Would your husband have these in his line? 1 Nicholas DePuy ........ 2 De Puy ................... 3 Nicholas De Puy ............................. 4 Elizabeth De Puy ................................. +Benjamin Schoonmaker ........................................ 5 Susanna Schoonmaker 1763 - ............................................ +William Jr. Coolbaugh 1757 -

Listers- I know as a matter of record that many families of NJ who went to the Finger Lakes forgot completely that they had family in NJ,(and via versa) and even families in the Finger Lakes were forgotten by those who went down to Tioga Co,Pa, area. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Molye" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood connection? > My Minisink family was Abram WESTBROOK (currently parentless, married to > Rhoda MEEKER), who moved from the Newton, New Jersey area to Tioga/Steuben > Co., New York some time between the War of 1812 and 1825. There were > already numerous WESTBROOKs in that region. My husband has SCHOONMAKER and > DE PUY. > > Susan M. > > At 07:15 PM 2/9/05, you wrote: > >Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same > >migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? > > > >Helen Graves > >

Listers- That's the same timeframe that my Lefler/Cossart-Corzett/Dilts went from Oxford ,Sussex and Hunterdon Cos, to the Finger lakes Region,(some via Stroud) ,then some down to Tioga Co/Bradford Cos,Pa, and later many of them out to southern Michigan. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Molye" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood connection? > My Minisink family was Abram WESTBROOK (currently parentless, married to > Rhoda MEEKER), who moved from the Newton, New Jersey area to Tioga/Steuben > Co., New York some time between the War of 1812 and 1825. There were > already numerous WESTBROOKs in that region. My husband has SCHOONMAKER and > DE PUY. > > Susan M. > > At 07:15 PM 2/9/05, you wrote: > >Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same > >migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? > > > >Helen Graves > >

My Minisink family was Abram WESTBROOK (currently parentless, married to Rhoda MEEKER), who moved from the Newton, New Jersey area to Tioga/Steuben Co., New York some time between the War of 1812 and 1825. There were already numerous WESTBROOKs in that region. My husband has SCHOONMAKER and DE PUY. Susan M. At 07:15 PM 2/9/05, you wrote: >Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same >migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? > >Helen Graves

Is "Swartwood" the same family as "Smartwood"? I see the latter family coming out of Tompkins/Chemung Cos down to Tioga Co,Pa. They are not mine but one I have often seen in my research of those areas and have even met a couple of Smartwoods. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood connection? > Hi Kaye, > > There were other Minisink families who left the area not long after the Rev. > War and migrated to Tioga and Chemung Counties in NY -- some with a brief > stop of a few years at "Wyomee" (the Wyoming Valley, Luzerne Co., PA). > > My Swartwout families did, as did VanEttens, Shoemakers, Deckers, and > others. One who migrated was James Swartwood (in PA and NJ he was Jacobus > Swartwout, but after he arrived in Tioga Co., NY, he became James > Swartwood). > > James Swartwood's daughter Mary b 10 Jan 1774 in Delaware twp., Pike Co., > PA, married Isaac SHOEMAKER Jr., who was born about 1770. It appears they > married c. 1799-1800, so likely they married after they got to Tioga Co., > NY. A daughter Elizabeth was born in 1803 in VanEtten, Tioga Co., NY. > > Isaac and Mary (Swartwood) Shoemaker lived in Erin, Chemung Co., NY. When > Mary's father James Swartwood reached his 80s, he moved in with them in Erin > and died there at age 93+. Isaac Shoemaker was the executor of what was > left of his estate (not much). Isaac Shoemaker Jr. died 24 Feb 1850 in Erin > and was buried in the Scotchtown Cemetery. His widow Mary (Swartwood) > Shoemaker died 30 May 1855 and is also buried in Scotchtown Cemetery. > > I have not researched Isaac Shoemaker Jr. (1770-1850) so I do not know who > his parents were back in PA (or maybe Sussex Co., NJ). Is it possible that > he was the son of your Isaac Shoemaker and Elizabeth Brink? > > Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same > migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? > > Helen Graves > > >

