Know all Men By these Presents that We Samuel Ogborne/Osborne And Anne Ogborne Wife of Said Samuel Ogborne and Daughter of Gisebert Van brocle Deceaft Bothe of the township of Middletown and County of Monmouth and Colliny of New Jersey are held and firmly Bound Unto Steven Van brockle and James Mott Executers of Gifebert Van brockle Deceaft * * * Dated this fifth Day of May In the Sixth Year of his majesties Reign And In the Year of Ower lord * * * * * 1766 *** Signed Sealed and Delivered: In Prefens of: JONATHAN PEAIRS RACHEL PEAIRS SAMUEL OGBORNE...? osborne/osbourn/ozborne Anna OGBORNE ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

anyone have any knowledge of or connections with this Pears, Peairs, Pearse, Pearce, Pierce family???? thanks!!! Perth Amboy (Book E, #2, p56) records the "sale from Robert Letts Hooper, of the county of Somerset, Gent, to George Warne, of Perth Amboy, yeoman, a tract of land at Cranberry Brook. Beginning at a maple sapling standing on the North Side of Cranberry Brook marked on four sides and stands by the mouth of a run water that comes from Lewis Pears plantation and emptyes into the said Cranberry Brook, thence N5 degrees E 67 1/2 chains to the land of James Layton, thence W. N. W. 45 chains and 3 rods, thence S. W. 60 chains more or less along the markt line to Cranberry Brook, thence up the stream thereof to where it first began. Lying to contain 310 acres." Dated 2/22/1736. Lewis Pears, d5/15/1728, was of Annwell/ Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co. All from Will Abstracts - Washington Co., Pa. page 2 PEARCE, JAMES Yogohania Co., VA. (page 6) DATED: 15 Feb. 1778 PROBATED: 25 March 1778 WIT: James Wall; Joseph Warne; Walter Wall BENE: WIFE: Sarah; SONS: Andrew Pearce; Lewis Pearce, James Pearce, Stephen Pearce, Jonathan Pearce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 6/10/2000 7:01:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJMONMOU-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ll from Will Abstracts - Washington Co., Pa. page 2 > PEARCE, JAMES Yogohania Co., VA. (page 6) > DATED: 15 Feb. 1778 PROBATED: 25 March 1778 > WIT: James Wall; Joseph Warne; Walter Wall > BENE: WIFE: Sarah; SONS: Andrew Pearce; Lewis Pearce, James Pearce, > Stephen Pearce, Jonathan Pearce > I am very interested in this family. I have an Elizabeth Pearce, d/o Jeremiah & Deborah (Brewer) Pearce b. abt 1756 in Monmouth County, NJ who is my third great grandmother. Let us talk some more. Jackie, once a Jersybel >

> has anyone been able to find out when this program is on our local > (Monmouth Co) PBS station? Ancestors" television schedule for broadcast areas in the US can be found at http://www.kbyu.org/ancestorsbroadcast/ Unfortunately I discovered this and hour too late tonight, just after one episode aired in Philadelphia at 7:25 PM Friday 6/9/00 Anita

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nj/ocfiles.htm Whitelawn Cemetery, Point Pleasant, Ocean County Lots of old Monmouth names. -- joe

has anyone been able to find out when this program is on our local (Monmouth Co) PBS station? Yvonne

My husband, Mark, is critically ill and has been transferred to the UMASS Medical Center in Worchester, MA. As this is over an hour drive one way for me, I will be mostly unavailable. I'll try to check on the lists as I can but coverage will be spotty. If you are having trouble unsubscribing PLEASE go to Rootsweb and get the directions! If you are waiting for a response to a lookup request, a general question, etc. there will be no answer anytime soon. Thank you for your understanding. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Pat Mount

Hi there Corrine, Thank you for info on MCKean family. Did not know that! So glad to have seen you on our way home. Jackie

We discovered recently while trying to pinpoint any Ivins connection to our Wrights (unsucessful) that one of the Ivins' went to Salt Lake City via California obviously by boat. Also, as in our case, not all went west some came east to the Jersey Shore for work around 1885. Ocean Grove Camp Meeting was getting into swing at that time and all of those houses in Asbury, Ocean Grove, Bradley Beach, Avon, etc. had to be built. If one of your ancestors was a tradesman, check this out. We found a member of Company D, 23rd Regiment, Civil War from Wrightstown buried in Mt. Prospect Cemetery in Neptune.

Hi, Would be glad to do so. Do you want digital or film? Anything else nearby? The Bangs avenue school? Reply to me directly at katmandu@compuserve.com Terry

HI, Would be glad to do so. I pass Asbury Every day. . Anything else in that area , the Bangs avenue school ? Let me know directly. Terry katmandu@compuserve.com

Marie wrote: > Washington McKeon was the husband of Margaret Ivins, the daughter of Anthony W. >Ivins. Theodore was their son. Almost every record we pull up from the LDS site was >submitted by Anthony W. Ivins. He was quite high up in the Mormon church. Yes, Anthony W. Ivins' name is on a lot of the family group sheets found in the patron file which I spoke of in my last post, for some of my old Quaker lines from Burlington Co. too. (My Black line, which we have discussed before, Marie, and others) The family organization which used his name was extremely active and did an incredible amount of early research in the related families, back I think in the 1920's. There were also early Mormon church members in Cream Ridge (Upper Freehold) area too from the Ivins family who went west, Rachel Ivins for one, whose son Heber J. Grant became a church leader. I didn't know that when I joined the church about a hundred years later, while living in the same area (Cream Ridge, I was actually in nearby Walnford). Nor did I know I would end up finding distant relationships to these early members in my extended Black family line. It is interesting. I went to high school with Ivins and Grants at Allentown High School. So if some members of your family disappear in the mid 1800s, maybe they went west in the Mormon exodus too - Kirkland, Ohio> Missouri (several locations),>Nauvoo, Illinois> Salt Lake City Utah was the path, depending on the year they went. Anita

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to take a picture of 515 Bangs Avenue in Asbury Park. I am in FLorida now, but I just found out my grandmother was born there. Thank You Kathy Tynan

Corinne and others The PAGE family fits into this discussion as follows. Theodore McKEAN married Mary Page GULLICK in Toms River ca 1847.(not sure an exact date) It appears that the family moved to Salt Lake City, UT sometime after 1855. They must have been closley related to the Ivins since alot the the childrens middle names are either Ivins or Gullick -Mary Page GULLICK was the daugter of Stephen GULLICK and Deborah Holmes PAGE. Deborah is buried in the Riverside Cem.(d. 22 Feb 1867) in Ocean County. -I am not sure where the HOLMES name fits into all of this line?? but would be interested to hear any suggestions. -Deborah was the daughter of Timothy PAGE and Mary COWARD - both of the Toms River area, and granddaughter of Joseph Page Sr.of Upper Freehold, Monouth County, NJ - the common ancestor for this PAGE line. I received alot of this info regarding the McKeans/Gullicks from a Jan Gullick (so I have to give her alot of credit) I have alot more on the Page line if anyone is intersted or would like that info, just contact me. Mathew Page mapage@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMLILL@aol.com> To: <NJMONMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [NJMONMOU] Re: To Matthew Page > I think you will find that the McKeans lived in Toms River > in the mid 1800's. The entire family became Mormons > & moved to Utah along with the Ivins & others. Washington > McKean & Theodore went too. > > Corinne >

Washington McKeon was the husband of Margaret Ivins, the daughter of Anthony W. Ivins. Theodore was their son. Almost every record we pull up from the LDS site was submitted by Anthony W. Ivins. He was quite high up in the Mormon church.

I think you will find that the McKeans lived in Toms River in the mid 1800's. The entire family became Mormons & moved to Utah along with the Ivins & others. Washington McKean & Theodore went too. Corinne

I have come across McKean as the submitter too on my Brown line interests of early 1700's in Monmouth County. Let me know what lines you are working on. Can never tell, we may be working on the same ones...grin! jackie in MA once a Jersybel

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:07:53 -0500 "Mathew A. Page" <MAPAGE@prodigy.net> writes: > Since were on this subject...how does the IGI records that are on film work? > Do the films also contain the source information from the submitter and the >relationship?............. and other responses Mathew and others, In earlier years, say pre 1970, information was submitted to the IGI on family group sheets and they were sent in by individuals but often they were sent in by large family organizations who pooled resources and had a designated "family representative", who became listed as the "relative." This was to try and avoid duplication of submissions by many people descended from the same person. Usually they submitted only linked family group sheets, but sometimes they would submit all of a family name in the area where their family lived, as chances were great that they were related, especially if the name was uncommon. If a relationship was known, such as gggdau, it was usually put in if it was sent in by an individual not an family organization, the family organization always said "relative". Later (in the 1970's?) the submission process was changed to an individual entry or marriage entry form. These are the ones that are listed by batch numbers, and contain the name and address and phone # of the person who sumbitted it and usually a relationship to the individual. But sometimes in this time period too individuals would submitt everyone from an area with their surname, or do their own extraction of a book, like Monmouth co marriages or something, although it was not encouraged. Some of you may have ordered these films into your FHC, you may hit a gold mine ( I got a disk from a relative with info taking my VanWickle line and extensions back to 1500s in Holland, but often I have found nothing, it is a chance you take, addresses are often old, so are the submitters sometimes :-) In the 1990's the process was changed to computer disk submission. Information on who submitted it is not available for retrieval on these submissions. (about 1993 to the present) Since it appears you have an early submission, and the film number you listed will not help you as it will contain only what is there all ready, you could try to order in to your Family History Center film #0420848, (Family Group Record Collection, Patrons Sheets 1921-1962, Oyen, K - Parson, W. ) note this is only this small section of the ABC list) I can't guarantee that the sheets that your Pages were submitted on will be there, but it is a possibility. The sheets should have a small section on the bottom right corner for sources, which lists sources for the entire sheet, but not specific as to where each bit on info came from as would be nice. Sometimes they weren't filled in at all, or said something like "family records" :-) I don't know when your sheets were submitted, there are several different collections of submissions for different years I have given you the ones for 1921-1962. They weren't always strictly ABC, an addendum is at the end of the filmings I understand for ones missed and the backs which may have info that was missed. If you went to Salt Lake you could look at the bound books of these. To find them in the catalog go to place (locality) >Salt Lake City, Utah> Archives and Libraries,(since they are housed in Salt Lake City, I know it seems a little strange, I only found out resently how to find them myself) then there were several choices which began "Archives and Libraries..." and to be honest I can't remember which I selected at that point. Your best bet for research would be to check out the Family History Library Catalog and see what films are available of records of churches and county etc. for the locality that your family lived and do your own research. It is on line at familysearch.org (go to browse categories > libraries> Family history library catalog> then to place or maybe all searches then place, can't remember.) I find the online version slow and annoying and rarely use it and prefer the CD version at the Family History Centers, and it is coming out right now (I have not received mine in the mail yet, but some people have) on CD for home use, in a windows form which is different than either the online or the FHC CD versions, but has the same information only more up to date. It will be available to anyone for $5.00. This is the first addition of this version and they will be adding more features soon, I understand. Read this as information only not as an advertisement, you know at $5.00 they aren't turning a profit. Includes postage and no tax, unless maybe you are in Utah. You can order at the site. It catalogs over 2 million films and microfiche which can be ordered into a Family History Center or viewed in Salt Lake City. Hope this helps some and that I haven't muddied things more. To answer some of the other responses and dispell myths, this is how I see it: 1) The IGI is not strictly submitted by members, but the vast majority of it is. I am a director of a family history center, and we have had nonmembers who request that their data be submitted so that it will appear in the IGI, but this is rare. In this case it would still say submitted by a member I beleive. In the past many nonmembers have submitted to the Ancestral File just to have the exposure of having their research and address available, but not as many are submitting now that there are so many places other places on the internet to post the information. A choice when submitting to the ancestral file is "do you want it submitted to the IGI also?" 2) When an entry is "extracted" from an original source (and I have done some of this extraction) the information is taken from a single entry, say a birth or marriage entry in a vital statistic record, and not combined with any other information, so that little bit is correct*, it is triple checked before submission. *However mistakes and misinterpretations do occur, due to legibility. Information on people by the same name is not combined. When I did it we were working from paper copies of the film frames, sometimes extractors work directly from the films. If you find an extraction you can put in the film number into the catalog at the FHCs and on line and I am assuming on the new home CD version, but i have not used it yet, and it will tell you what is contained on that film that the record was extracted from (ie births Monmouth co. 1848-1868) then you could order that film and check the entry yourself. 3) Not all films at the Family History Library in Salt Lake have been extracted. Only certain films have been selected for extraction, those with the pertinent information, ie name, date, parents and place of the event, only some qualify. It takes many volunteer man hours to extract even one film. There are 250 microfilmers around the world filming records and the catalog is updated periodically to reflect this new information. So if information on your family isn't in the IGI or Ancestral File it does not mean that there are not records at the LDS FHC's (Family History Centers) for you to order in the films and to dig out your family, quite the contrary. Sorry this is so long, Anita

der@redrose.net wrote: >... the IGI is only for LDS Church members. In rare instances, > non-members are allowed to submit. Only the Ancestral File is for church and non-church > members alike. Sorry, in my haste and frustration with these sources I mixed the function and reference to them. As you state the Ancestral file is the one with submitted family info which is error prone. Jeff Owens

Since were on this subject...how does the IGI records that are on film work. Do the films also contain the source information from the submitter and the relationship? For example, In researching my PAGE ancestry from Monmouth/Burlington Counties...it appears that a relative Theodore McKean submitted a great deal of information to the IGI, however, we have Not been able to determine how he considered himseld a relative??? to many of them that he submitted. For example in this records for birth it doesnt list parents...but Theodore is listed as a relative I have wondered if he just put his name on all of the Page records he could find?? Adam PAGE Sex: M Event(s): Birth: 1748 Of Freehold, Monmouth, New Jersey Parents: Relatives: Theodore MCKEAN Source Information: Film Number: 183496, Page Number: 575, Reference Number: 21081 Any thoughts Mathew ----- Original Message ----- From: JEFFREY OWENS <owensj@epix.net> To: <NJMONMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: [NJMONMOU] IGI and Data Reliability > der@redrose.net wrote: > > > Donna wrote: > > > >.... I am not certain, but the IGI, usually a bit more reliable than > > > the Ancestral File.... > > > > > > Donna, > > > Whether the IGI is more reliable depends on how the info was put into the > > > index. There are two main ways, either by extraction, where volunteers > > > extract all info from an original source, such as a film of birth > > > records in NJ Vital Statistics, or a person compiles information from > > > many sources, and then sends in the information. So it can be very > > > reliable or subject to the skill of the submitter depending on which way > > > it was sumbitted.. The Ancestral File is of course all compiled and > > > about as reliable/unreliable as other compiled pedigrees on the internet. > > > > Yes, I am aware of that, as I have many LDS friends. What many > > people don't know, however, is that the people who send in that > > information (for the IGI) do have to prove it. At any LDS Family History > > Center, one may obtain "Request for Photocopies" forms which pertain > > to the IGI. Where any source is given as a Batch number, one can send > > for that photocopy. I recently did that, and received the photocopies > > from the submitter. In every case, the source was a church record. > > This was statistically probable, because a lot of the material was > submitted by LDS members about their own families. However, anyone can > submit material to the IGI regardless of religion or church > affiliation. Being labeled "church record" is not an indication of > accuracy per se. > > The IGI is rife with errors. There have been varying standards of proof > for the submittals to IGI. This is also true for other of the large > bodies of ancestral files, such as DAR. "Church Records" can be simply > the family information from research of members. All subject to the > same suppositions and errors made in any research. The IGI should > occupy a position below the 50th percentile in any list of potential > sources and their reliability. > > Use the IGI as a starting point, but verify everything against original > documents. And this includes the so called 'extractions' from originals > which might be correct, but applied to the wrong individual. Such as a > birth record for a child named John being associated with another John > with the same surname, but not the correct person. > > The verification of 'original' sources may seem time consuming or > redundant, but if you spend time chasing up the wrong tree, you will > come to learn why assumptions about the research of others can be time > wasting. Erroneous connections have a way of self perpetuation. Once > someone puts a wrong connection in a database such as IGI, or a web > published family group, then it spreads like a computer virus. Later, > when the real information is set forth, extinguishing the false data is > near impossible. If one does not verify what's collected, then you > become part of the problem. > > Jeff Owens >