Would SKS please get me a copy of an obit for Henry E. Heller, Sr. Died: Nov. 13, 1971 Place of Death: Union, NJ Wife: Margaret Heller (Carlisle) He is buried at Rosehill or Rosedale - one of those. I have tried the Star Ledger and they referred me to the Newark Library, then I hit my brick wall. I will gladly pay for the cost of copies and postage. Please! Margaret in Colorado mb329@msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I am a new member of the list and am researching the SMITHSON family . My 4ggfather was John Smithson. He was reportedly from "Elizabethtown, NJ". He md Hannah COCHRAN(I don't know where) and they baptized 5 children at the First Presbyterian Church of NYC between 1774 and 1785. His daughter, Elizabeth Smithson, md Robert Pickering in NYC in 1801. She told her children that she was from Elizabethtown and remembered seeing George Washington at their home there in 1783. John Smithson paid taxes in Hanover and Chatham, Morris Co between the years 1780-1811. I am trying to figure out why they were back and forth between NYC and NJ and suppose that it had something to do with the Revolutionary War. Are there tax lists available for Elizabeth during this time period? Is there an index to wills during this period? I would appreciate any advice on researching these people, and hope to be able to contact anyone else researching the SMITHSON name. Thank You, Pat Payne in FL

Many thanks to Geoffrey, http://www.njresearch.com for getting and sending me a death certificate for a distant cousin (son of my great great uncle) - all in one week! I highly recommend this site for those of you looking for birth and death certificates and anything else that appears at that website as a service. My thanks also to the sweet lady who referred me - I've lost your email but I appreciate your help! Julia Ridgefield, WA .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Last night while checking something on the Brown family I got into the 1830 census for Union Twp, then in Essex County (on Ancestry.com). On the first page for Union, which I could easily recognize from the families was along Stuyvesant Ave (and possibly Stanley Terrace, then called Vauxhall Rd, just to be confusing) I found the following. My sense of the properties is that this list starts where Vauxhall Road enters Union from Essex County, and then turns on Stanley Terrace. William Day (40-50) with a substantial family. The widow Martha Day (40-50) with family Dr. Waldow Brown (30-40) with family John G. Mooney (30-40) with family Widow Martha Brown (70-80) Benjamin Brown (50-60) Rhoda Brown (40-50) Sarah Brown (70-80) Stephen Headley F.[or f] (20-30) Henry Brown (40-50) Most of this area was owned by Stephen Brown (1680-1767) and divided between his sons Caleb, Joel, and Benjamin, and most of the people here are descendants or widows of descendants. The ages and locations lead me to conclude: Martha Brown was the second wife of Stephen Brown (d. 1817), a son of Joel Brown. I do not know here last name. Sarah Brown is likely the widow of Nathaniel Brown, who died a youngish man in 1790. Nathaniel held land inherited from his father, Joel, along Lightning Brook. Rhoda Brown is Rhoda Durand, widow of Nathaniel and Sarah's son, Thomas, who died in 1825. The two young men in the house must be Ogden and Israel E. Brown; her middle son, Joseph, must be living elsewhere. The boys came into the estate of Thomas, previously owned by Nathaniel, son of Joel. Benjamin and Henry are the sons of Henry, the son of Benjamin Brown. The land Henry inherited from Stephen was partly in Essex (going back to John Brown's lands from the second division of Newark settlers) and partly land bought from John Ogden. Does anyone know anything about Doctor Waldo Brown? It certainly looks as if he must be connected to the Browns there. The Days may also be connected, but it would have to be back to an unknown daughter of Joel. The Mooneys purchased property owned by the Browns, and there is no apparent connection. Anyone interested in these families? Wilson Brown

Marian, All I could find is a yahoo map. There are two Grace Churches in Elizabeth, and the one at 205 1st Ave is close to Bond St. See: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=205+1ST+AVE&csz=ELIZABETH+NJ+07 206&Get%A0Map=Get+Map This one is Grace Church of Christ . The other one is Grace Episcopal Church is also close to Bond St..so I guess you would have to know the religion. This one is at 221 E. Jersey Street. See: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Grace+Episcopal+Church%2C+Elizabeth%2C+Ne w+Jersey&btnG=Google+Search Regards, Grace

My gr grfthr Wiliam FERGUSON d Aug 26, 1891 and was a member of the "Grace Church" Elizabeth, NJ. Are the church records online? Anyone know of this family of Elizabeth? At timeof death he lived at 132 Bond St, Elizabeth. Appreciate any help. Thanks much in advance. Marian Ferguson Mallory

