I hope there are some Van Garden researchers on the lists. I am stuck on who the Van Garden parents might be for this Van Garden daughter. Based upon the church record and where the groom lived, her Van Garden parents could have lived in NY around Port Jervis, in Sussex Co. NJ, around the RDC Minisink, or on the PA side of the river where Matthew Winans was raised 1767-1787. Van Garden, Mary born 1760-1770 Married Matthew WINANS 3 July 1787 (RDC Machackemack-Minisink church records). After their marriage, they lived in Lower Smithfield (1790 census). Later, they lived in Middle Smithfield. He was a mail carrier and a weaver. Matthew Winans was born c. 1760 in probably Perth Amboy, Middlesex Co., NJ. In 1767 when he was 7 years old, his father moved to the Shawnee area of (then) Northampton Co., PA., so Matthew was raised to adulthood in this area. He could have met and courted Mary Van Garden in this area if this is where her family lived. However, none of their children were baptized at RDC Machkemeck-Minisink. They had 12 children (2 died young). Perhaps the names of the children in birth order provide clues. However, she does not seem to belong to a Samuel VanGarden who lived on the PA side of the river. Here are their children in birth order: -- Samuel 1788 -- Phebe 1790 (died young) -- Jacob 1792 (died young) ... Matthew's father was Jacob Winans -- Rachel 1794 -- Matthew 1795 -- Phebe 1796 -- John 1800 -- Isaac about 1803 -- Ann about 1806 -- Susan about 1808 -- Catherine about 1810 -- Clark 1813 There are few entries for WINANS (or Wynans) in RDC church records. Here they are: 1786 Dec 6 - WYNANS, Abigail married Samuel Seeley. 1814 July 3 - Elizabeth, daughter of Samuel WINANS (Matthew's son) and Elizabeth Depue was baptised. However, the marriage of Samuel Winans to Elizabeth Depue is not in RDC church records nor were any other of records of their children's baptisms in church records. Just this one baptism. I have been sorting through bits and pieces I have gathered on Van Garden families who had daughters Mary/Maria born during the 1760-1775 time period and so far am stumped as to whom she might belong. I hope Van Garden researchers can be of help in identifying who the Mary/Maria Van Garden born 1760-1770 might belong to. Helen Graves