> > >> Hello, > I'm back with my HEIMLICH family but this time I have an > address. > >> I could not find them on the 1915 or1920, so Pam and > Grace were right when they said a midwife and maybe living with someone.> > >> Here is the address. >> 220 south Fifth St. >> Elizabeth, NJ >> I think it is in the 3rd. ward. I checked a very old atlas 1906 of >> Union County and the house wasn't even built yet. Just an empty lot. The streets that run a long the block (#274) were S.BOND and> >> >> PINE. I believe Sixth was behind them. I have a copy of the area >> but the street behind them was cut off. >> Would someone please lookup who lives there? Thank You very much, > >> >> Millie

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> Hello, I'm back with my HEIMLICH family but this time I have an address.> I could not find them on the 1915 or1920, so Pam and Grace were > right when they said a midwife and maybe living with someone. > Here is the address. > 220 south Fifth St. > Elizabeth, NJ > I think it is in the 3rd. ward. I checked a very old atlas 1906 of > Union County and the house wasn't even built yet. Just an empty lot. The > streets that run a long the block (#274) were S.BOND and > PINE. I believe Sixth was behind them. I have a copy of the area > but the street behind them was cut off. > Would someone please lookup who lives there? > Thank You very much, > Millie

David, You said you could not view the picture of the Stage Coach Inn. In your other mail you mentioned Mountainside, did you mean Mountain Ave? My husband grew up on Johnson Drive, which I think he said is off Mountain Avenue. I will be glad to email you the pictures you like, but first try this link. The Union/Somerset County pictures are in two albums, then there is a big one called Old Pictures of Plainfield/Watchung, or something like that. Try this link and see if you can view the pictures. If not, let me know. Many were sent to me by others. There are 3 pages here, but the ones for that area are on the front page, I think. There is a wonderful picture of Johnson's Drive, really great. I think Arlene or Helaine or someone on the list sent it to me a while ago. No, now I can't remember, couple of years ago. I usually include the name of who sent them. http://community.webshots.com/user/slc987 Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: <NJBIRD1197@aol.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [NJUnion] Photos > Hello all, > > Does anyone on the list have early photos of the Mountainside area? I am > especially looking for images of the "Bird's Corner" section of Mountainside, > as well as anything from the "South Side of the Mountain" (now in the > Watchung Reservation). There were many old buildings/houses in this area that > have since been torn down, so anything depicting these would be very welcome. > > Thanks, > David Kane > Nashville > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone in this group know what general area the 28 th. N. j. Inf. Reg. in the civil war came from? Also what County is Freehold in? I am looking for information on Augutus Warren Hatfield b. 04-07-1843 in Elizabeth,New Jersey. Thank You Norton Hatfield

Hello all, Does anyone on the list have early photos of the Mountainside area? I am especially looking for images of the "Bird's Corner" section of Mountainside, as well as anything from the "South Side of the Mountain" (now in the Watchung Reservation). There were many old buildings/houses in this area that have since been torn down, so anything depicting these would be very welcome. Thanks, David Kane Nashville

The story goes that a very Jewish looking gentleman was named "Shane Ferguson". When asked how a person so obviously Jewish would have such a Scottish name, he replied: "Before I came to this country, I wrote to my cousins who were already here and asked them to find me a good American name. They gave me a name to use, but it was very foreign to me. I repeated it to myself over and over on the ship, afraid that I would forget it. I knew it when I landed at Ellis Island, but when the clerk asked me my name, I had to tell him "shoyne fargessen" [Yiddish for "I forget already"]." Gary On Mon, 12 May 2003 23:01:53 -0600 NJUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > The story goes that a very Asian looking gentleman was named "Hans > Schmidt". When asked how a person so obviously Asian would have such a > germanic name, he replied: "I was in line at Ellis Island, and the man in > front of me was Hans Schmidt, and the clerk put that down for him. I was > then asked my name and I replied 'Sam Ting', and the Clerk recorded 'Hans > Schmidt' and I have been Hans Schmidt ever since." ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I have no indication that DeCamps were here earlier, but the settlement of Scotch Plains predates that of Westfield by about 40 years. Scotch Plains was settled in the early 1680s. The Westfield land was divvied up by the Associates in 1700, but there weren't many settlers there until about 1720. The Scotch Plains settlers generally associated with the Piscataway settlement and attended church there (according to Hatfield). On the other hand, there was no church in Westfield (and therefore no baptismal records) until 1727. My point is that a lack of pre-1735 Westfield baptism records for a family is not evidence that the family was not present in Scotch Plains. I'm sure there were many families in Scotch Plains early on of whom little or no trace survives. And that trace is more likely to appear in the records of Piscataway than Elizabeth or Westfield. Gary On Mon, 12 May 2003 23:01:53 -0600 NJUNION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Can you re-check your source for the accuracy of the transcription of your > quote? A date of 1689 or thereabouts for the settlement of the DeCamp family > in Westfield is much earlier than anything I have seen. The oldest DeCamp > birth that I can find in Westfield is 1735. All the other information I have > found suggests that the family lived on Staten Island until about 1720, and > then went to various parts of NJ. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi, I just wanted to thank Pam and Grace for all their help. I will be going to archives in Trenton and will get my Mother's information. Then I will try the 1915 census with any of the new information. I will also write to the GSWF to see if they would be able to help. I do appreciate all your help. Thanks, Millie

