This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carpenter, Firth Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oRB.2ACI/359.2.1 Message Board Post: Here are the notes I have on Ezra Gibbs FIRTH: Philadelphia, PA General & Business Directory for 1830. Philadelphia: Robert DeSilver, 1830: FIRTH, Lucas and Ezra carpenters 26 Ann Ezra, son of Preston Carpenter FIRTH and Hannah Gibbs, died unmarried according to "Samuel Carpenter and his Descendants" by Edward Carpenter and his son, Lippincott, Philadelphia, 1912. Note: Books have been known to have wrong information. I have not examined the actual book. I have copies of a couple of pages and I think I found some of the text on the Internet. I have not seen a death date for Ezra Gibbs but the authors of the book thought he died before they had it published in 1912. Note 2: Preston Carpenter FIRTH was a Quaker. He was a member of the Salem Monthly Meeting in 1793 and later transferred to the Philadelphia Monthly Meeting.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oRB.2ACI/643 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on the SHULL family in the early 1800's. According to the 1830 Federal Census, some are listed in Pilesgrove, Salem County, NJ. The SHULLs I'm looking for are: **Reuben b.7-4-1778 d.9-7-1824 **Hosea b.9-26-1802 d. 3-4-1848 (married Ann Winings 5-3-1838). I believe Hosea was married previously to Ann because one of the five children was born before the marriage date. They children were: Edward, David, George C., Henry S., and Daniel. **Azariah b. 9-8-1804 **Reuben b. 3-25-1807 **Levicey b.1-22-1809 **Lydia b.1-20-1811 **Sendola b.10-23-1814 **Jonathan b.5-31-1821 (married Rebecca ?? b.6-13-1819) They had three children: Catharine, Charles and Thomas - according to the 1880 Census. I also have a Nancy Miller listed born 1-2-1817. I'm not sure if she's someone's wife or if she was a SHULL and married a man named Miller. I don't know if these family members were born in Pilesgrove or just lived there for some time. Unfortunately, all I have are names and dates. I'm stuck on this branch of my tree. Hosea is my ggg-grandfather. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molli

Linda asked: Have you ever checked the Census Records using microfilm? I've never done this and wonder how I would go about it. Can it be done from a county library, or do I have to go through the state or federal government? Any information and/or suggestions would be appeciated. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, Linda Linda, I imagine some of the larger county libraries may have them, but many smaller counties (like mine) do not. I would recommend subscribing to Ancestry.com's census images, which you can get for $40 as an upgrade to your account. I have found over a hundred listings for related families in the few months I have had it. The images are the same that you would find on the microfilm. It may be a little slower if you're searching page by page through a census, but it's always available at your computer through the internet. Plus, they have indexes for 1790-1850, and 1920 & 1930. They also have state indexes which help you locate the census image by page number. Another way is to order it through your local Family History Center(FHC), usually located within a nearby Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You can find the nearest FHC by going to familysearch.org, selecting the "Library" tab, then selecting the subheader "Family History Centers". You can also find the microfilm number at familysearch.org by clicking on the "Search" tab, then selecting the "Family History Library Catalogue". Do a "Place Search" for the state you're looking for, then select the census and/or census index that you want to see. Click the "View Film Notes" button at the top to see the microfilm number associated with the census for the county you're looking for. I usually print out the page that includes the film number I want, and take it to the FHC to order it. The cost is around $3.50 per film ordered, and you view it right there at the FHC. It takes a couple weeks to come to your FHC, then you have a month or so to go view it.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oRB.2ACI/359.2 Message Board Post: I found information on Ezra Firth who married Rachel Emerson in Salem,NJ in 1813. I think this connects to Horatio and may possibly be his parents. The "E" in the middle names of all the Horatios stands for Emerson. I also found info on an Ezra (Gibbs) Firth born in Salem in 1798. Do you know anything about him? I'm wonderin if he is the one who married Rachel. Have you ever checked the Census Records using microfilm? I've never done this and wonder how I would go about it. Can it be done from a county library, or do I have to go through the state or federal government? Any information and/or suggestions would be appeciated. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Harvey, Hervey, Woodruff, Cartwright, Clair, Shongo, Burdick, Baker, Greene Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oRB.2ACI/642 Message Board Post: John Harvey Born: ABT 1800 Place: (maybe New Jersey? Several Documents state New York, Maybe Indian? Unknown) Died: between 1840-1860 (Sophia listed as Widow) Married & Resided in Andover, Allegany Co. Ny. Children: 5; Andrew, Elizabeth, Hiram, plus boy & girl Wife: Sophia Woodruff Born: 1800-1810 Place: Grandville, Washington County, New York (Sophia 4 ,Joseph 3,Joseph 2, Joseph 1) Parents: Joseph Woodruff (3); Born: 1778; Connecticut, Moved to New York. Grandville It's an index. The 336 is the page numer. -- It states at the top of the page it states it is an index to the book, "Allegany County and Its People" by John S. Minard. on page 336, in the chapter on Wellsville, John HARVEY is mentioned in a story "Hunt for a Lost Man." It states specifically, "At John HARVEY's the nearest house (where Emory COOK now lives), a blanket was procured and rigged to poles." Other than that, the story does not relate to John Harvey. The date given in the story was 1833, so I assume that John Harvey lived there sometime before 1833, but was gone when the events happened.

