my ancestor [Nathaniel KIRBY] died intestate 1833, Monmouth co, NJ. based on my research to date, I've made the presumption that he died 'unexpectedly' as those who were ill had drawn up wills in one fashion or another. from wills & deed we know his grandfather was a carpenter; from a story about his widow removing to Illinois, she dreamed her sons would have a chance to be anything other than fishermen, out on the prairies. so, I'm beginning to wonder if my ancestor was a fisherman, hence his unforseen death [all sorts of potential scenarios pop in mind]. the author of the story mentioned, having lived in IL, spoke of her ancestor being from the 'coast' though I don't think of Upper Freehold twp as being a 'coastal town' per se. my question: is there any way to know/places to look? nothing from his inventory leads us to any sort of profession... what were common professions in 1833? how early did such a thing as a city directory exist [assuming it had more to do with telephones than anything]? will records be found as to taxation or anything else like that for the time period? I'm aware of 'colonial' papers & records; there are fabulous maps that help place people in the area later on [i.e., 1851 Lightfoot]. my missing time period --1790-1840--coincides with the census records that no longer exist [& other helpful things]. I'm looking for new rocks to turn over so I can grub for the worms I might find there. so far it is this method that has found the info I have to date, so it's not a 'bad' method, but I don't always know the best places to look for the rocks, from here in NC. thanks as always, to some great lists! ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ kirbz@netmcr.com Kirby Heard in NC/US searching LUNAN and ANDERSON in SCT; JONES, MELL and HEARD in GA; KIRBY, GASTON and BRITTON in NJ

Hi Kevin & Rika - From researching my Gillin/Gillen ancestors in North Brunswick, NJ (George & Bridget Gillin/Gillen), I have some info which may or may not interest you. In a very old Catholic newspaper (of which I have a copy) the author listed a number of names of Irish immigrants (second colony) from Ulster (County Donegal) new to settling in New Brunswick, NJ. Obviously, the name Gillen proved very interesting and informative. This was the 1816 group. Among the others listed was Hagerty. "Included in this colony were the McDede, McConlough, MacGrady, McShane, Gillen, Campbell, Hagerty, Kelly, DeVinne, Murphy, Butler and Hason families. The two parts of the colony together numbered not more than fifty persons, the first having arrived in 1814. These immigrants together formed the original stock of the present-day Catholic population..." I'm wondering if your Hagerty might have been in the above second group of the colony as was my George?? Great grandfather George W. Gillen (He and I have the same initials), son of original George, sold the family Gillen home in North Brunswick to a John Haggerty in 1854. In the 1830 census while the City of New Brunswick and Franklin Township were temporarily in adjoining Somerset County, the census lists Patrick Hagerty as the 12th entry on the page and Bridget Gallan as the sixth entry on the same page.. It seems fairly obvious the immigrants lived near each other and probably some were close friends. The Bridget Gallan family fits the George a nd Bridget family perfectly. I think it is a go! Original George died in February 1829 at age 36. Let me know if any of this jibes with any of your info. Gil Gillen Palo Cedro, California.

Would anyone else be researching the Haggerty family of New Brunswick ? I have Eliza Haggerty marrying Henry McSpaden about 1850. In the 1855 NB Directory Michael and James are listed. There is a Michael Hagerty who arrived in NY from Londonderry in June of 1811 . Any connections ? Take care and mahalo , Kevin

> I need to resource original documents such as deeds, etc and would like to ask if anyone could advise me to where I could find an Archive's or Historical Society which have such holdings for Perth Amboy? Cheryl, Try the Family History Centers at some Mormon churches (look under Family History Centers at http://www.FamilySearch.org to find nearest ones. They have an incredible amount of films of records from all over the world. The catalog is on line, but I find it difficult to use on line, not being able to find things that I know are in there when I use the one at the FHC. So I would recommend going there to check it out. You would look under the county the city is in. Films can be ordered in for about $3.25 - $3.50 for a bout a months rental can be extended for longer if needed. Anita

I want to thank all the kind people who answered my inquiry about William Stryker's book. I now have another problem that I hope someone can help me with. What is the difference between the Court of Oyer and Terminer and the Court of Quarter Sessions? Is one for criminal cases and the other for petty demeanors or something like that? I have found 2 possible ancestors recorded in the Minutes of the Council of Safety which had to do with Loyalists who refused to take the Oath of Abjuration and Allegiance (to the Americans) in the Revolutionary War. The one who refused to take the oath had to appear at the Court of Quarter Sessions and another one (both women) had to appear at the court of Oyer and Terminer but it didn't say what her "crime" was. Was it perhaps more serious than refusing to take an oath. Both courts were in Middlesex Co. by the way. I sure hope someone can answer this. Sandra in Switzerland

