Hi.....I just got a line on this family and expect some more info soon. Will keep ypu in mind........john

hi folks, I've been watching all the traffic on Evergreen Cemetery and am new to the list, so I thought I would throw out my question to the gang. I am researching my MacNair/McNair and Cooper families who lived in New Providence, Fanwood and Scotch Plains. I understand that they attended the methodist church in Scotch Plains, and a cousin of mine tried to find the 19th century records of the place and was unsuccessful. Has anyone come across them in their travels? Also, Is there a methodist Cemetery in Scotch Plains or Fanwood. My McNairs were originally from Brooklyn and had a plot in Greenwood, but several children who died as infants are not buried there, so I wondered where they might be? Lisa

Have not posted in a while and still looking for place of birth for my elusive FARRELLS. I have a Lawrence Farrell born between in 1825 and 1830 in Ireland. He emigrated between 1851 and 1855 and settled in Newark, NJ. There might have been Farrell relatives in Jersey City at the same time and he might have been there for a brief time. Lawrence is the son of Michael Farrell and either Sarah or Catherine Farrell. Lawrence married a Mary Selby in St. Patrick's Pro Cathedral in Newark, in January of 1856. They had a total of 9 children that survived. Michael, Mary, John, Lawrence Jr., Thomas, James, John, Edward and William -- all born between 1856 and about 1870. I know what happened to Mary, Lawrence Jr., and Thomas. A few of the other sons died at a young age. Does anything sound familiar or does anyone know where these Farrells are from? I have checked County Roscommon in Ireland and County Longford and there are no records on any of the family. I now (thanks to an older cousin) am waiting for a response from County Cork. Thanks for any help. Judy

Please listen to Gary and be careful. We have the same thing at Woodland Cemetery in Newark, NJ. I was looking for ancestors grave sites and was told not to go to this cemetery alone. I found out that they have a group of people that go twice a year to Woodland to record grave sites. We asked if we could come along on the day they where going and they said sure and even showed me where my ancestors where buried. When they go to this cemetery to record grave sites they have the Newark police patrol them why they are in there for the day. We stayed and helped them record grave sites and I have to tell you that was the most fun I ever had in a cemetery. Maybe you should look into getting a bunch of people together and go to Evergreen Cemetery together and make arrangements with the local police for that day. We also had a person there with a cell phone. That is the only way to go to these cemetery's today. Happy hunting Elaine

We had a very nice lady whose name escapes me now that did some work for us. She offered to go to Evergreen but was told it was very dangerous. She was told all the things you mentioned also. Told her it was not that important to get someone killed much less mugged to get info and pictures. When and if we get a chance maybe we can afford to hire a policeman to go with us. That was a joke but it sounds like you need one. My husband's family (grandmother surname) was part of it and on board but believe they are dead now. The OTTO'S were on board then. Husband's family is BRENNAN, HENSLER, VAN HART, OTTO, and others. But maybe when we get out there will take the time, in mean time no big deal. Being hurt is not worth the genealogy you get there. Sounds like the people that run it now care less, very sad. Thanks for the time, but be careful if you go. Karen