I said someone would come up with an exception, and Pam Bush clearly has done so. The problem here is one that plagues genealogists -- there are two separate, prolific families which are unrelated, but have names which can sound alike. Thus it would seem that when a Ludlam/Ludlum gave his name to a clerk, the clerk recorded it as Ludlow and he became Ludlow thereafter. The problem for the genealogist is that some 200 years later, in trying to determine ancestry. [see below]* The primary LUDLAM/LUDLOW immigrant was William Ludlam, with his wife, who was probably Clemence Fordham. For an overall beginning for William Ludlam and his descendants, see: "William Ludlam of Southampton, Long Island" by Conklin Mann, TAG 20:8-30, and Addenda at TAG 20:238. "Robert Parsons of East Hampton" by Conklin Mann, TAG 20:148. NYGBR 15:93 (1884), notes and queries, LUDLAM. NYGBR 47:308, "Corrections and Additions to Published Genealogical Works". "A Genealogy of the Descendants of William Ludlum of Southampton, Long Island," 1896, by Julia Parish Ludlam. "The Early Ludlam and Related Families of Oyster Bay, New York", by Clarence Almon Torrey, TAG 14:5. "The Early History of Southampton, L.I., New York" by George Rogers Howell (1887). William is probably buried in Southampton, L.I. but the earliest official cemetery started in 1705, so his grave could not be located. See also "William Ludlam of Southampton, Some New Information", by Dr. Walter D. Ludlum, Sr., TAG 29:91-98 (April, 1953). Abstract of Will of William LUDLAM, Southampton dated 27 April 1665 to my son Anthony "all my housing and lands at the old ground," and a (50%) right of commonage in town of Southampton. to my son Joseph "my new dwelling-house with two acres of land adjoining, and thirty acres of land adjoining to the mill and mill pond, on the east side of the mill river; and a (50%) right of commonage." legacies to daughters Grace, Frances, and Mary, also to "eldest child of my son William," "my son Henry's child," "my daughter Grace's child," and to "the eldest child of my daughter Frances." Mentions "a covenant between me and Samuel DAVIS" concerning use of land. Executor: son Henry; he is to build up the mill and have half the mill, and his brother Joseph the other half. Also Henry to have thirty-six acres of land at the head of the mill pond. Witnesses: John HOWELL, John COOPER. Proved at the Court of Assizes, November 2, 1667. The [real] LUDLOW family was of different lineage, and one of the progenitors in that family was Gabriel Ludlow, with his wife Susan Hanmer, Daughter of Rev. Joseph Hanmer, formerly of Iscoyd, Flint, chaplain to His Majesty's Forces, New York, and Martha Eddowes, formerly of Whitchurch, Salop.. He was of a "royal line". Magna Charta Sureties (3rd ed), Weis, 88-18; NYGBR 50:34. to New York 1694, clerk of New York House of Assembly, 1699-1733, merchant; Among his descendants is Anna Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962), wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd U.S. President. Royal Descents, Gary Boyd Roberts (1993), page 230. Based upon Pam Bush's findings, which are usually correct and thorough, my guess is that if you find a LUDLOW in Westfield, he or she is probably descended from William Ludlam and not connected with Gabriel Ludlow and his majestic (and often illegitimate) royal ancestry. ps* The story goes that a very Asian looking gentleman was named "Hans Schmidt". When asked how a person so obviously Asian would have such a germanic name, he replied: "I was in line at Ellis Island, and the man in front of me was Hans Schmidt, and the clerk put that down for him. I was then asked my name and I replied 'Sam Ting', and the Clerk recorded 'Hans Schmidt' and I have been Hans Schmidt ever since."

