Can someone tell me how far back in time I can go and get wedding announcements in the Trenton newspaper(s)? I have just read a posting that implied there were announcements there in 1819. Regards, Larry Covert Mobile, Alabama

Do any of you know of any remaining evidence like right of way, car barns or track in the street, or poles of the old trolley lines? Our railroad club would like this information. We know about the track on the E. State Street bridge over the main line. Our decendants will appreciate your knowledge. Thanks in advance Marie Wright

Hello Mercer County listers, Does anyone know where Thorntown, N.J., is or was? My ancestor, Martha Watson M(a)cdonald was born there in 1845. I haven't been able to find it. Hope someone can shed some light. Thanks. -- Pam

As far back as the early 1970's they have talked about replacing the Calhoun Street bridge. However, it still has not been replaced and, with period repairs, it remains open to traffic. Rich Simon At 08:03 AM 11/23/00 -0800, Bertha May Hall wrote: >Have they torn down the old Calhoun St. beidge that goes to Trenton Ave. in >Morrisville, PA? That as late as 1985 was the northern most of the four >bridges. Next bridge down stream is the Trenton Makes, The world Takes >Bridge that connect S. Warren St. to Bridge St in Morrisville, PA.. The >next is the toll bridge, and lastly the railroad bridge. >Bertha Hall >Plainfield, CT.

Have they torn down the old Calhoun St. beidge that goes to Trenton Ave. in Morrisville, PA? That as late as 1985 was the northern most of the four bridges. Next bridge down stream is the Trenton Makes, The world Takes Bridge that connect S. Warren St. to Bridge St in Morrisville, PA.. The next is the toll bridge, and lastly the railroad bridge. Bertha Hall Plainfield, CT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Simon <rich.simon@njwg.cap.gov> To: <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Trenton Makes, the World Takes > Mary Jo, > > The "Trenton Makes, the World Takes" bridge is the northernmost of three > bridges that are in close proximity of each other. It carries vehicle and > foot traffic on Alternate US 1 to Pennsylvania. The middle bridge is the > US 1 toll bridge for vehicle traffic and the railroad bridge is the > southernmost of the three. > > Rich Simon > > > At 10:05 AM 11/23/00 +1100, Mary Jo C. Martin wrote: > >Dear Joy: > > > >There is a steel set of letters on the bridge between Trenton and > >Pennsylania (similar to the Olympic rings on the Sydney Harbour Bridge in > >September). It says: "Trenton Makes, the World Takes." My grandmother > >remembers it always being there, so it would have to go back to the 1920s, > >when she would have visited Trenton as a young girl. > > > >The main East Coast Amtrak train goes over that bridge, and Trenton Railway > >station was a large transport center many years ago. Combine that with the > >Delaware River shipping (cargo ships can go no further north than Trenton), > >the southern terminuses of the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Pkwy nearby, the > >fact that Rt. 95 from Maine to Florida goes just north of Trenton, and NJ's > >nickname as the Garden State, despite being mainly NY and Phila suburbs > >these days. You can infer that it used to be a major center for transport > >of manufactured goods and garden produce. > > > >Hope that gives you some ideas. > > > >Best wishes, > >Mary Jo C. Martin > >Melbourne, Australia > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: joy.power@citicorp.com <joy.power@citicorp.com> > >To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: Thursday, 23 November 2000 1:19 > >Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am trying to hypothesize why my ancestors, who emigrated from > > > England circa 1855, ended up in Trenton. > > > > > > My guess is that its future looked bright because it was centrally > > > located between Philly and NYC (lots of transportation). Plus, it was > > > on the Delaware River which feeds to the Atlantic Ocean - people > > > probably thought that products/supplies could be easily shipped in and > > > out and that the river could be used to power the industries. > > > > > > Am I on track? What else would have made Trenton their final > > > destination? > > > > > > Thanks for any ideas, > > > Joy > > > > >

As a kid growing up in New Jersey, I remember the corollary slogan went: "What the World Refuses, Trenton Uses" George Shumard gwshumard@worldnet.att.net .

