On 3/30/2012 3:16 PM, Marfy Goodspeed wrote: Thanks again! If we work another 40 years on this family; we may get the answers we seek!!! marjorie > Couldn't agree more. > Marfy > *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** > Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ > * > > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jack Fallin<jakff@astound.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Although I do not have any Stout links, I've followed this discussion with >> interest. At one point, someone pointed out that the lack of original >> source references is a problem with internet research. The problem is much >> larger than that. The book cited by Nancy in her note is perhaps late >> enough (1970) to have included the primary sources for the information the >> author gives, although those sources don't appear in the quoted section. >> It was far more common in earlier "Family" genealogical books to provide >> absolutely no reference to the primary sources. It was as if the >> researcher, convinced of his or her own skills, expected the work to always >> be accepted as gospel. The result creates two separate problems: >> >> 1. The book may be wrong -- but because it doesn't provide a means for >> directly checking against a primary source, the reader is left with the >> very difficult task of going back and finding/guessing what the author used. >> >> 2. Perhaps worse, the existence of the book tends to dry up original >> research by giving the perhaps false impression that all the necessary work >> has been done so family members should just assume everything it says is >> right. >> >> Although not a Stout, we Holcombe researchers have the above described >> problem in spades. We actually have two books (one very large and >> seemingly comprehensive) that seem to cover the whole field -- but there is >> not a primary source reference anywhere in either one. >> >> Jack Fallin >> Walnut Creek, CA >> >> On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Nancy Willis wrote: >> >>> My family had connections to these Stouts and my information comes from >> the second edition of 'Stout and Allied Families' 1970, Compiled and Edited >> by Herald F. Stout, Read Admiral, United States navy (Retired). >>> My connection is much further down the line in Indiana I think. >>> >>> In it he does relate the story of Penelope Van Princin. He ways it is >> difficult to tell how much of the history is fact and how much is legend. >> He also mentions the Kent or (Lent) >>> He says: "'Marriages before 1699' records Richard Stout and Penelope >> Kent (or Lent), widow of Van Printzen 1634/35. He says that date is in >> error (at least biologically) is evident on an examinatioin of the other >> data available. Reasonably, from known vital statistics, Penelope could not >> have been born until 1622, and a second marriage at age fourteen years of >> age would be highly unlikely. Also, since the last child of this union was >> not born until 1669, tis would serve to fortify the contentioin for >> correctness of a 1622 birthdate." >>> The book appears well researched. >>> I have come across over the years the story of Penelope's survival in >> other places but as the author says no way to know fact or legend. >>> Nancy Willis >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >