My "Dutch ancestor" was really a French Huguenot hiding out from the Inquisition, but he arrived over here via the "New Netherlands" with his family under the auspices of the Dutch West Indies Company. I expect many of your (really) Dutch ancestors arrived the same way. Alberta James Daw On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:43 AM, susan.avery@juno.com wrote: > Susan, > John Opdycke or Justice John Opdyck as I have him in my files who > married Margaret Green is the son of Albert Opdyck (1685-1752) and > Lysbeth "Elizabeth" possibly Ely - Albert is the son of Johannes > Lawrenson Opdyck (1650-1729) and Tryntie "Catherine" (surname unknown) > and Johannes is the son of Louris "Louwre" Jansen (op den Dijk) Opdyck > (1606-1659 and Styntje "Christina" Stenclia Pieters - Louis was our > immigrant ancestor who came from by the Zuider Zee, Hoesem (Husum), > (Schleswig Holstein), Elberg Gelderland, Netherlands and died in > Gravesend, Kings Co., Long Island, NY. Louris's parents were Jan > Deriksen Op Den Dijk & Margaret of Elberg, Gelderland, Netherlands, > son > of Deric Jansen op den Dijk & Elsken Mensen, son of Jan op den Dijk > (1540-1600). That's as far back as I know. > > There isn't a Gysbert Opdycke in this line of Opdycks that came to > Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ until much later - this Gysbert Opdyke > (1762-1784)is the son of John Opdyck (1708-1790) & Mary Bragaw, > son of > Lawrence Opdyck (1674-17480 & Agnes, son of Johannes Lawrenson > Opdyck & > Tryntie "Catherine" mentioned earlier. > > Since the Dutch used the patronomic naming system - it makes sense > that you could have a Dutch ancestor with the last name of Gysberts - > since it was someone's first name originally further back the > line. That > doesn't mean there would be any connection whatsoever. Sort of like > saying that anyone named Henry is related to anyone else named Henry. > I'm familiar with the Van Kirk family that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon > Co. as well. I don't have any personal connections with that > family. I > do know that John Van Kirk (b. abt. 1750 in Hunterdon Co.,NJ) married > Elizabeth Stout, daughter of Jacob Stout and Grace Parke - Grace being > the daughter of Roger Parke Jr., son of Dr. Roger Parke. I'm the > lineage > leader for the Parke Society for the Dr. Roger Parke line so I have a > great deal of information about the Parkes out of Hopewell, Hunterdon > (now Mercer) Co., NJ. > > Hope that helped! > > Susan > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:17:52 -0500 "Susan Pena" > <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> writes:> Susan, >> >> Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know if >> there >> was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who >> married >> Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? >> >> I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who married >> Jan >> Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived in >> New >> Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, NY, >> not far >> away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved later >> to >> Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. >> >> Susan Shuler Pena >> Texas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM >> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents >> >> I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just have >> to point >> one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are English >> names >> that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the population >> would >> recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a largely >> English >> society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their own >> will or >> in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but >> close to >> what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance >> became Anna >> - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent - >> but starts >> with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is Trintjie >> Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - which >> became >> Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and on >> - I have >> tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut or >> Gertrude >> and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably unique >> to her, >> just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular >> Trintjie. >> Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names that >> these >> people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of >> many of >> these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson >> family of >> Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" >> patronomic >> naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in my >> line >> Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant >> ancestor (to >> New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son >> Joachim >> Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ with >> his >> wife Annetje "Anna" >> Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not nicknames >> in the >> usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the >> English were >> next to unpronounceable. >> >> Susan Balde Avery >> Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, Hunt, >> Parke, >> Smith (Andrew), & Stockton >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> >>> >>> I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate the >> >>> name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I >>> wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar to >> >>> only certain areas. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> >>> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents >>> >>> >>> By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search >> >>> phrases >>> r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs >> like >>> harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. >>> However, >>> ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than >> accepting >>> stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always >>> intuitive >>> o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. >>> Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues >> for >>> solving >>> ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please >>> click on >>> he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent >> >>> of >>> artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, >> the >>> wife >>> f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the >> >>> daughter >>> f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, >> New >>> York. >>> http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf >>> For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, >> please >>> see... >>> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/ > questions.htm >> >>> >>> Somehow your Dutch cousin, >>> Perry >>> Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) >>> ww.perry.streeter.com >>> >>> >>> isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com >>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the >>> body of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message