I have been looking for this for a long time. Anyone know about it? Susan P

Helle Everyone, Does anyone have an Edmunt Throckmorton in their line he would be from the Long Branch area between 1850-1900. thanks. Kevin J. Olvaney

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I went to the link & added my name. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Chubenko" <michelle@chubenko.us> To: <NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: [GSNJ] [Fwd: NHPRC to Receive No Funding] > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: APG-NY - NHPRC to Receive No Funding > Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:51:39 -0400 > > The following email was distributed by the National Historical > Publications and Records Commission (NHPRC) Joint Advocacy Task Force. > I wanted to share this information, as it is of concern to many > of us who use archives: > > The President's budget recommendations for Fiscal Year 2006 slash or > eliminate more than 150 federal programs. In that budget, the NHPRC has > been targeted to receive NO funding. This includes no funds for the > grants program and no funds for staffing to support the NHPRC programs. > It effectively eliminates the National Historical Publications and > Records Commission. > > The Council of State Historical Records Coordinators, the Society of > American Archivists, and the National Association for Government > Archivists and Records Administrators are working collaboratively to > address this threat to NHPRC and NARA. 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hats off to david for all the hard continuous work he does for all of us. i send this along happily to all of you. Linda FROM DAVID: Howdy - just wanted the list to know I've not been idle with the will abstracts have been posting to you all. Have been involved in putting the material into RootsWeb's Archives project. It is an ongoing process, so when you access the site(s) you may not find who you are looking for, but rest assured that sometime in the future the material will be there. In addition to will abstracts from Volume XXIII, am also doing XXII which deals with marriages, and eventually XXI which deals with deeds and the like. ENJOY!!! This one is for the marriages: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/njmarriage.htm The first Yellow Highlight begins your section and has all the files that you've submitted so far. And this one is for the Wills: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/njwills.htm There is a search box on the main page where you can select a county or subject. Choosing vitals will search through the marriage records. David

Larry and others: The message is appropriate, timely and addresses a great, little-covered aspect of history. Funerary art, as well as death practices, need greater study. We have a number of fine, important cemeteries in Monmouth County worthy of a visit even if one lacks an ancestor. The first, park-like public cemetery is here in Middletown, Fair View, while one later in the 19th century, Mount Olivet, also known as "the Catholic cemetery", shows the practices of early Catholic immigrant groups with some noteworthy monuments. It is located near Fair View; the two are readily coverable on a single visit. Randall Gabrielan

I am looking for death certificates for some folks who lived in Monmouth County. They're on the 1930 census there. I don't know when they died? nor exactly where, but probably do know the township where they lived. How and where does one get a death certificate without a death date? thanks. Dan

Anyone researching the Siciliano families? Dan

I am submitting this on the supposition that it is of interest to list members. It is a news article written by the chaplain at Fort Monmouth, a military installation in Monmouth County, NJ. I apologize in advance if anyone finds this inappropriate for the Brooklyn and/or Monmouth County lists. Larry Lanzaro Chaplain's corner<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Talking stones Chap. (Col.) Hugh A MacKenzie Garrison Staff Chaplain "I told you I was sick..." a 19th century epitaph. "You're doing what?!" asked my study buddy after I informed him of the topic for my doctoral project. It was, "The Cemetery Considered As A Context For Death Education." He wasn't the last to raise an eyebrow. I had to fight mightily to get approval by the peer review group and my faculty advisor. Our society, unique in the annals of human history, has decided to deal with the universal reality of death by not dealing with it. Some cultures raise pyramids. Others have extensive and involved rites. Others erect a whole sub-culture around death with attendant art, music, costumes, literature and music. We pave it over. We shoulder it aside. We pretend it just doesn't exist. We wonder why our youth often become fixated on the topic for death has replaced sex as the new pornographic taboo. You see, a culture is nothing more or less than a vehicle for maintaining and propagating certain group values and beliefs. Cultures, dedicated to preserving a distinctive way of life, are by their very natures, designed to outlast individuals. Therefore a culture's biggest enemy is death itself. Go ahead and ignore it but death will not be denied. That's where cemeteries have and should still come into play. They are important cultural repositories. It's really quite simple. Memorials are, by necessity, made out of stern and durable stuff. And durable materials like stone, metal, ceramics, are difficult to work with and often expensive. So the medium limits the message i.e., you only get to put down what is truly important. This makes even the average cemetery an open-air library of history, emotion, thought, belief, poetry, art, and even humor. It's all there if you know what to look for. There if we would only take the time and overcome our prejudices and fear to look and consider. My family made annual pilgrimages to two if not three cemeteries on Staten Island. Mom would pack a picnic lunch and off we'd go. Amid the lush shrubbery and well-trimmed lawns my brother and I would be regaled with stories of long departed relatives. Soldiers, sailors, pioneers, boat builders, housewives, young babes and old crones. Most dead long before I was born. Yet, I felt connected to them and realized that my ancestors while dead, were still a part of who I was. I also came to realize that I would join them. History took on a whole new meaning well before I was ten years old. What a shame that death has become such a taboo. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, author of On Death and Dying relates a telling story in the preface of the book. Being a good clinician, she did careful groundwork at a well-known Chicago hospital in her intention of interviewing terminal patients. After extensive staff work and many meetings with administration and nursing departments, imagine her chagrin when on the first day of interviews not one terminal patient could be found in the 1,200 bed facility. We miss so much and understand so little. Perhaps it's time for you to pack up the old Ford and take off for the cemetery. I guarantee that you will discover much about human nature and your own destiny. "Teach us to count how few days we have and so gain wisdom of heart..." Psalm 90. Come. Let us reason together.

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Part one _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1091&dept_id=425690&newsid=14466212&PA G=461&rfi=9_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1091&dept_id=425690&newsid=14466212&PAG=461&rfi=9) part 2 _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1091&dept_id=425690&newsid=14505702&PA G=461&rfi=9_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1091&dept_id=425690&newsid=14505702&PAG=461&rfi=9) for anyone wanting to continue reading beyond these 2 articles, here is the site they are being posted on every Thursday (weekly paper) and from where i continue to post allentown area articles to these boards. i do not write nor do i read most of them. here is the site _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?brd=1091&nav_sec=51401_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?brd=1091&nav_sec=51401) Messenger press division of the princeton packet. linda

The Marriage Act of 1719 was introduced by Col. Jeremiah Basse to the House of Representatives (he was a member during this time, serving from 1716-1721), and was appointed Attorney-General, March 28, 1719, serving greater than 4 years. There was no precedent for - "An Act to prevent Clandestine Marriages" - and nothing similar was found in New York or Pennsylvania. The following is an excerpt from "Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series, Volume XXII, Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey, Marriage Records, 1665-1800" by William Nelson, Paterson NJ 1900, in the chapter or section on "The Early Marriage Laws of New Jersey and the Influences Bearing Upon Their Formation, pp.xcviii-cv, and begins with the following: The Marriage Act of 1719. The origin of this Act does not appear. No petition for it is mentioned in the journals of either branch of the Legislature. It may have been politics of a certain questionable sort, as the law was to the pecuniary interest of the numerous justices of the peace throughout the Province. Perhaps it was designed to correct the growing abuses of the existing system. It shows much care and artificial skill in its drafting--so much so that it remained unchanged on the statute books for three-quarters of a century..." Sect. I of the Act starts out with - "WHEREAS of late Years several Young Persons have been, by the Wicked Practices of evil disposed Persons, and their Confederates, inticed, inveighled and deluded, led away and Clandestinely Married, which has often been to the Ruin of the Parties so Married, as well as the great Grief of their Parents and Relations." The Act goes on to say that no license was to be issued to persons under the age of "One and Twenty Years" without consent of parent or parents, guardian or guardians, etc., and that a 'certificate' had to be issued. Section 2. - "Any Person or Officer that now is, or hereafter shall be appointed by the Governor or Commander in Chief, for the Time being, to give out License of Marriage within this Province, who shall give or issue the same to any Person or Persons contrary to the Directions, true Intent and Meaning of this Act, or any Part thereof, shall forfeit the Sum of Five Hundred Pounds lawful Money of His Majesties Plantations in America, to be Recovered by Action of Debt, with cost of Suit, by the Parent, Guardian of (or Person under whose Care) any Person Married by Virtue of such License, shall be, in the Supream Court within this Province, in which there shall be no Essoyn, Protection or Wager of Law, or any more that one Imparlance...." Further this Act stipulates that the minister or Justice of Peace had to forfeit Two Hundred Pounds similarly - "who shall joyn any Persons together in Marriage not having a License mentioning such Certificate..." Apparently, this act was to protect parents against their children should said children marry without consent of parents. There are 9 parts to this Act. And while I fully intend to transcribe this entire section at a later date, I cannot quote all that is mentioned therein just now. Hope this helps. David Tourison sent this to the list originally- I am just the forwardee. L.

Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Other Speakers in NJ June 11 June 11 -- West Deptford, New Jersey: The Genealogical Society of New Jersey and the Gloucester County Historical Society will co-sponsor an all day Genealogical Conference featuring Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, an entertaining and nationally recognized speaker, in two lectures -- "Find That Obituary! Online Newspaper Research" and "Remembering Our Ancestors". Three other speakers will discuss the methodology to use probate records, 20th Century military records, East & West Jersey Proprietors records, and evaluation of sources -- Charles S. Mason, CGRS, professional genealogist; Joseph Klett, Chief, New Jersey State Archives; Karen Lamberton, genealogical lecturer. The conference will be held at the West Deptford Middle School, with ample parking and easy access from major highways. More information and a registration form, are available on the GSNJ website: www.gsnj.org; direct link to the Conference brochure: www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/events.html. You may email programs@gsnj.org or phone 856-845-7881 for more information or to have a brochure mailed to you. See you there on June 11! ----*----*----*----*----*----*----*----*----*----* -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko GSNJ Trustee http://www.gsnj.org/

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: GENEALOGY CLUB OF LITTLE EGG HARBOR Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:33:41 -0400 From: Robert Longmore <robertlongmoresr@juno.com> To: calendar@thesandpaper.net,community@pressofac.com, famhist@comcast.net,jsilverman@app.com,lredd@app.com, ah@athjm.com,robertlongmoresr@juno.com Contact: Marlene Longmore (robertlongmoresr@juno.com) The Genealogy Club of Little Egg Harbor will be holding their monthly meeting (4th Tuesdays) on May 24, 2005, at 7 P.M., in the Senior Center, 641 Radio Road in Little Egg Harbor. This meeting will consist of a Show and Tell Format. Currently we have members from the following communities: Little Egg Harbor, Long Beach Island, Manahawkin, Tuckerton and West Creek. All beginners and experienced genealogists are welcome. Any questions, please call 609-296-3505 or 609-597-5222.

Thank you Peggy. I thought this little map showing the Point was good. _Click here: NJAS: Guide to Birding Along Raritan Bay_ (http://www.njaudubon.org/Centers/SHBO/RaritanBirding.html) Genie

In a message dated 4/26/2005 2:50:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, SMSSTX@earthlink.net writes: > Does anyone know the approximate location of a place called Conescunk? > It is mentioned in 1690 Monmouth Co. deeds by Richard Stout in which he > gave to some of his children land on Hop River "and meadow, at Conescunk > The Geographic Dictionary of New Jersey (1894) says: Conaskonk; point extending from Raritan Township, Monmouth County, into Raritan Bay. Peggy Rossi

Sharron Here are references for Conescunk, Hop River and Richard Stout that I found thru google: _Click here: Richard Stout c1611-1705_ (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LzyesbghJ_0J:genealogy.patp.us/rdstout.shm+Richard+Stout+++Hop+River&hl=en&ie= UTF-8) _http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:tYQswd8UOXcJ:www.westfield nj.com/whs/history/Counties/MonmouthCounty/coltsneck.htm+Hop+River+%2B+Navesink+valley&hl=en &ie=UTF-8_ (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:tYQswd8UOXcJ:www.westfieldnj.com/whs/history/Counties/MonmouthCounty/coltsneck.htm+Hop+River+++Navesink+val ley&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) Genie

Does anyone know the approximate location of a place called Conescunk? It is mentioned in 1690 Monmouth Co. deeds by Richard Stout in which he gave to some of his children land on Hop River "and meadow, at Conescunk . . ." I can't find Conescunk on any map, nor on any online search engine. Thanks for any help, Sharron Spencer Texas

_http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250336/1004_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250336/1004) this article has some names etc that might interest some of you-johnson, mathis etc. in port republic. just htought it was interesting. was in asbury park press today

Several years ago, a "cousin" lent me a copy of a book/booklet titled the "History of the Township of Millstone, Monmouth County, New Jersey". It is copyrighted 1982 by Jean E. Mount I made some notes, but I'd love to get a full copy for myself. Anyone know where I could get one/buy one? Thanks, Liz

Sorry that's the publication "Historical andGenelogical Miscellany - Data Relating to the Settlement and Settlers of New Your and New Jersey", Volume IV, page 367, by John E. Stillwell. Robin Lawson <robinlawson@rogers.com> wrote: This question has been asked on the Tremaine message board but without satisfaction.