Hi Rick, I'm glad the information was helpful to you. I am researching three Middletown families; Dorns descended from Cornelius Dorn, Chasey's descended from John Chasey, and Smiths descended from (if you can believe this!) John and Mary Smith. The time period I am researching is the late 1600's through about the 1820's. Any information on these families would be much appreciated. Thank you. Susan -----Original Message----- From: CMUGRick@aol.com <CMUGRick@aol.com> To: amicucci@email.msn.com <amicucci@email.msn.com> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Stillwell >The latest Popes found in Stillwell are taken from cemetery inscriptions at >the Dutch Reformed Church Yard in Middletown (vol. 2, p. 298): > >Winfield S. Pope, son of Alfred and Phebe, died Oct 11 1862, age 15 yrs., 6 >mos., 3 days. >Elizabeth, daughter of Alfred and Phebe, died March 27, 1848, aged 2 yrs., 8 >mos., 27 days. >Elizabeth, daughter of Alfred and Phebe, died an infant. > >Thank you Susan >You added two more pieces to the puzzle. I didn't know about Elizabeth at >all. Probably because she died so early and didn't have a death date for >Winfield. Nor did I know about the Dutch Reform Church. Alfred's family were >Quakers. Middletown, is that in Monmouth County? > >I think the family of Alfred and Phebe Antonides in some way connect to my >Andrew Pope but haven't found the connection yet. > >If you tell me who you are looking for, I will be glad to keep my eyes open >for them. > >Rick

Hello Karen, Thanks for the offer on this. Would you be so kind as to look up: Richard Pickard | these two are Carrie Pickard | probably together William Broad Mrs. Elizabeth White Thanks. M Burdick Watertown, MA ... I wonder how many people had phones in 1930...

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:48:20 -0500 Pat Mount <pmount@fnr.umass.edu> writes: > Perine, Margaret, and Henry Dilinghast 1798 Feb. 1 ................... Hi, If any one is interested, (as self appointed Dilatush expert), I have a will that shows that Henry Dilinghast who married Margaret Perrine is Henry Dilatush of Matcheponix (Jamesburg area), Middlesex, also This Old Monmouth of Ours by Horner, has him as Dillentash and indexed as Dillenbach, I believe. I have found the name spelled at least 20 different ways so far, my favorite misspell is Ditalish. :-) But Delatush and later Dilatush are most common. Have lots on Delatush/Dilatush name, I collect everything on them, but still haven't finished sorting out all the Henry's yet. Every family had one it seems. Anita

I searched in the soundex codes one day and came up with this totally incredible number of hits that share a code with Burdge. Don't remember all of them but these are a few from the marriage records. And NO I don't have them in my family tree, database or research!*G* Pat Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey Vol22 , Page 100 Burch, James, Cumberland, and Sidnea Scott 1789 Feb. 3 Burch, Jeremiah, Monmouth, and Jane Young 1768 June 25 Burdg, David, Middletown, and Patience Woolley, Shrewsbury 1746 Nov. 14 Burdg, Jonathan, Middletown, and Mary Morris, Middletown 1746 Nov. 14 Burdg, Richard, Monmouth, and Susannah Wall, Monmouth 1743-4 Mar. 24 Burdg, William, Monmouth, and Joice Hance, Monmouth 1755 Nov. 28 Burdge, David, Monmouth, and Elizabeth Davis, Monmouth 1753 Aug. 22 Burdge, John, Middletown, and Ann Smith, Middletown 1754 Feb. 18 Burdge, Joseph, Monmouth, and Zelpha Gifford, Monmouth 1765 Jan. 21 Burch, Margaret, and Abraham Reeves, Cape May 1769 Nov. 25 Burdge, Hannah, Monmouth, and Joseph Dorset, Monmouth 1771 Jan. 21 Burdge, Lidia, Monmouth, and John Gifford, Monmouth 1767 April 7 : Burge, Deborah, Middletown, and James Pew, Middletown 1741 Jan. 21 Burge, Phebe, Middletown, and Caleb Brown, New York 1752 Oct. 18 Burge, Rejoice, and Francis Harris, Burlington 1774 Oct. 17 Burge, Sarah, Shrewsbury, and Jonathan Conrey, Middletown 1759 May 5

