This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1759.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Pat, William J. Me Dede was one of the New Brunswick undertakers in business around the turn of the century, located at 25 Easton Avenue, New Brunswick. The building is still there, an odd building now, it consists of a bagel shop, a tarot card reader(!) and a carribean take out resturant, along with some smaller offices inside the 1st floor. What you can't see from the street is that the property goes VERY far back, on an angle. The garage is huge. It could be an interesting funeral home except there is no parking. Anyhoo...Mc Dede sold it to James H. Maher in 1914, Undertaker Maher had a brother and a son, both funeral directors, His brother was coroner and lived until the 1940s, quite elderly for that time, and Mr. Maher was practicing until his death in 1961, unfortunately his son, dropped dead of a heart attack when he was about 48 less than a year after his dad. The last funeral director was a man named Leo J. Mc Closkey, from Princeton, NJ. The next of kin sold the buildin! g to the first offer that came by, incidentally, from the corner tavern owners next door. I'm not sure anyone maintained those records after Mr. Maher, but we can try to feel around for some answers. I believe the decendants moved out of NJ, but don't quote me. <Would there be additional info that would not be on a death certificate?> There very well could be. It depends who has them and if the undertaker at the time was detail oriented. I found records, not much mind you, from the present incarnation of W. H. Quackenboss and Son, also in New Brunswick. Bobby was very nice and I do appreciate his work. Anyhow, as I said to Joann, if it is all you have to go on, bits of detail are worthwhile. Kindest regards, Christopher

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mcnally Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1759.1.2 Message Board Post: Chris, One of my death certificates has William J. McDede's name on it. Do you know if someone took over his records? Would there be additional info that would not be on a death certificate? TIA Pat

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2 Message Board Post: I called there yesterday to see what they would tell me. I asked if someone was there on the weekends, if I was able to get a map of the cemetery, and if I needed to know the plot number. I was told Their hours are 9-4 M-F. weekends are by appointment and to call during the week. They have a map, I dont need to know the plot number they will look it up and help find it for me. The person I spoke with didnt mention anything about a fee. Im not saying that there is not one, they didnt mention it on the phone. I already have all the dates I need. I only need where they are located. I have one plot number which is for an infant who was buried in a separate infant area. Perhaps the charge is if you dont have dates.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Joann, If they did not mention the cost of a search you certainly should. I located 3 relatives in St. Peter's Cemetery in New Brunswick but luckily had access to records that included birth/death dates, address, date of interment, etc. If you don't have as much information, perhaps it is worth it. <I DID FIND A SITE ON THE COMPUTER LAST NIGHT. IT MAY COME TO SOME HELP TO YOU. YOU CAN FIND SOCIAL NUMBERS OF YOUR DECEASED.> If the deceased has died before 1980, I think, you will get the month of death, and year. This can help if it is all you have to go on. <AS FAR AS ALPINE GOES...YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY THEM WITH THE DATES OF BIRTH AND DEATH AND THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHOM YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. > This is practical and realistic. The folks at the cemetery do not have a crystal ball to use to zero in on the family member out of the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS interred there. Of course you know, record keeping in the days of yesterday were haphazard. I asked my great Aunt why her father had no headstone? She replied, " We just didn't know any better." They would have been shocked senseless that almost 100 years later people would be combing the graveyard looking for their final resting place. <WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY THEY ARE GETTING FOR THE PERPETUAL CARE OF THE PLACE???? > Well, in NJ, a cemetery association that accepts current burials, MUST have endowment care fund(Perpetual is a long time....) The monies deposited in the fund are added to the principal, the earnings (interest accumulated on the principal) are used for maintaining and beautifying the grounds. The Principal can NEVER be touched, period. The costs, like every vestige of living in NJ, soar higher every year, it seems. The cost of landscaping a yard, times however many hundreds of acres at this cemetery, plus employees, snow removal, etc, equal a LOT of money. I can understand how many smaller cemeteries revert to the State as Custodians. If the index card or other record of the individual exists, I would think the time required to access a lot number is well worth it, if you don't have the information. At least it's not the DMV (Motor Vehicle Commision) ;-) Kind regards, Christopher

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: " I can not believe that this office does not have access to the computer systems and just give you the lot when a name is put into the system." Joann, You are expecting a 21st century response when most cemetery associations are struggling to keep the grass mowed. Don't take my word for it, read the minutes from the State Board of Cemeteries, and the inability of the individual cemetery to pay $75.00 for annual fees. Many cemeteries I see mentioned on this board were abandoned by the churches who started them and if they have ONE kind soul to maintain the grounds and report vandalism they count themselves VERY lucky. I know this is an era of instant gratification and anything on demand, but you have walked into another world. "Punching in names, get lot number" is not practiced by any cemetery that I work with. Furthermore, with THOUSANDS of bodies marked and unmarked, it is difficult to track down an individual, without information. "I think it really is a shame that everyone has to profit in some way or another when a love one wants to find the history of their relatives." I try to remember every day that although this may be the third funeral for me this day, for the person I am talking to there is ONE and only ONE, their loved one's. You did not mention what that fee is, but I very much doubt ANYONE profits from a request such as yours. Did you check or ask your great Aunt if it might me written down somewhere, in a Bible perhaps? Kind regards, Christopher