And just to add to this, some Lefler/Leffler families migrated out of Hunterdon/Sussex(Oxford area) to Stroud,Pa, and thence up to North Hector,Seneca Co,NY and down to Tioga Co,Pa around 1820. Other families that went up there were: Ayres/Bryant/Corsett/Updyke and?? Bob Lefler----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood connection? > Hi Kaye, > > There were other Minisink families who left the area not long after the Rev. > War and migrated to Tioga and Chemung Counties in NY -- some with a brief > stop of a few years at "Wyomee" (the Wyoming Valley, Luzerne Co., PA). > > My Swartwout families did, as did VanEttens, Shoemakers, Deckers, and > others. One who migrated was James Swartwood (in PA and NJ he was Jacobus > Swartwout, but after he arrived in Tioga Co., NY, he became James > Swartwood). > > James Swartwood's daughter Mary b 10 Jan 1774 in Delaware twp., Pike Co., > PA, married Isaac SHOEMAKER Jr., who was born about 1770. It appears they > married c. 1799-1800, so likely they married after they got to Tioga Co., > NY. A daughter Elizabeth was born in 1803 in VanEtten, Tioga Co., NY. > > Isaac and Mary (Swartwood) Shoemaker lived in Erin, Chemung Co., NY. When > Mary's father James Swartwood reached his 80s, he moved in with them in Erin > and died there at age 93+. Isaac Shoemaker was the executor of what was > left of his estate (not much). Isaac Shoemaker Jr. died 24 Feb 1850 in Erin > and was buried in the Scotchtown Cemetery. His widow Mary (Swartwood) > Shoemaker died 30 May 1855 and is also buried in Scotchtown Cemetery. > > I have not researched Isaac Shoemaker Jr. (1770-1850) so I do not know who > his parents were back in PA (or maybe Sussex Co., NJ). Is it possible that > he was the son of your Isaac Shoemaker and Elizabeth Brink? > > Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same > migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? > > Helen Graves > > >

Bob, You have added another interesting migration pattern out of the Minisink. There have to be others. I hope others will post them to the lists. It would be a great topic. When they left, where they went. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert and Tracie Lefler" <[email protected]> To: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood connection? > And just to add to this, some Lefler/Leffler families migrated out of > Hunterdon/Sussex(Oxford area) to Stroud,Pa, and thence up to North > Hector,Seneca Co,NY and down to Tioga Co,Pa around 1820. Other families > that > went up there were: Ayres/Bryant/Corsett/Updyke and?? Bob Lefler----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:15 PM > Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Shoemaker, Isaac - Elizabeth Brink - Swartwood > connection? > > >> Hi Kaye, >> >> There were other Minisink families who left the area not long after the > Rev. >> War and migrated to Tioga and Chemung Counties in NY -- some with a brief >> stop of a few years at "Wyomee" (the Wyoming Valley, Luzerne Co., PA). >> >> My Swartwout families did, as did VanEttens, Shoemakers, Deckers, and >> others. One who migrated was James Swartwood (in PA and NJ he was > Jacobus >> Swartwout, but after he arrived in Tioga Co., NY, he became James >> Swartwood). >> >> James Swartwood's daughter Mary b 10 Jan 1774 in Delaware twp., Pike Co., >> PA, married Isaac SHOEMAKER Jr., who was born about 1770. It appears >> they >> married c. 1799-1800, so likely they married after they got to Tioga Co., >> NY. A daughter Elizabeth was born in 1803 in VanEtten, Tioga Co., NY. >> >> Isaac and Mary (Swartwood) Shoemaker lived in Erin, Chemung Co., NY. >> When >> Mary's father James Swartwood reached his 80s, he moved in with them in > Erin >> and died there at age 93+. Isaac Shoemaker was the executor of what was >> left of his estate (not much). Isaac Shoemaker Jr. died 24 Feb 1850 in > Erin >> and was buried in the Scotchtown Cemetery. His widow Mary (Swartwood) >> Shoemaker died 30 May 1855 and is also buried in Scotchtown Cemetery. >> >> I have not researched Isaac Shoemaker Jr. (1770-1850) so I do not know > who >> his parents were back in PA (or maybe Sussex Co., NJ). Is it possible > that >> he was the son of your Isaac Shoemaker and Elizabeth Brink? >> >> Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same >> migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? >> >> Helen Graves >> >> >> > > >