I guess there is something in the water. On the heels of notices concerning the State of Florida and their interest in cutting the State Library, the Legislature of New Jersey is planning on eliminating all grant staff and programs for the arts and history. This would in effect cripple many county and local historical societies who apply for annual grants from the New Jersey Historical Commission (The state government grant-making body planned for elimination) and it certainly will effect us hard as the state historical society as well. Since many of the historical societies have collections of pertinent use to genealogists, it effects us all. The message below mentions an attached document (which following listerv standards, I did not attach) which I can forward to anyone willing to write. Thanks all, Chad Leinaweaver Director for the Library The New Jersey Historical Society 52 Park Place Newark, NJ 07102 (973) 596-8500, ext. 240 FAX (973) 596-6957 TTY/TDD (800) 852-7899 (NJ Relay Service) clein[email protected] <http://www.jerseyhistory.org/> WE NEED YOUR HELP NOW! Funding for history and the arts has been eliminated in the New Jersey Department of State's draft budget. This measure endangers the future of The New Jersey Historical Society and numerous other cultural organizations who receive critical operating and project support from the New Jersey Historical Commission, the New Jersey State Council on the Arts, and the New Jersey Cultural Trust. Your voice is crucial in the effort to convince the legislature to rethink this outrageous step and restore the sorely needed funding. HOW CAN I HELP? Please write to your state legislator and tell him or her why the state should not eliminate funding for history, culture, and the arts. Let him or her know what The New Jersey Historical Society means to you, your family, and your community. It is imperative that we are heard now, before the budget hearings begin in March. WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? · Write a letter! You can send regular mail, or you can email or fax your letter to your representatives. A sample letter is attached to this email for your convenience, and can be modified to fit what you specifically would like to say. It's as simple as cutting and pasting this letter into your own word document or email message. Just make sure to fill in the bolded sections of the letter: the date, legislator's name and address, and your phone number. · A list of your state senators and representatives can be found here: <http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp. >Click on your hometown to find your legislators' names, contact information, and specific role (including committee assignments). Note: The letters must not only go to your own district legislators, but also to legislative leaders who will have a large say in restoring the funding. A list of these legislators and their contact information follows. Please write to as many representatives as possible! · You can also visit The New Jersey Historical Society's website at www.jerseyhistory.org <http://www.jerseyhistory.org/> (click on "History Funding Eliminated" under "News" on the homepage) to find the sample letter as well as links to other involved cultural organizations. KEY LEGISLATORS: Senator Wayne Bryant Co-Chair, Senate Budget & Appropriations Committee 501 Cooper Street Camden, NJ 08102 Fax: 856-541-0426 Email: [email protected] Senator Robert Littell Co-Chair, Senate Budget & Appropriations Committee P.O. Box 328 Franklin, NJ 07416 Fax: 973-827-0348 Email: [email protected] Assemblyman Louis Greenwald Chair, Assembly Budget Committee 231 Route 70 East Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2421 Fax: 856-428-1358 Email: [email protected] Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman Chair, Assembly Appropriations Committee 226 West State Street Trenton, NJ 08608 Fax: 609-633-2179 Email: [email protected] Senate Democratic Majority Leader Bernard F. Kenny, Jr. 235 Hudson Street, Suite 1 Hoboken, NJ 07030 Fax: 201-714-9825 Email: [email protected] Assembly Majority Leader Joseph J. Roberts Brooklawn Shopping Plaza Route 130 South and Browning Road Brooklawn, NJ 08030 Fax: 856-742-1831 Email: [email protected] Assembly Speaker Albio Sires 303 58th Street West New York, NU 07093 Fax: 201-854-4818 Email: [email protected] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP IN THIS EFFORT TO RESTORE FUNDING TO HISTORY AND THE ARTS IN NEW JERSEY. ---

Hello all, I'm looking for a fellow genealogist with whom I've lost contact her name is Sara (Robbins) Hoffman last I knew she was living in Pheonix area of Arizona. If anyone knows how I might get back in touch with her, or her e-mail address, I'd appreciate hearing from you or Sara. Thank You for your help, Best Regards, Keith S Allen

