And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. We call those non-parental episodes.  There will also be fifth cousins from another race who were sired by our illustrious slave owning males.  That doesn't bother me, I welcome that knowledge,  but it will some people.  One of the participants in a DNA project I administer wrote me to tell me he'd found out that only one of his four brothers was actually sired by the man who raised them.  ________________________________ From: "kaysfo@aol.com" <kaysfo@aol.com> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Yes, I found a female third cousin online descended from one of my New England lines.  We became regular correspondents over a ten year period (and sister/cousins/ best friends). She had a male first cousin who still bore the name.  He consented to be tested.  What the DNA showed upended a lot of previous research on that line.  We had tried to prove our contentions with a paper trail, which was pretty much ignored, but when combined with the DNA, it opened eyes and provided proof which could not be ignored. I am certain that DNA testing is going to really, in many cases, muddy the waters considerably for the next fifty years or so.  People are really going to have to hit the research trail in earnest and seek out those primary sources, because a lot of the "facts" in the kinds of books we have been talking about are going to be proven erroneous. Many people will have to start from scratch so to speak. And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. Kay -----Original Message----- From: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA If you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male  Stout to ou. rothers ncles reat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line  orn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward using census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and bituaries when  I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only aughters in a  generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward or 5 enerations  and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, ashington. I convinced one  to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match ith hree other distant  Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor n upstate New York  about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. n a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  usan.avery@juno.com writes: Marilyn  - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order  to be ested - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is  a an Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van  Horne ame, not the Stout name. Susan Avery On Fri, 30 Mar  2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore  <scarlett1@mchsi.com> rites: On 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen  Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, he is 48, lives here  in my town, how do I begin? m > Marjorie, > >  The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant   from > Richard Stout. > > You could do an  atDNA test and hope for a match with another Stout >  descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to   prove. > > Marleen Van Horne > Visit the  Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:   http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page  at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:  ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in he subject nd the body of the  message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message -----Original Message----- From: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA If you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male  Stout to ou. rothers ncles reat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line  orn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward using census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and bituaries when  I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only aughters in a  generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward or 5 enerations  and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, ashington. I convinced one  to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match ith hree other distant  Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor n upstate New York  about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. n a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  usan.avery@juno.com writes: Marilyn  - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order  to be ested - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is  a an Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van  Horne ame, not the Stout name. Susan Avery On Fri, 30 Mar  2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore  <scarlett1@mchsi.com> rites: On 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen  Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, he is 48, lives here  in my town, how do I begin? m > Marjorie, > >  The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant   from > Richard Stout. > > You could do an  atDNA test and hope for a match with another Stout >  descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to   prove. > > Marleen Van Horne > Visit the  Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:   http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page  at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:  ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in he subject nd the body of the  message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It wouldn't in a sense bother me either. The nasty surprise is in thinking that one has everything nailed down with a well -documented paper trail, and then finding out that a whole line of your family isn't your family. And where do you start to redo a whole line. Can you tell how far back the "non-parental episode" happened. If ggg-grandma had a child that did not belong to gg-grandpa, how could you tell if it was the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker? -----Original Message----- From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some eally nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an nknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. We call those non-parental episodes. There will also be fifth cousins from nother race who were sired by our illustrious slave owning males. That doesn't other me, I welcome that knowledge, but it will some people. One of the articipants in a DNA project I administer wrote me to tell me he'd found out hat only one of his four brothers was actually sired by the man who raised hem. _______________________________ From: "kaysfo@aol.com" <kaysfo@aol.com> o: njhunter@rootsweb.com ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:05 AM ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Yes, I found a female third cousin online descended from one of my New England ines. We became regular correspondents over a ten year period (and ister/cousins/ best friends). She had a male first cousin who still bore the ame. He consented to be tested. What the DNA showed upended a lot of previous esearch on that line. We had tried to prove our contentions with a paper rail, which was pretty much ignored, but when combined with the DNA, it opened yes and provided proof which could not be ignored. I am certain that DNA testing is going to really, in many cases, muddy the aters considerably for the next fifty years or so. People are really going to ave to hit the research trail in earnest and seek out those primary sources, ecause a lot of the "facts" in the kinds of books we have been talking about re going to be proven erroneous. Many people will have to start from scratch so o speak. nd I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really nasty urprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown illegitmate irth or an adoption that occured generations ago. Kay ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message