Carol, You definitely want to check out the History of St. Peter's Church by JONES. Both families are in there. -- Michelle Tucker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ukraine WorldGenWeb - Ivano-Frankivs'ka Oblast: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/ivano/index.html OKGenWeb County Coordinator: Cherokee Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchero2/index.htm OKGenWeb Archives: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html Sequoyah Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/sequoyah/sequoyah.html Michelle's Home Page: http://members.home.net/famhist/shell.htm Countiss Connections: http://members.home.net/famhist/countiss.htm Woodbridge, NJ Amateur Radio Club http://members.home.net/famhist/k2odp/

Michelle, Thanks again... you've been such a big help. Hopefully I can return the favor some day. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle <famhist@home.com> To: <NJMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NJMIDDLE] St. Peters Episcopal Church > Carol Sterling wrote: > > > > Hi again! My grandmother just sent me some info. from a cousin on my FOTHERGILL & LIDDLE lines. My deepest THANKS to Michelle Tucker from the list. As it turns out, info. Michelle sent me helped a great deal on my research. > > > > Does anyone know if there is a history about St. Peters and where I might be able to find it? Records for the church? I think I might have mis-read the info. from Michelle... IS St. Peters Episcopal Chruch still there or was it just the Presbyterian Cemetery (not affiliated with St. Peters) that was disinterred? The time frame I'm looking for is around 1804 and latter. > > > > >From the info. I recieved, my GG-grandmother, Mary LIDDLE FOTHERGILL was named for her grandmother... MARY LIDDLE. This info. is according to the family history at St. Peters in Perth Amboy. > > > > Regards & thanks for any help, > > Carol S. > > Yes, there is a written history of St. Peter's and can be seen at > Rutgers Univ. Special Collections NJ Room. The Perth Amboy Library does > _not_ have their copy any longer. > > St. Peter's was formed 1680s and does have their cemetery around the > actual church building. The (unaffliated) Presbyterian Cemetery was the > only cemetery disinterred in Perth Amboy (ca 1860s). > > -- Michelle Tucker > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ukraine WorldGenWeb - Ivano-Frankivs'ka Oblast: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/ivano/index.html > OKGenWeb County Coordinator: > Cherokee Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchero2/index.htm > OKGenWeb Archives: > Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html > Sequoyah Co.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/sequoyah/sequoyah.html > Michelle's Home Page: > http://members.home.net/famhist/shell.htm > Countiss Connections: > http://members.home.net/famhist/countiss.htm > Woodbridge, NJ Amateur Radio Club > http://members.home.net/famhist/k2odp/ >

Carol Sterling wrote: > > Hi again! My grandmother just sent me some info. from a cousin on my FOTHERGILL & LIDDLE lines. My deepest THANKS to Michelle Tucker from the list. As it turns out, info. Michelle sent me helped a great deal on my research. > > Does anyone know if there is a history about St. Peters and where I might be able to find it? Records for the church? I think I might have mis-read the info. from Michelle... IS St. Peters Episcopal Chruch still there or was it just the Presbyterian Cemetery (not affiliated with St. Peters) that was disinterred? The time frame I'm looking for is around 1804 and latter. > > >From the info. I recieved, my GG-grandmother, Mary LIDDLE FOTHERGILL was named for her grandmother... MARY LIDDLE. This info. is according to the family history at St. Peters in Perth Amboy. > > Regards & thanks for any help, > Carol S. Yes, there is a written history of St. Peter's and can be seen at Rutgers Univ. Special Collections NJ Room. The Perth Amboy Library does _not_ have their copy any longer. St. Peter's was formed 1680s and does have their cemetery around the actual church building. The (unaffliated) Presbyterian Cemetery was the only cemetery disinterred in Perth Amboy (ca 1860s). -- Michelle Tucker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ukraine WorldGenWeb - Ivano-Frankivs'ka Oblast: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/ivano/index.html OKGenWeb County Coordinator: Cherokee Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchero2/index.htm OKGenWeb Archives: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html Sequoyah Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/sequoyah/sequoyah.html Michelle's Home Page: http://members.home.net/famhist/shell.htm Countiss Connections: http://members.home.net/famhist/countiss.htm Woodbridge, NJ Amateur Radio Club http://members.home.net/famhist/k2odp/

