This may seem like a dumb question, but I'm new to genealogy, so I'll ask anyway. Now that you've found the Family History Film number, how do you view the film? Can you go to your local FHC, or local library, and get it transferred there? If so, what is the fee for this? I have a Family History Center in a neighboring town, but my work hours make it difficult to get there during the little time that they're open. Thanks for the help. - Hereld Stuart -----Original Message----- Hi, I checked the Family History Library Catalog and the book "Tombstone Inscriptions Cumberland, Gloucester, Atlantic, Camden and Salem Counties" by Charles Colson Baker is available on film 441434. I am going to check this one out myself. Thanks for the lead! Mary Hill

Can anyone confirm Lucius Dubois' wife for me of Daretown, NJ. I have her as Mary Ellen Coles. b. Dec 1854. There daughter Belva Dubois is my Great-Grandmother. She married Moses Wilson, son of William Wilson. If Mary is his wife, does anyone have information on this line? Thank you, Rex Wilson

Here is a copy of my reply. Joan In a message dated 11/27/02 1:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Inn118 writes: > Dear Ms. Weinberg, > Thank you for the reply and update. Many hundreds of people I know on the > NJ Genealogy interest lists will look forward to any and all improvements > that will facilitate an easier process than currently exists. Please let > us know when these changes will take place. Regards, Joan L. Fitzsimmons > in NJ > > In a message dated 11/27/02 12:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > >> We are very aware of the problem that geneaolgy professionals are having >> with obtaining records from the Bureau of Vital Statistics and the Hall of >> Records - This week we met with constituents (genealogists) and >> representatives from DHSS (who manage the BVS) and the Secretary of State, >> Regena Thomas and her staff - who manage the State Archives. We are in >> the >> process of making changes that will benefit everyone. Please be patient - >> our meeting indicated that we need some legislation to make the changes.We >> are stll researching proper language. Help is on the way in this area. >> >> Sorry that your letter was not answered this past February. I can assure >> you that we are taking proactive steps to ensure the public's >> accessibility >> to these records. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >

Hello listers, Below is a reply I received today from Assemblywoman Lorretta Weinberg. Joan In a message dated 11/27/02 12:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Subj:Re: Dept. of Health - Genealogy requests and Access to Vital Records > Date:11/27/02 12:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > We are very aware of the problem that geneaolgy professionals are having > with obtaining records from the Bureau of Vital Statistics and the Hall of > Records - This week we met with constituents (genealogists) and > representatives from DHSS (who manage the BVS) and the Secretary of State, > Regena Thomas and her staff - who manage the State Archives. We are in the > process of making changes that will benefit everyone. Please be patient - > our meeting indicated that we need some legislation to make the changes.We > are stll researching proper language. Help is on the way in this area. > > Sorry that your letter was not answered this past February. I can assure > you that we are taking proactive steps to ensure the public's accessibility > to these records. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: Dept. of Health - Genealogy requests and Access to Vital > Records > > > > Below is a message to the list I sent out in Feb. 2002 concerning this > > subject. Supposedly the problem was to be corrected with obtaining > records. > > Perhaps we need to all start calling Loretta Weinberg again with our > > complaints. Her phone number is below in the message. Regards, Joan > > > > > > In a message dated 2/14/02 3:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > > writes: > > > > > > > > Subj:RE: Dept. of Health - Genealogy requests and Access to Vital > Records > > > > Date:2/14/02 9:42:39 AM Eastern Standard Time > > > > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> >