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: THE PLACE IS BIG AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT IS THE ONE FROM ST MARYS. THE ADDRESS IS AS FOLLOWS: THE ALPINE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION 703 AMBOY AVE., PERTH AMBOY, N.J. 08861 STEVEN ROSS MARKETING DIRECTOR TELEPHONE 732-42-0055 CELL 732-300-9336 WWW.CMSMIDATLANTIC.COM THIS PLACE IS MANAGED BY CMS MID-ATLANTIC INC. HOPE THIS HELPS YOU. LET ME KNOW WHAT TRANSPIRES FROM YOUR SEARCH. GOOD LUCK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: THEY DID NOT MENTION THE COST. I COULD ONLY GUESS THAT IT WILL BE ABOUT $20 BUT WHO KNOWS. I DID FIND A SITE ON THE COMPUTER LAST NIGHT. IT MAY COME TO SOME HELP TO YOU. YOU CAN FIND SOCIAL NUMBERS OF YOUR DECEASED. I FOUND SOME AND ALSO IT GIVES THE DATE OF BIRTH AND THE DATE OF DEATH. AS FAR AS ALPINE GOES...YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY THEM WITH THE DATES OF BIRTH AND DEATH AND THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHOM YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. I WOULD THINK THEY WILL FIND IT AND THEN HIT YOU UP FOR THE COST. THERE IS NO FORMAT THAT WAS GIVEN JUST THE CARD WITH THEIR ADDRESS OF THE OFFICE. I REALLY WAS DISAPPOINTED. THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS, WHICH THEY DO, BUT THEY CHARGE FOR IT. WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY THEY ARE GETTING FOR THE PERPETUAL CARE OF THE PLACE???? LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK THEM TO LOOK YOU RELATIVES UP. AS FOR THE SITE I MENTIONED: WWW.SSDI.GENEALOGY.ROOTSWEB.COM GOOD LUCK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1817 Message Board Post: EPHRAIM DUNHAM had a WILL. He died in approximately 1843 in Middlesex County NJ An abstract of the WILL would even be helpful!!! Thank you. Mary - Missouri

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: did they say how much they are charging?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: hello...is this cemetery that large...also could you give me the address...im looking for some info too...thank you..

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1803.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I was just at the Alpine Cemetery today. Went to the office to try and check the location of a headstone or my great grandparents. I was told that in order for them to do this for me, I would have to know the date of death and send it in writing. Of course this will cost a fee. I can not believe that this office does not have access to the computer systems and just give you the lot when a name is put into the system. I think it really is a shame that everyone has to profit in some way or another when a love one wants to find the history of their relatives. I have a great Aunt that knows where the plots are but thought I could get this information at the site itself. Just wanted to give you my experience on this.

Hello Everyone, I have put together a web site on the descendants of Benjamin GRIGGS and Margrietje (Margaret) VAN DRIEST of Griggstown, Somerset County, NJ. The URL address is: http://www.scoutdogstudios.com/thegriggsfile/ I encourage anyone that descends or has an interest in this line, to please visit the site. In order to keep the size of the file manageable, I have only gone through four generations. I know there is missing information, plus there are no doubt errors and some of the conclusions I have reached will need to be revised once more accurate information has been obtained. Therefore, I hope that anyone who visits this web site that has documented evidence that will either confirm or refute any information presented will come forward and share their findings. As new information and sources become available, my plan is to update the site so that everyone can benefit from other researcher’s participation. Frank L. Griggs Lafayette, Colorado

I found these interesting areas on Trenton Society and News that covers quite a few years in the 1800 - 1900s and thought some would be able to find naturalization, businesses, some residences, marriages, deaths or news article references listings. http://www.trentonhistory.org/Exp/Chrono.htm http://oldmillhillsociety.org/research/naturalization/DeclarationOfIntent.htm There are a few other sites off of the oldmillhillsociety.org and also the trentonhistory.org, too. Enjoy! Doris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ellingham; Meseroll Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1808.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No, Gloria, I don't recognize any of those names, but they are certainly in the same area that the Ellingham family lived. Just thought I would ask. Sorry I can't help you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1808.2.1.1 Message Board Post: my grandparents had a farm up the road from state home road over by spotswood englishtown road..then up near matchponix..the farm is still there and my uncle lives on it..how about the osner families..cohens ...ivanetskis...im not sure of the spelling on these families..or mr indyke..where the strawberry farm is...im sure there are other families im just not remembering them...i dont know the name youre asking...do you recognize the ones i mentioned above...gloria

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ellingham Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1808.2.1 Message Board Post: For Gloria - Did you know the Ellingham family who lived at the bottom of the hill leading to the Boys' Home?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sersun, Logoda Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/1473.1 Message Board Post: David Loguda, My name is Patricia Tidy. My father is Charles Sersun, Jr. His mother is Anna Sersun from Carteret, New Jersey. If you are still interested in persuing a search for your relatives please respond to [email protected] Thank you, Patricia Tidy

Would you be able to check on that microfilm for any births or deaths of any Rowlands? I am searching for james Rowland, b in 1755 and Jonas Cole Rowland, b. 1840. the family lived in Woodbridge. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: [NJMID] Nathaniel Ayers (b. 4 Mar 1700/01) of Woodbridge Township > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/1813 > > Message Board Post: > > Yesterday, I read (on microfilm) what seems to be the original Woodbridge Township record of births, marriages and deaths. It is the second item on microfilm number 16596 in the Family History Library's collection. According to the FHL catalog, it is a microfilm of the original record, filmed by Bibliofilm in 1938 from the original at Woodbridge, NJ. > > I say all that, because I am still not sure this is a film of the original record prepared by the town clerk. > > If it is, then the compilation done by Dally back in the 19th century has at least one glaring omission--the birth of Nathaniel Ayers, son of John & Mary Ayers. (He also apparently omitted the birth of Patience Ayers, daughter of John & Mary Ayers, which was recorded on the same page as the birth of Nathaniel Ayers.) > > Plainly legible on the sixth page of the record are consecutive entries for "Frances Ayers Son of John Ayers & Mary his wife born March ye 15th 1698," and "Benjamin Ayers Son of John Ayers & Mary his wife born June ye 19th 1703." > > Also plainly legible on the fifteenth page of the record are entries which are not consecutive (being separated from each other by one other entry of a birth record) for "Patience Ayers daughter of John Ayers & Mary his wife born April ye 22 1697," and "Nathaniel Ayers son of John Ayers & Mary his wife born March ye 4th 1700." (For Nathaniel, the "4" is a little hard to read, but seems pretty clearly to be a "4.") > > I'm puzzled by two things: First, the births of children of what appears to be one set of parents are entered several pages apart; and second, the entries are so plainly visible I don't see how Dally or anyone else could miss any of them. > > If this is truly a microfilm of the original clerk's record of births, then it seems strange that the children of a set of parents wouldn't be entered on the same page--since it is clear that the entries were not made in strictly chronological order contemporaneously with the births being recorded. > > I suppose Dally's printed compilation could have contained an error of omission (and I've been told that the published compilation done by William A. Whitehead contains an omission--of Benjamin), but I'm just wondering if anyone knows of a way to verify that the microfilm truly is a photographic image of the original and not of someone's notes which were made sometime in the past during an effort to compile a transcript of the original record. > > The birth records I found today fit pretty well into a cycle of roughly two-year intervals between births. If they are rearranged from what appears on those two pages in the record book, and if the conventional way of stating the two calendar years for dates in the 1 Jan-24 March period is used, the result is: > > Patience Ayers, b. 22 April 1697 > Frances Ayers, b. 15 March 1698/99 (We would spell it "Francis.") > Nathaniel Ayers, b. 4 March 1700/01 > Benjamin Ayers, b. 19 June 1703 > > As recorded in the book on the microfilm, the first and third children in this group of four are recorded on page 15 while the second and fourth children are on page 6. > > I don't know of any reason why the clerk would split them up like that, or why one set of parents would provide the information to the clerk in that fashion for recording--at separate times, and out of chronological order. > > On the other hand, there is an obvious possible explanation, if one doesn't assume that these four children were the issue of one set of parents. > > If there were two different couples named John and Mary Ayers in Woodbridge, then they might well have provided the information to the clerk for recording at different times (thus the appearance on different pages). And, if there were two sets of parents, the apparent first & third and second & fourth child arrangement of the record wouldn't be that at all--it would be children one and two of one set of parents and children one and two of the other set of parents. > > Does anyone have any idea where the original Woodbridge, NJ, town clerk's record is now held? > > > > > > ==== NJMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > MIDDLESEX COUNTY NJGENWEB > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njmiddle > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SON/VAN ZON/VAN SON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zQB.2ACE/474.712.920.925.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My mothers maiden name was SON. I can trace her linage back to 1770's in VA. The ZON/VAN ZON name is in Columbia County, NY in the early 1700's and through time changed to just SON. So far I haven't made a connection to the VAN ZON/SON name.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zQB.2ACE/474.712.920.925.1.1 Message Board Post: is this family? my grandmother was anna maria van zon born in 1889 dordtrecht, z.holland daug. of antonius van zon born in 1857 oosterhout, n. brabant. going back to antonius van son mar.in 1755 gilze rijen. i have not been able to go back any further if you have info on this family before that or if you are family would love to hear from you. anna marie