Many thanks to Gary for his warnings about dangers (from living hominids) lurking at Evergreen Cemetery at 1137 N. Broad St., Hillside, NJ 07205. Now I understand better why the place always seems so DEAD. Despite the cemetery's loveliness, human activity there really seems very minimal. Hopefully the Evergreen management hasn't secretly recruited armed thugs to drum up more burial business. Green-Wood Cem. in NYC (overlooking the Hudson River in Brooklyn) and Evergreen Cem. in Hillside (different from the Queens/Brooklyn Evergreen Cem. that I've had some run-ins with) are two of the most attractive of the large metro NYC cemeteries. I was unaware of these dangers until now and was certainly unaware of them when I spent a few peaceful spring days there a few years ago obtaining photocopies of office burial records and making handwritten copies of gravestone inscriptions of many of my relatives that are were not buried in the much older First Presbyterian and St. Johns Episcopal cemeteries in Elizabeth. Because these older cemeteries, plus others in Newark, were getting crowded, Evergreen was established in 1853-- prior to the 1857 creation Union Co. and its detachment from Essex Co. Evergreen is now mostly in Union Co., but there is also a large adjoining chunk to the northeast in Essex Co. In an official brochure (of the 1980s?), Evergreen Cem. states that it was organized "as a non-profit, interdenominational cemetery in Lyon's Farms on the outskirts of Elizabethtown and Newark on March 23, 1853. The changes in governmental boundaries over the ensuing years has placed the cemetery in two counties, Union and Essex, and three communities: Elizabeth, Newark, and Hillside.....More than 120,000 persons have been buried in Evergreen. Represented among them are descendants of the 80 Associates who settled Elizabethtown in 1664, and the thirty people who arrived in Newark Town in 1666. Several nationally known writers are buried in Evergreen Cemetery. They include Stephen Crane (1876-1900), a poet and author of "The Red Badge of Courage," who is buried in his family plot....." Actually I believe the above dates for Stephen Ctane should be 1871-1900. Although he died in Germany, he is buried at Evergreen near his father, the Rev. Jonathan Townley Crane, 1819-1880, AFN:K57H-QH, and is said to be Jonathan's 14th child. I have Woodruff ancestors and a lot of Crane cousins, and I think its interesting that Woodruff appears to be the most common surname at both Hillside's Evergreen Cem. and Elizabeth's First Presbyterian Cem. And Crane may be a close second or third. The Evergreen brochure ends with: "You are invited to visit Evergreen anytime and enjoy its park-like beauty of trees, shrubs and flowers. On a stroll along its lovely winding roads and footpaths you will note on monuments and mausoleums the names of New Jersey's most illustrious families....." Sadly, according to Gary, you may also encounter some problems with living humans-- and not just the usual harassment by the restless spirits of the deceased. I feel that the often-helpful office staff at these large urban cemeteries tend to be even more helpful when you talk vaguely about a fancy upcoming burial and/or the purchase of some pricey new lakeview burial lots. Or call them on the phone, explaining that you're failing rapidly and are willing to pay almost anything for some deluxe space for a grand private mausoleum (maybe a reproduction of the Taj Mahal), but suggest that you first need some answers to some urgent questions about "old records." However, always avoid the word "genealogy," an especially scary word to cemetery staffers. After all, these people are in the business of burying the dead and not solving all the family mysteries of the living. John (in Chicago, where cemetery staff are usually very nice) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< << Subj: Visiting Evergreen Cemetery Date: 4/3/00 10:13:19 PM EDT From: [email protected] To: [email protected] For those of you coming from outside the Elizabeth area, please be aware that despite the outstanding groundskeeping and peaceful setting of this large cemetery, it is a dangerous place. People have been mugged, stabbed and shot at (if not shot) in this cemetery. It is attended, but it's quite a distance from front to back. So just use common sense. Lock your car, and try not to get too far away from it. Go with another person if possible. Stick to daylight hours (although I think they lock it up at dusk). Be paranoid and suspicious if you see anything (or anyone) strange. In other words, take the usual urban cemetery precautions..... >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Gary- Thanks for posting a correction to what I believe was my posting. The names on the cemetery adjacent to Evergreen were difficult to read. I guess that it is all a moot point now because the poster of the original query believes that her ancestors were buried in Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside. Bill [email protected] wrote: > That's "Oheb Sholom", and the other one is B'nai Jeshurun. Both are > Jewish cemeteries which I'm pretty sure are independent from Evergreen, > although I'm guessing they purchased their land from Evergreen. There's > just a row of hedges between Evergreen and B'nai Jeshurun, at least along > part of the boundary line. > > Gary > > P.S. I apologize for contradicting the original poster by presenting the > proper spelling of Oheb Sholom. ;-) > > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:19:01 -0700 (PDT) [email protected] > writes: > >There is an Evergreen Cemetery located just > >west of the Newark Airport in an area bounded by these major roads: > >Frelinghuysen, North Broad and Rt 22. There are two other cemeteries > shown to > >be adjacent to it and may be part of them. One of these is Oneb Sholen > and I > >can't read the name of the other. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hello John Flynn, This is all very interesting. My Gram mentioned the name, Whelan, but I always thought it was my great grandfather's mother. My great grandfather was born in Syracuse, NY in 1868. He married Adeline Florence Dennick Howarth at CHURCH OF THE HEAVENLY REST, Park Ave. Plainfield (I have been trying to find out what denomination, but have had no luck) in 1891. My ggrandfather, James Timothy Egan died in 1905 of pneumonia and is buried at St. Mary's Plainfield. Do you know who the father of Joseph Egan who married Mary Teresa Monahan was? That generation should be the same as my James Timothy Egan. Thanks [email protected]

For those of you coming from outside the Elizabeth area, please be aware that despite the outstanding groundskeeping and peaceful setting of this large cemetery, it is a dangerous place. People have been mugged, stabbed and shot at (if not shot) in this cemetery. It is attended, but it's quite a distance from front to back. So just use common sense. Lock your car, and try not to get too far away from it. Go with another person if possible. Stick to daylight hours (although I think they lock it up at dusk). Be paranoid and suspicious if you see anything (or anyone) strange. In other words, take the usual urban cemetery precautions. Finally, I have had varying experiences with the staff there over the years. Certainly, if you just need a couple of grave locations, there's never a problem. However, if you are interested in several families, or if you want copies of information in the ledger books (which show burials for which there are no tombstones), you may or may not get a pleasant reception. (Once I was told I had to submit my request in writing with a $25.00 check. And I was not looking for very much information on that visit!) Good luck! Gary On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:19:01 -0700 (PDT) [email protected] writes: >If you are going to the Evergreen Cemetery in Hillside, expect a pleasant >experience. I was there just 2-3 weeks ago and although I arrived only 15-20 >minutes before closing time of the office, the workers there were most >helpful. The grounds seem to be well-kept and all-in-all, it was a good time. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

