http://www.njherald.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Karen Isley Seiferth [mailto:KIS1@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:17 AM To: NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Obituary info Seeking obit regarding my cousin, Walter (Buddy) Cook, who died in January/February, 2000. He lived in the Newton area for many years. What newspaper would most likely carry his obit? Your help is most appreciated. Best regards, Karen Isley Seiferth

Seeking obit regarding my cousin, Walter (Buddy) Cook, who died in January/February, 2000. He lived in the Newton area for many years. What newspaper would most likely carry his obit? Your help is most appreciated. Best regards, Karen Isley Seiferth

I remember hearing that parts of Pennsylvania and New Jersey were under Connecticutts jurisdiction in the 1700's. Can anyone direct me to any sites where I might be able to get more information on this. I am wondering if this is a possibility in exploring some of my dead end Sussex County lines. Thanks. Patrice Houck Schadt

Does anyone know of any sites relating to the Provinces of East Jersey and West Jersey. I would like to know more of History and Records as a possibility to check for early Sussex Families. Thanks. Patrice Houck Schadt

One word of caution. One month after you throw something out you will need it. Janine -----Original Message----- From: tallygators@earthlink.net [SMTP:tallygators@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:00 AM To: NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] SLAGHT, SNOOK.VANCE, DECKER, RAYMOND, VANHORN. RUNYON I am a "pack rat" and have folders full of superflous papers so I am in a "throw away" mood and am cleaning out these folder.

Hi Jeannette, Is your Byram by chance Japhet, b. 1721, d. 1798, who married Mrs. Mary Chamberlain in 1762? My line is through their son Seth Benjamin Byram, b. 1763. Linda K in NC -----Original Message----- From: RiJe6365@aol.com <RiJe6365@aol.com> To: NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com <NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Re: Ron Cox/325 NJ individuals >Ron, > >Among all those NJ surnames...325, I think you mentioned for between 1730 >and 1800's are you sure you don't have at least one HENDERSON >....specifically James, or John, and specifically Sussex Co.?? I've run >out of leads for father of my Mary A. Henderson, b. 1811 or so, in or near >Vernon, Sussex Co. > >Jeannette > >Some of my NJ surnames...CHAMBERLAIN, HEBDERSON, BYRAM. >

From my posting Monday on Emigration to Canada from NJ after the Revolution, from email received it appears that some believe, or I gave the impression; that I had done a study on those who emigrated from NJ after the Revolution, NOT SO. I started out researching Jacob Smith Sr., who married Elizabeth Lewis c. 1761, and who emigrated in the summer of 1788 with his wife and 13 children. Two children were married to children of Henry Huffman of Knowlton Twp.; and had 5 children. All evidence indicates they were accompanied to Canada by John Book Sr., his wife and 6 children. The Smith children generally married into other "Loyalist" families from NJ, some being unrelated Smiths. In trying to sort the intermarriages out, I became involved with delving into other family names. So I don't have a database of all emigres from NJ after the revolution, just the names of a few. [Nor do I have all their NJ relatives on file.] In time, a sort of a rough coalition of researchers has evolved. We are generally all blood cousins, and all trying to make sense out of all the various interplays, both in Canada and the US. We share, and both try and correct errors in earlier work and expand the descendants [and often interplays]. And so my NJ origin names grew, as well as my database showing the relationships, and contacts with other researchers with NJ ancestors that settled in the Niagara peninsula. In some cases I may have only one occurence of a surname- the spouse of someone. In other cases, I have a name and no birthplace; hence the individual would not appear on the list/count even if born in NJ. `````````````````````` My purpose in posting was in response to Kelsey Jone's comments that the historians have downplayed the size of the exodus after the Revolution, and to give a rough indication of one researcher's findings. I thought my response might help broaden our insights into one area of our common past. In addition, my readings of the early NJ history appears to have been "revised". [A not uncommon practice of historians/movie makers IMHO.] Hence trying to get meaningful insights on contributions made can become difficult. As I compare notes with others, we often comment/ask, "Who was left in Sussex Co. after this exodus?" There are so many in Canada. And as whole families emigrated, we rarely see any one asking about our families on the List. But like prospectors, we occasionally strike "gold" just by lurking. `````````````````````````` Now I'll ask for help- anyone stumble on any references to my elusive Jacob Smith Sr.(1739-1821), who married Elizabeth Lewis (1741-1790) c. 1761? We are told they spoke German, and lived 4 miles from Log Gaol. As the two oldest children married the oldest of Henry Huffman of Knowlton Twp., one would think the Smiths were close by. Lots of evidence on the Huffman's is available, some on the Books, but on Jacob and family- zilch. Rateables, land, church, etc. I am aware of him being the supposed son of Mathias of Hunterdon Co., but I can find no evidence to support this claim. [Lots of new stuff on Mathias & family however. :-))] This link started in the late 1930s, following the discovery of a reference in the "Early Germans of NJ" [and incidentally this info contains errors when compared to the source.] Can anyone comment that he might have lived in Pennsylvania, and families moved back and forth? -- Ronald (RON) Cox, U.E., 74 Brunswick Dr., Beaconsfield, QC, H9W 5H2, CAN <roncox@cam.org> "He, who takes no interest in the history of his ancestors, does not deserve to be remembered by his posterity." The box said "Requires Windows 95 or Better", so I bought a Macintosh !! Ireland to Quebec City, Canada in 1818 - The Talbot Party from Cork. Includes information on a constructed list (not a manifest) of the settlers: http://www.cam.org/~roncox/Talbot_Emigration.html Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. :-)

