Susan, John Opdycke or Justice John Opdyck as I have him in my files who married Margaret Green is the son of Albert Opdyck (1685-1752) and Lysbeth "Elizabeth" possibly Ely - Albert is the son of Johannes Lawrenson Opdyck (1650-1729) and Tryntie "Catherine" (surname unknown) and Johannes is the son of Louris "Louwre" Jansen (op den Dijk) Opdyck (1606-1659 and Styntje "Christina" Stenclia Pieters - Louis was our immigrant ancestor who came from by the Zuider Zee, Hoesem (Husum), (Schleswig Holstein), Elberg Gelderland, Netherlands and died in Gravesend, Kings Co., Long Island, NY. Louris's parents were Jan Deriksen Op Den Dijk & Margaret of Elberg, Gelderland, Netherlands, son of Deric Jansen op den Dijk & Elsken Mensen, son of Jan op den Dijk (1540-1600). That's as far back as I know. There isn't a Gysbert Opdycke in this line of Opdycks that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ until much later - this Gysbert Opdyke (1762-1784)is the son of John Opdyck (1708-1790) & Mary Bragaw, son of Lawrence Opdyck (1674-17480 & Agnes, son of Johannes Lawrenson Opdyck & Tryntie "Catherine" mentioned earlier. Since the Dutch used the patronomic naming system - it makes sense that you could have a Dutch ancestor with the last name of Gysberts - since it was someone's first name originally further back the line. That doesn't mean there would be any connection whatsoever. Sort of like saying that anyone named Henry is related to anyone else named Henry. I'm familiar with the Van Kirk family that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon Co. as well. I don't have any personal connections with that family. I do know that John Van Kirk (b. abt. 1750 in Hunterdon Co.,NJ) married Elizabeth Stout, daughter of Jacob Stout and Grace Parke - Grace being the daughter of Roger Parke Jr., son of Dr. Roger Parke. I'm the lineage leader for the Parke Society for the Dr. Roger Parke line so I have a great deal of information about the Parkes out of Hopewell, Hunterdon (now Mercer) Co., NJ. Hope that helped! Susan On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:17:52 -0500 "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> writes:> Susan, > > Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know if > there > was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who > married > Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? > > I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who married > Jan > Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived in > New > Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, NY, > not far > away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved later > to > Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. > > Susan Shuler Pena > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > > I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just have > to point > one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are English > names > that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the population > would > recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a largely > English > society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their own > will or > in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but > close to > what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance > became Anna > - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent - > but starts > with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is Trintjie > Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - which > became > Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and on > - I have > tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut or > Gertrude > and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably unique > to her, > just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular > Trintjie. > Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names that > these > people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of > many of > these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson > family of > Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" > patronomic > naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in my > line > Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant > ancestor (to > New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son > Joachim > Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ with > his > wife Annetje "Anna" > Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not nicknames > in the > usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the > English were > next to unpronounceable. > > Susan Balde Avery > Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, Hunt, > Parke, > Smith (Andrew), & Stockton > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> > > > > I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate the > > > name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I > > wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar to > > > only certain areas. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> > > To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > > > > > > By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search > > > phrases > > r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs > like > > harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. > > However, > > ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than > accepting > > stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always > > intuitive > > o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. > > Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues > for > > solving > > ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please > > click on > > he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent > > > of > > artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, > the > > wife > > f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the > > > daughter > > f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, > New > > York. > > http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf > > For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, > please > > see... > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/questions.htm > > > > > Somehow your Dutch cousin, > > Perry > > Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > > ww.perry.streeter.com > > > > > > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > > body of > > he message > > > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >