Susan, In the book "Hopewell Friends History 1734-1934 Frederick County, Virginia" ISBN 0-8063-0652-1 Has this reference WHITACRE-M'KAY Robert Whitacre, of the County of Louden (Loudoun) and State of Virginia, son of John Whitacre, deceased and Naomi his Wife of the County and State aforesaid, and Patience M'Kay, daughter of Andrew M'Kay and Jane his Wife of the County of Frederick and State aforesaid: 11 day of 11th month, 1789: at Crooked Run. (Crooked Run was the name of that "Meeting House" By this you can tell that in 1789 your John Whitacre was dead and left a widow Naomi who had not remarried. Which means she was probably living with this son or one of her other sons as a woman would not be alone in 1789. She could not survive without assistance. Witnesses who signed this Marriage Certificate: number 47 people. When the witnesses signed there were four columns... one for the Husbands family, (the one on the far right was for the Husbands family.... in that one are listed these Whitacres - Benj. Whitacre, Caleb Whitacre and Phebe Whitacre plus 9 others who were some way related to him) The next column to the left was for the Wife's relatives, the next to the left was other relatives and the fourth to the left was for other persons, relatives, neighbors, and guests, frequently some not Friends (as the Quakers were called.) In the index there are 16 Whitacre's mentioned. But none are George. If you want copies of these pages, please e-mail me off the list at calj@bright.net. The book also contains a early map of Hopewell and all the surrounding meetings. The Fairfax meeting was NW of Leesburg VA and west of the Potomac River where it bends and runs north and south. Cinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER]Kingwood MM Quaker > Cindi, > > Since you know so much about the Quakers, especially in Virginia, you > wouldn't have any information on the Whitacre/Whitaker, especially John > Whitacre who married Naomi Hulme, would you? He was born in Bucks Co., > PA, lived in Kingwood, NJ (1756) and later moved to Loudoun Co., VA. They > had a son, George who married Ruth Wilson and they were part of the > Fairfax MM and the Goose Creek Friends MM. Goose Creek Friends MM is in > Lincoln, Loudoun Co., VA (today) but I am not sure if Fairfax MM was in NJ > or not. Possibly. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cinda Justice" <calj@bright.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr > ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > >> Roz, >> Hopewell Meeting was a major Quaker group. And the interesting thing >> about it was that when folks moved away they began another group and >> called it Hopewell. You will find many locations in many states with the >> same name that held Quaker meetings (i.e. Hopewell Friends of Frederick >> Co. VA came from NJ). Their early "churches" were always called >> "Meetings" and the records for Quakers are wonderful but you need some >> help learning to read them. There are many books out there that give >> direction and help but the one I like is Our Quaker Ancestors by Ellen >> Thomas Berry and David Allen Berry written in 1966. Later when the >> Methodist faith was gathering momentum in the US, they also called there >> worship "Meetings". Many Quakers became Methodist in the early 1800's as >> they moved west and south. The largest collection of these Quaker >> records is housed at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore, >> Pennsylvania. A few things to remember about them is: all their children >> were taught to read and write, they married by standing in front of >> their members and reciting their own made up vows (so often there is no >> record except in the Quaker records), and early, they did not believe in >> having monuments placed on graves (so it is often difficult to find them >> in cemeteries). One neat thing about them was each meeting had a recorder >> and they kept track of when a person left their group and where they >> went. And if they came to a new "meeting" they would tell from whence >> they came. They listed all the attendants at a wedding and they gave the >> names of those disowned and why. >> I have found it very helpful to "fill in" information about the time my >> ancestors lived by searching for and reading histories of the US written >> before 1900. I like the one written by Ridpath. >> Good hunting, >> Cinda >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> >> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:46 PM >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >> Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >> >> >>> Dane, >>> >>> Again very interesting... >>> >>> The Amanda Jane KIER who married (1862) the BELLIS in Highland Co OH >>> also >>> descended from the STOUTs of Hopewell, Hunterdon Co NJ: Rebecca STOUT >>> who >>> married Ralph DRAKE. >>> >>> I'm only now beginning to become educated on the Dunker (...and Quaker?) >>> movement from NJ to VA/PA...and then to KY which is where my central >>> interest lies in terms of busting my genealogical brick walls. Thus far >>> my >>> research has been focusing primarily on KY/NJ/PA Census and Land >>> acquisition >>> records in trying to figure all this out--not only of my direct >>> ancestors >>> but their neighbors and close associates as well. Only recently have I >>> been >>> paying attention to religious history/affiliation mainly out of >>> necessity >>> due to ambiguities and gaps in the Census & Land data. For about two >>> years >>> I have been uncovering clues which could suggest my Philip BELLIS's "as >>> yet" >>> identified parents may have been associated with either DUNKERs or >>> QUAKERs...or BAPTISTs. >>> >>> If Andrew BELLIS was a DUNKER or QUAKER would be a significant piece of >>> data. >>> >>> Thank you again! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:58 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >>> Andr >>> ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >>> >>> Good question! >>> >>> The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several >>> publications >>> of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was >>> one.) >>> The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original >>> settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell >>> ancestors >>> (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their >>> STOUT >>> cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. >>> >>> The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed >>> property >>> owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for >>> corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). >>> Gideon >>> lived in or near Reaville. >>> >>> Dane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >>> Andrew >>> BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >>> >>> Dane, >>> >>> Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS >>> homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's >>> brother >>> William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the >>> father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now >>> lives..." >>> and map out this area. >>> >>> But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions >>> that >>> Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a >>> Quaker >>> meeting house? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Roz, >>> >>> Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. >>> The >>> Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within >>> those >>> limits. >>> >>> This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis >>> or >>> one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly >>> after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known >>> as >>> the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: >>> William, >>> who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went >>> to >>> Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to >>> Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." >>> >>> http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html >>> >>> Dane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Dane, >>> >>> This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the >>> meaning >>> of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are >>> saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located >>> in >>> what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I >>> won't >>> start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. >>> >>> Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I >>> presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of >>> Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence >>> with a >>> descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who >>> married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy >>> (VanKIRK) >>> DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question >>> is: >>> who was the father of George BELLIS. >>> >>> All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of >>> Selters >>> (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa >>> 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong >>> to >>> immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS >>> Homestead" >>> located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been >>> accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE >>> bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away >>> from >>> Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... >>> >>> Thanks for your reply! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of >>> the >>> Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the >>> "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the >>> property >>> as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of >>> 15 >>> years on Broad St. Hopewell. >>> >>> Dane Coefer >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis >>> farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in >>> the >>> November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading >>> "HOPEWELL": >>> >>> "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on >>> Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the >>> adjoining >>> lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot >>> in >>> East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, >>> and >>> the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. >>> DRAKE. >>> Fair prices were obtained for all." >>> >>> I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" >>> located >>> along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different >>> Bellis >>> property. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >>> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> >>> ============================== >>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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