Greetings, I had a chance to visit the Beemerville cemetery this past weekend during our trip to the east coast to visit family. I was able to find my 'supposed' ancestors Henry Roleson and his wife Mary Van Syckle's grave. The cemetery does not appear to be maintained very well. I was wondering if anyone knew who (if anyone) 'owned' the cemetery. The most recent burial I saw was from around 1905 so the cemetery doesn't appear to be actively used any longer. Regards, Rick Novak

Amelia Sarah CHAMBELAIN was born 1857 in Green Township and died in Newton, NJ. She married Albet Mahlon SLAGHT 1879. Notice in New Jersey Herald and Sussex County Democrat read: married in Lafayette, at the ME Parsonage by Rev. W. H. Haggerty George SLAGHT of Newton and Millie CHAMBERLAIN of Andover. Am having a hard time finding her parents. Her death certificate leaves father blank and for mother only CHAMBERLAIN.. In an interview, her daughter stated her mother was Sarah FLATT CHAMBERLAIN. In the 1860 census of Byram Twp, Sussex County, I find Delia CHAMBERLAIN 38 as head of household with Amelia 4 and James 3 months. 1850 census Sparta, Sussex shows this CHAMBERLAIN family: Hiram 30 (occupation " Bloomer"), Delia Ann 29, Mahlon 7, Liltha 6, Absalom 3, Mary 2. Can anyone help? Floreda

Can anyone on the list tell me if burial permits are required in the State of New Jersey, and if so, when they were required and who maintains those records? Thanks, Dick Shoemaker Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hi, Folks... I've added Mt. Methodist Cemetery, Mansfield Township, Warren County, to my web site. You can see it at http://raub-and-more.com/mtbethel.html Jan Reuther

Ron, Among all those NJ surnames...325, I think you mentioned for between 1730 and 1800's are you sure you don't have at least one HENDERSON ....specifically James, or John, and specifically Sussex Co.?? I've run out of leads for father of my Mary A. Henderson, b. 1811 or so, in or near Vernon, Sussex Co. Jeannette Some of my NJ surnames...CHAMBERLAIN, HEBDERSON, BYRAM.

John (b: 1743) and Sufia (b:1747) both born Oxford, Susses, NJ. Their children: John b April 10, 1761, sp: Catherine Snyder, Mary b: Nov 12, 1769, sp: John Frederick Folkner, William b: 1770, sp: Mary ?, Catharine b: ?, John Mingle and John Frederick Folkner were loyalists, and moved their families to Ontario. I'm interested in finding out more information on these families. thank, Mikkie

> This is not a scientific nor scholarly dissertation, just some > observations that have been evolving over the years as I researched > one Smith family.But the children seemed to marry cousins or children > of old NJ neighbors, and hence as you tried to sort out all the > in-laws, you encountered the other family names. [And there are > several unrelated Smith families to add to the fun. :-))] > Hi Ron, I enjoyed the article on the NJ familys that went on into Canada. I did notice you mentioned the Smith familys from NJ quite a lot. Would you have anything on a James Smith, b. ca. 1760, and married aroiund 1785 a Sarah Golden? I have no actual dates on Sarah, and realize there were many Golden, Gouling, Goulding families there is Sussex Co. Their daughter, Mary Smith, b. 30 June, 1786 may have been born around Paterson, NJ. She married a William Hamlin in Lewis Co. Ky, in 1811. Would apprciate anything you might have on this family. Thank you, Nancy, in Missouri