Hi again! My grandmother just sent me some info. from a cousin on my FOTHERGILL & LIDDLE lines. My deepest THANKS to Michelle Tucker from the list. As it turns out, info. Michelle sent me helped a great deal on my research. Does anyone know if there is a history about St. Peters and where I might be able to find it? Records for the church? I think I might have mis-read the info. from Michelle... IS St. Peters Episcopal Chruch still there or was it just the Presbyterian Cemetery (not affiliated with St. Peters) that was disinterred? The time frame I'm looking for is around 1804 and latter. >From the info. I recieved, my GG-grandmother, Mary LIDDLE FOTHERGILL was named for her grandmother... MARY LIDDLE. This info. is according to the family history at St. Peters in Perth Amboy. Regards & thanks for any help, Carol S.

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1016 Surname: McCoy, Talmage ------------------------- My ggggrandmother was Susannah Talmage whose parents were Mary McCoy and Thomas Talmage. I, too have been interested in finding out more information about the Caledonia but have come up empty. I do have some information about the McCoys and Kinnans as well as quite a bit more on the Talmage family. Would like to support this query as well as being willing to share information.

Hi JenniLyn -- Edward Crowell (b. 6 June 1685 d. 20 Oct. 1756) [son of Edward Crowell and Mary Lathrop] had 3 wives: (1) Sarah Vail; (2) Elizabeth Frazee (d/o Joseph Frazee & Mary Osborne -- she was widow of Joseph Pike and is often seen as Elizabeth Pike), and (3) Christian Brown (b. 26 April 1701, d. 25 Oct 1749 -- d/o George Brown & Annabel Gordon). Edward's will abstracted in NJA 32:82 -- 1755, Nov. 28. Crowell, Edward, Sr., Esq., of Woodbridge, Middlesex Co.,; will of. Children -- John, Samuel, Edward, Thomas, James, Elizabeth Addleton, Mary Alston, Sarah Morris, Kathrine Evens, Annable and Agnes. Real and personal estate. Executors -- William Brown and Thomas Gauch. Witnesses -- James Brown, Thomas Hadden and Nugient Kelly. Proved Oct. 17, 1756. Lib. F. p. 382. See "Lewis Ross Freeman" by Patty Myers, page 655. Edward had no children by his second wife, Elizabeth Frazee Pike. You will note he mentions a daughter Kathrine Evens. She was his daughter by his third wife, Christian Brown. Kathrine was b. 6 Jan 1735/36. I have no further information about her in my files. If, however, she appears to be the one you are seeking, wife of Reuben Evans [or Evens], then I would be happy to fill you in on more details of her ancestry. Harman Clark hclark@bypass.com

Ok, I am going to try and scale this wall another way. Does anyone out there have any information about a Reuben Evans (I believe he was an admiral in the Rev War) or Katherine Crowell who is believed to be his wife? The person that I am really interested in would thier granddauther Hetty Evans. However, I do not have parents names for her only a side note that says she is Reuben's granddaughter. Thank you for any help. JenniLyn Carnes

My thanks to the dozens of people who wrote me about my family names. You are all kind and generous people. A few respondents have given me so much to go on, I'll be busy for months. One woman had my grandmother's wedding announcement and obituary, and transcribed them for me. It's nothing short of miraculous. Many, many thanks! Rob

Annie -- I would modify your statement by adding that some "sources" are outright frauds, such as D'Anjou, Somerby, and Marvin, and shouldn't be consulted even for clues. As to people like Monnette (who doesn't even have the correct cemetery for my grgrandfather), GREAT caution is necessary, which is why my advice to beginning genealogists is to avoid him. But since I have many ancestors in families included in Monnette, I am curious as to which families you found clues for -- we might be cousins. Harman Clark hclark@bypass.com

