Dan, Having trouble with your home email, so I am putting information up here. The church you probably need is the First Reformed Chuch dating back to the 1600's. Any exchange of information has to be done in writing. Contact: First Reformed Church, 9 Bayard St., New Brunswick, NJ 08901, Attention Susan. Susan said she will sent you information on their policy. Good luck. (Mr.) Terry Hann

Would anyone have any information on a seminary for the Reformed Church (German Reformed?) in New Brunswick. I would be very interested in obtaining their address, phone number, web-site, etc. I was told this seminary has a repository of old church records. Thank you in advance :) Dan in Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Here's another puzzling question. The Thornton map, mentioned in my earlier e-mail, clearly shows the boundary line trending between 10 and 15 degrees to the west of true north. However, last weekend I saw another antique map (an original!) that clearly showed the boundary line as due north. Does anyone have any better information? Wilson DeCamp Vienna, VA In a message dated 2/26/2001 2:02:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > FYI, there's a map showing the boundary between East Jersey and West Jersey > at <A HREF="http://www.state.nj.us/state/gif/thornt.gif">http://www.state.nj.us/state/gif/thornt.gif</A> . > > Comparing it with a current road map, it looks like the boundary was a > straight line running from approximately Little Egg Harbor to Delaware > Water > Gap. > > Wilson DeCamp > Vienna, VA >

FYI, there's a map showing the boundary between East Jersey and West Jersey at <A HREF="http://www.state.nj.us/state/gif/thornt.gif">http://www.state.nj.us/state/gif/thornt.gif</A> . Comparing it with a current road map, it looks like the boundary was a straight line running from approximately Little Egg Harbor to Delaware Water Gap. Wilson DeCamp Vienna, VA

I just checked John T. Cunningham, The East of Jersey, for some hard data on partially remembered stuff. Shortly before the English took New Amsterdam and the associated lands claimed by the Dutch (from the Ct. River to the Delaware), Long Island, and other coastal islands, the Charles II, recently restored, gave his brother, James, Duke of York, the area. (March 12, 1664). James was to be the sole proprietor of the lands, with "full and absolute power & authority to correct, punisyh, pardon, governe & rule all such Subjects of us .. who shall from time to time adventure themselves into any the parts or places aforesaid." Shortly after, the British took the Dutch colony. Even while the British were sailing to take New Amsterdam, James decided (in reward for past, present, and future favors) to grant an area of his new lands -- the present New Jersey -- to supporters John Berkeley and George Carteret. The Carterets were lords of the island of Jersey, the last stronghold of Stuart support against Cromwell. The new proprietors had the right to sell and charge rent on any land in New Jersey -- despite previous claims by native groups or Dutch or Swedish settlers already in the area. Theoretically, there were to be negotiations with the Indians, although what the early deeds meant to the Indians or the authority of those who signed the deed is unclear. John Cunningham in The East of Jerseym NJHS, 1992, writes: The Concessions and Agreements are far too long to detail here. Briefly the document guaranteed a quite liberal measure of self government in a popularly elected assembly that would work with the governor and his appointed council. " p 26. The document granted land, but not governance, a problem which was to surface and resurface during the rest of the century. The split between East and West Jersey came about a bit later. Some was a result of the transfer of land as the Dutch were briefly given back NJ, and then granted it back to England. At that time James, now James II, under pressure from powerful Quaker businessmen, granted some of the lands in NJ to them. (1676). The maps and lines drawn in London were not very accurate, of course, and the subject of controversy for years to come. So New Jersey had two sets of proprietors, and (most of the time), one agreed-upon proprietary governor, and one council and assembly (most of the time, but I stand to be corrected on that.) The basic shape of NJ, and its future politics, was in a sense set early, with West Jersey centered around Trenton and East Jersey around Elizabeth. The problem of who actually governed NJ was finally settled under William and Mary in 1702, when a Royal governor was appointed. Interestingly, the Proprietors did not give up their rights at the time of the Revolution, as did those in other "proprietary" colonies such as S. Carolina. Until quite recently, any piece of NJ land that was not already claimed (and a few pieces did exist in the sharp hills of the north and Pine Barrens of the south) belonged to the proprietors and had to be purchased from them. The East Jersey Proprietors went out of business about two years ago -- although most of their income in recent years had been from genealogists and lawyers seeking titles. The records are now with the State Archives. Hey, this was harder than I thought. Richard Haycook wrote: > [email protected] wrote: > > > > If someone in early 1700's in Chester Co. was said to have come from 'SALEM > > WEST JERSEY' -- where would that be?? > > > > Before NEW Jersey became "New" It was called East Jersey and West > Jersey. The line ran approximately from the upper NW corner (now Sussex > County, near High Point and Port Jervis) to about where Atlantic City is > now. Therefore Salem is still in the same place it is now (Salem > County? in south Jersey). At that time it was in West Jersey. > I'm not sure when the changeover was made but I've seen newspaper > articles in the 1840/50s refer to is as West/East Jersey (perhaps old > habits are hard to break?) . However every census I've looked at before > 1850 calls it New Jersey. > I recall the E/W references being used mostly in the 1600s and 1700s > --- not that I was there, you know! BTW Chester County is in > Pennsylvania (among other states), not East/West/New Jersey. > Cheers Rich in NH

"West Jersey" might be called 'South Jersey" today; the state was, until the 1730's, divided by a roughly diagonal line from northeast to southwest. Salem is today the name of a county in New Jersey founded in 1694 (in West Jersey). The county seat is also named Salem. Bill Carr

[email protected] wrote: > > If someone in early 1700's in Chester Co. was said to have come from 'SALEM > WEST JERSEY' -- where would that be?? > Before NEW Jersey became "New" It was called East Jersey and West Jersey. The line ran approximately from the upper NW corner (now Sussex County, near High Point and Port Jervis) to about where Atlantic City is now. Therefore Salem is still in the same place it is now (Salem County? in south Jersey). At that time it was in West Jersey. I'm not sure when the changeover was made but I've seen newspaper articles in the 1840/50s refer to is as West/East Jersey (perhaps old habits are hard to break?) . However every census I've looked at before 1850 calls it New Jersey. I recall the E/W references being used mostly in the 1600s and 1700s --- not that I was there, you know! BTW Chester County is in Pennsylvania (among other states), not East/West/New Jersey. Cheers Rich in NH

If someone in early 1700's in Chester Co. was said to have come from 'SALEM WEST JERSEY' -- where would that be?? Thanks, Carol

Posted on: Morris County Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NJ/Morris/1935 Surname: FREEMAN, MATHEWS ------------------------- Linus Condit Freeman married Harriet Cornelia Mathews Feb.16, 1825 in Hanover, New Jersey. Harriet's Father was Charles Mathews who lived in Chatham, Morris County, New Jersey. Have you seen a Linus Condit Freeman in your research? E-Mail [email protected] Thank you, Janet Matthews

Posted on: Morris County Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NJ/Morris/1932 Surname: MATHEWS, WHITMORE ------------------------- Our Charles Mathews b.ca 1780-1788 married Rachel Whitmore in 1801 Chatham, Morris County, N.J.. Have you seen a Whitmore Family, with Rachel as a child, in your research? My E-mail address: [email protected] Thank you, Janet Matthews

Posted on: Morris County Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NJ/Morris/1928 Surname: MATHEWS, BRUEN, FREEMAN, SQUIER, WHITMORE ------------------------- Enjoyed reading your query, John. I am ready to sail across the ocean looking for our Charles Mathews b.1708 - 1788, Wife Rachel Whitmore, second Wife Jane B. Carl and Children, Harriet Cornelia, Edmund R., Victor M., Charles, Jr. and Anna Laura living in Chatham Township, Morris County, N.J.in the early 1800's. As you remember the Surnames his Children married were: Bruen, Freeman, Squier, Tappan, Ward, and his Wives Surnames were Whitmore and Carl. I am thinking I may find him on a passenger list, if not tucked in a Manhattan, N.Y. or Pa. farm. As I am searching I will look for your Bruen's and other Surnames. I think of you often and still appreciate all the information you have shared with me. Thank you again, Janet Matthews E-mail [email protected]

Looking for information on Paul SULLIVAN married Gladys SCHWIND 1955 in St. Mary's Church Dover, NJ and his brother Joseph SULLIVAN m Margaret LARSON 1957. Thanks Walt Walton J. Sullivan at [email protected] Maternal: MELVIN, COLEMAN, MC HUGH, RITTER, WADE, CURRAN, CORBETT, JORDAN, GRAY, KNIGHT, BELL, CUSICK, STANTON, WAGNER, TORGERSON, TRAYNOR, HOGAN, COSGROVE, HOLMES, HANRAHAN Paternal - O'BRIEN, CUMMINGS, SULLIVAN, GERRITY, GORMAN, WALTON, FEE, SHEA, STANTON, SHIELDS, WEISS, GRIFFIN, LYNCH, GLYNN, HART, JENKINS, ORMSBY, DOLAN, GIBLIN, CAFFERY, KENNEDY, CAVENEY, CORBETT, PHILBIN, ROLAND, MC ALOON. O'CONNOR Ireland-Wales-Pennsylvania; Old Forge, Minooka, Taylor, Scranton, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Hawley: New York-Kingston, New Amsterdam http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/l/Walton--J-Sullivan/index.html http://www.monmouth.com/~mrbyrne/

Diane and all; Thank you for checking your files. Yours was the only response. Dick Van Duyne In a message dated 2/20/01 2:02:12 AM, [email protected] writes: >Dick, > >I am not sure if you ever got an answer to this question or not. I can >give you what information I have. >I show Jane as Jane W. and not Jane Ann. If you received any further >information; let me know. > > Family Group > > > Subject* Egbert Miller > Birth* __ ___ 1822 > Death* __ ___ 1911 > Marriage* __ ___ ____ > Father* > Mother* > > Spouse* Jane W. Henion > Birth* __ ___ 1835 > Death* __ ___ 1900 > Father* > Mother* > > > F Sarah H. Miller > Birth* cir __ ___ 1859 (age 26 at time of marriage). > Marriage* 05 Jul 1885 Charles N. Nelson (1860- ), son of Rev. >W. C. Nelson and Olive Clark; Mt. Tabor, Morris Co., New Jersey. > > >Source: Envelope postmarked 21 Aug 1967, Pompton Lakes, NJ >Probably Parsippany V.R. > > Printed on: 20 Feb 2001 > Prepared by: Diane W. Sives > >At this point, I do not know if there are two or 1 Egbert Miller. I have >incorporated your birth and death dates into my information. >

