control" those > individuals who are seeking records for illegtimate purposes? I don't think > so. > > Christie Trapp > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jodee: It appears you reside or work in the area where my ancestors resided. I must have missed the time period that vitals are available in Warren county, particularly birth and death. I saw the message that says you have to have very specific information in order to obtain a record. Does this apply even to records that are pre-1900? Is an index of names maintained by each county? Can someone write and just ask if the name appears in the index for a specific date or time period? Can someone get a copy of the page of names for a specific time period so that a record can be ordered later like you can for the grantor-grantee indexes? It can certainly be frustrating if we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle that is now required. This is exactly the reason a genealogist is looking for the birth certificates: to confirm or ascertain a parents name that matches with a child's name, an exact date of the event rather than an approximate date of an event based on the age given in another record we might have; i.e. the census, a marriage age, or death certificate. Or even to verify information provided by another researcher. As an example of this would be what I discovered last night when I was reviewing the marriage vitals for Oakland County, MI. Another researcher provided the surname name of the spouse to be White and the date of the marriage. When I went to the indiex of names to ascertain if they were married in that county, I found the entry and it showed her surname to be Wallace and not White. The only way I will know for sure that her maiden name was Wallace and not White would be to check for a death record to see if her parents names were listed as Wallace or White. Because of the time period of the marriage, I will have a problem researching ithe death records because the microfilm ends in 1937. If she died after that date, I will be out of luck to verify this surname. I know that the early marriages have been published in volumes and are on microfilm at the LDS but I have not found birth records or death records to be on film. At least not yet that I know of. Probably because I don't need modern records. Is the modern records--those after 1900--that have the requirement for more particulars because there is a chance that the person may still be living? Or is it just a concern that someone is going to get a birth record for a deceased child and then taken on that persona? Any help would be appreciated. Oh, the time period I need for vitals would be pre-revolution to about 1860. Most of my people on my direct line have left the state by that time, but I can sympathize with those who are seeking "modern" records if the requirements to obtain records means you need to have ALL the information to obtain the record. As set out above, this may be hard to do if you don't have information to fill in the blanks. Some allowance needs to be made for missing pieces and being "hardline" is a tough decision to make and is perhaps going overboard to protect "the privacy" of an individual record. Can the state or municipal agency really "control" those individuals who are seeking records for illegtimate purposes? I don't think so. Christie Trapp

Dear Listers: I know that it's frustrating knowing that the document you need is unavailable. But one thing we all have to remember is that these offices were set up to supply birth, marriage and death certificates mainly for legal purposes - obtaining a driver's license or passport, processing an insurance claim, filing probate, etc. They were never set up to deal with the rush of requests from genealogists, nor do we have any right to our g-g-g-grand uncle's marriage certificate. It's the same with church and cemetery records - they belong to the church or cemetery organization, and it is their option to make them available to us. Having said that, remember that the government is made up of elected officials, so if you disagree with the policy, write to your state senator and/or governor. Perhaps there is some way to make the older information available. Your friendly neighborhood listowner, Judy ===== Judy Jamieson Pisano [email protected] "The Bird Families of New Jersey" <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~birdnj> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

This week I called for info. regarding a death record from 1879 in Warren Co. I have the name, date, place and think I know the parents. The very nice person on the phone said I MUST know the parents and if you don't know the parents it will be sent back.What do they think the purpose of obtaining the record is. They are returning at least five a day. She put me through to the administrator, He was totaly unaware that I could obtain a copy of the complete SS Application about 3 mo. after death, also many of these records can be obtained through LDS. He also told me this was was done since 11 Sep, because of fraud etc. Everything can't be blamed on 11 Sep. After more discussion he said "nothing is written in blood yet". Brenda from Michigan