As with any book you must always double-check to see if the information is correct. Monnette's books gave me a clue to when my family came to New Jersey. I would have never found them without that clue. It helped me to find my family and when they came to NJ. Always look at every possible source, whether they are right or wrong. Annie

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about Monnette. He may not have been a fraud like D'Anjou and Somerby, but he comes close. On my first trip to the N.J. Historical Society many years ago, I pulled his volume off the shelves. When one of the librarians saw me taking notes from it, she warned me rather sternly, and I couldn't imagine why -- his stuff looked so helpful. Later, when I had followed his false leads and his ego down many erroneous paths, I wished I had followed her advice. Then, still later, when I saw the correspondence in the Oliver Drake files at Rutgers, Special Collections, and their comments on Monnette, and read what such modern genealogy giants as Robert Charles Anderson and David Greene (co-editor of TAG) have to say about him, my opinion was confirmed. My advice, particularly to anyone starting out in genealogy in the Middlesex County area of N.J., (where I lived myself for 40 years), is simply to avoid his books. Harman Clark hclark@bypass.com

Certainly some of Monnette's information is incorrect. But not for the lack of his trying , and the amount of money he poured into the project. His ideals were noble, but his recruitment of genealogists was flawed. Sometimes money is not the solution to a problem. I still find it useful as a guide, as I do all pieces of information. Some of his information has indeed survived under the harsh light of investigation, while other information has not. Dulcie

The message asks: "> 3. Does anyone have access to First Settlers of Ye Plantation of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714, and be able to see if it has any further info on John Brecount?" My answer is that you should avoid that reference. Monnette was a banker in California and has been called "one of the worst genealogists of any generation" -- and, having been led down numerous erroneous paths by his stuff in my early days, I fully agree with that assessment. Stay away from it. Harman Clark hclark@bypass.com

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1015 Surname: Brecount, Fitz-Randolf, LaRoue, LaRoux, Drummond, McCoy ------------------------- I am researching the Brecount Family and would be most interested in exchanging any information with anyone with any Brecount information, no matter how small. Have 3 specific questions: 1. Anyone recognize following John Brecount m. Bethia Fitz-Randolf? 2. Does anyone know anything about the Ship Caledonia? Below are the only references I have been able to glean from the web. 3. Does anyone have access to First Settlers of Ye Plantation of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714, and be able to see if it has any further info on John Brecount? Thank you --------------------- A) John Brecount m. Bethia Fitz-Randolph, born 20 September 1695/7. Notes for John Brecount: Removed from Scotland in the "Caledonia" to New Jersey in 1715, settled at Woodbridge. "First Settlers of Ye Plantation of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714, Part 2, Vital Statistics, Piscataway and Woodbrigde", Page 233. FHC Film #673270. iv. B) Bullard and Allied Families: Among the various families of this name to settle early in the vicinity of Staten Island was John LaRoue or LaRoux who, with several members of his family (including his sons John and Matthew), arrived from Glasgow, Scotland, in the ship Caledonia, in 1680. The ship, driven by storms into Raritan Bay, New Jersey, eventually went ashore, it is said, at South Amboy. The relationship of the various members of the LaRoue families on this ship has not been definitely established, but it is known that MATTHEWLA ROUE, ancestor of this branch of the LaRue's, was on board and married, during the voyage to America, Margaret Dor‚. The similarity of names among the children of these first families is very strong evidence of their close relationship, and their des cendants became the principal families of this name in the United States, allied by marriage to many early Colonial families in New York and New Jersey. C) History of Old Tennenth Church: In 1855 in the Amboy bay might still have been seen the remains of an old ship named the "Caledonia," which had been commanded by Robert Drummond. Possibly because of its old and unserviceable condition the vessel was deserted presumably in 1715, and a storm breaking its moorings to the Amboy wharf, it drifted away to its wreck. Some people have preserved relics from this old vessel. It is supposed that this ship brought emigrants from Scotland as early as 1685, and it is a matter of history that it bore to New Jersey many Scotch families about 1715. Some of these most probably joined with the early worshippers of the Old Scots church. D) Somerset County Historical Quarterly Vol VII 6Thomas Talmage married Mary, daughter of Captam Goyn McCoy, a Scotchman who had come to America in the "Caledonia" early in the 18th Century. The ship was wrecked off Perth Amboy, but all on board were saved. granted to us, seven sons and five daughters.7 7This devout young couple were the parents of two well-known clergymen of their day: Jehial Talmage, who was graduated from Nassau Hall, Princeton, in 1813, and Samuel Kennedy Talmage, who was graduated from the same University in 1820, and became President of Oglethorpe College, and was chosen Chaplain of the Confederate Congress. They were also the grandparents of the Reverends James R., John V. N., Goyn, Peter Stryker, Adrian and T. DeWitt Talmage. 8Hon. David T. Talmage was elected to the Legislature in 1836, and returned three successive terms. Link: Brecount Family URL: <http://www.geocities.com/heartland/woods/5514>

