Re-subscribed 3 days ago, and have received no postings. Just checking to see if this one comes back to me. Kathy

I am looking for information on John & Mary Shauger, who appear in the 1860 census in Sparta with children William H. age 8, Ellen J. age 5, and Amelia age 2. Parents and children were all born in New Jersey. I am particularly trying to find their connection to Jacob Rorick and his wife, Elizabeth Wilson. In reviewing some microfilmed info an unrelated Rorick family that I got through my local Family History Center, I found that that researcher had corresponded with a descendant of Jacob and Elizabeth (a distant cousin of mine) in the early 1960s. She gave him a typed list of Jacob and Elizabeth's children which included a handwritten note that one daughter (no first name) married a Shauger (no first name). Many of Jacob and Elizabeth's children emigrated to Lenawee County, MI. In the 1870 census, I find Ellen and Amelia Shauger living with members of the extended Rorick family there, with birthdates that correspond to the two children from the 1860 census and their birthplace given as New Jersey. There are also two additional, younger Shauger children, Lucy and Susan, living in Lenawee County in 1870. I have not located the son, William H. I know that the Lenawee County Roricks took in the children of two of their brothers who died relatively young (along with their wives) back in Sussex County, so I am inclined to believe that these four Shauger girls are, in fact, relatives, and that that handwritten note has an element of truth in it. But, I have been unable to connect their parents to Jacob and Elizabeth. Jacob's will does mention a granddaughter named Mary, and there is a Mary Rorick living with Jacob and Elizabeth in the 1850 census who seems too young to be their daughter. It would make sense that, if she lived with them, she would be the only grandchild singled out in his will. But, I have been unable to connect her to any of Jacob and Elizabeth's children that I am aware of. So, I thought I would throw this one out to the list. Can anyone else shed any light on this family? Thanks in advance. Carol Ann Hilton http://www.geocities.com/carolann_hilton/Rorick.html

Hi I have a few LOSEY's in my data. Casper LOSEY b.d. ? Emma HUFF b. 1834 Joseph LOSEY Sara Ann HUFF b. 11/23/1852 in Stillwater TWP., Sussex Co., NJ Morris W. LOSEY Adaline HUFF b. 1/5/1850 in Stillwater TWP., Sussex Co., NJ m. 4 July 1871 Sussex Co., NJ I have deleted your web address please resubmit. Thank you Allen Johnson ajohnson@twcny.rr.com

I fixed the links and color, sorry about that. If you go back be sure to 'reload' the page. Thank you to everyone who emailed me about the problems. Sharon Rhodes

Looking for the parents of Charles Counterman b 2 July 1883, brothers Oscar and Finley, sister Mabel. Charlotte

Looking for the parents of Elizabeth Biles Howell who married John Stinson Howell of Hope. Marriage took place about 1820. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you. Cathy

Hello List, I am searching for any record of a Lenah or Elanah Bodine marraige to a John Frazer about 1788. Thank you, in Wisconsin, Charlene

ROGER D. JOSLYN, CG, FASG BORN IN NEW YORK, BUT WHERE IN NEW YORK SATURDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2000 10:30 A M Orange County Genealogical Society 1841 Historic Courthouse 101 Main Street, Goshen, NY 10924 Working back from the 20th to the 17th, century the focus of this presentation is on sources, which help identify research on an individual or family when only "born in New York" may be know. Discussion concentrates on records of the 19th century---most researchers' "brick wall" ---and includes in-depth coverage of certain key sources. About our speaker Roger D. Joslyn, CG, FASG, is a Fellow of the American Society of Genealogists and the Utah Genealogical Association. He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of California at Davis. A full-time genealogist since 1978, he became a Certified Genealogist in 1981. He is a member of numerous genealogical organizations, including the New England Historic Genealogical Society, where he was a part-time staff member from 1978 to 1982; the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, where he serves on the Education and Publication Committee and the Library Committee; and the National Genealogical Society, where he served on program committees for that organization's annual Conference in the States; the Orange County Genealogical Society. A genealogical writer, his articles have appeared in The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, the American Genealogist, The Genealogist, The New England Historic and Genealogical Resister, the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, The Mayflower Descendant, and several other national publications. He is the author of the Mid-Atlantic state chapters in Ancestry's Red Book. Roger has lectured widely on New York topics. Mr. Joslyn lives in the Hudson Valley of New York with his wife, Barbara, two sons, and three cats. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC Reservations are not mandatory, but to allow for sufficient handouts to be available for all those in attendance, we ask that you advise us in advance of your interest in this program. You may send a post card to the address listed above or send an e-mail to <mvtgrterry@aol.com>