Hi everyone (and happy Thanksgiving!), I can definitely back up what everyone has written so far about why people moved to Trenton. I have ancestors who worked in the potteries (weren't there as many as at least 50 potteries in the area at one time?), and who worked for Roebling in the steel mills. My German side came directly to Trenton from Germany, but I do have people who came from England and settled in NE Pennsylvania first, to work in the coal mines. Around 1870 Schuylkill County, Pa., was hit with a depression and alot of mines shut down. I think it was around that time that Trenton really began to take off, so that line of mine moved here to Trenton to find work and settle. It's curious to me why they didn't go to Philadelphia - maybe by then Philadelphia was too large and too settled and Trenton was more "up and coming" with more potential for work? Not as populated as the larger city? The Delaware-Raritan canal system also parallels the Delaware River that divides NJ and PA. I believe it runs from NE PA up in Easton, down south to Bristol, PA, and on the NJ side from Frenchtown, NJ, south to Trenton. From Trenton it branches NE and heads up toward north central NJ. The canal was used to transport various kinds of goods as well, with Trenton being in the hub of it all. There's a great website for the canal if anyone is interested - I'll dig it out of my bookmarks for you! Holly Knott in Bucks Co., Pa

Mary Jo, The "Trenton Makes, the World Takes" bridge is the northernmost of three bridges that are in close proximity of each other. It carries vehicle and foot traffic on Alternate US 1 to Pennsylvania. The middle bridge is the US 1 toll bridge for vehicle traffic and the railroad bridge is the southernmost of the three. Rich Simon At 10:05 AM 11/23/00 +1100, Mary Jo C. Martin wrote: >Dear Joy: > >There is a steel set of letters on the bridge between Trenton and >Pennsylania (similar to the Olympic rings on the Sydney Harbour Bridge in >September). It says: "Trenton Makes, the World Takes." My grandmother >remembers it always being there, so it would have to go back to the 1920s, >when she would have visited Trenton as a young girl. > >The main East Coast Amtrak train goes over that bridge, and Trenton Railway >station was a large transport center many years ago. Combine that with the >Delaware River shipping (cargo ships can go no further north than Trenton), >the southern terminuses of the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Pkwy nearby, the >fact that Rt. 95 from Maine to Florida goes just north of Trenton, and NJ's >nickname as the Garden State, despite being mainly NY and Phila suburbs >these days. You can infer that it used to be a major center for transport >of manufactured goods and garden produce. > >Hope that gives you some ideas. > >Best wishes, >Mary Jo C. Martin >Melbourne, Australia > >-----Original Message----- >From: joy.power@citicorp.com <joy.power@citicorp.com> >To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, 23 November 2000 1:19 >Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to hypothesize why my ancestors, who emigrated from > > England circa 1855, ended up in Trenton. > > > > My guess is that its future looked bright because it was centrally > > located between Philly and NYC (lots of transportation). Plus, it was > > on the Delaware River which feeds to the Atlantic Ocean - people > > probably thought that products/supplies could be easily shipped in and > > out and that the river could be used to power the industries. > > > > Am I on track? What else would have made Trenton their final > > destination? > > > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Joy > >

Dear Joy: There is a steel set of letters on the bridge between Trenton and Pennsylania (similar to the Olympic rings on the Sydney Harbour Bridge in September). It says: "Trenton Makes, the World Takes." My grandmother remembers it always being there, so it would have to go back to the 1920s, when she would have visited Trenton as a young girl. The main East Coast Amtrak train goes over that bridge, and Trenton Railway station was a large transport center many years ago. Combine that with the Delaware River shipping (cargo ships can go no further north than Trenton), the southern terminuses of the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Pkwy nearby, the fact that Rt. 95 from Maine to Florida goes just north of Trenton, and NJ's nickname as the Garden State, despite being mainly NY and Phila suburbs these days. You can infer that it used to be a major center for transport of manufactured goods and garden produce. Hope that gives you some ideas. Best wishes, Mary Jo C. Martin Melbourne, Australia -----Original Message----- From: joy.power@citicorp.com <joy.power@citicorp.com> To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 23 November 2000 1:19 Subject: Unidentified subject! > Hi, > > I am trying to hypothesize why my ancestors, who emigrated from > England circa 1855, ended up in Trenton. > > My guess is that its future looked bright because it was centrally > located between Philly and NYC (lots of transportation). Plus, it was > on the Delaware River which feeds to the Atlantic Ocean - people > probably thought that products/supplies could be easily shipped in and > out and that the river could be used to power the industries. > > Am I on track? What else would have made Trenton their final > destination? > > Thanks for any ideas, > Joy >

Joy, Trenton was the place to be. There were many industries and lots of work, including pottery and wire manufacture. The cables for the Brooklyn Bridge were made in Trenton. Lennox set up his factory there too. Cooper and Hewlett had their factory there as well. Trenton was a major competitor or with New York and Philadelphia. New York City won because of the Erie canal and the harbor that allow for more trade with the west. My grandmother's family (THORNLEY and SMITH) came from England in the late 1840's, settling in So. Trenton. Regards David David Paul Crockett Brooklyn, NY 11209 USA Email: dcrock@ibm.net -----Original Message----- From: joy.power@citicorp.com <joy.power@citicorp.com> To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: Unidentified subject! > Hi, > > I am trying to hypothesize why my ancestors, who emigrated from > England circa 1855, ended up in Trenton. > > My guess is that its future looked bright because it was centrally > located between Philly and NYC (lots of transportation). Plus, it was > on the Delaware River which feeds to the Atlantic Ocean - people > probably thought that products/supplies could be easily shipped in and > out and that the river could be used to power the industries. > > Am I on track? What else would have made Trenton their final > destination? > > Thanks for any ideas, > Joy >