I had the funeral home obtain DC's for me. Both DC's that I wanted were from the early 60's. The funeral home charged $5 each and mailed them to me. Don Lutz Virginia Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Conkey" <chinored2@msn.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: [NJUnion] Obit Look-up - Merrill STONER, d. Cranford, Union Co., NJ I have found that New Jersey's laws make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get a death cert. I am desperate to find some kind soul living in Union Co., NY, who would be willing to look for an obit for Merrill STONER, who died January 1969, Cranford, Union Co., New Jersey. Without an obit, I am stuck finding any info about him or any descendants. Thank you! Julia .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have found that New Jersey's laws make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get a death cert. I am desperate to find some kind soul living in Union Co., NY, who would be willing to look for an obit for Merrill STONER, who died January 1969, Cranford, Union Co., New Jersey. Without an obit, I am stuck finding any info about him or any descendants. Thank you! Julia .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

JOseph A. WOODWARD d. in Bayonne, NJ 1897. He was orignally from Elizabeth, Union, NJ. While living in Elizabeth, approximately 1850 +/- he had property on Franklin St., Elizabeth and attended Memorial Baptist Church. Does anyone know if those church records are transcribed and on the internet? Any WOODWARD researchers out there for Elizabeth, Bayonne area? He had son George whenhe died and two other sons and one daughter. Anyone have info? Thanks Marian Ferguson Mallory

I'm looking for information on Albert Sedrick on the 1900 or 1920 census. He was in Elizabeth Township in 1880 living with the Joseph Courson family. Any help would be appreciated. Glen A. Sedrick http://www.sedricks.com http://www.butlercogenealogy.com http://basicgenealogy.com

Would like to know what anyone has on the WOODWARD family that lived in Elizabeth during the 1890's. Joseph A. WOODWARD died in 1897 and was said to have been from a "well known family" that lived there a long time. Thanks in advance Marian Ferguson Mallory

Hi, Has anybody checked vitalchek.com ? I tried it yesterday and I'll have to see what happens in 10 to 14 days. All you have to do is to click on the state that you need then the info. Bill

Ruth- I'm in digest mode, and I just got the most recent digest, so I now understand your question. This was the first I'd heard of this problem. Looks like a coordinated effort, so it may not matter whether you try the State or municipal Health offices. I'm checking into it. In the meantime, I will assume until informed otherwise that the State Archives does not have a similar policy, so records through 1878 should still be available there. Also, someone mentioned the professional researcher option for more recent records, which is always a good one. The births through 1923 and marriages and deaths through 1940 are available to the public on microfilm at the State Archives. Stay tuned! Gary ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Hi Everyone I was interested in the Volunteer Club (that Dennis mentioned) that assists in locating the B,M, or D records on these people. In the state of NY only the recorder of these records or a town clerk (someone of similar authority), a paid employee has access to these records. The general public is not among them. They are not allowed to view the books. The books are not to be viewed by anyone without this stated authority even if the time of limitation has run out for that record. These books still contain information on some living people. Where does a club like this exist? The Libraries and Genealogy Societies however do volunteer and provide lookups through films, newspapers and etc. But I have not seen a volunteer working with Vitals, at least not where I have searched. Perhaps in some States it does exist. I would also like to mention that the State of Michigan just came down with a Supreme Court Ruling that people doing Genealogy have the same rights that any other public official, lawyer or person in obtaining these records and they cannot be treated separately or given any delay in having the information provided to them. My personal opinion is that if the necessity is there and people are providing the fee and enough revenue to obtain these records, then the Staffing should be adjusted accordingly. But the Steps taken in NJ would indicate that this is an out right refusal to provide that record to the public unless you provide all the information that is shown on the record. It would also appear to indicate, an out right refusal to do a Search for Genealogy purposes. If you provide all the information that is a lookup not a Search. I would like to know if a Lawyer can obtain it? Would an individual be seeking this information, if they had the information? Probably not, they would not be requesting the record from the Records Archive if they already had it.. I would like to see what the Freedom of Information Ruling would be on this. I think that this Law will have to adjusted in the future. Thanks for any additional input or information Regards Pat R

I don't know if the explaination for the change in policy was mentioned on the list yet, but it was brought up on another list I subscribe to. It seems that, post-Sept 11, it was decided that it was too easy to obtain a false identity in NJ because one could get a birth certificate for a deceased child, obtain a SS#, with nothing more than a name and date of birth. I don't see why this would extend to people born before 1900, but it seems that it is an all-or-nothing policy. Judy ===== Judy Jamieson Pisano jupisano@yahoo.com "The Bird Families of New Jersey" <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~birdnj> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

Is there some confusion here as to the difference between the state archives and the state dept of health and senior services? H&SS requires more info now but I have not heard the same requirement for the archives. Don Lutz Virginia Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph A. & Ruth O. Ryan" <ablee@aug.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Vital Statistics Office Oh, my, this comes just as I was about to write a check for the N.J. Archives. Who is this researcher? I'll need someone in Union Co. and Trenton, so I'll need more than one name. How about Essex Co.? If you have a friend who is a lawyer, sometimes they can work miracles. When we were refused help in New York State, a lawyer had the cert. in two weeks. Thank you very much! Ruth Oliver Ryan , ablee@aug.com St. Augustine, FL searching for: RITTER, mostly in Elizabeth REIDINGER, Union Co. ROLTGEN, Newark and Elizabeth WEAR, in ELizabeth FOOTE, in Elizabeth and Westfield GARTLEY, in ELizabeth BROCKLEBANK, in Elizabeth HAUCK, in Elizabeth ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

You need to understand that these offices have limited staffing and genealogy interests are snowballing. Even with a high search fee they just do not have the time to search. And even with the exact date, charges are being constantly increased because of the demand which is exceeding the abilities of the staff. In some areas local genealogy clubs provide volunteers to these offices who assist the paid workers. Some of the volunteers have even been deputized so that they may enter the vault where the records are kept. See if the area you are interested in has such a club with volunteers assisting statistic offices. If so you may get assistance by joining that club, some may even provide free assistance. Best wishes, Dennis Reiley reiley@usol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret brazier" <mb329@msn.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [NJUnion] Vital Statistics Office > Oh man!!! What's the deal with the V.S. Office in Union County. Now they want the exact date of birth, marriage, death (M/D/Y) and they WILL NOT do any searching. That's why we pay extra...to have the search done. I have never had such problems with any other V.S. office before. > > First - I got the info from their website regarding ordering certificates and it said nothing about using their own form. So, they sent it back. All 21 requests. > > Fine...so I filled in the forms and sent them back including the fee amounts with searches. > > Now, they are sending them back again with "effective immediately" notices. I must supply exact dates. Can someone explain to me why??? I am feeling really frustrated over this. All of my family is from Elizabeth, NJ. They really know how to tie things up. Many states are now taking the info over the phone. I think they're stuck in the 20th century along with my requested certificates. > > How can I find out the exact date of marriage in order to request a copy of a marriage certificate? I was only requesting a 3-year search. > > Please help. > > Margaret > mb329@msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I believe the original email refered to the City/County however my situation was with the State Dept. of Health and Senior Services that refused despite that every information but her mother's maiden name was given to obtain a copy of Death Certificate from 1928. I believe you are correct when talking about the State Archieve for earlier B/M/D-pre 1878. The funny thing is I only sent a similar request in about 6 months ago with very little information known and I recieved a copy of it after the usual 4-6month wait?? Seems like somthing has change??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <garymaher@juno.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: [NJUnion] Re: Vital Statistics Office > >Oh man!!! What's the deal with the V.S. Office in Union County. Now > they want the exact > >date of birth, marriage, death (M/D/Y) and they WILL NOT do any > searching. That's why we > >pay extra...to have the search done. I have never had such problems > with any other V.S. > >office before. > > I assume you're talking about the City of Elizabeth vital statistics > office, as the counties don't keep vital statistics (except for some > county marriage records from the 1800s). > > In the more populated areas, it's usually easier to get vital records > from the State. > > This page has a link to the form for obtaining vitals through 1878, along > with the phone number for the Bureau of Vital Statistics (Dept. of > Health) for later records: > > http://www.state.nj.us/state/darm/a_access.html > > Good luck! > > Gary > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Gary, re you saying there is no change at the archives and the vital stats office (STATE)? Ruth

Oh, my, this comes just as I was about to write a check for the N.J. Archives. Who is this researcher? I'll need someone in Union Co. and Trenton, so I'll need more than one name. How about Essex Co.? If you have a friend who is a lawyer, sometimes they can work miracles. When we were refused help in New York State, a lawyer had the cert. in two weeks. Thank you very much! Ruth Oliver Ryan , ablee@aug.com St. Augustine, FL searching for: RITTER, mostly in Elizabeth REIDINGER, Union Co. ROLTGEN, Newark and Elizabeth WEAR, in ELizabeth FOOTE, in Elizabeth and Westfield GARTLEY, in ELizabeth BROCKLEBANK, in Elizabeth HAUCK, in Elizabeth