Jodee, Possibly you could help me. I do not have that much of the info, but last year I sent to New Jersey for my wife's mother's birth certificate and the responce was " Not on record-Unable to find" I have her name and date of birth and that's about all for sure. Her parents were suppose to be Harry Vusler and Susan Brown, both of which I have not been able to find a thread of info on. If you think you might be able to help, you can e-mail me personally at [email protected] I would appreciate any/all help you could give me. Paul in Columbia County,Pa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Inscho" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [NJWARREN] OBTAINING NJ DOCUMENTS > Hello Susan - and others, > While it is disappointing that your request was returned - I would like to > address the unfortunate circumstances that have brought about the change in > access. As a Municipal Clerk and a die-hard geneaologist, I have always been > torn about the apparent ease in which records are (were) available. > > Consider the following very real scenario that happens more often than > people probably realize: A 30-year old individual looks back in the > newspapers from 25 years ago, and finds an article or obituary for a 5-year > old child that died. They find out the child's name, birthdate, parents and > place of birth. They now go to the state Dept. of Vital Statistics, or the > local town, and get a copy of that child's birth certificate. Knowing that > this child never grew up to get a driver's license of SS number, they can > very easily assume this child's identity. A birth cert, DL, and SS card in > their name, credit cards, etc. It's that simple. > > While the renewed adherence to these strict regulations are surely to be an > obstacle to the family historian, it is unfortunately necessary. It should > be noted, that the State rchives DOES have birth certs. up to 1923, and > marriage and deaths up to 1940. Presumably, the individuals being born or > married after these dates are still alive, and I have to agree that there > should be some amount of privacy over these more recent records. > > The state did send all Municipal Clerks copies of the regulations and urged > us to follow them as well. I have found that it is easier (and certainly > faster!) to get records from the town rather than the state. Hopefully you > will get a friendly, helpful town clerk (like me :-) !!!) who is more than > happy to help. I can usually tell the people who are asking for records for > legitimate purposes from those with less than ideal motives. > Susan, is there a record you are looking for that I can try to help with? > > Jodee Inscho > Belvidere, NJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan J Fevola" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:27 PM > Subject: [NJWARREN] OBTAINING NJ DOCUMENTS > > > > Hi, > > > > Just thought I would let everyone know about how difficult it is and will > > be in the future to receive birth/marriage/death certificates from the > > state of New Jersey. > > > > I sent for a couple of birth certificates and my request was returned > > with an attached statement. > > > > "Effective immediately, there will no longer be searches for multiple > > years-only ONE year. Bureau of Vital Statistics will no longer accept a > > request for birth/marriage or death records unless the following is > > supplied: > > > > EXACT name that is recorded on the record > > EXACT place of birth/marriage or death (city) > > EXACT date of birth/marriage/death (month,day,year) > > Mother's MAIDEN NAME > > Father's name (when recorded) > > "THERE WILL BE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE" > > > > Well, I guess if I HAD all that info, I wouldn't need the document would > > I, except to verify my info. I sent for one with everything except the > > city. I had the county. Another one I was missing the mother's maiden > > name. They were both returned. Any idea how I can learn the mother's > > maiden name without a birth/marriage/death certificate or in what city an > > individual born/married/died? > > > > One more example of how New Jersey makes it so difficult for us to obtain > > info on our ancestors. I was born, raised and currently live in New > > Jersey, so I feel I have the right to complain and be annoyed at their > > attitude. > > > > This is the policy of the Bureau of Vital Statistics which have documents > > from 1878 to the present. Hopefully the State Archives will not adopt > > this policy and make it difficult to obtain documents from 1848-1878. > > > > Susan > > [email protected] > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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Hello Susan - and others, While it is disappointing that your request was returned - I would like to address the unfortunate circumstances that have brought about the change in access. As a Municipal Clerk and a die-hard geneaologist, I have always been torn about the apparent ease in which records are (were) available. Consider the following very real scenario that happens more often than people probably realize: A 30-year old individual looks back in the newspapers from 25 years ago, and finds an article or obituary for a 5-year old child that died. They find out the child's name, birthdate, parents and place of birth. They now go to the state Dept. of Vital Statistics, or the local town, and get a copy of that child's birth certificate. Knowing that this child never grew up to get a driver's license of SS number, they can very easily assume this child's identity. A birth cert, DL, and SS card in their name, credit cards, etc. It's that simple. While the renewed adherence to these strict regulations are surely to be an obstacle to the family historian, it is unfortunately necessary. It should be noted, that the State rchives DOES have birth certs. up to 1923, and marriage and deaths up to 1940. Presumably, the individuals being born or married after these dates are still alive, and I have to agree that there should be some amount of privacy over these more recent records. The state did send all Municipal Clerks copies of the regulations and urged us to follow them as well. I have found that it is easier (and certainly faster!) to get records from the town rather than the state. Hopefully you will get a friendly, helpful town clerk (like me :-) !!!) who is more than happy to help. I can usually tell the people who are asking for records for legitimate purposes from those with less than ideal motives. Susan, is there a record you are looking for that I can try to help with? Jodee Inscho Belvidere, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan J Fevola" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [NJWARREN] OBTAINING NJ DOCUMENTS > Hi, > > Just thought I would let everyone know about how difficult it is and will > be in the future to receive birth/marriage/death certificates from the > state of New Jersey. > > I sent for a couple of birth certificates and my request was returned > with an attached statement. > > "Effective immediately, there will no longer be searches for multiple > years-only ONE year. Bureau of Vital Statistics will no longer accept a > request for birth/marriage or death records unless the following is > supplied: > > EXACT name that is recorded on the record > EXACT place of birth/marriage or death (city) > EXACT date of birth/marriage/death (month,day,year) > Mother's MAIDEN NAME > Father's name (when recorded) > "THERE WILL BE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE" > > Well, I guess if I HAD all that info, I wouldn't need the document would > I, except to verify my info. I sent for one with everything except the > city. I had the county. Another one I was missing the mother's maiden > name. They were both returned. Any idea how I can learn the mother's > maiden name without a birth/marriage/death certificate or in what city an > individual born/married/died? > > One more example of how New Jersey makes it so difficult for us to obtain > info on our ancestors. I was born, raised and currently live in New > Jersey, so I feel I have the right to complain and be annoyed at their > attitude. > > This is the policy of the Bureau of Vital Statistics which have documents > from 1878 to the present. Hopefully the State Archives will not adopt > this policy and make it difficult to obtain documents from 1848-1878. > > Susan > [email protected] > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Wondering if anyone has come across any information for WILLIAM P. PIERSON & his wife EMILY GILROY in the Phillipsburg area. William served in the Civil War and was reportedly held and then released by the South. Thank you for any help. Mike

Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know about how difficult it is and will be in the future to receive birth/marriage/death certificates from the state of New Jersey. I sent for a couple of birth certificates and my request was returned with an attached statement. "Effective immediately, there will no longer be searches for multiple years-only ONE year. Bureau of Vital Statistics will no longer accept a request for birth/marriage or death records unless the following is supplied: EXACT name that is recorded on the record EXACT place of birth/marriage or death (city) EXACT date of birth/marriage/death (month,day,year) Mother's MAIDEN NAME Father's name (when recorded) "THERE WILL BE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE" Well, I guess if I HAD all that info, I wouldn't need the document would I, except to verify my info. I sent for one with everything except the city. I had the county. Another one I was missing the mother's maiden name. They were both returned. Any idea how I can learn the mother's maiden name without a birth/marriage/death certificate or in what city an individual born/married/died? One more example of how New Jersey makes it so difficult for us to obtain info on our ancestors. I was born, raised and currently live in New Jersey, so I feel I have the right to complain and be annoyed at their attitude. This is the policy of the Bureau of Vital Statistics which have documents from 1878 to the present. Hopefully the State Archives will not adopt this policy and make it difficult to obtain documents from 1848-1878. Susan [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I am looking for information concerning the descendants of ALFRED GWINNUP. He was born 15 June 1808 and died 21 August 1888, the son of DR. JABEZ GWINNUP and HANNAH WOOD. Alfred married REBECCA KONKLE, the daughter of JACOB and MARGARET KONKLE. They had at least four daughters, LAURA GWINNUP (possibly born 1833), EMMA GWINNUP (died in 1868), ALICE GWINNUP (possibly born 1848) and MARY ANNA GWINNUP (who died of scarlet fever on 10 December 1854). I need information concerning the girls' dates of birth and data on any other children. Thanks! Esther Read

I drove to Rutgers New Jersey on Monday to do some research. During part of the three hour drive I was listening to the "Diane Reem Show" on National Public Radio. The Gail Norton, Sec. of the Interior was on the show. One of the callers asked about the web site problem and the department's mail problems. Sec. Norton replied that they are diligently working to remedy the web problem. As to the US mail, the DOI has just started receiving mail again. Their mail comes through the Brentwood Postal Station which as you all know was the location of one of the anthrax letters in D.C. It has been weeks since the DOI has received any snail mail. Mail devilery started back up this week. I am not discouraging you from writing to the DOI should you decide to, but bear in mind that it will be quite awhile before your letter is answered as they have 6 to 8 weeks of mail to go through. A phone call might work better. Esther Read

