Either that, or fly to Australia so you can look "in the middle of the night" at 5pm! Regards, Mary Jo Sent from Samsung mobile Marfy Goodspeed <marfyg@gmail.com> wrote: >And keep in mind that most online sources for that 1940 census will be all >tied up from so many people trying to get a look. Might as well wait til >the excitement dies down. >Marfy >*Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >* > > >On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Kim Golding <kg@nventure.com> wrote: > >> I am also excited about next week, but less excited about the fact that >> they won't be indexed by surname (initially). >> >> Kim Golding >> Tacoma >> >> On 3/25/2012 9:24 AM, Julie & Kevin wrote: >> > https://the1940census.com/ >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that >> the >> > person answering the questions is noted. I >> > often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? >> Looking >> > forward to next week.. >> > Enjoy , >> > Julie B in NC >> > >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jack, And perhaps you also discovered that "Theunis" is the nickname for "Antheunis" which -- in Dutch -- is the equivalent of "Anthony". So your "Theunis" was a "Tony" :-). I, too, first uncovered my own ancestor, Tunis Hagerman, in Kentucky. On his marriage bond in 1840 his name was spelled "Toonis". Dorothy >Dear List, > >Not all conversions were directly to a common English name. I was >completely mystified when I first came across the given name >"Tunis." The best I could do was a guess that it had something to >do with our little war against the Barbary Pirates ("the shores of >Tripoli"). Well, through my Quick line (coming from Naarden to >Nieuw Amsterdam before 1640), I learned that the original was >"Theunis." > >Jack > > >On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:57 PM, susan.avery@juno.com wrote: > >> I do have a few French Huguenot family lines that came in with the Dutch >> to the New Netherlands/New Amsterdam (Long Island) in the 1600s. - >> Pierre Grisant/Croisson/Cresson/Creson & Rachel Claus (Cloos, Claes) and >> Jacques Foucher/Foulquier/Furches but I also have several Dutch lines as >> well - Opdycks (op den Dijk) & Pieters , Andriessens (became Anderson) & >> Jans, Gerritzen's, Hendricksen/Hendricks, Brouwers (which became Brower), >> Harmeus/Harmens, and more..... >> >> Susan >> >> > > >Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear List, Not all conversions were directly to a common English name. I was completely mystified when I first came across the given name "Tunis." The best I could do was a guess that it had something to do with our little war against the Barbary Pirates ("the shores of Tripoli"). Well, through my Quick line (coming from Naarden to Nieuw Amsterdam before 1640), I learned that the original was "Theunis." Jack On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:57 PM, susan.avery@juno.com wrote: > I do have a few French Huguenot family lines that came in with the Dutch > to the New Netherlands/New Amsterdam (Long Island) in the 1600s. - > Pierre Grisant/Croisson/Cresson/Creson & Rachel Claus (Cloos, Claes) and > Jacques Foucher/Foulquier/Furches but I also have several Dutch lines as > well - Opdycks (op den Dijk) & Pieters , Andriessens (became Anderson) & > Jans, Gerritzen's, Hendricksen/Hendricks, Brouwers (which became Brower), > Harmeus/Harmens, and more..... > > Susan > >
For those that would like to help index the 1940 census, go to familysearch.org where you can sign up. They have indexing software to download, and indexers will have the census available to them. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Annette Eubank <annetteeubank@yahoo.com> wrote: > Although the surnames haven't been indexed yet, if you know your ancestors' enumeration districts (for those who stayed put decade after decade) you can still find their 1940 census information by going to their ED and searching. > > > If you don't know their ED, go to www.stevemorse.org and look at the sidebar on the left. Go to US Census, and you'll find a drop-down list with 1880-1940 Census ED Finder, maps, Changed Street Names, and even a tutorial for the 1940 census. > > Mary Jo - blow up the air mattresses, we're on our way! > > > ________________________________ > From: Mary Jo C. Martin <mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] 1940 Census > > Either that, or fly to Australia so you can look "in the middle of the night" at 5pm! Regards, Mary Jo > > Sent from Samsung mobile > > Marfy Goodspeed <marfyg@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And keep in mind that most online sources for that 1940 census will be all >> tied up from so many people trying to get a look. Might as well wait til >> the excitement dies down. >> Marfy >> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >> * >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Kim Golding <kg@nventure.com> wrote: >> >>> I am also excited about next week, but less excited about the fact that >>> they won't be indexed by surname (initially). >>> >>> Kim Golding >>> Tacoma >>> >>> On 3/25/2012 9:24 AM, Julie & Kevin wrote: >>>> https://the1940census.