Hi, I am trying to hypothesize why my ancestors, who emigrated from England circa 1855, ended up in Trenton. My guess is that its future looked bright because it was centrally located between Philly and NYC (lots of transportation). Plus, it was on the Delaware River which feeds to the Atlantic Ocean - people probably thought that products/supplies could be easily shipped in and out and that the river could be used to power the industries. Am I on track? What else would have made Trenton their final destination? Thanks for any ideas, Joy

Dear members of all my mailing lists: This is a neat site that I've recently discovered listing researchers of American Revolutionary Soldiers: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ars/ The website is a bit poorly designed, but contains very useful information for people desiring to learn more about these early Americans. Let's add all of our patriot ancestors in order to help each other. Enjoy! Mary Jo C. Martin Melbourne, Australia martinsm@ocean.com.au

Cheryl- try emailing to refdesk@njstatelib.org -------they will help ------Marie G

Not sure about this, but I use to come into the Perry St. bus station weekly back in the early '60's. Always thought it had a strong resemblance to a large stable. Martha >-----Original Message----- >From: Cheryl Natriello [mailto:jerseyties@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:56 AM >To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Livery Stable in Trenton > > >In an article in a Trenton Times newspaper dated Aug. 10, 1892 >about my ancestor, William Pippen , he is referred to as "the well-known >livery-man, of Perry Street. Would anyone happen to know of any >books in the >Trenton State Library or Archives that might have photographs of early >Trenton Businesses,possibly including Perry St.? I'd really like >to locate a >picture of his Livery Stable. -Cheryl >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. >

In an article in a Trenton Times newspaper dated Aug. 10, 1892 about my ancestor, William Pippen , he is referred to as "the well-known livery-man, of Perry Street. Would anyone happen to know of any books in the Trenton State Library or Archives that might have photographs of early Trenton Businesses,possibly including Perry St.? I'd really like to locate a picture of his Livery Stable. -Cheryl _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Looking for a description of an event which seems to have caused a lot of controversy in the past, but is quite elusive now: I have seen several references to a Joseph Reed and the allegation of cowardice against him at the Battle of Trenton. Can anyone describe the supposed act? Was he of the Hunterdon County Reeds? Many thanks to anyone familiar with this bit of historical minutia.

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------_Part_3a12b72e-023f-3eab-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would suggest that you contact the New Jersey State Department of Corrections for any old prison records. Depending on their record retention schedule, they should have a record covering your ancestors entire stay in State Prison. Most of the information in these records should be public record EXCEPT for any medical, mental health, or victim information. At the very least, you should get a record of what crime they committed, what county they were incarcerated from and a limited physical description (in case of escape). Be aware that if the record is still held by the Corrections Department, they may be too busy to fulfill a search request. If they have transferred the records to the State Archives, you may have better luck. I work for the Department of Corrections in Colorado and that is generally how it works here. I also have an ancestor who turned up in the Missouri State Correctional system in about the same time period (1913 or so) and found his information on an archival microfilm at a library. For Court records I would try the county. Beth Klingensmith Colorado Springs, CO ------_Part_3a12b72e-023f-3eab-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <NJMERCER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.23) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:53:43 -0500 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:53:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id eAF2q9C27061; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:52:09 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:52:09 -0800 X-Original-Sender: Jimmycoyot@aol.com Tue Nov 14 18:52:09 2000 From: Jimmycoyot@aol.com Message-ID: <e3.c6b3313.27435443@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:51:47 EST Subject: old criminal court/prison records Old-To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <U4iAl.A.pmG.ZpfE6@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1100 X-Loop: NJMERCER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NJMERCER-L-request@rootsweb.com It seems we might/might not have a black sheep in the family from earlier this century. Can anyone tell me where I might find old criminal court records or prison records from the 1920s or maybe 1930s for the Trenton/Mercer area? And whether those records would be public record? My ancestor is deceased, so I wouldn't be violating his privacy. Can anyone help? Thanks. Pam ------_Part_3a12b72e-023f-3eab-010203040506--

Margie - you may want to contact St Joachim's Parish in Trenton, NJ or NJ Cemetery Association - maybe some one will know the phone # s and addresses --Marie G