Cheryl Taney-Sandstrom wrote: > > Dear Lister's > > I need to resource original documents such as deeds, etc and would like to > ask if anyone could advise me to where I could find an Archive's or > Historical Society which have such holdings for Perth Amboy? > > Thank you in advance for you time, > > Cheryl Was the NJ State Archives unable to assist you? -- Michelle Tucker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ukraine WorldGenWeb - Ivano-Frankivs'ka Oblast: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/ivano/index.html OKGenWeb County Coordinator: Cherokee Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchero2/index.htm OKGenWeb Archives: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html Sequoyah Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/sequoyah/sequoyah.html Michelle's Home Page: http://members.home.net/famhist/shell.htm Countiss Connections: http://members.home.net/famhist/countiss.htm Woodbridge, NJ Amateur Radio Club http://members.home.net/famhist/k2odp/

Dear Lister's I need to resource original documents such as deeds, etc and would like to ask if anyone could advise me to where I could find an Archive's or Historical Society which have such holdings for Perth Amboy? Thank you in advance for you time, Cheryl

Hi Sandra, Currently living in Kentucky for the past 20 years, but spent my first 31 years growing-up in New Jersey. I found my g,g,g-grandfather in "Official Register of the Officers and Men of New Jersey in the Revolutionary War" by Stuyker (Dewey Decimal #974.9). At the time, 22 years ago (gasp!) it was at the Hackensack Library in Hackensack, New Jersey. The information in the book allowed me to obtain a copy of my ancestor's pension records from the National Archives. I can't help as to whether it listed Loyalists - I'm just impressed with myself for keeping such detailed notes :-) Good luck in your search. John Cresseveur - KY Looking for Till family in Middlesex during late 1700's. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Naehrig <snaehrig@magnet.ch> To: <NJMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:30 AM Subject: [NJMIDDLE] Stryker's Men and Officers I need some help with a book. I have written down two titles and don't know if they are the same book, possibly two different editions or if they are two different books. Can someone please help me? I have "Manual of the Men and Officers of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by William Stryker and Official Register of the Officers and Men of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by Wm. Stryker. Does Stryker only list Patriots or are Loyalists included too? Thanks for any explanation. Sandra

Hi Jim, I have never seen a Munday that came out of NJ. during the 1700 that wasn't a descendant of the original Nicholas Munday who came to Am. shortly after 1668. Have you subscribe to the Munday list at rootsweb? They may be able to help you. So many over on the list are from this NJ. line. My Jonathan and Joseph Mundays were great grandsons of Nicholas Munday Sr. and brothers. I stopped working on the Am Mundays when Jonathan and Joseph, plus Nathaniel and Stephen Munday left Am. in 1783/4. Abner and Nicholas Munday Jr. somehow escaped the hangman and Abner appears to have gone West. I took a very keen interest in possibly three brothers William who had a son Lewis. Lewis is the first son of my loyalist, Jonathan's line and a very unusual name in the early Munday families. Now this Lewis Mundy lived in NY. which is the same area that Jonathan was for a short while before going to Canada. Lewis's Father was William , and William had two brothers, and possibly a third. One brother was Henry Munday of Lyons, NY., a hat maker, one brother was possibly Freeman Mundy, and the third brother was a James Mundy who had a livery stable in Cincinnati. Do not know which state this Cincinnati was in. If you feel this might be your line look for the book "Nicholas Munday and Descendants" by Rev. Ezra Mundy. If this is your line William was born Jan 31, 1781 and Henry born June 17, 1783 . They were the sons of Samuel Mundy born Oct 2, 1755 and his wife Elizabeth Barron Mundy. All were born in Middlesex Co, NJ. Dulcie. -----Original Message----- From: jim weaver [mailto:weavinlow@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:14 PM To: dulciana phillips Subject: Re: [NJMIDDLE] Stryker's Men and Officers Hi Dulci Ana I saw your post to Sandra, I also have a line of ancestors named Munday (Monday). James Munday was my 4th great grandfather. He was born in New Jersey in about 1789. He and his wife Elizabeth moved to Clermont Co. Ohio in about 1819. I believe he moved there from Middlesex Co. NJ, since most of his neighbors were from Middlesex Co., but I am not 100% sure of this. This is just about all that I know about this family before they moved to Clermont Co. Do you think my Munday family could connect to your line. Jim Weaver Cincinnati, Ohio