Thank you for your searching! The Adam you found in the 1860 is the right one. What I'm really curious to see is what Stoms were living in that area around about 1820.... This Adam (I'm told) was originally Adam Stoms but his surname was changed to Storms by the Army during the civil war, although the 1860 below shows him as StoRms and that was just before the war... I believe I was told (I'm working without my notes here) that Adam married Hannah Peachey (2nd marriage); his first was to a Bilderbeck..his 3rd wife died just before the war and right after the war he married Joanna Earnest in Daretown..... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: Re: 1800s / SALEM / STOMS - STORM & STORNS > Hello Gail & Listmembers, > > From the 1860 Census of Salem Co., NJ > I find the following STOM & STORMS in households in the Census as follows; > > SALEM CITY, SALEM CO., NJ > 1860 Census Page # 32 > Page in this book # 187 > all the following were living in the same household in 1860, > > Name Age Sex Occupation > Birthplace > Stoms, John W. 21 M Laborer PA. > Peachy, Susan 73 F > Gloucester Co., NJ > Stoms, A. Elizabeth 11 F > Salem Co., NJ > end of family > > 4 houses away is a Peachy family as follows, > all the following were living in the same household in 1860, > > Peachy, Ann 34 F > PA. > Peachy, Hannah 11 F Salem > Co., NJ > Peachy, Robert 6 M Salem > Co., NJ > Peachy, Albert 2 M Salem > Co., NJ > > > NEXT STOM listed is as follows, > > MANNINGTON TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ > 1860 Census Page/s # 21 household continued onto Page # 22 > Page in this book # 322 > all the following were living in the same household in 1860, > > Name Age Sex Occupation > Birthplace > CENSUS PAGE 21 > Wistar, Josiah 31 M Master Farmer Salem > Co., NJ > Wistar, Martha 69 F > Salem Co., NJ > Reeves, Priscilla W. 29 F Housekeeper Burlington Co., > NJ > Pinching, Danirel 22 M > Saxony, Germany > CENSUS PAGE 23 > Stoms, William 23 M Farm Laborer Salem Co., > NJ > Willets, Charles 25 M.B. > Salem Co., NJ > Shaw, Edmund 12 M > Salem Co., NJ > > That is all the STOM's listed in the 1860 Salem Co., NJ Census. > > Here is what is listed for the STORM families of Salem Co., in the Census as > follows, > > UPPER PITTSGROVE TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ > 1860 Census Page # 64 > Page in this book # 58 > all the following were living in the same household in 1860, > > Name Age Sex Occupation > Birthplace > Storms, Adam 52 M Laborer NJ > Storms, Margaret 2 F > NJ > > > And because the spelling > is so close and there in the same general area as some of the prior Stom's. > Here are 2 STORNS <(note spelling) > > MANNINGTON TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ > 1860 Census Page # 19 > Page in this book # 320 > all the following were living in the same household in 1860, > > Name Age Sex Occupation > Birthplace > Horner, Lewis 49 M Master Farmer Salem > Co., NJ > Horner, Susan 48 F > Cumberland Co., NJ > Horner, Louis 18 M App. Farmer Salem > Co., NJ > Garrison, Hannah 18 F Servant > Atlantic Co., NJ > Storns, Clement 17 M App. Farmer Salem > Co., NJ > Horner, Susan 14 F > Salem Co., NJ > Storns, Benjamin 13 M > Salem Co., NJ > Smith, Stephen 30 M Farm Laborer Salem > Co., NJ > > That's all for the STOM, STORM and STORNS Families listed in the 1860 Census > of Salem Co., NJ > > There are about 20 Peachey's listed if you have a first name or more info, > I'll look for you. > > Also, there are about 30 BILDERBACK's listed same with them, if you have a > first name or more info, I'll look for you. > > There is NO Listing in the 1860 Salem Co., NJ Census for the last name STAMM. > > And I think, (although I have been incorrect before) that the place name you > seek is Friesburg, Salem Co., NJ > not > Friesland, NJ > Just a guess on my part but there may be a Friesland, If so I have never > heard of it. > > (** note; I'm related to the Halters, Hitchner's and at least one Fries > buried in Friesburg Emmanual Lutheran Cemetery in Friesburg, Salem Co., NJ) > > I hope this has been of some help to you or some of the list members in some > way. > > Best Regards, > Keith Allen<related to the Halters buried in Friesburg Emmanual Lutheran > Cemetery) > > > In a message dated 02/13/2003 12:10:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Hi, all. I'm looking for traces of a Stoms family living in Salem Co. in > > the early 1800s, possibly around the Upper Pittsgrove area. I know for > > sure > > of Adam, who was born around about 1814-1818; his name was later changed to > > Storms during the Civil War. (Adam married Joanna Earnest in Daretown > > right > > after the Civil War) The Civil War records give some possibilities of > > other > > Stoms in that area prior to the war.....possibly a William. Does anyone > > have any record of this family? > > > > A descendant of Adam's (he was married several times, to - I think - a > > Bilderbeck and to a Peachey) says that the original family name was > > probably > > Stamm and originated in Friesland, NJ.....for now, though, it would be > > great > > to find some record of Stoms in this county in that time frame. > > > > Gail Steckel > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Gail & Listmembers, From the 1860 Census of Salem Co., NJ I find the following STOM & STORMS in households in the Census as