the url might help http://www.geocities.com/losey_losee/

I finally put my Loseys online, still working on an index and references. Suggestions, corrections and additions welcome. sharon rhodes

Hello everyone, I received the following email and have no idea what the answer is, can anyone help this person? Thanks, ---Mark http://home.att.net/~mforder (images of papers from the late 1800's) -----Original Message----- From: keffhome [mailto:keffhome@interl.net] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:08 AM To: mforder@worldnet.att.net Subject: marriage Do you know the average age people married in the 1800's,( either early or late 1800's or both) in America? Thank you for any help you can give me. I don't know quite hewe to go for this info. Your site is great! Pat K

Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Update Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:48:29 -0500 Just updated my web site. Nancy Pascal http://www.gate.net/~pascalfl/ ______________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Carol, Thank you for sending me the dates and spouse's names for the marriage records that I requested. It is much appreciated. I put this on the list so that anyone else who might have intended to do the lookups knows that I already have them. Sincere thanks. Mona in Indiana

Dear Don, I can't give you a clear cut answer to Samuel Johnson's family but can give you a possibility: In 1724 "Court Jansen & Churtie Laen of the Raretans" had a child bpt at FreeholdRDC, Monmouth Co, NJ. In 1730s-1741 time frame property of "Court Johnson" appears in at least one land desciption at Readington [Reading or Reading town], Hunterdon Co, NJ. [Property transfer from Adriaen Lane, this Court's father-in-law, to Gerret Van Sickle] Adriaen Lane was one of the first settlers to Somerset/Hunterdon Co, NJ and a founder [c1710/11] of the Six Mile Run RDC at [now] Franklin Park, NJ. Unfortunately, most of the pre-1743 records for Six Mile Run have been lost so if your Samuel was bpt there prior to 1743 you aren't going to find his baptismal record. There are a number of "Jansen" bpts on the records of the Readington & Raritan RDCs but I don't (on a quick go-through), find a Samuel recorded. Perhaps you'd find something on him in the NJ wills for Jansen/Johnson families of the area. Good luck, Laurie mailto:light30@earthlink.net Seeking to untangle the NJ branches of the Van Sickle families! ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Kronenberger <sdkron@hotmail.com> To: <NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Re: Braden/Breden and Samuel Johnson > Sue Beach's message refers to a "deed of conveyance from Samuel JOHNSON late > of Kingwood in the County of Hunterdon deceased and Mary his wife bearing > the date" Aug. 25, 1761. Is anyone familiar with this JOHNSON family? > > Don in Georgia > sdkron@hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > >

I would appreciate it if someone has the Volumes of the marriage returns and could look up the following: Peter BROSS, Bk. A, p. 259 Mary BROSS, Bk. A, p. 255 Sarah BROSS, Bk. A., p. 255 Enock A. BROSS, Bk. A, p. 262 John BROSS, Bk. A, p. 265 Susan A. BROSS, Bk. A., p. 319 Peter V. BROSS, Bk. A, p. 355 Mary BROSS. Bk. A., p. 357 John GIVENS, Jr., Bk. A, p. 252 William GIVENS,. Bk. A., p. 256 Eliza GIVENS, Bk. A, p. 288 Elisabeth GIVENS, Bk. A., p. 289 Joel INGERSOLL, Bk. A, p. 254 Elba INGERSOLL, Bk. A, p. 362 Charles W. INGERSOLL, Book B, p. 352 W. S. INGERSOLL. Bk. B, p. 421 William S. INGERSOLL. Bk. A, p. 539 Sincere thanks if someone can do this. Mona in Indiana

Does anyone have access to the Warren Co. Wills? Shedrach F. SMITH (1807 - 1881)was from the Stillwater area of Sussex Co., NJ. His first wife was Mariah R. COX who he married in 1832 died in 1850. He then married Nancy WINTERMUTE in 1851. She died in 1860. His third wife was Elizabeth Hanburg, m in 1862. Shedrach went to Warren Co., before 1870 and ided there in 1881. His left a will, 2856U. I am trying to determine if he had a son, Charles SMITH, born May 1857/58 who married Laura GROVER and was living in Byram Twp in 1900. Shedrach is buried in Hamburg Bapt. Cem. with first wife, Mariah in the same plot as his parents, Nathan SMITH and Mary FOUNTAIN. Nancy Pascal pascalfl@gate.net

I have an ancestor by the name of Benjamin Edsall KNOX (b. 1841) from Sussex County. I wonder if he was a namesake or somehow linked to this family. Any info would be apprciated. Colin Ringleib Researching RINGLEIB, CERCHIONE, LAWRENCE, WILLSON, STEVENS, FOLEY, KNOX, COLLINS, DRAKE families particularly in northwestern NJ. -----Original Message----- From: Robert H. Smith [mailto:hawkridge@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:42 AM To: NJSUSSEX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Bailey EDSALL I have asked in the past if anyone had access to the address given by B. B. EDSALL. I finally found the information about the address but still have not read it. >From The FELCONE Collection: "The First Sussex Centennary" containing the addresses of Benjamin B. EDSALL, Esq. and Rev. J. F. TUTTLE. With notes, appendix, &. Newark: Printed at the Daily advertiser office. 1853. 102 pages. The first history of Sussex County. Benjamin Bailey EDSALL (1811-1868) was born at Maspeth, Long Island, and learned the printing trade as a youth. In 1833 he came to Newton, Sussex County, as an assistant to the proprietor of the Sussex Register. Edsall remained with that newspaper all his life, becoming a partner and eventually owner. He was a prominent figure in Newton and in Sussex County. Joseph Farrand TUTTLE (1818-1902) was born in Bloomfield, graduated from Marietta College in 1841, and was licensed to preach in 1844. He was pastor of the church at Rockaway, Morris County, from 1847 until 1862 when he was named president of Wabash College. he retired from the presidency in 1892, and lived in Crawfordsville, Indiana until his death.

