Thanks Ann, I was aware of the facts you presented. My problem is there are very few records for NJ outside of NJ. What the LDS has is restricted and can only be viewed at Salt Lake City. So the only way I would be able to look at any records is to go. Michael Clouse in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: GarMess@aol.com To: batboy@glis.net Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [NJMORRIS] CLOUSE, Leonard, NJ b. ca 1760 Hi, Leonard Clouse married 2nd Elizabeth Messecar, widow of John Messecar. 2 of his daughters married into the Messecar family,too. I would look at early Sussex County records, which is where John and Elizabeth came from. There appear to be strong connections with the Sovereign family. Ann Messecar