Did your Mary Mundy daughter of Benajah Munday marry Enos Mundy son of Ephraim Mundy? They had a son Enos Mundy born Jan 27, 1827 probably in the Metuchen area of NJ. Do you happen to have any dates here. There are so many Mary Munday or Mundy ? Dulcie -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Jarvey [mailto:bcjarvey@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 4:56 PM To: dulciana phillips Subject: MUNDAY Dear Dulcie, I saw your note to Sandra in the NJMIDDLE list. My questions are: Do you have any information on ENOS MUNDAY or-- MARY MUNDAY? In attempting to trace our family lines (a DEPEW married a MARY MUNDAY), we are having minimal results--so I am not leaving any stone unturned. Thanks, Carolyn

Hi Sandra, I can only answer your question in regards to my family. Two of the Mundays boys were loyalist. They were forced , according to testimony they gave in NB. Canada , into the Colonist Army. They joined under duress , but continued to spy on family, friends, and neighbors for the British. Finally they were caught, and under court orders lost everything. They both fled to New York City and at the end of the war sailed to Canada. All records with the exception of the court records were destroyed by the Colonist, and possibly the British. The only way I could retrace them back to Am. was by papers submitted to Britain for financial assistance. They were listed in the Stryker book. Most of my loyalist lines simply came back across the border into Am. at the end of the Rev. War. Till Later, Dulcie Anna Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of the ancestors........unknown Sandra wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Naehrig [mailto:snaehrig@magnet.ch] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 2:30 PM To: NJMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJMIDDLE] Stryker's Men and Officers I need some help with a book. I have written down two titles and don't know if they are the same book, possibly two different editions or if they are two different books. Can someone please help me? I have "Manual of the Men and Officers of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by William Stryker and Official Register of the Officers and Men of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by Wm. Stryker. Does Stryker only list Patriots or are Loyalists included too? Thanks for any explanation. Sandra

Hi, anyone working on the Lippencott family or have any Lippencott's connected to their Runyon family? I have a Frank P/ Lippencott married to a Carrie (possible Caroline) Runyon. No dates available, Carrie was born about 1854. Thanks, Ken

I need some help with a book. I have written down two titles and don't know if they are the same book, possibly two different editions or if they are two different books. Can someone please help me? I have "Manual of the Men and Officers of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by William Stryker and Official Register of the Officers and Men of New Jersey who served in the Revolutionary War" by Wm. Stryker. Does Stryker only list Patriots or are Loyalists included too? Thanks for any explanation. Sandra

Jenifer, What a coincidence. I just returned from NJ and I found several things for Cyrenius Morris and wrote them down to send to you. We corresponded recently about the Morrises of Woodbridge, remember? I actually looked through the cemetery records at the church (they have a book listing all the people buried there so maybe you could get in touch with the church) and found: Cyrenius Morris 1811 buried in part H4 of the cemetery. I don't think the book gave the actual transcription of the stone. I didn't see Hetty Evans Morris but I didn't see the stone. In an index of wills microfilms at the NJ Archives in Trenton I found the following reference which if you write the Archives and pay them a few dollars I think they will look up for you: Morris Cyrenius 12210L Inv. 1844. In the Mortgager Index Middlesex County I also found Cyrenius Morris to Thomas Salter Vol. 12 p. 100 1822. There must have been a father and son named Cyrenius. This index was also at the Archives in Trenton. I'm sorry I didn't have time to look them up for you but time was very short. I thought that with the references they might look them up and copy them for you. I got several things that way before I went there. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Carnes [SMTP:koala@mindinfo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:47 PM To: NJMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJMIDDLE] Cemetery lookup Would someone be able to do a lookup for me? I am looking for information about a Cyrenius Morris that is buried in the First Presbyterian Church Cemetery in Woodbridge. Buried about 1811 and possibly with his wife Hetty Evans Morris. I believe the records are now all at the NJ Historical Society. Thanks, JenniLyn Carnes California

Hello Listers, Can anyone tell me if there is any kind of "Index to Death's" for New Jersey out there. I have the month & year of death of an ancestor, but need the full date of death to get an obituary. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated!! Sincerely, Dave Kearney, Kane, PA. raznun@penn.com P.S. I can send a name if anyone has access to an index, and will do look-ups! :-)

