Thank you that was a great link Linda. I am researching the Patterson/Van Kirk, Van Brunt, Ciszeski, and Guenther lines. Donna Patterson IttyBkShp@aol.com <A HREF="http://patterson.family.homepage.com/index.html">http://patterson.fam ily.homepage.com/index.html</A> <A HREF="http://patterson.family.homepage.com/index.html">Patterson Family Page</A>