Cynthia, Thomas Chambers, Lord of the Manor (King of the castle) is the guy I was referring to, no he didn't have any kids of his own but his step-kids took his name, he even stipulated that in his will. I don't know why he's referred to as Surgeon but that's what the very first page says in R.R.Hoes Like I said before I have no idea if this is the same family as in NJ, PA & OH w/ my John Courtright, I just thought it was interesting. I'm really trying to figure out who John was travelling w/, there were no other Courtrights, so it had to be his wife's family or cousins. Cindy