Greetings;       Since we've been takling about Pennsylvania, I thought I'd add a few words. It is of interest that many of those living in Warren and Sussex Counties, New Jersey later moved to the Newton-Ransom area of Northeastern Pennsylvania (outside of Scranton). In fact, Newton Township was actually named for Newton, New Jersey. My POWELL ancestors were among those that moved to the Ransom Township area fron Warren County. There is a site on genealogy in Newton-Ransom. I guarantee that if you have ancestors in Warren or Sussex Coutnies, NJ, you'd find them or at least a relation on this site. <A HREF="http://geocities.yahoo.com/toto?s=76000008">Ransom and Newton Townships, PA</A> Thanks, Frank Keenan Newton Township, PA Frank Keenan

The Easton Library's web site is at www.eastonpl.org I believe the library opens at 9:00am and the Marx Room(located inside the main library)opens at 10:00am,closes at 12 noon,reopens at 1:00pm and closes at 4:00pm,Mon. - Fri. Sat. it's hours are 9:am to 12 noon and 1:00pm to 5:00pm. It's a grat source and the staff is very helpful. Bob On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:59:50 -0500 peggyt <[email protected]> writes: > Easton Public Library has a website. I do not know hwhat it is off > hand. but I do > believe that if you put Easton Public Library in a search engine you > will get it. > Hours and information on the Marx room will be on there. They have > extensive > informtion. The Marx collection began over 75 years ago. > Peggy > > Marshall Lake wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm thinking of going to Easton, Pa and spending a couple of days > in mid > > February doing research in the Marx Room. I've never been to the > library > > or the city before. I've heard so many good things about the > library. > > > > Most of my research centers in Warren and Hunterdon Counties, NJ. > I've > > run into walls and I need to expand my research into eastern Pa. > I > > understand the Marx Room contains much material concerning all > these > > areas. > > > > I'd appreciate anyone's words of wisdom concerning the town and > the > > library. What are the library hours? Where's a good place to > stay? > > What should I expect to find in the Marx Room? Is there research > material > > there that is not available anywhere else? How much material is > there? > > What percentage of the materials that they have there am I going > to be > > able to see in two days? Maybe an index of their materials is > available > > enabling me to plan what I want to look at beforehand? > > > > Are there any other questions I should be asking? > > > > I appreciate any feedback at all. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Marshall Lake -- [email protected] -- http://melake.erols.com > > LAKE (Pa/NY/NJ) KILLE (NY/Germany) THAYNE (Pa/Ireland) KUHL/COOL > (NJ) > > KIERNAN (Pa) GARRISON (NJ) ROBINS (NJ) DECKELMAN (NY/Germany) > > LEINENBERG (Germany) GIERSBACH (NJ/Germany) MARTIN (Pa) SULM (NY) > > KISHPAUGH (NJ/Pa) LINABERRY (Pa/NJ) > > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the listowner at: [email protected] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Easton Public Library has a website. I do not know hwhat it is off hand. but I do believe that if you put Easton Public Library in a search engine you will get it. Hours and information on the Marx room will be on there. They have extensive informtion. The Marx collection began over 75 years ago. Peggy Marshall Lake wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm thinking of going to Easton, Pa and spending a couple of days in mid > February doing research in the Marx Room. I've never been to the library > or the city before. I've heard so many good things about the library. > > Most of my research centers in Warren and Hunterdon Counties, NJ. I've > run into walls and I need to expand my research into eastern Pa. I > understand the Marx Room contains much material concerning all these > areas. > > I'd appreciate anyone's words of wisdom concerning the town and the > library. What are the library hours? Where's a good place to stay? > What should I expect to find in the Marx Room? Is there research material > there that is not available anywhere else? How much material is there? > What percentage of the materials that they have there am I going to be > able to see in two days? Maybe an index of their materials is available > enabling me to plan what I want to look at beforehand? > > Are there any other questions I should be asking? > > I appreciate any feedback at all. Thanks. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- [email protected] -- http://melake.erols.com > LAKE (Pa/NY/NJ) KILLE (NY/Germany) THAYNE (Pa/Ireland) KUHL/COOL (NJ) > KIERNAN (Pa) GARRISON (NJ) ROBINS (NJ) DECKELMAN (NY/Germany) > LEINENBERG (Germany) GIERSBACH (NJ/Germany) MARTIN (Pa) SULM (NY) > KISHPAUGH (NJ/Pa) LINABERRY (Pa/NJ) > > ==== NJWARREN Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi everyone, I'm thinking of going to Easton, Pa and spending a couple of days in mid February doing research in the Marx Room. I've never been to the library or the city before. I've heard so many good things about the library. Most of my research centers in Warren and Hunterdon Counties, NJ. I've run into walls and I need to expand my research into eastern Pa. I understand the Marx Room contains much material concerning all these areas. I'd appreciate anyone's words of wisdom concerning the town and the library. What are the library hours? Where's a good place to stay? What should I expect to find in the Marx Room? Is there research material there that is not available anywhere else? How much material is there? What percentage of the materials that they have there am I going to be able to see in two days? Maybe an index of their materials is available enabling me to plan what I want to look at beforehand? Are there any other questions I should be asking? I appreciate any feedback at all. Thanks. -- Marshall Lake -- [email protected] -- http://melake.erols.com LAKE (Pa/NY/NJ) KILLE (NY/Germany) THAYNE (Pa/Ireland) KUHL/COOL (NJ) KIERNAN (Pa) GARRISON (NJ) ROBINS (NJ) DECKELMAN (NY/Germany) LEINENBERG (Germany) GIERSBACH (NJ/Germany) MARTIN (Pa) SULM (NY) KISHPAUGH (NJ/Pa) LINABERRY (Pa/NJ)