Mike, Can you re-check your source for the accuracy of the transcription of your quote? A date of 1689 or thereabouts for the settlement of the DeCamp family in Westfield is much earlier than anything I have seen. The oldest DeCamp birth that I can find in Westfield is 1735. All the other information I have found suggests that the family lived on Staten Island until about 1720, and then went to various parts of NJ. Wilson DeCamp Vienna, VA In a message dated 5/12/2003 5:03:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mmiller@pcsia.net writes: > pg. 468 History of Union County New Jersey 1664-1923 by Abraham Van Doren > Honeyman; Volume II, Chapter XL; Township of Scotch Plains and Borough of > Fanwood > > "The hotel now standing on the corner of Park Avenue and Front Street was > built in 1737. John Sutton, one of the early settlers, was the first inn > keeper. The following were his successors: Samuel Ropes, John Frazee, John > > Stanbery, James Miller, Stanford Hicks, Thomas Burlochs, Jonathan Hetfield, > > P. B. Davis, W. H. Cleaver, Thomas T. Barr, Abraham Nelson, Antone DeBou > and > Thomas Paff. ...." > > My interest is whether the J. Miller or James Miller who had the stand in > 1818 was one and the same with the Jeames Miller listed in the list of > families of early settlers of Scotch Plains. I am beginning to think > FAMILIES is the operative word in this quote: > > "In or about the year 1689 the families of William Darby, Recompense > Stanbery, John Lambert, John Dennis, John Stanbery, Henry Crosby, Michael > Parse or Pierce, John Sutton Jr. Isaac Manning, Mary Bodwell, Sarah > DeCamp, > Samuel Doty or Doughty, Joseph Drake, Jeames Miller, Abraham Hampton, John > Blackford, Joseph Randoph, William Cole, Peter Willcoxsie or Willcox, and a > > few others who came afterwards, whose names are now known in this township > at > the present time (1882): Mash or Marsh, Dolbear, Terry, Terrill, Squires, > Hunter, Miller, Pearson, Roll, Frazer or Frazee and Maxwells." > > This seems to imply there may be two groups of Millers who came to the > area. > > Thanks for any insights. Mike Miller >

It still looks like that today! It is the Stage House Inn. The old road went from New York to Philadelphia through what is now Union County and on to Hunterdon County, specifically White House where another old inn built about 250 years ago is now Kearns Funeral Home next to the Ryland Inn just off Route 22. That inn was also built by a Sutton and was considered the half-way point for weary travellers going between Philadelphia and New York by stage coach. Pam Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sydney Cardner" <bcardner@tampabay.rr.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum/re Stage Coach Inn > Was the Stage Coach Inn previously called the W. L. Deegan or the Old > Historical Inn? I thought I heard it might be. I have a very old picture > from 1907. My husband says it was still there in the 1960s, but he thought > it was the Stage Coach. The picture has writing all over it but it is > still pretty special. I have lots of others from NJ as well. > Click the picture to view it larger, then choose the View drop menu and > choose Normal. > http://community.webshots.com/album/16221374ytygQQbFDf/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> > To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > > > > Ludlow and Ludlum are the same family. The Stage Coach Inn is still a > > restaurant in Scotch Plains and has been around for over 200 years. I'm > not > > familiar with Sutton's Hotel. > > Pam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@pcsia.net> > > To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:03 PM > > Subject: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > > > > > > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the > > same > > > stock? > > > > > > Also I am reading that there were two stage coach houses in Scotch > Plains > > in > > > the 1780's. Does this fit with current knowledge? I am reading the > > > History of Union and Middlesex Counties. It lists Sutton's Hotel and > "the > > > old tavern on the forks of the road..." Others sources I have read > > suggest > > > only one stage house. Help. > > > > > > Mike Miller > > > >