COTAUNCH-GULICK-WILLIAMSON-WYCKOFF; NJ; 1700s >From New Jersey Marriages... #550; William COTAUNCH (COTANCH) and William WILLIAMSON, both of the County of Sussex... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 8 Dec 1773. ... William COTAUNCH... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Sarah WILLIAMSON... [w] And'w LEDLIE and Tho's POTTS Source = NEW JERSEY MARRIAGES Copyright (c) 1999 by Patricia m. Bergener (brgnr@ix.netcom.com) >From the September 1791 will of Peter WILLIAMSON (married Catherine GRIGGs) of Greenwich Township (then Sussex, now) Warren Co., NJ: ... I Peter WILLIAMSON of the Township of Greenwich in the County of Sussex ... do this day TwentyFirst of September and in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven Hundred and ninety one 1791 do Publish and declare this to be my Last will and Testament .... and the next place I do give and bequeth unto my daughter Sarah CLAUNCH ... my Daughter mary LACY ... my wife Catherine (35:41; File 513S, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton, New Jersey) THEORY: Sarah's married name appears as CLAUNCH in the abstract of Peter WILLIAMSON's will but an examination of the original show that it is entirely possible that her married name was actually COTAUNCH. Sarah (WILLIAMSON) CLAUNCH, dau. of Peter and Catherine (GRIGGS) WILLIAMSON, and Sarah (WILLIAMSON) COTAUNCH, wife of William COTAUNCH, are the same individual. Q. Who was the William WILLIAMSON of Sussex Co., NJ that supported the marriage of Sarah WILLIAMSON and William COTAUNCH in 1773? Is he identical with... >From New Jersey Colonial Documents: Calendar of Wills--1771-1780: 1775, Sept. 6. WILLIAMSON, William, of Sussex Co. Int. Adm'x--Elizabeth WILLIAMSON, of said Co. Fellowbondsman-- Henry GULICK, of Hunterdon Co. Witnesses--Martha Hughes and Rachel Caldwell. Lib. 16, p. 531 THEORY (RED HERRING?!): I initially thought that the William WILLIAMSON who supported the marriage of William COTAUNCH and Sarah WILLIAMSON might be an otherwise undocumented eldest son of Peter and Catherine (GRIGGS) WILLIAMSON (Peter was reportedly the son of a William WILLIAMSON himself). Elizabeth WILLIAMSON (William's widow or daughter?) married Christian W.-2 CUMMINS (Christian-1), b. 4 December 1751, d. 15 October 1833. On reason to speculate that William was the son of Peter and Catherine (GRIGGS) WILLIAMSON is the fact that Catherine (GRIGGS) WILLIAMSON's mother, Jacomyntie (GULICK) GRIGGS, had a brother Hendrick-3 GULICK (Jochem-2, Hendrick-1). From an examination of the original document abstracted above pertaining to William WILLIAMSON (Sussex 00219, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton, New Jersey), it is clear that Henry GULICK actually signed his name as Hendrick at "Greenwich Forge." It is presumed that Greenwich Forge was located somewhere within Greenwich Township. >From New Jersey Marriages... #064; Hendrik (Hendrick) GULICK and George GARRISON, both of Hunterdon County, yeomen... [bound to]... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 26 Sept 1754. ... Hendrick GULICK... and George GARRISON obtained license of marriage for Hendrick GULICK... and for Mary WILLIAMSON... [w] blank Source = NEW JERSEY MARRIAGES Copyright (c) 1999 by Patricia m. Bergener (brgnr@ix.netcom.com) >From New Jersey Queries #12 (1992): Nicholas WILLIAMSON, resided at New Brunswick, Middlesex Co., NJ 1738; died Hunterdon Co., NJ 1760 had a daughter, Mary WILLIAMSON who married 1754 Capt. Henry GULICK. According to Jan Gulick, it was Henry-5 GULICK (Samuel-4, Hendrick-3, Jochem-2, Hendrick-1) (1734-1798) who was married in 1754 Mary WILLIAMSON, dau. of Nicholas WILLIAMSON. They named their second son Nicholas and their second daughter Rachel. Thus, the following baptismal records must pertain to Mary (WILLIAMSON) GULICK and two of her siblings, including a brother, William WILLIAMSON: >From New Brunswick DRC: 21 Apr 1734 William to Nicholas WILLIAMSON and Ragel 19 Feb 1738 Maria to Nicholas WILLIAMSEN and Rachel >From Readington DRC: Cathelina WILLEMSEN 6 Nov 1744 to Nicholas WILLEMSEN and Rachel THEORY: The Hendrick GULICK of Hunterdon Co. who marred Mary WILLIAMSON was identical with the Hendrick GULICK of Hunterdon Co. who was a bondsman in the administration William WILLIAMSON's estate. Hendrick was William's brother-in-law. Thus, William WILLIAMSON was *not* the son of Peter and Catherine (GRIGGS) WILLIAMSON as originally though; he was the son of Nicholas and Rachel (_____) WILLIAMSON. >From the WILLIAMSON genealogy in the Vliet/Williamson Day Book (hereinafter VWDB) it is confirmed that Peter WILLIAMSON (d. 1791) had a brother, Jacobus WILLIAMSON. On 3 September 1755, "William HENERY of Greenwitch in the County of Sussex...and Hannah his wife" deeded to "James (English equivalent of Jacobus) WILLIAMSON of the County of Middlesex... a Tract or Parcel of Land Situated on the northwest Side of Muskonetcong river in the Township of Greenwitch" for L-25. A Jacobus WILLIAMSON was listed as a freeholder in New Brunswick, Middlesex County in 1752 (GMNJ, Vol. 4). THEORY: Brothers Peter and Jacobus/James WILLIAMSON, early settlers of Greenwich Township (then Sussex, now) Warren Co., NJ both originated in New Brunswick, Middlesex Co., NJ. Peter and Jacobus were somehow related to William WILLIAMSON who died in 1775 in Greenwich Township and who was the son of Nicholas WILLIAMSON of New Brunswick. Any information that supports or refutes the theories posed above would be greatly appreciated as well as response to these specific questions: Q. Who were the ancestors of William COTAUNCH? Q. Who were the descendants of William and Sarah (WILLIAMSON) COTAUNCH? Q. How were Peter and Jacobus/James WILLIAMSON related to Nicholas WILLIAMSON? Sons, nephews or cousins? Q. Who were the ancestors and descendants of Nicholas and Rachel (_____) WILLIAMSON of New Brunswick, Middlesex Co., NJ? Q. Nicholas WILLIAMSON named his first (known) son William and his second (known) daughter Cathelina. Could Nicholas have been the son of Willem-2 WILLIAMSON (Willem-1 WILLEMSEN & Mayke Pieterse WYCKOFF) and Catelyntie-3 GULICK (Jochem-2, Hendrick-1)? Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) Canandaigua, New York USA http://www.perry.streeter.com