follows; SALEM CITY, SALEM CO., NJ 1860 Census Page # 32 Page in this book # 187 all the following were living in the same household in 1860, Name Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Stoms, John W. 21 M Laborer PA. Peachy, Susan 73 F Gloucester Co., NJ Stoms, A. Elizabeth 11 F Salem Co., NJ end of family 4 houses away is a Peachy family as follows, all the following were living in the same household in 1860, Peachy, Ann 34 F PA. Peachy, Hannah 11 F Salem Co., NJ Peachy, Robert 6 M Salem Co., NJ Peachy, Albert 2 M Salem Co., NJ NEXT STOM listed is as follows, MANNINGTON TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ 1860 Census Page/s # 21 household continued onto Page # 22 Page in this book # 322 all the following were living in the same household in 1860, Name Age Sex Occupation Birthplace CENSUS PAGE 21 Wistar, Josiah 31 M Master Farmer Salem Co., NJ Wistar, Martha 69 F Salem Co., NJ Reeves, Priscilla W. 29 F Housekeeper Burlington Co., NJ Pinching, Danirel 22 M Saxony, Germany CENSUS PAGE 23 Stoms, William 23 M Farm Laborer Salem Co., NJ Willets, Charles 25 M.B. Salem Co., NJ Shaw, Edmund 12 M Salem Co., NJ That is all the STOM's listed in the 1860 Salem Co., NJ Census. Here is what is listed for the STORM families of Salem Co., in the Census as follows, UPPER PITTSGROVE TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ 1860 Census Page # 64 Page in this book # 58 all the following were living in the same household in 1860, Name Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Storms, Adam 52 M Laborer NJ Storms, Margaret 2 F NJ And because the spelling is so close and there in the same general area as some of the prior Stom's. Here are 2 STORNS <(note spelling) MANNINGTON TOWNSHIP, SALEM CO., NJ 1860 Census Page # 19 Page in this book # 320 all the following were living in the same household in 1860, Name Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Horner, Lewis 49 M Master Farmer Salem Co., NJ Horner, Susan 48 F Cumberland Co., NJ Horner, Louis 18 M App. Farmer Salem Co., NJ Garrison, Hannah 18 F Servant Atlantic Co., NJ Storns, Clement 17 M App. Farmer Salem Co., NJ Horner, Susan 14 F Salem Co., NJ Storns, Benjamin 13 M Salem Co., NJ Smith, Stephen 30 M Farm Laborer Salem Co., NJ That's all for the STOM, STORM and STORNS Families listed in the 1860 Census of Salem Co., NJ There are about 20 Peachey's listed if you have a first name or more info, I'll look for you. Also, there are about 30 BILDERBACK's listed same with them, if you have a first name or more info, I'll look for you. There is NO Listing in the 1860 Salem Co., NJ Census for the last name STAMM. And I think, (although I have been incorrect before) that the place name you seek is Friesburg, Salem Co., NJ not Friesland, NJ Just a guess on my part but there may be a Friesland, If so I have never heard of it. (** note; I'm related to the Halters, Hitchner's and at least one Fries buried in Friesburg Emmanual Lutheran Cemetery in Friesburg, Salem Co., NJ) I hope this has been of some help to you or some of the list members in some way. Best Regards, Keith Allen<related to the Halters buried in Friesburg Emmanual Lutheran Cemetery) In a message dated 02/13/2003 12:10:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Hi, all. I'm looking for traces of a Stoms family living in Salem Co. in > the early 1800s, possibly around the Upper Pittsgrove area. I know for > sure > of Adam, who was born around about 1814-1818; his name was later changed to > Storms during the Civil War. (Adam married Joanna Earnest in Daretown > right > after the Civil War) The Civil War records give some possibilities of > other > Stoms in that area prior to the war.....possibly a William. Does anyone > have any record of this family? > > A descendant of Adam's (he was married several times, to - I think - a > Bilderbeck and to a Peachey) says that the original family name was > probably > Stamm and originated in Friesland, NJ.....for now, though, it would be > great > to find some record of Stoms in this county in that time frame. > > Gail Steckel > [email protected]

Hi, all. I'm looking for traces of a Stoms family living in Salem Co. in the early 1800s, possibly around the Upper Pittsgrove area. I know for sure of Adam, who was born around about 1814-1818; his name was later changed to Storms during the Civil War. (Adam married Joanna Earnest in Daretown right after the Civil War) The Civil War records give some possibilities of other Stoms in that area prior to the war.....possibly a William. Does anyone have any record of this family? A descendant of Adam's (he was married several times, to - I think - a Bilderbeck and to a Peachey) says that the original family name was probably Stamm and originated in Friesland, NJ.....for now, though, it would be great to find some record of Stoms in this county in that time frame. Gail Steckel [email protected] check out www.globalshopsonline.com for unique gift ideas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oRB.2ACI/641 Message Board Post: I am looking for Mildred Gerner, sister of Thomas E. Seeds who died in 1994, or members of her family. I am doing paternal family research and would like to share info. If anyone knows of anyone related, please contact me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Seeds Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oRB.2ACI/640 Message Board Post: Referring to my previous posting; thanks to all who responded! According to the information given when Christopher Seeds (the elder) married his second wife Lydia (Tice) Jones, his parents were John and Sophia Seeds. Does anyone out there have any guidance they can give me in order to find more info.? Since Christopher was prob. born about 1822, I'm guessing John was born about 1800 give or take a few yrs.