I stumbled across a website that has the most beautiful photographs from the turn of the century 1880-1920. Photos of all kinds of things and places. I found photos of all the ocean liners (6 of them) that my ancestors came over on from Europe. I found photos of many cemeteries, monuments, buildings. "Touring Turn of the Century America, Photographs from the Detroit Publishing Company. 1880-1920. According to the site this publishing company is or was a division of the Library of Congress. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/detroit/detrSubjects01.html Susan

If you check out the HANDYBOOK, which is a genealogical goldmine for all researchers you will soon discover that not only was Warren county once a part of Sussex County, but it was also part of Morris County and before that Hunterdon county. The original county was Burlington. By checking this source/resource, you will learn the time line for the breakout of each. Warren wasn't formed until 1824, so anyone with people in New Jersey and in that area needs to find out the date when each county was formed. This book should be included among every genealogists personal library along with others. It doesn't matter which volume you get, current or an older one, the dates aren't going to change from edition to edition, just some other info might be included or retracted in subsequent issues. I believe it might be up to the 9th or 10th edition, but if you have earlier ones, they work just as well for New Jersey research. Your local public library should also have a copy in their reference section. If you can't afford a personal copy, go to the public library and copy out the information for your particular states of interest and put the copy into a binder or file folder for future reference when researching. Also, keep in mind that the first census you can lay your hands on is the 1830 for any county of research in New Jersey. All those before that time have been destroyed and do not exist. This makes doing research in New Jersey a challenge! Christie Trapp

When I pulled together the information from Snell yesterday I had the feeling that the information for Hope Township was not entirely all there. My understanding has always been that the northern portion of what is now Hope Township was once part of Knowlton Township and the southern part of the township came from Oxford. However, Snell only mentions Oxford in his description of the civic organization of Hope Township. I looked through two other resouces I have concerning the history and geography of New Jersey. And low and behold, in 1839, Hope Township was formed from BOTH Knowlton and Oxford Township. The first resource: Thomas F. Gordon "A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey" Reprint of the 1834 Edition Family Line Publications, Westminster, 1995 Gordon describes the village of Hope as a post town being "on the line dividing Knowlton from Oxford t-ship..." (page 68). He further describes Hope as a post town in Knowlton Township (page 76). However, he does not mention the village of Hope as being part of Oxford Township (page 112). Remember, the Gazetteer was published in 1834, before Hope Township had been created. The second resource: John W. Barber and Henry Howe "Historical Collections of the State of New Jersey" Reprint of the 1846 Edition, Clearfield Publishing Co. Printed by the Geneological Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1995 By the time this work was published, Hope Township was 7 years old. Barber and Howe state that "Hope was formed from Oxford and Knowlton in 1839" (page 491). So, if you are looking for records concerning ancestors in Hope (the township or village) prior to 1839, you need to check in Knowlton and Oxford Township. I am willing to do look-ups of towns in my copy of the 1834 Gazetteer. Please limit requests to two towns per email. Why don't we do it through the list? I will print answers on the list so everyone can share... As you can see the second resource was published in Baltimore...and right now we are up by 9 points (sorry Dolphins fans), I need to return to "Festivus Maximus II" (i.e. the play off game)!!!!!!!