Hi list, I would like to thank all the kind people who have answered and helped. From what I have gathered on here I have decided on taking another tack. This is Helen's family that I am helping her with and family history says she came to MI when she was 3 years old and that she said her parents were Jonathan Pickel and Hannah. In the back of my mind it has always been a doubt and question why would a 3 year old from a good substantial family be going to MI without her parents. The person who found Elizabeth Pickel living nearby and who m John Mann was a Godsend. This Elizabeth and husband John Mann were witnesses at Carrie's marriage to Truman Curtis. Now, is this Elizabeth a sister of cousin? Why would this Elizabeth be from NJ and living so close to Carrie? That is the next mountain to climb. I believe now that Carrie is NOT the dau of Jonathan of Alexandria but another Pickel who migrated to MI in 1836 (if this date is correct). Back to the drawing board. :( Dot