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sparks, Wiseman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oRB.2ACI/639 Message Board Post: Looking for the husband of Margaret (Sparks) Wiseman. Infor I have: Descendants of Simon Sparks Generation No. 1 1. SIMON1 SPARKS1 was born in ?, Note: Will says he was from Upper Penns Neck., and died Bet. 27 Mar - 12 Apr 1821 in ?, Note: Will written Mar 27, 1821, proved Apr. 12, 1821.. He married MODALENA ???2. Notes for SIMON SPARKS: Will: "1821, Mar 27. Sparks Simon, Upper Penns Neck, Wife Modalena, insane. Executors to sell personal estate and divide between my children, William, Margaret Wiseman, John, Daniel, Rebefca Stanton, Joseph, Sarah, Andrew and Ervie Sparks. To dau., Margaret Wiseman, norht part of estate. To son Andrew, land. To dau. Ervie, $20. Gideon Scull, grdn of minor children. Exec. friend Hudson Springer. Wit. Jeremiah J. Erwin, Andrew Ashton and Samuel Lippincott. Proved Apr. 12, 1821. B-452" Children of SIMON SPARKS and MODALENA ??? are: i. ANDREW2 SPARKS3. ii. DANIEL SPARKS3. iii. ERVIE SPARKS3. iv. JOHN SPARKS3. v. MARGARET SPARKS4, m. ??? WISEMAN. vi. WILLIAM SPARKS5. Endnotes 1. Abstacted by H. Stantley Graig, Salem County New Jersey Wills 1804-1830, (H. Stanley Craig, Merchantville, N.J.), p. 97. 2. H. Stanley Craig, Salem County Wills, (H. S. Craig), p. 97, Will of her husband, Simon Sparks. 3. H. Stanley Craig, Salem County Wills, (H. S. Craig), p. 97 Mentioned in father, Simon Sparks' Will. 4. H. Stanley Craig, Salem County Wills, (H. S. Craig), p. 97 Mentioned in father, Simon Sparks' Will as dau., Margaret Wiseman, See father's notes.. 5. H. Stanley Craig, Salem County Wills, (H. S. Craig), p. 97 Mentioned in father, Simon Sparks' Will.

-------Original Message------- Does anyone know if similiar lists are available for other New Jersey counties? Sussex & Warren? Joan Wilton Hi Joan, The book I compiled my one list from, "The Loyalists of NJ" (fuller reference can be seen with my previous post on the message board) has the most comprehensive list I have seen, from all over the state. I pulled out for my list, only those directly identified from the southern counties. There are many more who could be from here, but these sources don't specify always where in NJ in each case. You can check the on-line sites too, look for muster rolls, the regimental histories, but also at the State Archives, the local courthouses and historical society libraries for the specific locales you seek. One place I haven't checked yet, though it occured to me there may be files, is the David Library of the Revolution, in Washington's Crossing, Pa. I have a sister that lives near there, so have been meaning to go check out their holdings for some time now. One more thing on my list of things to do since I'll be off-line for awhile. <smile> I offered what I had gathered so far, hoping to attract some attention to this line of research, get people thinking about the possibility, and of course sharing so we don't all reinvent the same wheels looking for this stuff. War is called "The Great Disruptor" and I know I am not alone at having several brick walls in that time frame in my own family lines. Besides, I've weathered several computer crashes at this point in my life, and I have learned the truth in the statement, we only keep what we give away. Putting this on line, means I can refer back to it later too, in case my files get corrupted. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, so my approach is gathering all I can from as many places as I can find it, then sorting through, see if I can connect some dots that will help me understand what I couldn't see before as far as what was going on in my ancestor's time. Reading general histories is helpful, but those are most often written by the "winners", no? Once some one was an "outsider", be it in war or religion or even just because they migrated away for other reasons, they "disapear" in most local regards, in civil records anyway. So, I have set out to learn all I can on this topic right now, from histories, biographies, journals, and especially original documents in various archives, but I am also open to looking around in alternate sources to find some of my lost kin. I learn as much some days from queries from people who are far away from Salem county roots, seeking back here for their source. The further perspective they offer has opened my eyes on more than one occasion. Hope this helps suggest some places to look. Val