Kaye, After sending off the email about Mary Swartwood marrying c. 1799-1800 Isaac Shoemaker, Jr., I grabbed my book, "Swartwood Sojourn 1575-1997" and looked for Elizabeth Brink and found this: p. 353 Alexander Swartwout, son of Thomas Swartwout and Elizabeth ENNIS, was b 14 May 1764 in Walpack, Sussex Co NJ. About 1783 in Exeter, Luzerne Co., PA (that's the Wyoming Valley) he married Catherine SCHOONMAKER, daughter of Isaac SHOEMAKER and Elizabeth BRINK. I am not a Shoemaker or Schoonmaker researcher. Are these names used inter-changably? Catherine Shoemaker/Schoonmaker was born 28 Sept 1766 in Walpack, Sussex Co., NJ. Alexander Swartwout died 25 July 1825 in Exeter, Luzerne Co., PA and was buried in Forest Hill Cem. His widow Catherine died on 6 July 1832 in Exeter, Luzerne Co., PA and was also buried in Forest Hill Cem. Then follows a list of 9 children for them. Do you need their children's info? Their first child was born about 1784, per the book, thus the estimate of 1783 for their marriage. Doesn't say when Alexander Swartwout came to Exeter, so perhaps the marriage occurred back in PA/NJ. I know who Alexander Swartwout's father Thomas Swartwout was... he was my husband's ancestor's brother. He was born c. 1730 in the Peenpack, the son of Bernardus Swartwout and Margaret DECKER. Thomas Swartwout moved to Upper Smithfield with his parents c. 1735 when that area really opened up for settlement because the original warrant owners started selling off pieces of their huge land grants obtained from the Penns. Thomas lived south of what became the town of Delaware (first Bucks, then Northampton, then Pike Co., PA). He never left. He died there c. 1801. The Swartwouts, Brinks, Shoemakers/Schoonmakers, Deckers, VanEttens on both sides of the Delaware River inter-married for over a hundred years. Many of the families who left the Minisink after 1780s seemed to migrate together and settle in the same places, such as around Exeter in the Wyoming Valley of Luzerne Co, PA and in Tioga and Chemung Co., NY. Helen Graves ---- Original Message ----- From: "K Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: [MinVal] John Schoonmaker Shoemaker 12 Feb 1777 Smithfield, Pike Co, PA >I have a family I'd like to ask more about that I believe were probably in >the > neighborhood. Isaac Schoonmaker b abt 1739 Machackemeck, d 1778 Pike Co > PA. > Wife Elizabeth Brink was then left with a batch of children to raise. I > think 3 > of them settled at what would become Chemung County NY - my ancestor John, > Abram and Isaac Shoemaker Jr. > > John b 12 Feb 1777 (just before his father's death) married Phebe Decker b > 20 > Jan 1780. Their daughter Elizabeth b 10 Jul 1803 PA. > > Did Isaac die in the war? I'm curious what became of widow Elizabeth Brink > Schoonmaker's life - and all those children, 6 I've found record of, did > she > remarry? I don't know where John met and married Phebe Decker, who were > Phebe's > parents, nor where in PA ancestor Elizabeth Shoemaker was born. I feel > they > stayed close by minisink all along until they popped up in Tioga/Chemung > County > 1819. John and Phebe are buried at Chemung Co. > > My reconstruction is based upon oral history told to me by a grandmother > late > 1940s and what I've been able to learn in the years since I began research > myself. If she hadn't known, and told me, the parents' names I doubt I'd > have > gotten past daughter Elizabeth. Grandmother did not mention Isaac's death > when > speaking of the Revolution that I recall, but who knows, she may not have > wanted to say that to a gradeschool child, dunno. Maybe he drowned > crossing the > river. Frankly I'm also amazed that an oral family history like this was > passed > on to her 100 years ago, and she passed it on to me. > > Any bits about this Schoonmaker-Brink family, and Decker too, would be > appreciated. > > Kaye in Texas > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Kaye, There were other Minisink families who left the area not long after the Rev. War and migrated to Tioga and Chemung Counties in NY -- some with a brief stop of a few years at "Wyomee" (the Wyoming Valley, Luzerne Co., PA). My Swartwout families did, as did VanEttens, Shoemakers, Deckers, and others. One who migrated was James Swartwood (in PA and NJ he was Jacobus Swartwout, but after he arrived in Tioga Co., NY, he became James Swartwood). James Swartwood's daughter Mary b 10 Jan 1774 in Delaware twp., Pike Co., PA, married Isaac SHOEMAKER Jr., who was born about 1770. It appears they married c. 1799-1800, so likely they married after they got to Tioga Co., NY. A daughter Elizabeth was born in 1803 in VanEtten, Tioga Co., NY. Isaac and Mary (Swartwood) Shoemaker lived in Erin, Chemung Co., NY. When Mary's father James Swartwood reached his 80s, he moved in with them in Erin and died there at age 93+. Isaac Shoemaker was the executor of what was left of his estate (not much). Isaac Shoemaker Jr. died 24 Feb 1850 in Erin and was buried in the Scotchtown Cemetery. His widow Mary (Swartwood) Shoemaker died 30 May 1855 and is also buried in Scotchtown Cemetery. I have not researched Isaac Shoemaker Jr. (1770-1850) so I do not know who his parents were back in PA (or maybe Sussex Co., NJ). Is it possible that he was the son of your Isaac Shoemaker and Elizabeth Brink? Are there others on the lists whose Minisink families made the same migration to Tioga and Chemung Co's NY between 1785-1800? Helen Graves

