THe LDS has on their site the birth of son John in 1785 to the above named couple. Numerous people have told me this couple did indeed have a son named John but no one has been able to give a date of birth or baptism. The source for this LDS submission is "Patron sheets, 1969-1991 Patron submitted forms ". I've seen a date as early as 1769 for this son. The 1785 date makes more sense & it would rule him out as a possible "suspect" in the "find-my-John contest. Since Margaret was the d/o Daniel Westfall & Samuel was the s/o Arien Cortright, I'm sure their sons Aaron & Daniel were the 2 oldest. There are no baptism records for these two sons, but naming patterns, baptismal witnesses & Samuel's will cofirm them. Daniel C. married Appolonia Westfall 10/27/1794, Aaron C. married Elizabeth Onstott 10/13/1805. The first child of Samuel & Margarets to appear in the baptismal records is on Nov 25, 1776 for Elizabeth. The next child of Samuel & Margaret's to appear in the baptismal records is for Lydia Nov 1, 1780. (Which I have to add is the same day that John Cortright, Samuel's brother, & Susanna Kittle had their son John baptised.). Later in the 1850 NJ census Lydias birthdate would be closer to 1775. We then have a huge gap, child Rheuben born Apr 23, 1790 & bap. Jul 25, 1790. Then another large gap, son Petrus born June 28, 1798 but whose baptism either did not occur or was not recorded until Oct 14, 1807. (Which again I have to add is the same day that my John Courtright & Mary Clark had their daughter Sara bap. who was born 8/16/1798). We know from Samuel's will of 1828 that he also had a daughter Ellen who married George Westfall. I don't know who he was or if they had children. I have no marriage record for them. The witnesses for his will were Sanford Clark, Nancy L. Van Deusen & JL Van Deusen. Who are they? I'm especially interested in Sanford Clark. He can't be the Sanford Clark who also left a will in 1827, naming father John, wife Sarah & children Nancy & Catherine. As always, any & all clues appreciated! Cindy Cindy Torres Owens cindyo@va.prestige.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/o/w/e/Cindy-L-Owens/index.html