In a message dated 2/8/03 7:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To: > > > > Does anyone know if similar lists are available for other New Jersey > counties? Sussex & Warren? > Joan Wilton >

--part1_e.2c868d57.2b76f618_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_e.2c868d57.2b76f618_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (rly-xg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.202]) by air-xg05.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXG52-0208190511; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 19:05:11 1900 Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG56-0208190457; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 19:04:57 -0500 Received: from x0c9n3 (AS53-01-131.cas-lon.golden.net [207.35.140.131]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id h1904tj10864 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:04:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Wayne & Joan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Loyalist records at the Salem County Courthouse - 53 files available Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:59:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Does anyone know if similiar lists are available for other New Jersey counties? Sussex & Warren? Joan Wilton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Loyalist records at the Salem County Courthouse - 53 files available > These inquests must have been terrible for families and relatives torn apart > over the Revolution, with Patriots vs Loyalists in such small tightly knit > communities. After the inquests and confiscation of lands and possessions > did most of the Loyalists move to Canada, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia? Or > were they taken in by forgiving family members or head west? Apparently they > were totally penniless -- did wives and children go with them? Such a > painful time when you read all these known surnames from that era. Joan > > > > In a message dated 2/8/03 3:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > This indexed list was provided by Ellie Kidd, the Archivist to the clerk of > > the Salem Couny, and printed ipreviiously in the April 1996 (Volume 3, > > Issue 3 - Military Edition ) of the Newsletter of the Genealogical Society > > of Salem County.. > > > > > > -------------------- > > In July and August of 1778, many inquests were made of local residents who > > were suspected of aiding the British during the Revolutionary war. These > > inquests were held in Pittsgrove. The jurors were William Shute Henry > > Sparks, Joseph Shinn, Joseph Paullin, Thomas Mayhew, Allen Congleton Jr., > > Abner Penton, Aaron Biddle, Joseph Howard, Cornelius Newkirk, Joseph > > Dickinson, Robert Sparks, Phillip Young, Jacob Dubois, Joseph Vanmeter, > > Isaac Burroughs, and John Elwell. These hearings were presided over by > > John Mayhew, Justice of the Peace. > > > > NAME > > Bacon, Samuel > > Booth, John > > Booten, John > > Carney, Peter > > Clarke, James > > Clarke, Robert > > Clarke, Thomas > > Coarce, Henry > > Daniels, John > > Davis, Samuel; > > Dean, James > > Donaldson, John > > Donelson, Gabriel > > Dubois, Jerman > > Dunham, Phineas > > Flanagan, James > > Fries, Frederick > > Garrison, Jacob > > Greasebury, James > > Hall, Elisha > > Hall, Nathaniel > > Hampton, William > > Heartly, Joseph > > Hilton, Joseph > > Jameson, Samuel > > > > > > Trevis ? > > Johnstone, George > > Kent, Eramus > > Killey, John > > Kirby, Noah > > Kitts, Robert > > Lamb, Thomas > > Longbough, Henry > > Meredith, Ellis > > Miller, Michael > > Miller, William, Esq. > > Mooney, Mathew > > Morrow, John > > Munyan, Joseph > > Randoleer, Christopher > > Rawsson, William > > Reed, Lewis > > Richmond, Abraham > > Sanders, Abraham > > Sparks, John Jr. > > Sparks, John Sr. > > Stalcop, John > > Sutton, Moses > > Sutton, Thomas Cote > > Suvoy, Jacob > > Tudor, John > > Urion, John > > Woolport, Michael > > Wood, Obediah > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --part1_e.2c868d57.2b76f618_boundary--

These inquests must have been terrible for families and relatives torn apart over the Revolution, with Patriots vs Loyalists in such small tightly knit communities. After the inquests and confiscation of lands and possessions did most of the Loyalists move to Canada, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia? Or were they taken in by forgiving family members or head west? Apparently they were totally penniless -- did wives and children go with them? Such a painful time when you read all these known surnames from that era. Joan In a message dated 2/8/03 3:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This indexed list was provided by Ellie Kidd, the Archivist to the clerk of > the Salem Couny, and printed ipreviiously in the April 1996 (Volume 3, > Issue 3 - Military Edition ) of the Newsletter of the Genealogical Society > of Salem County.. > > > -------------------- > In July and August of 1778, many inquests were made of local residents who > were suspected of aiding the British during the Revolutionary war. These > inquests were held in Pittsgrove. The jurors were William Shute Henry > Sparks, Joseph Shinn, Joseph Paullin, Thomas Mayhew, Allen Congleton Jr., > Abner Penton, Aaron Biddle, Joseph Howard, Cornelius Newkirk, Joseph > Dickinson, Robert Sparks, Phillip Young, Jacob Dubois, Joseph Vanmeter, > Isaac Burroughs, and John Elwell. These hearings were presided over by > John Mayhew, Justice of the Peace. > > NAME > Bacon, Samuel > Booth, John > Booten, John > Carney, Peter > Clarke, James > Clarke, Robert > Clarke, Thomas > Coarce, Henry > Daniels, John > Davis, Samuel; > Dean, James > Donaldson, John > Donelson, Gabriel > Dubois, Jerman > Dunham, Phineas > Flanagan, James > Fries, Frederick > Garrison, Jacob > Greasebury, James > Hall, Elisha > Hall, Nathaniel > Hampton, William > Heartly, Joseph > Hilton, Joseph > Jameson, Samuel > > > Trevis ? > Johnstone, George > Kent, Eramus > Killey, John > Kirby, Noah > Kitts, Robert > Lamb, Thomas > Longbough, Henry > Meredith, Ellis > Miller, Michael > Miller, William, Esq. > Mooney, Mathew > Morrow, John > Munyan, Joseph > Randoleer, Christopher > Rawsson, William > Reed, Lewis > Richmond, Abraham > Sanders, Abraham > Sparks, John Jr. > Sparks, John Sr. > Stalcop, John > Sutton, Moses > Sutton, Thomas Cote > Suvoy, Jacob > Tudor, John > Urion, John > Woolport, Michael > Wood, Obediah > > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Military Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oRB.2ACI/638 Message Board Post: Fola Bevan, a genealogist from Milleville, once told me that at the time of the Revolution, the hatred for English sympathizers ran so high in Cohansy, tombstones were torn from the cemetery and thrown in the river, so even those family names would be forgotten. That is hard for me to imagine, but I respect Fola and her years of study in the area, so I never asked for a source for that statement when I had the chance. However, the more I learn, the more I feel this avenue of research could be a source of information that might scale more than one brick wall. I've been surfing around on this topic for a couple of weeks now, so can offer a couple of places you might want to look. The On-line Institute for Advanced Loyalist Studies: This one is fairly new, but already awesome. Plus you'll find more links from here. http://www.royalprovincial.com/index.htm Rootsweb message board - Loyalists Fairly inactive so far, but giver it a shot. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.loyalists Also, I discovered as I searched some specific names, there are many Canadians hunting on the web to discover their immigrant's roots in the states. The Rootsweb NJ - Unknown county list showed me a few of these. If anyone has others, I'd like to see them. Val

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Military Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oRB.2ACI/637 Message Board Post: This indexed list was provided by Ellie Kidd, the Archivist to the clerk of the Salem Couny, and printed ipreviiously in the April 1996 (Volume 3, Issue 3 - Military Edition ) of the Newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Salem County.. -------------------- In July and August of 1778, many inquests were made of local residents who were suspected of aiding the British during the Revolutionary war. These inquests were held in Pittsgrove. The jurors were William Shute Henry Sparks, Joseph Shinn, Joseph Paullin, Thomas Mayhew, Allen Congleton Jr., Abner Penton, Aaron Biddle, Joseph Howard, Cornelius Newkirk, Joseph Dickinson, Robert Sparks, Phillip Young, Jacob Dubois, Joseph Vanmeter, Isaac Burroughs, and John Elwell. These hearings were presided over by John Mayhew, Justice of the Peace. NAME Bacon, Samuel Booth, John Booten, John Carney, Peter Clarke, James Clarke, Robert Clarke, Thomas Coarce, Henry Daniels, John Davis, Samuel; Dean, James Donaldson, John Donelson, Gabriel Dubois, Jerman Dunham, Phineas Flanagan, James Fries, Frederick Garrison, Jacob Greasebury, James Hall, Elisha Hall, Nathaniel Hampton, William Heartly, Joseph Hilton, Joseph Jameson, Samuel Trevis ? Johnstone, George Kent, Eramus Killey, John Kirby, Noah Kitts, Robert Lamb, Thomas Longbough, Henry Meredith, Ellis Miller, Michael Miller, William, Esq. Mooney, Mathew Morrow, John Munyan, Joseph Randoleer, Christopher Rawsson, William Reed, Lewis Richmond, Abraham Sanders, Abraham Sparks, John Jr. Sparks, John Sr. Stalcop, John Sutton, Moses Sutton, Thomas Cote Suvoy, Jacob Tudor, John Urion, John Woolport, Michael Wood, Obediah