Hi, folks... I've added another small page to my web site, the Vought-Howell family, at http://RAUB-and-more.com/voughthowell.html Surnames included in this Bible record include Vought, McMurtrie, Howell, Albertson, Butler, Read, Shuster, Kishpaugh, Wyker, and Luse. Jan Reuther

I am seeking information about Matthias RODGERS who m. Mary SHILES and had children: Abraham W. ROGERS b. 1816 d. 1851 m. Sally Jane MIDDAUGH Jacob ROGERS The lived in Wantage Twp. Sussex Co. NJ Jeanne Rogers Barnard

Susanna RODGERS b. January 23, 1785 dtr of Cornelius RODGERS m. Drake DUNN, son of Daniel DUNN and Sarah. Their children were Daniel, Jr b. abt. 1811, Christian and Abraham Rogers Dunn. Does anyone have any info about this family? Jeanne Rogers Barnard

Greetings Researchers, Some Loyalists from NJ biographies appear in the "NJ Historical Society Proceedings" #11 (1926) and #12 (1927) For my own records, I jotted down some of the names a while ago. I have no further info on these names but present them here as an informal and incomplete idex of what's available. Allen, Allward, Alston, Anderson, Ansley, Antill, Atchison, Bainbridge, Baker, Baneroft, Banks, Banta, Barberie, Barnes, Barron, Barton, Batwell, Bedell, Beers, Bell, Benson, Bickle, Blane, Blakeney, Bleau, Blunt, Boggs, Bonnell, Bowen, Bowlby, Brittain, Brown, Browne, Burkitt, Bunet, Cadmus, Callagher, Cameron, Campbell, Chandler, Clark, Clawson, Clendennig, Cloud, Collins, Coxe (Capt John, Daniel), Drake, Dunham, Dunn, Earle, Fitz Randolph, Ford, Gov. Wm Franklin, Fraser, Gray, Grover, Hall, Capt Charles Harrison, Christopher Harrison to Annapolis, NS, Lt James Harrison, Hatfield (to Shelburne, NS), Hatton, Heard, Hendricks, Henry, Hutchison, Johnston, Kearny, Kemble, Kennedy, LeGrange, Lawrence, Leonard, Lewis, Long, Longstreet, Luce, McCrea, McCulloch, Millidge, Munro, Nat'l Monro, Noble. Odell, Ogden, Osborne, Pearce, Pearson, Perrine, Peterson, Price, Reid, Reynolds, Rice, Richards, Roberts. Robins, Ryerson, Sayre, Skinner, Smith, Smyth, Sorrell, Stelle, Stevenson, Stewart, Stillwell, Stockton, Stout, Stretch, Taylor, Thatcher, Thompson, Throckmorton, VanAllen, Van Buskirk, VanCortlandt, Van Mater, Ward, White, Williams, Wilson, Woodward, Wright Again, this is not the complete listing - just the names I recognized and made quick note of. Hope this helps, Cathy DiPietro listowner: NJSussex-L

