Whoops, I usually defer to Harman as he is generally more accurate than I. But in this case I can give many examples for both yes and no being correct. Here are several: Andrew Hetfield Ludlow b. 15 May 1807, bapt 18 Oct 1807 in Westfield twp. married Ann Marsh. Andrew Hetfield Ludlow was the son of David Ludlow who married Abigail Hetfield 10 April 1793. David Ludlow bapt. 28 may 1775, Westfield Twp, was the son of John Ludlum who married Hannah Ross 13 April 1760 Westfield twp. Obadiah Ludlum and his wife Sarah came from Southampton to Elizabethtown and eventually settlled in what became Westfield twp. Their son, Obadiah married Phebe Marsh 22 nov 1759, and had about 10 children. Some of their sons started spelling the name Ludlow except Jacob. Jacob Ludlum (1760/1 - 1838) married Margaret Pool (1766-1854) and they are buried together in the Old Colonial Cemetery in Westfield. Their son Jacob and his wife, Anna Clark, are also buried there with young children, but they finally spelled the name Ludlow. In Westfield, the older generations spelled it Ludlum prior to 1830 but in general the same but younger family members spelled the name Ludlow after 1830. Father and son buried side-by-side, the older tombstone says Ludlum the newer one says Ludlow. On the other hand, all of the Ludlows who settled over the hill in New Providence and are related to Major General Benjamin Ludlow (War of 1812), all spell it LUDLOW as did his father, Col. Cornelius Ludlow, (Rev. War soldier, d. 1812 age 83), and his father, Jeremiah Ludlow, who died 1764 age 66. It appears that this family always spelled their name Ludlow and it was never Ludlum in any of the New Providence Presbyterian church records. All of their tombstones in the New Providence Pres. cemetery say "Ludlow". Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harman Clark" <hrclarkjr@kingcon.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > You ask > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the > same > > stock? > > Generally the answer is No. Ludlum/Ludlam would be, but Ludlow as > another family. Now, having said that, someone will come up with an > exception <g>. > Harman Clark > hrclarkjr@kingcon.com > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

So then does this bio. mention of Noah Miller and his wife Sarah Ludlum Marsh make any sense? I see in the Westfiell in Revolutionaly Times map a Noah Miller and Marsh Miller, William Miller, Aaron, Enoch etc. all living in Westfield? I assume the William Miller Sr. mentioned below is the William Miller d. 1712 and the William Miller Jr. is the one listed in Sr. Will? There are a bunch of Millers from NJ who came to Fayette Co. PA in the late 1700's that I am trying to connect back but searching Millers is like well you know... "... the William Ludlum Miller family began their genealogic line in the early eighteenth century with the third generation in America, ie William Miller Sr, the son of John Miller Jr.(may be an error here. Other say William Sr. was son of John Sr.) The wanderlust seizing him he joined a party of adventurers moving on to Passaic Valley, New Jersey. He settled in Westfield, New Jersey, where he reached the office of Alderman and lived until his eighty fifth year. The lure of the west seizing his son, William Miller Jr, he moved to the Miami country of southern Ohio and Indiana, In some section of this area he lived until the age of ninety years. He had five sons, the third of whom was named Noah Miller. Noah Miller was born in 1756. He served in the New Jersey State troops and the Continental Army of the Revolution. After the close of the war, he with his wife, Sarah Ludlum Marsh, and their younger children came to Pennsylvania and settled in New Haven, now a part of Connellsville, Fayette county, Penna. Among their children were twin sons: William Ludlum Miller and Joseph Miller, born February 3, 1793. In New Haven, Noah Miller with the aid of his sons, Cornelius Miller, William Miller and Joseph Miller, engaged in building houses, boats and bridges. There was not much opportunity for school education, but for achievements in practical purposes, the Miller men had an enviable local reputation.... On Sunday 11 May 2003 21:35, Pamelyn P. Bush wrote: > Whoops, I usually defer to Harman as he is generally more accurate than I. > But in this case I can give many examples for both yes and no being > correct. Here are several: > > Andrew Hetfield Ludlow b. 15 May 1807, bapt 18 Oct 1807 in Westfield twp. > married Ann Marsh. Andrew Hetfield Ludlow was the son of David Ludlow who > married Abigail Hetfield 10 April 1793. David Ludlow bapt. 28 may 1775, > Westfield Twp, was the son of John Ludlum who married Hannah Ross 13 April > 1760 Westfield twp. > > Obadiah Ludlum and his wife Sarah came from Southampton to Elizabethtown > and eventually settlled in what became Westfield twp. Their son, Obadiah > married Phebe Marsh 22 nov 