Where can I see these lists? Bob Lefler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Old Deerpark Days as pub in Church Life > Re: Old Deerpark Days, as published in the monthly issues of "Church Life", genealogical notes prepared by W.H. Nearpas, was published by Mrs. Jean D. Worden in her book, "Reformed Church at Machackemack (Deerpark), Orange Co., NY" . These compilations of Minisink families runs 105 pages in Mrs. Worden's book. > > Mrs. Worden published the 'Church Life' issues beginning with Vol. III No. 3, June 1890, when Mr. Nearpas' genealogical notes began and then Mrs. Worden ends with the Dec 1904 issue of 'Church LIfe'. > > My question to the list is: were genealogical notes published in any other 'Church Life' issues after the Dec 1904 issue? > > I ask because I want to be sure that what was published by Mrs. Worden in her RDC Machackemack book is all that is available of W.H. Nearpas' genealogical notes on Minisink families. > > Anyone know? > > Helen in Calif. > > >

Re: Old Deerpark Days, as published in the monthly issues of "Church Life", genealogical notes prepared by W.H. Nearpas, was published by Mrs. Jean D. Worden in her book, "Reformed Church at Machackemack (Deerpark), Orange Co., NY" . These compilations of Minisink families runs 105 pages in Mrs. Worden's book. Mrs. Worden published the 'Church Life' issues beginning with Vol. III No. 3, June 1890, when Mr. Nearpas' genealogical notes began and then Mrs. Worden ends with the Dec 1904 issue of 'Church LIfe'. My question to the list is: were genealogical notes published in any other 'Church Life' issues after the Dec 1904 issue? I ask because I want to be sure that what was published by Mrs. Worden in her RDC Machackemack book is all that is available of W.H. Nearpas' genealogical notes on Minisink families. Anyone know? Helen in Calif.

There were a number of Ferries the operated below Dingmans Ferry. Smith Ferry operated from NJ to Pa at Egypt Mills, Pike Co.,Pa. Tom's Creek road crossed what is today Rt.209 and ended at the river and the Ferry. Rosenkranz Ferry cross NJ to Pa. above Bushkill Pike co., Pa Zimmerman Ferry crossed Pa to NJ where the Brodhead's meets the Delaware in Minisink Hills, Monroe co., Pa. I am sure there was one at Shawnee, Monroe co.,Pa One I have heard about but not sure of place Ennis Ferry made crossings at Walpack bend. There are spots in the river that get low enough that it can be crossed by foot, horses or Autos. Learn about Pike Co., Pa. http://pages.ivillage.com/lilykintner/

According to the history found on the Pike co. Chamber of Commerce website http://www.pikechamber.com/history/history.html Milford Township Created April 17, 1832, from Upper Smithfield Township. John Biddis laid out the village in 1796. Some say it was named for Milford Haven in Wales where William Biddis (father of John) was born. Other say the Wells' Mill and the spot where the Delaware was forded resulted in the name Mill-Ford. Learn about Pike Co., Pa. http://pages.ivillage.com/lilykintner/

Dingman's Ferry Bridge has there own website address: http://www.dingmansbridge.com/ Learn about Pike Co., Pa. http://pages.ivillage.com/lilykintner/

Good question- Because between 1730 and 1750, my pos Jacob Loeffler is listed as a member of the Lutheran Church at Moragn Hill,Williams,Pa, but the listing says he lived on the "Musky" River,Greenwich?. I realize people were called to service by hilltop bonfires. However,as well, some of my NJ family news(like wedding announcements) from South Harmony,NJ, in the early 1800s, was announced in the Easton,Pa, newspapers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:00 AM Subject: [NJSUSSEX-L] Ferries and fordings across the Delaware > I hope someone on the list has information about ferry operations on the Delaware River between NJ and PA, and NY and PA during the 1700s. Here are some questions: > > 1. When exactly did Andrew Dingman start operating his ferry at Dingman's Ferry? I have seen it listed as being 1730-1735. How long was it in operation before the first bridge was built across the river there? > > 2. Was there a ferry operating between Milford, PA, and Port Jervis in the 1700s? Or did it operate from Milford, PA, to NJ? > > Today I saw this mentioned in a book "he lived at Milford, i.e. Wells Ferry". Was Milford, PA, known as Wells Ferry before it was known as Milford? > > 3. In the 1700s, was there a ferry in operation farther down from Dingman's Ferry toward Stroudsburg? > > FORDING-RIVER CROSSINGS? > > During the 1700s, were there areas on the Delaware River which became low enough for fordings to be made for people to travel across the river between Sussex Co., NJ, and old Bucks/Northampton Co., PA? > > Any help on ferry crossings and low-river fording spots in the 1700s would be appreciated. > > Helen in Calif. > >