On Friday, Kelsey Jones started a string on migration to Canada by Loyalists during and after the Revolution, and their numbers. This is not a scientific nor scholarly dissertation, just some observations that have been evolving over the years as I researched one Smith family.But the children seemed to marry cousins or children of old NJ neighbors, and hence as you tried to sort out all the in-laws, you encountered the other family names. [And there are several unrelated Smith families to add to the fun. :-))] `````````````````````````` Doing a search in my database, I see that I have 305 entries born in NJ between 1730 and 1800, with 70 different family names. [If I look at USA for the same period, I see 441 individuals with still more surnames.] Family names for these 305 individuals are: BATES, BEAM, BEAMER, BEEMER, BELL, BERDAN, BIGGS, BOOK, BOUGHNER, BRIGGS, BROUWN, BUNN, CARPENTER, COLLVER, COON, CRANE, CULVER, CUMMINS, DEWITT, EMERY, FISHER, FRAZIER, GLOVER, GOBLE, GORDON, GREEN, GUSTIN, HEATH, HIXON, HOPKINS, HOWELL, HUFFMAN, JOHNSON, KEEFER, KELLY, KELSEY, KERN, KIBLER, KITCHEN, KONKLE, KRIBS, LEWIS, LONDON, MANN, McCLARY, MILLER, MILLS, MOORE, NIXON, OGDEN, PETTIT, RARICK, ROSZEL, ROY, SHAVER, SMITH, SOVEREIGN, STENABAUGH, SWAYZE, SWAZEY, TEMPLER, THATCHER, TRILLER, VAN VYE, WHITESELL, WINTERSTEIN, WOOLVERTON, YOUNG, ZIMMERMAN ``````````````````````` If you delve into early Sussex Co. history, you will probably encounter many of these family names and see their contribution to the early development of the County. Log Gaol was built on Green land for instance, and Nathaniel Pettit was a judge and more. Some left for their political beliefs, others were imprisoned, others "lost" everything. Still others just left just to better themselves. By and large, these are all people who emigrated to Canada as a result of the Revolution, some qualified for the designator of United Empire Loyalist {UE}, and thus received free land for their family and each of their children as they came of age; some did not. While the bulk of the Loyalist exodus was before 1790, it continued into the early 1800s from my observations. Some [descendants] did return to the US in later years- a small percentage of the overall descendants. ```````````` The Revolution was a nasty piece of business if you had Loyalist/Tory leanings [see quote at end for highlights of Loyalists]. The US lost a lot of valuable "contributors" to society. But the Revolution greatly accelerated Canada's evolution. Many of these talented "evicted" individuals, went on to make valuable contributions in creating a new country- what became Canada in 1867. ``````````````` My observations are that most of the above named Sussex County families settled in Lincoln and Wentworth Counties. It seems that in some townships, almost all the original settlers were from Sussex Co., NJ. Whereas in other townships, you'll see that many of the early settlers were predominately from Pennsylvania, etc. And then in-laws, brother's or sister's came to visit, married and stayed- e.g. TICKNORs from Connecticut. Or the reverse, and the married couple came to Canada to settle, e.g. LOWDENs from NY. Other emigrants waited until the old folks died, and the 1812-1814 war clouds started to form, e.g. Philip Huffman. Oh yes the family were Loyalists, father was accused of "seditious" comments [had 300 acres in Knowlton Twp.], and his older brother Christopher was in the NJ Volunteers, and subjected to property confiscation. Norfolk Co. Settlers Norfolk has a little different background than many of the other counties, in that Lord Simcoe went "scouting" for settlers, offering free land. Hence you will find many Loyalists who fled first to New Brunswick and then came to Norfolk, e.g. Abraham Smith, Long Point; came from New York via New Brunswick. And in some cases, an early emigrating Sussex Co.family would settle in one township, and then move on, e.g. Othneil Smith settled first in Ancaster Twp., near his brothers and old neighbors; before moving to Norfolk Co. In some cases you will find a family name in both Wentworth and Norfolk Counties, but try and find the connection linking them together- e.g. Pettit. `````````` From My draft family history, a couple of observations On Emigration Routes In 1788, four Northampton Co., Pennsylvania families began to make plans to leave- William Rymal, Aaron Kribs, Michael Hess, and Henry Smith. Probably travelling on horseback, the four men followed the trail north along the Delaware River to Stroudsborough (on the east bank of the Delaware River, at the Delaware Water Gap) then west to Old Forge (Scranton area]) They followed the Susquehanna River to Elmira, New York. The old settlers road went through Bath, N.Y. to the Ontario and Genessee Turnpike Road that connected the Buffalo Creek (now the City of Buffalo) with the trail north along the Niagara River. They were ferried into British territory at the mouth of the Niagara River (Fort Niagara). The following year these four families emigrated with their wives and children, and being joined by Jacob Rymal to settle in Barton Twp., Wentworth Co. "Teams of horses and oxen pulled wagons piled high with food, equipment, tools, furniture, etc. There were small animals, chickens and geese in crates. Cows were tied to the rear of the wagons. Some horses carried packs upon which the children would sometimes ride when they became tired of walking. The train moved slowly along keeping to level ground as much as possible and keeping to established trails whenever able. At the bottom of the valleys it was a matter of avoiding swampy areas, maneuvering the wagons over the boulders in the stream beds the up the next hill. Everyone was bone weary when they stopped at the end of each day. There were then several hours of work in making camp for the night. The animals had to be tethered and fed. Only what was needed to make camp was unloaded from the wagons. The women prepared the evening meal. The older children brought water from the nearest stream and gathered firewood. The men watered the stock and built temporary shelters from canvas brought for that purpose. Some slung hammocks between trees for sleeping. Some of the children slept in the wagons. The rest made sleeping pallets on the ground. They arrived at their destination without incident." From Hess Family of Barton, John R. Gallagher. From other NJ family's recollections, it appears that this was an accepted route. It is known that the Beam family also scouted the "new land" before bringing the rest of the family. No doubt there were others. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ On Backgrounds/Origins of Sussex Co. Emigrants From my observations of the backgrounds/origins of the early Wentworth County settlers, there are two general patterns present; * Those whose roots go back to the mid 1600s or earlier along the eastern seaboard. e.g. names like Pettit, Green, Howell, Kitchen, Lewis, John Smith and Sarah Freeman, Joseph Smith's myriad children, etc. English roots, established, respected members of their communities, often prominent personages. Families were often split on their loyalties, some being imprisoned for their views, properties confiscated, etc. * Later arrivals to the US- mid to late 1700s. e.g. Huffman, Book, Rymal, Hess, Krib, John Smith [and Anna Roy], etc. Predominately Germanic roots, struggling to become established in the new world. `````````````````````````` And as Kelsey implied in his original message, the revisionists have done a good job on writing our history.:-(( What we find as genealogists, is often very different than what the history books show. Ron Cox, UE ````````````````````````` My Britannica CD has this entry if you are not familiar with the Loyalist story. "Loyalists, also called TORY, colonist loyal to Great Britain during the American Revolution. Loyalists constituted, about one-third of the population of the American colonies during that conflict. They were not confined, to any particular group or class, but their numbers were strongest among the following groups:, office holders and others who served the British crown and had a vested interest in upholding its, authority; Anglican clergymen and their parishioners in the North, who had likewise taken vows of, allegiance and obedience to the king; Quakers, members of German religious sects, and other, conscientious pacifists; and large landholders, especially in the North, and wealthy merchant groups in, the cities whose businesses and property were affected by the war. The most common trait among all, Loyalists was an innate conservatism coupled with a deep devotion to the mother country and the, crown. Many Loyalists at first urged moderation in the struggle for colonial rights and were only driven, into active Loyalism by radical fellow colonists who denounced as Tories all who would not join them., Loyalists were most numerous in the South, New York, and Pennsylvania, but they did not constitute a, majority in any colony. New York was their stronghold and had more than any other colony. New, England had fewer Loyalists than any other section. "The Loyalists did not rise as a body to support the British army, but individuals did join the army or, form their own guerrilla units. New York alone furnished about 23,000 Loyalist troops, perhaps as, many as all the other colonies combined. The Loyalist fighters aroused a vengeful hatred among the, Patriots (as the American Revolutionaries called themselves), and when taken in battle they were treated, as traitors. George Washington detested them, saying as early as 1776 that "they were even higher and, more insulting in their opposition than the regulars." , "Congress recommended repressive measures against the Loyalists, and all states passed severe laws, against them, usually forbidding them from holding office, disenfranchising them, and confiscating or, heavily taxing their property. Beginning in March 1776, approximately 100,000 Loyalists fled into, exile. (This was between 3 and 4 percent of the total number of settlers in the colonies, which is, estimated at 2,500,000-3,000,000 during the Revolutionary period.) The largest portion of those who, fled ultimately went to Canada, where the British government provided them with asylum,, compensating them for losses in property and income and paying pensions to Loyalist officers. Public, sentiment in the United States against the Loyalists died down significantly after government began, under the new U.S. Constitution in 1789, and the remaining state laws against them were repealed after, the War of 1812." -- Ronald (RON) Cox, U.E., 74 Brunswick Dr., Beaconsfield, QC, H9W 5H2, CAN <roncox@cam.org> "He, who takes no interest in the history of his ancestors, does not deserve to be remembered by his posterity." The box said "Requires Windows 95 or Better", so I bought a Macintosh !! Ireland to Quebec City, Canada in 1818 - The Talbot Party from Cork. Includes information on a constructed list (not a manifest) of the settlers: http://www.cam.org/~roncox/Talbot_Emigration.html Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. :-)

> Looking for location of a Private Burial Ground in Hampton Twp., mentioned in Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 1, 1925-26. Names of those interred there include BALE, NORTHRUP, STRADER, LANTZ, and COUSE. > > Thank you, > Sheryl Gunderman Robinson > This burying ground is located in the north-east corner of the township on the second road south of Ross' Corners running westward from the highway between Sussex and Newton. It is (or was, in 1925 or 26) on a high gravel bank just beyond the first house, and on what was known as the Dominie Griffin farm. Jan Reuther