Whoops, I usually defer to Harman as he is generally more accurate than I. But in this case I can give many examples for both yes and no being correct. Here are several: Andrew Hetfield Ludlow b. 15 May 1807, bapt 18 Oct 1807 in Westfield twp. married Ann Marsh. Andrew Hetfield Ludlow was the son of David Ludlow who married Abigail Hetfield 10 April 1793. David Ludlow bapt. 28 may 1775, Westfield Twp, was the son of John Ludlum who married Hannah Ross 13 April 1760 Westfield twp. Obadiah Ludlum and his wife Sarah came from Southampton to Elizabethtown and eventually settlled in what became Westfield twp. Their son, Obadiah married Phebe Marsh 22 nov 1759, and had about 10 children. Some of their sons started spelling the name Ludlow except Jacob. Jacob Ludlum (1760/1 - 1838) married Margaret Pool (1766-1854) and they are buried together in the Old Colonial Cemetery in Westfield. Their son Jacob and his wife, Anna Clark, are also buried there with young children, but they finally spelled the name Ludlow. In Westfield, the older generations spelled it Ludlum prior to 1830 but in general the same but younger family members spelled the name Ludlow after 1830. Father and son buried side-by-side, the older tombstone says Ludlum the newer one says Ludlow. On the other hand, all of the Ludlows who settled over the hill in New Providence and are related to Major General Benjamin Ludlow (War of 1812), all spell it LUDLOW as did his father, Col. Cornelius Ludlow, (Rev. War soldier, d. 1812 age 83), and his father, Jeremiah Ludlow, who died 1764 age 66. It appears that this family always spelled their name Ludlow and it was never Ludlum in any of the New Providence Presbyterian church records. All of their tombstones in the New Providence Pres. cemetery say "Ludlow". Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harman Clark" <hrclarkjr@kingcon.com> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > You ask > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the > same > > stock? > > Generally the answer is No. Ludlum/Ludlam would be, but Ludlow as > another family. Now, having said that, someone will come up with an > exception <g>. > Harman Clark > hrclarkjr@kingcon.com > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Was the Stage Coach Inn previously called the W. L. Deegan or the Old Historical Inn? I thought I heard it might be. I have a very old picture from 1907. My husband says it was still there in the 1960s, but he thought it was the Stage Coach. The picture has writing all over it but it is still pretty special. I have lots of others from NJ as well. Click the picture to view it larger, then choose the View drop menu and choose Normal. http://community.webshots.com/album/16221374ytygQQbFDf/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > Ludlow and Ludlum are the same family. The Stage Coach Inn is still a > restaurant in Scotch Plains and has been around for over 200 years. I'm not > familiar with Sutton's Hotel. > Pam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@pcsia.net> > To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:03 PM > Subject: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > > > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the > same > > stock? > > > > Also I am reading that there were two stage coach houses in Scotch Plains > in > > the 1780's. Does this fit with current knowledge? I am reading the > > History of Union and Middlesex Counties. It lists Sutton's Hotel and "the > > old tavern on the forks of the road..." Others sources I have read > suggest > > only one stage house. Help. > > > > Mike Miller > > > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Mike- Don't forget that Scotch Plains is inclusive not only to the Center of Town but also the South Side(which traditionally was rural). During the 1950-70's many of the old farms on the South Side were sold with housing developments built on the land. This area borders Clark Township, Plainfield,North Edison, Westfield(South Side)and the Town of Fanwood. A Historic Inn stood at the end of Martine Avenue-"at the fork in the road." It was demolished about 20 years ago with a diner built on site. Can't be certain if this is the possible Inn you're making reference to. I believe another Inn stood not far from the Stage House in the Center of Town. My Dad grew up in Scotch Plains in the 1920's-locals usually referred to these sites by family names who owned the structure at some point in time. My guess would be that the Stage House Inn was not always referred to with it's present name. susan NJ Miller wrote: > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the same > stock? > > Also I am reading that there were two stage coach houses in Scotch Plains in > the 1780's. Does this fit with current knowledge? I am reading the > History of Union and Middlesex Counties. It lists Sutton's Hotel and "the > old tavern on the forks of the road..." Others sources I have read suggest > only one stage house. Help. > > Mike Miller > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

You ask > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the same > stock? Generally the answer is No. Ludlum/Ludlam would be, but Ludlow as another family. Now, having said that, someone will come up with an exception <g>. Harman Clark hrclarkjr@kingcon.com

Ludlow and Ludlum are the same family. The Stage Coach Inn is still a restaurant in Scotch Plains and has been around for over 200 years. I'm not familiar with Sutton's Hotel. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@pcsia.net> To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and the same > stock? > > Also I am reading that there were two stage coach houses in Scotch Plains in > the 1780's. Does this fit with current knowledge? I am reading the > History of Union and Middlesex Counties. It lists Sutton's Hotel and "the > old tavern on the forks of the road..." Others sources I have read suggest > only one stage house. Help. > > Mike Miller > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