1759, and had about 10 children. Some of their > sons started spelling the name Ludlow except Jacob. Jacob Ludlum (1760/1 - > 1838) married Margaret Pool (1766-1854) and they are buried together in the > Old Colonial Cemetery in Westfield. Their son Jacob and his wife, Anna > Clark, are also buried there with young children, but they finally spelled > the name Ludlow. > > In Westfield, the older generations spelled it Ludlum prior to 1830 but in > general the same but younger family members spelled the name Ludlow after > 1830. Father and son buried side-by-side, the older tombstone says Ludlum > the newer one says Ludlow. > > On the other hand, all of the Ludlows who settled over the hill in New > Providence and are related to Major General Benjamin Ludlow (War of 1812), > all spell it LUDLOW as did his father, Col. Cornelius Ludlow, (Rev. War > soldier, d. 1812 age 83), and his father, Jeremiah Ludlow, who died 1764 > age 66. It appears that this family always spelled their name Ludlow and it > was never Ludlum in any of the New Providence Presbyterian church records. > All of their tombstones in the New Providence Pres. cemetery say "Ludlow". > > Pam

I said someone would come up with an exception, and Pam Bush clearly has done so. The problem here is one that plagues genealogists -- there are two separate, prolific families which are unrelated, but have names which can sound alike. Thus it would seem that when a Ludlam/Ludlum gave his name to a clerk, the clerk recorded it as Ludlow and he became Ludlow thereafter. The problem for the genealogist is that some 200 years later, in trying to determine ancestry. [see below]* The primary LUDLAM/LUDLOW immigrant was William Ludlam, with his wife, who was probably Clemence Fordham. For an overall beginning for William Ludlam and his descendants, see: "William Ludlam of Southampton, Long Island" by Conklin Mann, TAG 20:8-30, and Addenda at TAG 20:238. "Robert Parsons of East Hampton" by Conklin Mann, TAG 20:148. NYGBR 15:93 (1884), notes and queries, LUDLAM. NYGBR 47:308, "Corrections and Additions to Published Genealogical Works". "A Genealogy of the Descendants of William Ludlum of Southampton, Long Island," 1896, by Julia Parish Ludlam. "The Early Ludlam and Related Families of Oyster Bay, New York", by Clarence Almon Torrey, TAG 14:5. "The Early History of Southampton, L.I., New York" by George Rogers Howell (1887). William is probably buried in Southampton, L.I. but the earliest official cemetery started in 1705, so his grave could not be located. See also "William Ludlam of Southampton, Some New Information", by Dr. Walter D. Ludlum, Sr., TAG 29:91-98 (April, 1953). Abstract of Will of William LUDLAM, Southampton dated 27 April 1665 to my son Anthony "all my housing and lands at the old ground," and a (50%) right of commonage in town of Southampton. to my son Joseph "my new dwelling-house with two acres of land adjoining, and thirty acres of land adjoining to the mill and mill pond, on the east side of the mill river; and a (50%) right of commonage." legacies to daughters Grace, Frances, and Mary, also to "eldest child of my son William," "my son Henry's child," "my daughter Grace's child," and to "the eldest child of my daughter Frances." Mentions "a covenant between me and Samuel DAVIS" concerning use of land. Executor: son Henry; he is to build up the mill and have half the mill, and his brother Joseph the other half. Also Henry to have thirty-six acres of land at the head of the mill pond. Witnesses: John HOWELL, John COOPER. Proved at the Court of Assizes, November 2, 1667. The [real] LUDLOW family was of different lineage, and one of the progenitors in that family was Gabriel Ludlow, with his wife Susan Hanmer, Daughter of Rev. Joseph Hanmer, formerly of Iscoyd, Flint, chaplain to His Majesty's Forces, New York, and Martha Eddowes, formerly of Whitchurch, Salop.. He was of a "royal line". Magna Charta Sureties (3rd ed), Weis, 88-18; NYGBR 50:34. to New York 1694, clerk of New York House of Assembly, 1699-1733, merchant; Among his descendants is Anna Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962), wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd U.S. President. Royal Descents, Gary Boyd Roberts (1993), page 230. Based upon Pam Bush's findings, which are usually correct and thorough, my guess is that if you find a LUDLOW in Westfield, he or she is probably descended from William Ludlam and not connected with Gabriel Ludlow and his majestic (and often illegitimate) royal ancestry. ps* The story goes that a very Asian looking gentleman was named "Hans Schmidt". When asked how a person so obviously Asian would have such a germanic name, he replied: "I was in line at Ellis Island, and the man in front of me was Hans Schmidt, and the clerk put that down for him. I was then asked my name and I replied 'Sam Ting', and the Clerk recorded 'Hans Schmidt' and I have been Hans Schmidt ever since."