I hope someone on the list has information about ferry operations on the Delaware River between NJ and PA, and NY and PA during the 1700s. Here are some questions: 1. When exactly did Andrew Dingman start operating his ferry at Dingman's Ferry? I have seen it listed as being 1730-1735. How long was it in operation before the first bridge was built across the river there? 2. Was there a ferry operating between Milford, PA, and Port Jervis in the 1700s? Or did it operate from Milford, PA, to NJ? Today I saw this mentioned in a book "he lived at Milford, i.e. Wells Ferry". Was Milford, PA, known as Wells Ferry before it was known as Milford? 3. In the 1700s, was there a ferry in operation farther down from Dingman's Ferry toward Stroudsburg? FORDING-RIVER CROSSINGS? During the 1700s, were there areas on the Delaware River which became low enough for fordings to be made for people to travel across the river between Sussex Co., NJ, and old Bucks/Northampton Co., PA? Any help on ferry crossings and low-river fording spots in the 1700s would be appreciated. Helen in Calif.

Does anyone know who the parents were of this Cornelia Brink ? Cornelia Brink, born ca 1730 at Skippekonk married Benjamin Swartwout on March 31, 1754 (RDC Walpack, Sussex Co., NJ). She and Benjamin Swartwout had only one child, Minne, who was bp in 1759 RDC Walpack. Benjamin Swartwout died c. 1759 - the same year the child was born. At some time later (I do not have the marriage date), widow Cornelia Brink married Adam Shick of Delaware, Northampton Co., PA. She and Adam Shick lived just south of Dingman's Ferry on the PA side of the Delaware River. In 1774, a son Benjamin Shick was bp at the RDC Walpack. Any help with this Cornelia Brink and who her parents were would be appreciated. Many thanks, Helen Graves

"Geographical Dictionary for Sussex Co., NJ". is published by the Genealogical Publishing Co. in Baltimore, MD. You might want to contact them to see if they still have it in print and how much. I bought a copy many years ago and I don't think it cost more than $20. It is a very thin book, not many pages, but jammed with information about New Jersey places.

>> I too live in California but know the five counties of Northwest New Jersey fairly well; Sussex, Warren, Morris, Hunterdon, and Somerset. If you search on "Skylands, NJ" it offers a current... << I am fairly familiar with copyright law-- though e-communication has added some of its own frustrations-- and here is my question: What is "fair use" of a map that has been published? What if it's a very simply drawn map-- like the Skylands map of New Jersey with no mention of cities or rivers-- and with no mention of the source? What if it's a copy of an 1885 northern New Jersey map with a copyright mark on it? Given copyright laws that I know about, I don't really see how an old map comes under copyright protection. And what am I to do if I want to have a detailed map in my book say about Sussex County, NJ. Wouldn't that be far beyond the "fair use" requirement? How am I to republish a map for a potentional book or booklet? Thanks. Kathleen

The present day hamlets of Cuddebackville and Hugenot are in the Town of Deerpark in Orange County, NY. The Neversink flows in to the Delaware right by the Tri-States-Monument which marks the spot where Orange County, NY, Sussex County, NJ, and Pike County, Penna. come together. I would think that the Peenpack Patent would be in Orange County, NY. You might want to post a query on the Orange County message board. However, there was that little "border war" some years ago where NJ claimed land currently in Orange. Therefore, it could be possible that a patent exists in NJ. Perhaps someone on here knows more. JIM BOOTH Highland Mills, Orange County, NY Helen Graves wrote: >I am seeking a copy of the original Peenpack Patent of 1696-1697 which granted 1,200 acres which was basically between Huguenot and Cuddebackville, lying between the Old Mine Road and the Neversink River >(per the map on the Minisink Valley Historical Society website). > >Does the Peenpack Patent appear in the book "Patents and Deeds and Other Early New Jersey Records of the Proprietors of New Jersey 1664-1703" ? > >Does anyone have this book who could check and see if this Patent is there? > >Many thanks, >Helen Graves > > > >