So then does this bio. mention of Noah Miller and his wife Sarah Ludlum Marsh make any sense? I see in the Westfiell in Revolutionaly Times map a Noah Miller and Marsh Miller, William Miller, Aaron, Enoch etc. all living in Westfield? I assume the William Miller Sr. mentioned below is the William Miller d. 1712 and the William Miller Jr. is the one listed in Sr. Will? There are a bunch of Millers from NJ who came to Fayette Co. PA in the late 1700's that I am trying to connect back but searching Millers is like well you know... "... the William Ludlum Miller family began their genealogic line in the early eighteenth century with the third generation in America, ie William Miller Sr, the son of John Miller Jr.(may be an error here. Other say William Sr. was son of John Sr.) The wanderlust seizing him he joined a party of adventurers moving on to Passaic Valley, New Jersey. He settled in Westfield, New Jersey, where he reached the office of Alderman and lived until his eighty fifth year. The lure of the west seizing his son, William Miller Jr, he moved to the Miami country of southern Ohio and Indiana, In some section of this area he lived until the age of ninety years. He had five sons, the third of whom was named Noah Miller. Noah Miller was born in 1756. He served in the New Jersey State troops and the Continental Army of the Revolution. After the close of the war, he with his wife, Sarah Ludlum Marsh, and their younger children came to Pennsylvania and settled in New Haven, now a part of Connellsville, Fayette county, Penna. Among their children were twin sons: William Ludlum Miller and Joseph Miller, born February 3, 1793. In New Haven, Noah Miller with the aid of his sons, Cornelius Miller, William Miller and Joseph Miller, engaged in building houses, boats and bridges. There was not much opportunity for school education, but for achievements in practical purposes, the Miller men had an enviable local reputation.... On Sunday 11 May 2003 21:35, Pamelyn P. Bush wrote: > Whoops, I usually defer to Harman as he is generally more accurate than I. > But in this case I can give many examples for both yes and no being > correct. Here are several: > > Andrew Hetfield Ludlow b. 15 May 1807, bapt 18 Oct 1807 in Westfield twp. > married Ann Marsh. Andrew Hetfield Ludlow was the son of David Ludlow who > married Abigail Hetfield 10 April 1793. David Ludlow bapt. 28 may 1775, > Westfield Twp, was the son of John Ludlum who married Hannah Ross 13 April > 1760 Westfield twp. > > Obadiah Ludlum and his wife Sarah came from Southampton to Elizabethtown > and eventually settlled in what became Westfield twp. Their son, Obadiah > married Phebe Marsh 22 nov 1759, and had about 10 children. Some of their > sons started spelling the name Ludlow except Jacob. Jacob Ludlum (1760/1 - > 1838) married Margaret Pool (1766-1854) and they are buried together in the > Old Colonial Cemetery in Westfield. Their son Jacob and his wife, Anna > Clark, are also buried there with young children, but they finally spelled > the name Ludlow. > > In Westfield, the older generations spelled it Ludlum prior to 1830 but in > general the same but younger family members spelled the name Ludlow after > 1830. Father and son buried side-by-side, the older tombstone says Ludlum > the newer one says Ludlow. > > On the other hand, all of the Ludlows who settled over the hill in New > Providence and are related to Major General Benjamin Ludlow (War of 1812), > all spell it LUDLOW as did his father, Col. Cornelius Ludlow, (Rev. War > soldier, d. 1812 age 83), and his father, Jeremiah Ludlow, who died 1764 > age 66. It appears that this family always spelled their name Ludlow and it > was never Ludlum in any of the New Providence Presbyterian church records. > All of their tombstones in the New Providence Pres. cemetery say "Ludlow". > > Pam