PS I very much doubt these books would be allowed to circulate, as they were never published, and are the only ones there are. But perhaps you could check with the LDS, see if they have microfilmed them. Val Linda McDowell wrote: > Dear Gloucester, Camden and/or Salem county listers, > > In a file sent to me by another Internet researcher, I found the above book cited as a source of some dates on HOGATE family members. > > If any of you know of this book and have made note of the date published and the name > of the publisher please send me this information which would make it easier on my librarian when I request an Interlibrary loan of the book. > > Linda McDowell in San Juan Capistrano, CA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Linda, Salem county Historical Society has a series of volumes called Tombstones Inscriptions. These are bound manuscripts, hand written mostly, though some are typed, that were begun back in the 1860s by the membership when the society was still fairly new. They are divided somewhat by township, and of course, more recent records won't be in there, nor anyone buried without a stone, but I have used them repeatedly for my kin in Penns Neck. They are indexed and I am sure copies may be had through the society. Val Linda McDowell wrote: > Dear Gloucester, Camden and/or Salem county listers, > > In a file sent to me by another Internet researcher, I found the above book cited as a source of some dates on HOGATE family members. > > If any of you know of this book and have made note of the date published and the name > of the publisher please send me this information which would make it easier on my librarian when I request an Interlibrary loan of the book. > > Linda McDowell in San Juan Capistrano, CA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Gloucester, Camden and/or Salem county listers, In a file sent to me by another Internet researcher, I found the above book cited as a source of some dates on HOGATE family members. If any of you know of this book and have made note of the date published and the name of the publisher please send me this information which would make it easier on my librarian when I request an Interlibrary loan of the book. Linda McDowell in San Juan Capistrano, CA

I'll be leaving Salem County in the morning, after ten days of research, tombstone rubbing (not very successful) and name-tracking. The State offices are operating at a demented level for Malcolm, but I have to give high praise to a few people, esp. "Ellie" in the records dept. in Salem County, Alice Boggs at The Salem Historical Society, Lynn Forsman, sexton at Pittsgrove Presbyterian, and everyone at the Gloucester County Historical Society (where I found more Salem County information than in Salem). In fact, I kind of wish I'd gone to Gloucester first, as a few people suggested. B ut standing by thergraves of several 5g, 4g, and 3g granparents, finding records of my greats in minuteman meetings at Pole Tavern, and walking through the house two of them built in 1767 made up for any amount of genealogical frustration. Kris Ingram > Last month I mailed two vital record applications to NJ Dept of Health and > Senior Services (http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/vital.htm). Yesterday I > received two rejections: > > 1. 1866 death certificate for my 2gr-grandfather. > Reason for rejection: Records from May 1848 through May 1878 are no longer > in the possession of Health and Senior Services but have been transfered to > Div. of Archives and Records Mgmt in the NJ Dept of State. Their fee is > $10/search. Nothing about this is on their website or the application. I > called H&SS > [609-292-4087, option 3] and was told they had no control over what is on > their website (?). > > 2. 1891 marriage certificate of my gr-grandparents. > Reason for rejection: *All* requests must now include a written description > of relationship and photocopy of photo driver's license or two other IDs > with your address. See Executive Order #18 > (http://www.state.nj.us/infobank/circular/eom18.htm). Nothing about this is > on the application. > > I spent 17 years teaching public administration -- this dept would make a > case study in how *not* to run an organization! > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Malcolm Schalick Sharp > http://sharp.rootsweb.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Here is the website for Assemblywoman Loretta Weinberg whcih lists her E mail address. I think some who wrote to the list should forward her a copy of your message or write her directly with specific facts. Maybe we can make an impact for some improvements. Regards, Joan <A HREF="Loretta Weinberg">http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/Weinber.asp</A>

Below is a message to the list I sent out in Feb. 2002 concerning this subject. Supposedly the problem was to be corrected with obtaining records. Perhaps we need to all start calling Loretta Weinberg again with our complaints. Her phone number is below in the message. Regards, Joan In a message dated 2/14/02 3:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Subj:RE: Dept. of Health - Genealogy requests and Access to Vital Records > > Date:2/14/02 9:42:39 AM Eastern Standard Time > > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > This office suggests that you contact the Chairwoman of the Assembly > Health > > and Human Services Committee, Loretta Weinberg at 201-928-0100. > > > > This response has been prepared by the Legislative Information and Bill > > Room, Office of Legislative Services, New Jersey State Legislature. > > Further legislative information can be obtained by calling 1-800-792-8630 > > > (toll-free in NJ) or 609-292-4840, weekdays from 9 am to 5 pm. Our > website > > address is: > > > > www.njleg.state.nj.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >

Last month I mailed two vital record applications to NJ Dept of Health and Senior Services (http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/vital.htm). Yesterday I received two rejections: 1. 1866 death certificate for my 2gr-grandfather. Reason for rejection: Records from May 1848 through May 1878 are no longer in the possession of Health and Senior Services but have been transfered to Div. of Archives and Records Mgmt in the NJ Dept of State. Their fee is $10/search. Nothing about this is on their website or the application. I called H&SS [609-292-4087, option 3] and was told they had no control over what is on their website (?). 2. 1891 marriage certificate of my gr-grandparents. Reason for rejection: *All* requests must now include a written description of relationship and photocopy of photo driver's license or two other IDs with your address. See Executive Order #18 (http://www.state.nj.us/infobank/circular/eom18.htm). Nothing about this is on the application. I spent 17 years teaching public administration -- this dept would make a case study in how *not* to run an organization! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Malcolm Schalick Sharp http://sharp.rootsweb.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

In a message dated 11/25/02 7:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I don't know if this helps or hinders defining what on earth a buck maker is > but it is interesting isn't it? > It's the best, so far!! I Emailed a British researcher that I know and asked him this question. He replied that he has no idea at all what a Buck Maker is. Back to ground zero! Does the original person who asked the question show subsequent census data with the occupation listed for this person? Maybe that would offer a clue. Clueless in NJ (for now), Joan

This really got my curiosity up and so I hauled out my antique dictionary to see what it had to say on the subject of buck maker. The dictionary is an 1863 edition of the 'New Edition' of the Universal, Pronouncing and Defining Dictionary of the English Language by Noah Webster, LL.D. Beginning with 'buck.' -- noun "the liquor in which clothes are washed or bleached; the male of the deer, rabbit, goat, sheep and hare; a gay, dashing fellow. buck -- verb: to wash or steep clothes in lye. buck - basket -- noun: a basket to which clothes are carried to be washed. bucket -- noun: a vessel to draw or carry water; the cavities for water on a water-wheel. bucking stool -- noun: a washing block." I don't know if this helps or hinders defining what on earth a buck maker is but it is interesting isn't it? JDW, Canada

Is anyone else on this listed researching the tangled web of oft-repeated given names of the Andrews family in southern New Jersey? This is my line: 1. Nehemiah Andrews, born Feb, 1803 in NJ, s/o Joseph Andrews and Sarah Wyne, + Rachel Clare, born 11/22/1798 in NJ 2. Sarah Ann Andrews, born 1829 in NJ, + Eli Wilson, born 5/25/1831 in NJ 3. Emma Rebecca Wilson, born 1/21/1861 in Elmer, Salem Co, NJ + David Sithens Hughes, born 7/25/1859 in Cumberland Co, NJ 4. Mattie Belle Hughes, born 9/20/1882 in Elmer, Salem Co, NJ + Owen Curtis Daisey, born 8/21/1889 in Gloucester City, Camden Co, NJ 5. Ruth Nelda Daisey, born 6/19/1916 in Landis Twp, Cumberland Co, NJ, + Michael J. Torpey, born 8/14/1913, in Center Twp, Camden Co, NJ 6. Me The names of Nehemiah's parents are taken from his death certificate. The marriage record of Joseph Andrews and Sarah Wyne at the Gloucester County Historical Society gives Paul Andrews as the father of Joseph. I've been told that Paul is the son of Nehemiah Andrews and Elizabeth Lippincott, but don't have documented proof of that yet. Does anyone have any info that would shed light on that issue? Thanks for any help, Janet T. Smith Gloucester City, NJ [email protected] Torpey/Tarpy, Flannery* Riley, Wallace* Dazey/Daisey, McComrick, Handcock/Hancock (in DE)* Tonkin, Miller, Rambo* Hughes, Sithens, Nieukirk, TenEyck* Wilson, Andrews, Clare, Kurtz*