Would someone be able to do a lookup for me? I am looking for information about a Cyrenius Morris that is buried in the First Presbyterian Church Cemetery in Woodbridge. Buried about 1811 and possibly with his wife Hetty Evans Morris. I believe the records are now all at the NJ Historical Society. Thanks, JenniLyn Carnes California

I am trying to find out the whereabouts of my great grandfather, John Feaster (fester.feister). I have already checked out St, Peter's in New Brunswick, where he lived. He came over from Bavaria and I know his children went to the St.John's German school (There they spelled it Pfister in 1882. I have an old program from there.) His first child was born in 1863and Henry was born in 1865.He had2wives ,Margaret and Caroline, What I would like to know is was there a church and cemetery attached. He also was the father of Joseph Feaster,the politian. I would appreciate any help '

CENSUS DAY IS APRIL 1, 2000! (Could've fooled me!*G*) (I got my form in the mail today and it's the short version.) However, it is important that you fill out and return your census form. If you got the long form....lucky you! When you have completed your form, make a copy of the whole thing and file it with your important papers and/or your family history! What valuable information you may be saving for your descendents! It's also important for other reasons including federal funding for your home area. Each under reported person costs your district about $1,400 every year for ten years. That's a bunch folks so remember to get it back on time! Pat Mount a former census taker

Anyone recognize who the parents of these MARTIN's are who are buried in the Woodbridge Presbyterian Church Cemetery, NJ? 1. Merrick MARTIN d. Sept 9, 1846 age 23, s/o Oliver and Fanny MARTIN, buried plot 2-3 D-E. Who are the parents of OLIVER MARTIN? 2. Aaron MARTIN b. Apr 26, 1840 d. Sept 20, 1656 age 16 bur plot 8-9 G-H 3. Rebecca C. Martin 1823 - 1919 age 96yrs bur plot 7-8 J-K 4. Mary M. MARTIN d. June 20, 1860 age 31yrs. Bur in William Marsh and Sarah (CROWELL) MARTIN's plot 2-3 D-E. Is this a 2nd daughter of theirs named Mary? If so, she was born 2 yrs before the 1st Mary died, unless age 31 at death is wrong. The 1st Mary Marsh MARTIN d. March 10, 1831 age 18 yrs. Thank you Alice Martin LaRue