Sydney, that looks like the building I saw online in the Stagecoach Inn website. I am beginning to think now that the Stagecoach Inn is the one started by John Sutton Jr. in 1737 and the whole description in the text I just sent refers to that Inn alone. It says "and one of them afterwards..." so it could describe just the Sutton Hotel aka Stagecoach Inn. The date for the keepers in the two lists mesh perfectly. I do wonder if the John Sutton Jr. is only one person though. Running an Inn from 1737 to 1814 seems to a bit of a stretch. On the Sutton websites, I see there were several John Suttons Sr and Jr. in a row so maybe it stayed in the family until 1814. On Sunday 11 May 2003 21:26, Sydney Cardner wrote: > Was the Stage Coach Inn previously called the W. L. Deegan or the Old > Historical Inn? I thought I heard it might be. I have a very old picture > from 1907. My husband says it was still there in the 1960s, but he thought > it was the Stage Coach. The picture has writing all over it but it is > still pretty special. I have lots of others from NJ as well. > Click the picture to view it larger, then choose the View drop menu and > choose Normal. > http://community.webshots.com/album/16221374ytygQQbFDf/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> > To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > > > Ludlow and Ludlum are the same family. The Stage Coach Inn is still a > > restaurant in Scotch Plains and has been around for over 200 years. I'm > > not > > > familiar with Sutton's Hotel. > > Pam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@pcsia.net> > > To: <NJUNION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:03 PM > > Subject: [NJUnion] Ludlow vs. Ludlum > > > > > Are the Ludlow and Ludlum familys of the Westfield area from one and > > > the > > > > same > > > > > stock? > > > > > > Also I am reading that there were two stage coach houses in Scotch > > Plains > > > in > > > > > the 1780's. Does this fit with current knowledge? I am reading the > > > History of Union and Middlesex Counties. It lists Sutton's Hotel and > > "the > > > > old tavern on the forks of the road..." Others sources I have read > > > > suggest > > > > > only one stage house. Help. > > > > > > Mike Miller > > > > > > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > > > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== NJUNION Mailing List ==== > www.rootsweb.com/~njunion > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks everybody, that is clear now ;>))) I needed a smile today. Alright here is the quotes on the Inns page 414 History of Union and Middlesex Counties New Jersey 1882 "Inns and Inn-Keepers The two public-houses were early called stages-houses, and one of them afterwards was called Sutton's Hotel, which was one of the popular resorts one hundred years ago. John Sutton was one of the early settlers on the Plains, as it was called, and opened this house of entertainment for man and beast. After his death Samuel Rope, in 1814, kept it as a stage-house, and it was known as the Swiftsure Stage-house about 1825. James Fazer opened the house for a short time in 1825. After he left, others took charge of it. The old tavern stand on the forks of the road bears date over one hundred years ago. some of the first who settled in this village had charge of this public-house, which was one of the popular inns and will known throughout the country. It was a popular resort in the summer for many desiring to live for a few weeks in the country, and eventually too the name of a summer boarding-house and inn. The following is a corret list of former keepers: J. Stanbery, 1799; J. Miller, 1818; Sanford Hicks, 1819; Thomas Burlochs, 1820; ---- Crane, 1824; Jonathan Hetfield, 1827; P. B. Davis, 1829; W. H. Cleaver, 1830; Thomas T. Barr, 1841; Abraham Nelson, 1844; Antone De Bou, 1853; Thomas Paff, 1879." It says there are two public houses but what is not clear to me is if the Sutton's Hotel and the old tavern stand are one in the same? Is the Stagecoach Inn located where there was a fork in the road 120 years ago? This following quote seems to suggest they are one and the same. pg. 468 History of Union County New Jersey 1664-1923 by Abraham Van Doren Honeyman; Volume II, Chapter XL; Township of Scotch Plains and Borough of Fanwood "The hotel now standing on the corner of Park Avenue and Front Street was built in 1737. John Sutton, one of the early settlers, was the first inn keeper. The following were his successors: Samuel Ropes, John Frazee, John Stanbery, James Miller, Stanford Hicks, Thomas Burlochs, Jonathan Hetfield, P. B. Davis, W. H. Cleaver, Thomas T. Barr, Abraham Nelson, Antone DeBou and Thomas Paff. ...." My interest is whether the J. Miller or James Miller who had the stand in 1818 was one and the same with the Jeames Miller listed in the list of families of early settlers of Scotch Plains. I am beginning to think FAMILIES is the operative word in this quote: "In or about the year 1689 the families of William Darby, Recompense Stanbery, John Lambert, John Dennis, John Stanbery, Henry Crosby, Michael Parse or Pierce, John Sutton Jr. Isaac Manning, Mary Bodwell, Sarah DeCamp, Samuel Doty or Doughty, Joseph Drake, Jeames Miller, Abraham Hampton, John Blackford, Joseph Randoph, William Cole, Peter Willcoxsie or Willcox, and a few others who came afterwards, whose names are now known in this township at the present time (1882): Mash or Marsh, Dolbear, Terry, Terrill, Squires, Hunter, Miller, Pearson, Roll, Frazer or Frazee and Maxwells." This seems to imply there may be two groups of Millers who came to the area. Thanks for any insights. Mike Miller