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1014 Surname: PHILLIPS ------------------------- in family plot ,NEW BRUNSWICK NJ , CAPT ABRAM PHILLIPS b11/10/1838 d. 6/30/1914 JULIA PHILLIPS(wife?) b1/02/1838 d3/26/1937 possible daughters SUSAN LAYDAN, JESSIE CARRAHER 1865-1866 city directories list ABRAHAM PHILLIPS, AURELA, JOHN,MRS. JOSEPH,PHILLIPS. IF WE CONNECT LET ME KNOW. OTHERS IN PLOT , GARRISON, FERGUSON, ROSS BENNETT, ABBOTT, RHOADES, LEAVING for vacation till EASTER SAUTRDAY. GOOD LUCK ON SEARCH

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1013 Surname: PHILLIPS ------------------------- I am looking for information on a Stephen PHILLIPS, Jr. who left the area by 1751 because some court records in Virginia list him as coming from Brunswick, Middlesex Co., NJ. Can anyone help? Thanks!

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1012 Surname: JOHN GARRISON, LYDIA FERGUSON ------------------------- NEW BRUNSWICK NJ, JOHN GARRISON wed LYDIA FERGUSON. PARENTS, DATE OF BIRTH, SIBLINGS of JOHN GARRISON unknown any connection to these names would help to extend my tree some family names also, STEVENSON, BLOWERS, BENNETT, FAMILY PLOT IN EVER GREEN cemetary,GEO'S RD. buried in plot following names, ABBOTT/ PHILLIPS/LAYDEN/ROSS/RHOADES CARRAHER/GARRISON/FERGUSON/BENNETT

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1011 Surname: Pichadou, Poignonnec ------------------------- The Michelin Tire Factory started in the town of Milltown, New Jersey, in Middlesex County. In 1907 or 1908 Michelin sailed from France to Ellis Island to Milltown to set up the tire factory. My grandfather Jean Marie Pichadou, was one of the men. I am looking for the name of the ship and any information on this subject. His wife Louise Poignonnec sailed to USA 2 years later, ship also unknown. Thank you..

Posted on: Middlesex Co. NJ Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NJ/Middlesex?read=1010 Surname: Pichadou, Poignonnec ------------------------- Researching Middlesex County, Milltown, New Jersey,where Michelin Tire Co. from France, in 1907 or 1908, set up the first tire factory. Seeking info on the names Pichadou and Poignonnec, also the name of the ship Michelin workers sailed on.

I rec'd this posting from Anne Brown, Trustee of the NY Marble Cemetery this a.m. so if you found a family name in the list on the web site feel free to contact her. >We've gathered alot of identifying info (parents, spouses, occupations, >dates), so let me know if you would like the annotated vault list for any >family. >Best wishes - Anne Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >Anne W. Brown (Mrs. Geo. S.), Trustee >New York Marble Cemetery, Inc. >www.marblecemetery.org. >Don't take it for granite!