Hi all, I have already been in contact with several of you regarding my research into the Paynton family, but having discovered this list thought I would put my general query out as well. I don't have any specific requests (yet!), but if any of you run across some Payntons in your usual sources, I'd love to hear from you. William Paynton b. 1757 in Looe, England; d. 1846 in Shrewsbury, Monmouth County, New Jersey. m. Mary Drum (unknown dates) Their possible children: Henry Paynton/Painton (unknown dates) m. Ann Bruer John Paynton b. Oct. 15, 1792 d. January 2, 1867 m. Amelia Coffin Catherine Paynton c. August 25, 1794 Isaac Paynton c. August 25, 1794 Nancy Paynton c. August 25, 1794 Obadiah Paynton c. August 25, 1794 Asher Stille Paynton c. July 17, 1801 Samuel Paynton/Painton c. September 10, 1805 m. Mary Snyder Charles Paynton Tobias Paynton (unknown dates) m. Cornelisann Hall Sept. 14, 1820 George Paynton Edmund Allen Paynton b. ? d. April 19, 1838 William had a farm bordering Pine Brook in the Shrewsbury Township. He and his large brood worshipped at Christ Church, where most of these records originate. His son John is the only son whose decendants we can trace down to the present day. _Any_ information on the lives of William's offspring, some of whom began going by "Painton" would be greatly appreciated. I have just a few more details and names of William's grandchildren if anyone interested/needs more information. Thank you all very much. Mary Mary Paynton perky@wolfenet.com ************************************************************************ "Mr. Roberston, your predecessor, an excellent librarian, savaged three people last week and had to be destroyed." -Monty Python. Gorilla Librarian Sketch.

Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey Vol22 , Page 81 Applegate, Benjamin, Middlesex, and Elizabeth Parent, Middlesex 1729 July 18 Applegate, John, Middlesex, and Sarah Pettitt, Middlesex 1736 Oct. 6 Applegate, Ebenezer, Monmouth, and Mary Imlay, Monmouth 1743 July 9 Applegate, James, Middlesex, and Elizabeth Buckalew 1744 Feb. 21 Applegate, Daniel, Monmouth, and Elizabeth Hulet, Monmouth 1745 Jan. 31 Applegate, William, Monmouth, and Hannah Potter, Monmouth 1747 Oct. 28 Applegate, John, Monmouth, and Mary Cotterell, Monmouth 1748 Sept. 27 Applegate, William, Middletown, and Elizabeth Ogborne, Middletown 1758 Mar. 6 Applegate, Ezekiel, Middlesex, and Elizabeth Smock, Middlesex 1760 Oct. 6 Applegate, Jacob, Monmouth, and Catherine Manlees, Monmouth 1763 Aug. 8 Applegate, George, Burlington, and Sarah Fenton, Burlington 1763 Nov. 14 Applegate, Obadiab, Monmouth, and Bethena Vaughn 1772 June 26 Applegate, Samuel, Burlington, and Jane Scroggins 1777 Jan. 20

Anderson, Joshua, Trenton, and Mary Wood, Burlington 1745 Nov. 27 Anderson, Tunis, Monmouth, and Abigail Reid, Monmouth 1746 Dec. 4 Anderson, George, Jr., Somerset, and Matie Van Wickle, Somerset 1748 Nov. 22 Anderson, Elias, Monmouth, and Catherine Chamberlin 1761 Mar. 30 Anderson, James, Cumberland, and Theodosia Elmer 1761 Aug. 1 Anderson, Ezekiel, Hunterdon, and Mary Combs, Middlesex 1761 Nov. 19 Anderson, Andrew, Burlington, and Martha Brock, Burlington 1762 Feb. 1 Anderson, John, Freehold, and Anna Loyd, Middlesex 1763 Mar. 7 Anderson, John, Essex, and Martha Freeman, Middlesex 1763 April 1 Anderson, John, New York, and Mary Stilwell, Middletown 1763 Dec. 16 Anderson, David, Bergen, and Jane Stuart, Bergen 1768 Mar. 5 Anderson, Josiah, Burlington, and Sarah Anderson 1769 Dec. 26 Anderson, Benjamin, Hunterdon, and Ann Bird 1772 Oct. 22 Anderson, John, Monmouth, and Elizabeth Thomson 1773 Mar. 9 Anderson, Andrew, and Phoebe Williamson 1775 Aug. 28 Anderson, James, Burlington, and Elenor Toy 1777 Oct. 17 Anderson, James, Morris, and Hannah Backhover 1779 Jan. 24 Anderson, John, Hunterdon, and Rebeccah Vannoy 1779 Mar. 30 Anderson, Simon, Somerset, and Mary Van Hauglin 1781 Oct. 11 Anderson, Thomas, Sussex, and Esther Hughes 1781 Nov. 13 Anderson, David, Burlington, and Emelia Briggs 1783 Sept. 5 Anderson, Jacob, Hunterdon, and Catherine Hunt 1785 Feb. 25 Anderson, Thomas, Sussex, and Hannah Ewen 1786 Mar. 19 Anderson, Aaron, Burlington, and Elizabeth Williamson 1786 July 24 Anderson, David, Bergen, and Ruth Weed 1786 Dec. 20 Anderson, Joseph, Hunterdon, and Elizabeth Stevenson 1787 Feb. 10 Anderson, Andrew, Burlington, and Patience Stockton 1791 April 9 Anderson, John, Bergen, and Catherine Zabrisky 1792 Feb. 23

Perine, Margaret, and Henry Dilinghast 1798 Feb. 1 Perine, Peter, and Hannah Dye 1800 April 2 Perine, Sarah, and John Rue 1800 Dec. 28 Perrine, Catharine, and Samuel Perrine 1798 Jan. 24 Perrine, Hannah, and Robert Mershon 1795 Mar. 18 Perrine, John, and Elizabeth Riggs 1799 Oct. 2 Perrine, Lydin, and Alexander Snediker 1799 Jan. 9 Perrine, Margaret, and James Cook 1800 Sept. 18 Perrine, Martha, and Isaac Dye 1794 Feb. 26 Perrine, Rebecca, and John Monnt 1796 Dec. 28 Perrine, Peter, and Anne Duncan 1799 Jan. 9 Perrine, Samuel, and Catherine Perrine 1798 Jan. 24 Pullen, Francis, and Euphemia Breese 1799 Jan. 31 Pullen, John, and Catherine Breese 1799 Jan. 31 Pullen, Lydia, and Jacob Blakely 1800 Feb. 16

Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey Vol22 , Page 436 Reynolds, Elizabeth, and Napthali Streeter 1798 Feb. 18 Reynolds, John, and Anne Cole 1800 Dec. 17 Reynolds, Lucia, and William Bouden 1797 Jan. 1 Page 274 Reynolds, Ann, Monmouth, and Francis Mount, Monmouth 1758 Jan. 4 Reynolds, Ann, Burlington, and William Ireton, Burlington 1764 Oct. 1 Reynolds, Margaret, and Joseph Davis, Bucks 1737 Mar. 31 Reynolds, Margaret, Burlington, and John Bispham, Burlington 1754 Sept. 16 Reynolds, Mary, and Jacob Mattson, Gloucester 1733 Jan. 20 Reynolds, Mary, and John West, Burlington 1759 July 19 Reynolds, Mary, Gloucester, and Nathan Beys, Jr., Gloucester 1763 Oct. 17 Reynolds, Mary, Middlesex, and Archibald Cunningham, Philadelphia 1771 Sept. 18 Reynolds, Rachel, Gloucester, and Zachariah Shaw, Gloucester 1762 Mar. 1 Reynolds, Uphamea, and William Holman, Monmouth 1761 Sept. 14

Nita Pearce wrote: > > Wayne Sturgis: > > You might find your Reynolds on this web site. > Nita Pearce > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/njmarriage.htm > > Some day, but not just yet.... The volumes A B C etc are arranged in alphabetical order of the groom's surname, I think, and L is about where it stands. -- joe

Wayne Sturgis: You might find your Reynolds on this web site. Nita Pearce http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/njmarriage.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: The Reynolds' <sacafrat@dtgnet.com> To: <NJMONMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: [NJMONMOU] Marriages > MONMOU'S = Can anyone out there help me to > find the marriages for Reynolds in N.J. as listed > in Document Relating to the Colonial History > of the State of N.J. > I noticed some one provided that type info on > the Morris family line > I am trying to establish record of my GGG > grandfathers actual existence.Father of William > Reynolds. William married to Mary Anderson, of NJ, > in IN. 1837. Wm. likely born early 1800's . Name > of parents believed to be David and Nancy Jackson > Reynolds. > > Subj. 2 = I have some old books with bio sketchs of > some early residents of Dakota Territory in the part > of South Dakota called West River. Mainly the Co.s > of Dewey, Corson, Stanley and Ziebach. Have access to > another book of early residents of Meade Co. Also > have some original correspondences from two local > banks in Meade Co. and some from Fort Meade re. > day to day stuff of local residents 1870 to 1920. Some > minimal stuff re. 7th Cavalry, including a letter signed > by Robert Todd Lincoln assuring payment of a debt > owed by a 7th Cavalry member. > Any of this helpful to any of you we would be glad to > share. > Wayne Sturgis, S.D. > > > >

Hi Wayne, I have some of the marriages for Reynolds, N.J. listed on my web site: http://www.new-hope.net/whitesville/Marriage.htm Gary Phillips www.new-hope.net/whitesville White, Reynolds. Grover, Estelle, West, Patterson, Miller -----Original Message----- From: The Reynolds' <sacafrat@dtgnet.com> To: NJMONMOU-L@rootsweb.com <NJMONMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: [NJMONMOU] Marriages >MONMOU'S = Can anyone out there help me to >find the marriages for Reynolds in N.J. as listed >in Document Relating to the Colonial History >of the State of N.J. >I noticed some one provided that type info on >the Morris family line >I am trying to establish record of my GGG >grandfathers actual existence.Father of William >Reynolds. William married to Mary Anderson, of NJ, >in IN. 1837. Wm. likely born early 1800's . Name >of parents believed to be David and Nancy Jackson >Reynolds. > >Subj. 2 = I have some old books with bio sketchs of >some early residents of Dakota Territory in the part >of South Dakota called West River. Mainly the Co.s >of Dewey, Corson, Stanley and Ziebach. Have access to >another book of early residents of Meade Co. Also >have some original correspondences from two local >banks in Meade Co. and some from Fort Meade re. >day to day stuff of local residents 1870 to 1920. Some >minimal stuff re. 7th Cavalry, including a letter signed >by Robert Todd Lincoln assuring payment of a debt >owed by a 7th Cavalry member. >Any of this helpful to any of you we would be glad to >share. > Wayne Sturgis, S.D. > > > >

MONMOU'S = Can anyone out there help me to find the marriages for Reynolds in N.J. as listed in Document Relating to the Colonial History of the State of N.J. I noticed some one provided that type info on the Morris family line I am trying to establish record of my GGG grandfathers actual existence.Father of William Reynolds. William married to Mary Anderson, of NJ, in IN. 1837. Wm. likely born early 1800's . Name of parents believed to be David and Nancy Jackson Reynolds. Subj. 2 = I have some old books with bio sketchs of some early residents of Dakota Territory in the part of South Dakota called West River. Mainly the Co.s of Dewey, Corson, Stanley and Ziebach. Have access to another book of early residents of Meade Co. Also have some original correspondences from two local banks in Meade Co. and some from Fort Meade re. day to day stuff of local residents 1870 to 1920. Some minimal stuff re. 7th Cavalry, including a letter signed by Robert Todd Lincoln assuring payment of a debt owed by a 7th Cavalry member. Any of this helpful to any of you we would be glad to share. Wayne Sturgis, S.D.

Clair, Thanks for the information and the website. I did search the retirement records which are on-line but came up empty. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any of the NJ census records. Barb (I think from this list) was kind enough to check out the 1920 census while she was at the National Archives the other day. However, now that Anita has found the records are now on CD, I may have to make some purchases! Thanks to everyone on the list for your help. I now have some idea of which railroads to search. Once again, you've come through! Sharon OHIO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:53 PM >Subject: Re: Copyright Laws are widely misunderstood by genealogists How about reposting this message to COPYRIGHT-L@rootsweb.com ? I disagree with parts of it, but I don't want to clutter this county list with copyright discussion. Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@global2000.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Copyright Laws are widely misunderstood by genealogists > When I wrote to the list two days ago (Wednesday) about copyrights and the 1991 US Supreme Court decision, the message became too long to include further comment. At the time, I was only addressing the subject of the law and genealogists' rights, not genealogists' responsibilities to each other in spite of the law. > > The Court case involved a telephone company that tried to protect its telephone book of customer names, addresses and telephone numbers from being completely copied by another company. The second company published its own book and competed with the original company for yellow pages advertisers. The first company claimed that the new company should have to go door-to-door to get the information for themselves. The Court said that the second company had the right to copy all of the data that the original company had collected. The Court reaffirmed the importance to society of factual information being available to all parties. The country can only advance by building on what has been learned before, rather than everyone being required to do the original work for themselves. There would no time left for advancements to occur if we had to start at the beginning every time. > > The application of this court case to genealogy, as I see it, is that we can copy as much data from a website as we wish, including an entire database. When we visit a website, the website owner's copyright does not extend to the factual information such as the baptism, birth, marriage and death dates and places, or the names of the people involved. Only creative additions such as colors, backgrounds, fonts, bolded versus normal, choice of coding perhaps, and some other things would be protected by copyright. That means that on our personal computer, the data may NOT have the same look as it did on the website. However, when we do a copy and paste of the website records, the cut and paste procedure automatically eliminates all of the copyrighted features that I mentioned, so what we get is the raw, uncopyrighted data. > > We don't have the right to copy commentaries or stories. They would be copyright protected because they are creative efforts, although the facts in the commentary or story can be extracted (facts can't be copyrighted). If the records are arranged in some unusual manner, a copyright might extend to that unusual arrangement. Alphabetical or chronological arrangements in columns, tables, or in a paragraph form would not be unusual. Last name first would not be unusual. No matter how they are arranged on the website, the records themselves cannot be copyrighted. If they could have been, LDS probably would have done it long ago when they copied so many of the church record books which we so gratefully use on microfilm today. > > I believe that copying data from a website is legal. I have no idea about whether or not it is legal to repost it on a different website. Whether it is legal or it isn't, I feel certain that the vast majority of us are totally against anyone pirating another person's data to post on their own website without permission. And to pass it off as their own work would make the offense morally irresponsible, as Lorine has already pointed out. > > Because of the existence of links from one website to another, it should be completely unnecessary for a person to take data from another person's site to post on their own site. Such links allow a person to be creative in the selection of what subjects and titles they would like to see on their own website without having the actual data present. > > The really important thing about a link is that the person who did the work gets the credit for the weeks, months, perhaps years of effort that they expended. Nobody should try to take away from them the recognition that they deserve. If complete databases are lifted and then reposted elsewhere, we will lose talented, good-hearted people like Lorine from our midst. > > How genealogists act as a group will determine what website opportunities we have in the future. > > Cliff > > ______________________________

Linda, Thanks for the response. Earlier you gave me the address for John Jr, unfortunately I've not had any time to sit down and write yet, hopefully that will be soon. However, I do have another question. Do you know if any of his family might be doing research as well? Yesterday while searching the Wall of Honor at Ellis Island, I found the name Dominick Caliendo, along with several others. Thanks Sharon, OH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Hi Sharon, Unless you think you will have more use for the CD don't buy it. If you can wait about 2 weeks I can probably check the 1900 for you. Just came down with a cold and won't be doing much running next week. Let me know. Claire in Howell, NJ

Hi, From Monmouth Co. in 1920 that would probably Central R.R of NJ--defunct. If you have some fairly definite info you might try this---http://www.rrb.gov/ That's the railroad retirement board. Have you tried the 1900 census --she would probably have been listed with her parents. Not sure of town? Use the Soundex for Lista. You would have to go thru a lot of other names in that code if you don't know father's first name. Claire in Howell, NJ

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/monfiles.htm Manalapan and Matawan townships are now on-line.... A large round of "virtual applause" goes to Maggie Redden for transcribing and contibuting the data; Joyce Soden Brown for adding essential info to make the files codeable in the census projects; and Jeri Shangle, the archives state coordinator and census contact for rearranging data to the census format..... A lot of bytes have gone back and forth to make this happen..... Hope you all enjoy.... more on the way. -- joe