That's "Oheb Sholom", and the other one is B'nai Jeshurun. Both are Jewish cemeteries which I'm pretty sure are independent from Evergreen, although I'm guessing they purchased their land from Evergreen. There's just a row of hedges between Evergreen and B'nai Jeshurun, at least along part of the boundary line. Gary P.S. I apologize for contradicting the original poster by presenting the proper spelling of Oheb Sholom. ;-) On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:19:01 -0700 (PDT) [email protected] writes: >There is an Evergreen Cemetery located just >west of the Newark Airport in an area bounded by these major roads: >Frelinghuysen, North Broad and Rt 22. There are two other cemeteries shown to >be adjacent to it and may be part of them. One of these is Oneb Sholen and I >can't read the name of the other. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Greetings, Fellow Researchers! I am currently researching the descendants of Ida "Lola" Duhamel and James Thomas "J. T." or "Thomas" Teeple, who were married on November 15, 1891 in Alma Twp., Marshall Co., MN. Around 1895-1900, they moved back to NJ where James Thomas had been born and raised. They had the following children: George (may have died in Trenton, Mercer Co, NJ in 1980), Alfred (married to Clara ? - he may have died in Bound Brook, Somerset Co., NJ in 1972), Walter (may have died in Newark, Essex Co., NJ in 1971, Russell, Benjamin (may have died in Paupack, PA in 1976), Zilda I. "Hazel?" (married ? Coeyman), Martin "Dutch" (who was born in South Plainfield, NJ about 1903 and died in Dunellen, NJ on 4-2-1958). I have learned that Alfred and Clara's daughter, Ida Alice Teeple, married Ronaldo De Muri on 4-12-1952 at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Plainfield, NJ. I have a copy of one of their wedding photos. If anyone can provide further info. on these relatives, please let me know. I'd like to include them and their descendants in this family history. Thanks! Good luck with your research projects! Joni Leffler (Oklahoma) [email protected]

Thanks Natasha, I think the cemetary I was looking for is in Hilllside. Someone sent a map. And it borders on Elizabeth, NJ. Peggy

NO THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CEMETERIES. ONE IS LOCATED RIGHT BEHIND ST. MARYS. THIS ONE IS EVERGREEN. IT IS VERY RUNDOWN AND HAS BEEN VANDILIZED. THEN THERE IS ST. MARY'S GRAVEYARD OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. IT IS NEAR RICHMOND STREET. NATASHA

No St. Mary's has it's own cetm. I grew up in Plainfield and have some Egans in family tree. Joseph Bernard Egan married Marcella Whelan i936...He had seven brothers and father was Joseph also mother was Mary Teresa Monahan. John Flynn

My Great Grandfather, James Timothy Egan, is supposed to be buried in ST. Mary's Church Yard, Plainfield, NJ. Is this the same cemetery as Evergreen? [email protected]

there is a Evergreen Cemetery located I believe on 4th street in Plainfield, Union County, New Jersey. If you call the St. Mary's church in Plainfield , they should be able to help you with records for I have been told they now hold them. I know this for I have relatvies buried there as well natasha

Bill...Thanks for the "map"...that's was great. I tried various zooms and got a much better idea of the relationship of near by towns. Very helpful. Peggy Bill Magie wrote: > Peggy- If you go to the following site, you can see a map of what is shown as > Evergreen Cemetery. > > Bill > *************************************************************

Peggy- If you go to the following site, you can see a map of what is shown as Evergreen Cemetery. http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&YY=28705&city=Elizabeth&state=NJ&slt=40.6639&sln=-74.2111&mlt=40.6927&mln=-74.2055&mag=8&cs=5&newmag=9 Bill ******************************************************************************************** Arlene & Tom Dunkum wrote: > Peggy and List, > > Please don't forget the Evergreen Cemetery in Plainfield, NJ. It is located > on Plainfield > Avenue between 4th & 5th Streets and in quite a state of disrepair. It is > owned by 2 Churches in Plainfield: > > First Park Baptist Church > 315 W. 7th Street > Plainfield, NJ 07060 > > and > > Convent United Methodist church > 631 E. Front Street > Plainfield, NJ 07060 > > First Park Baptist is wonderful about responding to letters but, > unfortunately, the United Methodist Church is not. I have written them > twice in the last 2 years, even sending a donation for the cemetery fund, > and they have never responded. This is most disappointing to me as, not > only am I United Methodist, my mother was a member of this church. > > Good luck, Peggy. If you find a relative in this Evergreen Cemetery, let me > know. I am going there in May and could try to find your relative's grave > and take a picture. > > Arlene Dunkum > > Peggy wrote: > > > Please provide location for Evergreen Cemetary. According to my > > gr-grandparents death certificates this is where they are buried. Unable > > to locate this cemetary in the county list. Does it have another name? > > My ancestors lived in Elizabeth, NJ. > > Peggy Tyrrell

Thanks Helaine, But I think it is the one in Hillside, NJ. Peggy Tyrrell Helaine Golann wrote: > Dear Peggy - The only Evergreens Cemetery or "Cemetery of the Evergreens" I > know is in Kings County, Brooklyn. Is there any chance your ancestors > might be buried there? > Helaine