O.K. I confess I slept thru History and Geography in High School and then again in college...could SKS please tell me where Morristown is? I found an abstract of Rev War Pension applications this past weekend and my 4G-grandfather, William Dougherty, alias Connor enlisted in Morristown. He was the step-son of John Dougherty. Also, if there is anyone who has any information on William or John Dougherty, please let me know. Thank you, Dan in Nebraska _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

My ancestor is Joseph Fisher, b April 1734 in Saxony and died 29 Dec 1819 in Catawissa Twp PA. We believe that he lived in Greenwich Twp, Sussex County NJ, and served in the Revolutionary War as a private from Morris County NJ. This weekend I found a Joseph Fischer who took the Oath of Allegiance on 5 October 1763 in Philadelphia from the ship Richmond, from Rotterdam but last from Richmond, captained by Charles Young Husband. Does anyone know anything about Joseph Fisher's lift in NJ prior to his moving to PA? Or about the Joseph Fischer who came to America on the Richmond? Thank you. Pete Hubicki

Dick, I am not sure if you ever got an answer to this question or not. I can give you what information I have. I show Jane as Jane W. and not Jane Ann. If you received any further information; let me know. Family Group Subject* Egbert Miller Birth* __ ___ 1822 Death* __ ___ 1911 Marriage* __ ___ ____ Father* Mother* Spouse* Jane W. Henion Birth* __ ___ 1835 Death* __ ___ 1900 Father* Mother* F Sarah H. Miller Birth* cir __ ___ 1859 (age 26 at time of marriage). Marriage* 05 Jul 1885 Charles N. Nelson (1860- ), son of Rev. W. C. Nelson and Olive Clark; Mt. Tabor, Morris Co., New Jersey. Source: Envelope postmarked 21 Aug 1967, Pompton Lakes, NJ Probably Parsippany V.R. Printed on: 20 Feb 2001 Prepared by: Diane W. Sives At this point, I do not know if there are two or 1 Egbert Miller. I have incorporated your birth and death dates into my information. [email protected] wrote: > > To all, > > Is anyone following the Miller clan? > > I have one Egbert Miller or two Egbert Millers. > > >From one source, Egbert Miller was the father of two daughters (at least): > Flora Miller (1861-1931) married James M. Van Duyne. > Catherine Miller (1877-1946) married Abraham A. Van Duyne. > > >From another pair of sources: > Egbert Miller (1822-1911) married Jane Ann Hennion (1835-1900). > > My question is: Are these two different Egbert Millers or one Egbert Miller? > > Dick Van Duyne > >

Mary Lou. I recently found where some ancestors were from and I found this site. I am looking for info such as records, etc, of the Merrick family. I can't get back further than Jonathan Merrick b. Abt 166-ish in Fairfield Co., CT. He married Ursula Fairchild of Fairfield Co. They had several children there, then moved to Morris Co., New Jersey and had several more. I am looking to get copies of census, what ever I can. They moved to Ohio later, atleast my ancestor did. Any info would be helpful. I just joined today and I am happy to be here. Mary Lou Happy Hunting!

Mat(t)hews, Charles b. ca 1780-1788 & d. 1855. Lived in Chatham Township, Morris County, N.J. all his life. Married Rachel Whitmore July 25, 1801. Second wife, Jane Broadwell Carl June 6, 1829. Children: Charlotte B., Harriet Cornelia, Edmund R., Vicotr M., Charles, Jr. & Anna Laura.. Surnames who married into this family are, Alfred Squier, Susan Caroline Bruen, Sarah Munn Bruen, Catharine Jane Tappan, Linus Condit Freeman, David Farrand Ward. Will be happy to share information. Searching for Charles Mat(t)hews sibling's and parent's. E-mail address [email protected] Thank you, Janet Matthews

Posted on: Morris County Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Morris/1918 Surname: Mathews, Bruen, Freeman, Squier, Ward ------------------------- Mathews, Charles b.ca 1780 - 1788. Lived in Chatham Township, Morris County, N.J. all his life. Married Rachel Whitmore,1801 and second wife Jane Broadwell Carl,1829. Children: Charlotte B., Harriet Cornelia, Edmund R., Victor M., Charles, Jr., and Anna Laura. Surnames his Children married are Bruen, Freeman, Squier, Tappan, and Ward. Searching for Charles Mathews sibling's and parent's. E-mail [email protected] Thank you, Janet Matthews

Is anyone researching the name HURLBERT/HURLBURT/HULBERT(or other variation)? There was a JOHN HURLBURT in Bethel Township in late 1690's. He had a cousin EDWARD HULBERT, a taylor, who was from the Jersey's. Thanks for any information. Carol