Kay, if you had put that comment on facebook, I would definitely have "liked" it. Marfy *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ * On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, <kaysfo@aol.com> wrote: > > It wouldn't in a sense bother me either. The nasty surprise is in > thinking that one has everything nailed down with a well -documented paper > trail, and then finding out that a whole line of your family isn't your > family. And where do you start to redo a whole line. Can you tell how far > back the "non-parental episode" happened. > > If ggg-grandma had a child that did not belong to gg-grandpa, how could > you tell if it was the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> > To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 1:24 pm > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA > > > And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some > eally nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an > nknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. > We call those non-parental episodes. There will also be fifth cousins from > nother race who were sired by our illustrious slave owning males. That > doesn't > other me, I welcome that knowledge, but it will some people. One of the > articipants in a DNA project I administer wrote me to tell me he'd found > out > hat only one of his four brothers was actually sired by the man who raised > hem. > > _______________________________ > From: "kaysfo@aol.com" <kaysfo@aol.com> > o: njhunter@rootsweb.com > ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:05 AM > ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA > > Yes, I found a female third cousin online descended from one of my New > England > ines. We became regular correspondents over a ten year period (and > ister/cousins/ best friends). She had a male first cousin who still bore > the > ame. He consented to be tested. What the DNA showed upended a lot of > previous > esearch on that line. We had tried to prove our contentions with a paper > rail, which was pretty much ignored, but when combined with the DNA, it > opened > yes and provided proof which could not be ignored. > I am certain that DNA testing is going to really, in many cases, muddy the > aters considerably for the next fifty years or so. People are really > going to > ave to hit the research trail in earnest and seek out those primary > sources, > ecause a lot of the "facts" in the kinds of books we have been talking > about > re going to be proven erroneous. Many people will have to start from > scratch so > o speak. > > nd I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really > nasty > urprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown > illegitmate > irth or an adoption that occured generations ago. > Kay > > ----Original Message----- > rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> > o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am > ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA > > f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to > u. > rothers > cles > eat Uncles > hat if the great uncles are no longer living? > n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line > rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward > sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and > ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only > ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line > forward > r 5 > nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, > shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a > match > th > ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor > upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. > t isn't easy research but it can be done. > > a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > san.avery@juno.com writes: > arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be > sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a > n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne > me, not the Stout name. > usan Avery > n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> > ites: > n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, > e > s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m > Marjorie, > > The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant > from > Richard Stout. > > You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another > tout > descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to > prove. > > Marleen Van Horne > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > he quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > he quotes in the subject and the body of the message > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ----------------------------- > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > e subject > d the body of the message > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ----------------------------- > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > e message > > > ----Original Message----- > rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> > o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am > ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA > > f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to > u. > rothers > cles > eat Uncles > hat if the great uncles are no longer living? > n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line > rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward > sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and > ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only > ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line > forward > r 5 > nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, > shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a > match > th > ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor > upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. > t isn't easy research but it can be done. > > a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > san.avery@juno.com writes: > arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be > sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a > n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne > me, not the Stout name. > usan Avery > n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> > ites: > n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, > e > s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m > Marjorie, > > The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant > from > Richard Stout. > > You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another > tout > descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to > prove. > > Marleen Van Horne > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > he quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > he quotes in the subject and the body of the message > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ----------------------------- > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > e subject > d the body of the message > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ----------------------------- > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > e message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

LOL, Marfy. -----Original Message----- From: Marfy Goodspeed <marfyg@gmail.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Kay, if you had put that comment on facebook, I would definitely have liked" it. arfy Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** oodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ n Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, <kaysfo@aol.com> wrote: > It wouldn't in a sense bother me either. The nasty surprise is in thinking that one has everything nailed down with a well -documented paper trail, and then finding out that a whole line of your family isn't your family. And where do you start to redo a whole line. Can you tell how far back the "non-parental episode" happened. If ggg-grandma had a child that did not belong to gg-grandpa, how could you tell if it was the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker? -----Original Message----- From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some eally nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an nknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. We call those non-parental episodes. There will also be fifth cousins from nother race who were sired by our illustrious slave owning males. That doesn't other me, I welcome that knowledge, but it will some people. One of the articipants in a DNA project I administer wrote me to tell me he'd found out hat only one of his four brothers was actually sired by the man who raised hem. _______________________________ From: "kaysfo@aol.com" <kaysfo@aol.com> o: njhunter@rootsweb.com ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:05 AM ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Yes, I found a female third cousin online descended from one of my New England ines. We became regular correspondents over a ten year period (and ister/cousins/ best friends). She had a male first cousin who still bore the ame. He consented to be tested. What the DNA showed upended a lot of previous esearch on that line. We had tried to prove our contentions with a paper rail, which was pretty much ignored, but when combined with the DNA, it opened yes and provided proof which could not be ignored. I am certain that DNA testing is going to really, in many cases, muddy the aters considerably for the next fifty years or so. People are really going to ave to hit the research trail in earnest and seek out those primary sources, ecause a lot of the "facts" in the kinds of books we have been talking about re going to be proven erroneous. Many people will have to start from scratch so o speak. nd I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really nasty urprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown illegitmate irth or an adoption that occured generations ago. Kay ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message