Sue Beach's message refers to a "deed of conveyance from Samuel JOHNSON late of Kingwood in the County of Hunterdon deceased and Mary his wife bearing the date" Aug. 25, 1761. Is anyone familiar with this JOHNSON family? Don in Georgia sdkron@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Dear Sue, I have found two references that you may not have seen before. I believe they give the place of residence in New Jersey of your Robert Braden and his occupation. On page 468 of "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" in the section about the Landon family it says that at the May 1771 term of the Sussex County Court Daniel Landon was one of two sureties as required by law in the granting of a license to "Robert Breden of Hardwick" to set up as a tavern-keeper. Today the town of Hardwick is in Warren County, NJ, but Warren County was formed from Sussex County on 20 Nov 1824. So in 1771 Hardwick would have been in Sussex County. You mention that Robert's wife may have been a Sarah WRIGHT. In the NJ "Calendar of Wills 1761-1770" on page 491 I found that on 8 Nov 1763 it was noted by the Court that one William Wright of Roxbury, Morris County, yeoman, had died intestate. Robert Wright of said county was appointed Administrator. His fellow bondsman was Robert Braden of Hardwick, Sussex County, yeoman. The witness was one John Todd. John Todd and Robert Breden had taken the inventory of William Wright's estate on 29 Oct 1763 and valued his possessions at 45 Pounds and 15 Shillings. Might William Wright, deceased, have been Robert Breden's father-in-law? I can't remember the name of it, but I believe there is a hereditary Society for the descendants of Colonial Tavern Keepers. Is it called "Flagon and Trencher"? At any rate, they might be able to tell you more about your elusive Robert Breden :-). Dorothy On Sat, 18 Nov 2000, Sue Beach wrote: > I have not posted to this list in quite some time and thought perhaps it > would be good to send out my Sussex Co. dead end. I need all the help I > can get on this one. > > On 21 November 1792, Robert BRADEN (or BREDEN) signed a document giving > power of attorney to his son Joseph BRADEN to allow Joseph to sell Robert's > lands in New Jersey. Both Robert & Joseph were living in Loudoun Co., VA > by this date. > > On 28 March 1794, an indenture deed from Robert BRADEN (also shown as > BREDEN) (by son Joseph BRADEN as power of attorney) to Jacob HAGAR selling > lands in Sussex Co., New Jersey, was filed . The indenture deed reads in > part as follows: (Sussex Co., New Jersey Deed Book V A-B, pg 250-251) > "This Indenture ... Robert Braden of the County of Loudoun and State of > Virginia of the one part and Jacob Hager of Roxburry in the County of > Morris and State of New Jersey. .............. constitute and appoint his > son Joseph Braden his Lawfull [sic] attorney ... Robert Braden by his > said Attorney Joseph Braden for and in consideration of the Sum of Four > Hundred Eighty pounds (dollars at Seven Shillings and Six pence each) to > him in hand paid .... the said Jacob Hager ... all that certain Lot or > Tract of Land (on which Colonel William BOND now lives) which became vested > in the said Robert Braden by a deed of Conveyance from Samuel JOHNSON late > of Kingwood in the County of Hunterdon deceased & Mary his wife bearing > date the Twenty fifth day of August Seventeen Hundred & Sixty one reference > being thereunto had will fully appear, Situate, Laying and Being part in > the Township of Independence, and part in the Township of Mansfield, County > of Sussex and State of New Jersey aforesaid, Butted and Bounded as follows, > Beginning at a pine Tree standing on the North west side of the river > Musconetcong a little below a run of water emptying itself into said river > ... Thence up the stream of said river including the Island to .....the > place of Beginning containing One Hundred Acres, ... unto the said Jacob > Hager ... - Robert Breden by his attorney Joseph Braden {ss} Signed > Sealed and Delivered in the presence of us - W. Helms, John Sharpensteen [p > 252] Received Twenty eighth day of march AD Seventeen Hundred and Ninety > Four from Jacob Hager Four Hundred and Eighty pounds being the full > consideration money within mentioned - Joseph Braden attorney for Robert > Breden - Present W. Helms - New Jersey, Sussex County - Be it remembered > that on this Thirty first day of March AD Seventeen Hundred and Ninety > four, Came Before me Robert Beavers Esquire one of the Judges of the Court > of Common please for S'd. County of Sussex, Joseph Braden who acknowledged > that for and in behalf & in the name of his father Robert Breden [sic] for > whom he is attorney, he Signed, Sealed and as his Act and Deed delivered > the within Instrument of writing for the uses and purposes therein > contained. Done before me at Mansfield date above written R'bt Beavers - > Exam Cha's Rhodes Clk" > > This Robert BRADEN/BREDEN is where my research is stuck. > > I know he died in Loudoun Co., VA in late 1794 or early 1795. I have his > will in which he lists children Joseph, Robert & Margaret (wife of Robert > WRIGHT). I have a chancery suit that seems to indicate he had other > children who were left out of the will, possibly Ann (married a CROOKS), > Elizabeth (married Dillon DOWLING), and Mary (married a CROOKS). I have > good information on Joseph (my husband's line) and coming forward, but > cannot locate anything much on Robert. > > Robert's wife may have been a Sarah WRIGHT. > > Can anyone help me with this? > Can anyone identify the place(s) mentioned in the above deed? > Or any of the other people mentioned? > > Thanks. > > Sue Beach > Muncie, IN > Sue Beach > Muncie, IN > sbeach@iquest.net > >

I have not posted to this list in quite some time and thought perhaps it would be good to send out my Sussex Co. dead end. I need all the help I can get on this one. On 21 November 1792, Robert BRADEN (or BREDEN) signed a document giving power of attorney to his son Joseph BRADEN to allow Joseph to sell Robert's lands in New Jersey. Both Robert & Joseph were living in Loudoun Co., VA by this date. On 28 March 1794, an indenture deed from Robert BRADEN (also shown as BREDEN) (by son Joseph BRADEN as power of attorney) to Jacob HAGAR selling lands in Sussex Co., New Jersey, was filed . The indenture deed reads in part as follows: (Sussex Co., New Jersey Deed Book V A-B, pg 250-251) "This Indenture ... Robert Braden of the County of Loudoun and State of Virginia of the one part and Jacob Hager of Roxburry in the County of Morris and State of New Jersey. .............. constitute and appoint his son Joseph Braden his Lawfull [sic] attorney ... Robert Braden by his said Attorney Joseph Braden for and in consideration of the Sum of Four Hundred Eighty pounds (dollars at Seven Shillings and Six pence each) to him in hand paid .... the said Jacob Hager ... all that certain Lot or Tract of Land (on which Colonel William BOND now lives) which became vested in the said Robert Braden by a deed of Conveyance from Samuel JOHNSON late of Kingwood in the County of Hunterdon deceased & Mary his wife bearing date the Twenty fifth day of August Seventeen Hundred & Sixty one reference being thereunto had will fully appear, Situate, Laying and Being part in the Township of Independence, and part in the Township of Mansfield, County of Sussex and State of New Jersey aforesaid, Butted and Bounded as follows, Beginning at a pine Tree standing on the North west side of the river Musconetcong a little below a run of water emptying itself into said river ... Thence up the stream of said river including the Island to .....the place of Beginning containing One Hundred Acres, ... unto the said Jacob Hager ... - Robert Breden by his attorney Joseph Braden {ss} Signed Sealed and Delivered in the presence of us - W. Helms, John Sharpensteen [p 252] Received Twenty eighth day of march AD Seventeen Hundred and Ninety Four from Jacob Hager Four Hundred and Eighty pounds being the full consideration money within mentioned - Joseph Braden attorney for Robert Breden - Present W. Helms - New Jersey, Sussex County - Be it remembered that on this Thirty first day of March AD Seventeen Hundred and Ninety four, Came Before me Robert Beavers Esquire one of the Judges of the Court of Common please for S'd. County of Sussex, Joseph Braden who acknowledged that for and in behalf & in the name of his father Robert Breden [sic] for whom he is attorney, he Signed, Sealed and as his Act and Deed delivered the within Instrument of writing for the uses and purposes therein contained. Done before me at Mansfield date above written R'bt Beavers - Exam Cha's Rhodes Clk" This Robert BRADEN/BREDEN is where my research is stuck. I know he died in Loudoun Co., VA in late 1794 or early 1795. I have his will in which he lists children Joseph, Robert & Margaret (wife of Robert WRIGHT). I have a chancery suit that seems to indicate he had other children who were left out of the will, possibly Ann (married a CROOKS), Elizabeth (married Dillon DOWLING), and Mary (married a CROOKS). I have good information on Joseph (my husband's line) and coming forward, but cannot locate anything much on Robert. Robert's wife may have been a Sarah WRIGHT. Can anyone help me with this? Can anyone identify the place(s) mentioned in the above deed? Or any of the other people mentioned? Thanks. Sue Beach Muncie, IN Sue Beach Muncie, IN sbeach@iquest.net