I looked at a census image for a record with this occupation. It was recorded as "Buck maker" -- not as a compound word as some have transcribed it. I also found records of this in 19th century census data from England and in some birth records that listed the father's occupation. I went back to the Oxford English Dictionary and found nothing for "buck maker" and "buck-maker" (I find that odd since it was used in government records). As you might expect the noun "buck" has many meanings -- one is basket [e.g., an "eel-basket" is also known as an "eel-buck"]. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Malcolm Schalick Sharp http://sharp.rootsweb.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:36 AM Subject: Buck maker > It appears that many of us have been caught up in this search for a "buck > maker". Therefore, a lot of time and energy is going into the combination > of these two words. A few thoughts which may help all of us who continue > to search would be to know more about the setting for the use of this term. > > In other words, in what context was this being used. Was in in a legal > document like a will, immigration document, etc.? What country was this > person from? And, what was the chronological period? > > If this term is coming from a handwritten record, that could have some > bearing on how it is being interpeted. Having just looked through a lot of > early U.S. Census records, the handwriting is so different from person to > person, it is difficult to decipher the letters without looking at many > different words using similar letters to determine is that a Capital S or G > or whatever. > > The answer to these questions may reduce the size of the haystack where > this needle is located. > > Thus far, my effors have met with similar results as to those already > reported. So, these are some things that have occurred to me while > looking. > > Best Wishes, > > Tom > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It appears that many of us have been caught up in this search for a "buck maker". Therefore, a lot of time and energy is going into the combination of these two words. A few thoughts which may help all of us who continue to search would be to know more about the setting for the use of this term. In other words, in what context was this being used. Was in in a legal document like a will, immigration document, etc.? What country was this person from? And, what was the chronological period? If this term is coming from a handwritten record, that could have some bearing on how it is being interpeted. Having just looked through a lot of early U.S. Census records, the handwriting is so different from person to person, it is difficult to decipher the letters without looking at many different words using similar letters to determine is that a Capital S or G or whatever. The answer to these questions may reduce the size of the haystack where this needle is located. Thus far, my effors have met with similar results as to those already reported. So, these are some things that have occurred to me while looking. Best Wishes, Tom ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hi, I didn't keep the original post to reply directly, but one other possibility just came to mind. I suppose it would depend on time and place, but weren't buckboards a type of wagon or horse cart? Would it have been common enough a term that a shortened version would be recognized at the time? Val Lee Miller wrote: > Folks, > I looked into this because I was curious but I struck out so far. I did find a couple of good sites with occupations listed. Also Cyndi's list has some information along those lines. > I found back maker on this site:http://www.rmhh.co.uk/b.html > It is a person who makes "backs" i.e., vats, tubs, a cooper. No listing for Buck maker. > Another site for occupations is http://www.usgenweb.org/researchers/occupations.html > but no buck maker. I am sure there are many others that can be found by search engines. > I know about buck raking as a farm chore but not likely an occupation. > > Lee MillerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Folks, I looked into this because I was curious but I struck out so far. I did find a couple of good sites with occupations listed. Also Cyndi's list has some information along those lines. I found back maker on this site:http://www.rmhh.co.uk/b.html It is a person who makes "backs" i.e., vats, tubs, a cooper. No listing for Buck maker. Another site for occupations is http://www.usgenweb.org/researchers/occupations.html but no buck maker. I am sure there are many others that can be found by search engines. I know about buck raking as a farm chore but not likely an occupation. Lee MillerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

A "buckmaker" may have been someone who made buckles or belts. This word does not appear in the Oxford English Dictionary. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Malcolm Schalick Sharp http://sharp.rootsweb.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet T. Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: occupations > Thanks to everyone who responded to my question. I still haven't found what a buckmaker is, but I now have links to a couple of good websites for occupations and other things. > > Janet T. Smith > Gloucester City, NJ > [email protected] > > Torpey/Tarpy, Flannery* Riley, Wallace* Dazey/Daisey, McComrick, Handcock/Hancock (in DE)* Tonkin, Miller, Rambo* Hughes, Sithens, Nieukirk, TenEyck* Wilson, Andrews, Clare, Kurtz* > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question. I still haven't found what a buckmaker is, but I now have links to a couple of good websites for occupations and other things. Janet T. Smith Gloucester City, NJ [email protected] Torpey/Tarpy, Flannery* Riley, Wallace* Dazey/Daisey, McComrick, Handcock/Hancock (in DE)* Tonkin, Miller, Rambo* Hughes, Sithens, Nieukirk, TenEyck* Wilson, Andrews, Clare, Kurtz*