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Military Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oRB.2ACI/636 Message Board Post: This is a list I extracted for my own studies, taken from the book: The Loyalists of New Jersey, Their Memorials, Petitions, Claims, etc.,From English Records, by E. Alfred Jones: Collections of the NJ Historical Society, Vol. X, Newark, NJ Published by the Society;1927 Facsimile Reprint pub.1988 by Heritage Books, Inc., Bowie, Md. which includes additionally; NJ Loyalists Appendix III by A. Van Doren Honeyman, Plainfield, NJ who, listing his sources, states that; " Advertisements of inquisitions, judgments, public sales of forfeited estates, etc., originally published in the "New Jersey Gazette" at Trenton and republished in the Second Series of "New Jersey Archives," Vols. 1-5. " I decided to gather up the people who are definitely in the lower counties of NJ, although there are many other names in the book that aren't identified as anything but generally of NJ. --- A List of Some Southern Jersey Loyalists Abbott, Abdon, Jr, Salem Atkinson, Moses, Salem Co. judge.1778-9 Avis, George , Glouc. Co, judge, sale 1778-9 Ballanger, Jonathan, Cumberland co, Barber, Hugh, Cumberland co, Barrott, James Jr, Cumb. Bartram, Alexander, Glouc Baugh, Nicholas, Cumb co Benson, James, Cumberland Bettle, John, Lieut.. West Jersey Vols. Biddle, Josiah, Gloc Birch, James, Glouc Bocock, Wm. Glouc co Bonum, Malachi, Cumb. Booth, John Salem Border, John, Glouc Bough, Nicolas, Cumb Bowen, Ashley, Cumb Bowen, Daniel (Capt.) Cumb Boyd, James, Cumb Burton, John, Cumb Buzhart, Jeremiah, Cumb Carter, Benj. Glouc co Carter, John, Jr, Glouc. Cartwright, Caleb, Cumb Cartwright, Samuel, Cumb Cayford, Richard, Cumb. Chew, David, Glouc Chew, Jonathan, Glouc Clark, George (Capt.) Salem Clark, James, Salem Clark, John, Cumb Clark, Joseph, Glouc Clarke, Thomas, Salem Clement, Jacob, Jr. Glouc Cook, Patterson, Glouc Cowperwaite, Hugh, Salem (*served under DeVebber) Corse, Henry, Salem Cox, John, Glouc Cozins, Daniel, Glouc Cozins, Joshua, Glouc Daniel, Joel, Cumb Daniels, John, Salem Daniels, Joseph, Salem? Davis, Jeremiah, Cumb Davis, Jerman, Salem Davis, Samuel, Salem Dean, James, Salem co Devanport, Wm. Glouc DeVeber. Gabriel , Glouc. (Major) West NJ Vols. DeVeber, Gabriel, Jr. Glouc. Dilkes, John, Glouc Dilkes, Joshua, Glouc Dill, Joseph, Glou Dolles, Rebut, Cumb Donaldson, Andrew, Cumb Doughterty, James, Salem Dowdney, Nathaniel, Cumb Dreeler, John, Cumb. Duffield, Benj. Glouc Duffield, James, Glouc, Dunham, Phineas, Salem Dutton, William, Cumb Eglington, Edward, Glouc Elwel, Israel, Salem Co Evans, John, Cumb Fisher, Jonathan, Sr, Glouc Fisher, Jonathan, Jr. , Glouc Fitzgerald, Ambrose, Cumb Flanagan, James, Salem Co Flowers, Martin, Cumb Forsman, William, Glouc Franklin, John, Glouc Fullerton, Wm. Cumb Fusman, Daniel, Glouc Fusman, William, Glouc Garrison, Jacob, Salem Gibbs, Lucas, Glouc Glan, Gabriel, Cumb Gruff, John, Glouc Hall, Elisha, Salem Hall, Isaac, Cumb Hall, Levi, Cumb Hanks, John, Cumb Hannisey, James, Glouc Hatton, John Glouc and Cape May Hatton, John, Jr, (Lieutenant) served in Va. and NJ Henchman,(Hinchman) John, Glouc Hewitt, Jacob, Glouc Hewitt, Job, Glouc Hilton, Joseph, Salem Ingland, William, Jr, Glouc Inglish, John Glouc Inglish, John, Jr. Glouc Jefferis, John, Cumb Johnson, George, Salem Johnson, Peter, Glouc Jones, Andrew, Glouc Justason, Isaac, Glouc Kelly, John, Glouc Kent Erasmus, Jr. Salem Ketcham, Richard, Cumb Kindal, Joseph, Salem co Kirby, John, Glouc Knowles, Charles West Jersey Lamb, Thomas, Salem Langley, Henry, Salem Langley, Rueben, Salem Lloyd, David, Glouc Long, Joseph, Glouc Long, Silas, Glouc Lord, Asa Glouc Lord, Isaac, Glouc Mead, Richard, Salem Co Money, Matthew, Salem Morris, Noah, Cumb Morrow, John, Salem Nightengale, Thomas, Glouc Noble, Anthony, Salem O'Bryant, John Dr. O'Kennedy, Matthew (Capt.) physician at Salem, described as "Of Stow Creek" Owen, James, Cumb Parker, James, Cumb Pearce, William, of Salem (lived in Pa) Phipps, John, Cumb Pratt, Joseph, Glouc Prosser, Jeremiah, Glouc Randolear, Christopher, Salem Reed, Lewis, Salem and Cumb Reynolds, Benjamin of Deerfield, Cumb Richards, Jesse Glouc Riggins, Thomas, Cumb Robeson, John, Glouc Rodrow, John, Glouc Saunders, Abraham, Salem Sayler, William, Cumb Seeley, Job, Cumb Shaw, Daniel, Cumb Shaw, Hezekiah, Cumb Snowden, Richard, Glouc Souder, Peter, Jr. Cumb Sparks, John, Salem Sparks, John, Jr. Salem Stallcope, John, Salem Stout, Philip, Glouc Stretch, Daniel Cumb Stretch, John, Cumb Stretch, Samuel, Cumb String, Charles (or Christopher) Glouc Suran, David, Glouc Sutton, Jacob, Salem Sutton, James, Salem Sutton, Jon, Salem Sutton, Moses, Salem Sutton, Thomas, Salem Sutton, Thomas Coat, Salem Swanton, George, Glouc Taylor, Matthias, Cumb Thomas, Ezekiel, Cumb Thomas, Job, Glouc Thompson, James, Glouc Tubman, Ananias Cumb Tubman, Sylvanus, Cumb Tudas, John, Salem Urion, Gideon, Glouc Van Mater, Jacob, Salem Wake, Drury, Salem Ward, Richard, Salem Watkins, David, Cumb Welding, Benj, Cumb Wells, Daniel, Cloug Wells, Harrison, Glouc Wells, William, Glouc West, Uriah, Glouc Whitaker, Robert, Salem and Glouc Wilson, Jesse. Cumb Wood Obadiah, Salem Woodland, William Woodward, Thomas Glouc Youren, John, Salem Please note**** I will be going off line as of 2/09/03 for awhile, so please make all responses to my posts directly to the Rootsweb Salem county board, so I can check them on my return. Thank you Val