Is this the Thomas you are looking for? He is listed as the father in this Salem birth data for 1858. Joan _Family Data Collection - Births_ (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5769&enc=1) about Thomas Edgar Smedley Name: Thomas Edgar Edgar Father: Thomas Joynes Joynes Mother: Ann Eaton Birth Date: 18 Jun 1858 City: Allaways County: Salem State: NJ Country: USA In a message dated 5/24/2007 1:18:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: Thanks so much for that info. The only info I really need is anything on his father,Thomas Smedley, Sr. The whole family was told that he died in 1851, but he actually sailed to the US with his son and daughter in law. I have not been able to find anything on Thomas Sr, after he arrived in the US. I was hoping that he would have been living with his son in New Jersey, but they are not listed in the 1860 census. He was a brickmaker. Leslie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.