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that >>> the >>>> person answering the questions is noted. I >>>> often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? >>> Looking >>>> forward to next week.. >>>> Enjoy , >>>> Julie B in NC >>>> >>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Although the surnames haven't been indexed yet, if you know your ancestors' enumeration districts (for those who stayed put decade after decade) you can still find their 1940 census information by going to their ED and searching. If you don't know their ED, go to www.stevemorse.org and look at the sidebar on the left. Go to US Census, and you'll find a drop-down list with 1880-1940 Census ED Finder, maps, Changed Street Names, and even a tutorial for the 1940 census. Mary Jo - blow up the air mattresses, we're on our way! ________________________________ From: Mary Jo C. Martin <mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] 1940 Census Either that, or fly to Australia so you can look "in the middle of the night" at 5pm! Regards, Mary Jo Sent from Samsung mobile Marfy Goodspeed <marfyg@gmail.com> wrote: >And keep in mind that most online sources for that 1940 census will be all >tied up from so many people trying to get a look. Might as well wait til >the excitement dies down. >Marfy >*Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >* > > >On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Kim Golding <kg@nventure.com> wrote: > >> I am also excited about next week, but less excited about the fact that >> they won't be indexed by surname (initially). >> >> Kim Golding >> Tacoma >> >> On 3/25/2012 9:24 AM, Julie & Kevin wrote: >> > https://the1940census.com/ >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that >> the >> > person answering the questions is noted. I >> > often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? >> Looking >> > forward to next week.. >> > Enjoy , >> > Julie B in NC >> > >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I do have a few French Huguenot family lines that came in with the Dutch to the New Netherlands/New Amsterdam (Long Island) in the 1600s. - Pierre Grisant/Croisson/Cresson/Creson & Rachel Claus (Cloos, Claes) and Jacques Foucher/Foulquier/Furches but I also have several Dutch lines as well - Opdycks (op den Dijk) & Pieters , Andriessens (became Anderson) & Jans, Gerritzen's, Hendricksen/Hendricks, Brouwers (which became Brower), Harmeus/Harmens, and more..... Susan On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:42:44 -0500 Alberta James Daw <ajdaw@swbell.net> writes: > My "Dutch ancestor" was really a French Huguenot hiding out from the > > Inquisition, but he arrived over here via the "New Netherlands" with > > his family under the auspices of the Dutch West Indies Company. > I expect many of your (really) Dutch ancestors arrived the same > way. > Alberta James Daw > On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:43 AM, susan.avery@juno.com wrote: > > > Susan, > > John Opdycke or Justice John Opdyck as I have him in my files > who > > married Margaret Green is the son of Albert Opdyck (1685-1752) > and > > Lysbeth "Elizabeth" possibly Ely - Albert is the son of Johannes > > Lawrenson Opdyck (1650-1729) and Tryntie "Catherine" (surname > unknown) > > and Johannes is the son of Louris "Louwre" Jansen (op den Dijk) > Opdyck > > (1606-1659 and Styntje "Christina" Stenclia Pieters - Louis was > our > > immigrant ancestor who came from by the Zuider Zee, Hoesem > (Husum), > > (Schleswig Holstein), Elberg Gelderland, Netherlands and died in > > Gravesend, Kings Co., Long Island, NY. Louris's parents were Jan > > Deriksen Op Den Dijk & Margaret of Elberg, Gelderland, > Netherlands, > > son > > of Deric Jansen op den Dijk & Elsken Mensen, son of Jan op den > Dijk > > (1540-1600). That's as far back as I know. > > > > There isn't a Gysbert Opdycke in this line of Opdycks that > came to > > Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ until much later - this Gysbert > Opdyke > > (1762-1784)is the son of John Opdyck (1708-1790) & Mary Bragaw, > > > son of > > Lawrence Opdyck (1674-17480 & Agnes, son of Johannes Lawrenson > > Opdyck & > > Tryntie "Catherine" mentioned earlier. > > > > Since the Dutch used the patronomic naming system - it makes > sense > > that you could have a Dutch ancestor with the last name of > Gysberts - > > since it was someone's first name originally further back the > > line. That > > doesn't mean there would be any connection whatsoever. Sort of > like > > saying that anyone named Henry is related to anyone else named > Henry. > > I'm familiar with the Van Kirk family that came to Hopewell, > Hunterdon > > Co. as well. I don't have any personal connections with that > > family. I > > do know that John Van Kirk (b. abt. 1750 in Hunterdon Co.,NJ) > married > > Elizabeth Stout, daughter of Jacob Stout and Grace Parke - Grace > being > > the daughter of Roger Parke Jr., son of Dr. Roger Parke. I'm the > > > lineage > > leader for the Parke Society for the Dr. Roger Parke line so I > have a > > great deal of information about the Parkes out of Hopewell, > Hunterdon > > (now Mercer) Co., NJ. > > > > Hope that helped! > > > > Susan > > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:17:52 -0500 "Susan Pena" > > <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> writes:> Susan, > >> > >> Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know > if > >> there > >> was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who > >> married > >> Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? > >> > >> I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who > married > >> Jan > >> Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived > in > >> New > >> Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, > NY, > >> not far > >> away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved > later > >> to > >> Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. > >> > >> Susan Shuler Pena > >> Texas > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com > >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM > >> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > >> Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > >> > >> I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just > have > >> to point > >> one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are > English > >> names > >> that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the > population > >> would > >> recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a > largely > >> English > >> society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their > own > >> will or > >> in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but > >> close to > >> what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance > >> became Anna > >> - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent > - > >> but starts > >> with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is > Trintjie > >> Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - > which > >> became > >> Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and > on > >> - I have > >> tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut > or > >> Gertrude > >> and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably > unique > >> to her, > >> just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular > >> Trintjie. > >> Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names > that > >> these > >> people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of > >> many of > >> these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson > >> family of > >> Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" > >> patronomic > >> naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in > my > >> line > >> Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant > >> ancestor (to > >> New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son > >> Joachim > >> Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ > with > >> his > >> wife Annetje "Anna" > >> Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not > nicknames > >> in the > >> usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the > >> English were > >> next to unpronounceable. > >> > >> Susan Balde Avery > >> Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, > Hunt, > >> Parke, > >> Smith (Andrew), & Stockton > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> > >>> > >>> I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate > the > >> > >>> name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I > >>> wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar > to > >> > >>> only certain areas. > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> > >>> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm > >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > >>> > >>> > >>> By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar > search > >> > >>> phrases > >>> r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs > >> like > >>> harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. > >>> However, > >>> ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than > >> accepting > >>> stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not > always > >>> intuitive > >>> o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. > >>> Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important > clues > >> for > >>> solving > >>> ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, > please > >>> click on > >>> he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch > equivalent > >> > >>> of > >>> artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying > Martha, > >> the > >>> wife > >>> f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as > the > >> > >>> daughter > >>> f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, > >> New > >>> York. > >>> http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf > >>> For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, > >> please > >>> see... > >>> > >> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/ > > questions.htm > >> > >>> > >>> Somehow your Dutch cousin, > >>> Perry > >>> Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > >>> ww.perry.streeter.com > >>> > >>> > >>> isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > >>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > >> the > >>> body of > >>> he message > >>> > >>> > >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ~njhunter > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
My "Dutch ancestor" was really a French Huguenot hiding out from the Inquisition, but he arrived over here via the "New Netherlands" with his family under the auspices of the Dutch West Indies Company. I expect many of your (really) Dutch ancestors arrived the same way. Alberta James Daw On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:43 AM, susan.avery@juno.com wrote: > Susan, > John Opdycke or Justice John Opdyck as I have him in my files who > married Margaret Green is the son of Albert Opdyck (1685-1752) and > Lysbeth "Elizabeth" possibly Ely - Albert is the son of Johannes > Lawrenson Opdyck (1650-1729) and Tryntie "Catherine" (surname unknown) > and Johannes is the son of Louris "Louwre" Jansen (op den Dijk) Opdyck > (1606-1659 and Styntje "Christina" Stenclia Pieters - Louis was our > immigrant ancestor who came from by the Zuider Zee, Hoesem (Husum), > (Schleswig Holstein), Elberg Gelderland, Netherlands and died in > Gravesend, Kings Co., Long Island, NY. Louris's parents were Jan > Deriksen Op Den Dijk & Margaret of Elberg, Gelderland, Netherlands, > son > of Deric Jansen op den Dijk & Elsken Mensen, son of Jan op den Dijk > (1540-1600). That's as far back as I know. > > There isn't a Gysbert Opdycke in this line of Opdycks that came to > Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ until much later - this Gysbert Opdyke > (1762-1784)is the son of John Opdyck (1708-1790) & Mary Bragaw, > son of > Lawrence Opdyck (1674-17480 & Agnes, son of Johannes Lawrenson > Opdyck & > Tryntie "Catherine" mentioned earlier. > > Since the Dutch used the patronomic naming system - it makes sense > that you could have a Dutch ancestor with the last name of Gysberts - > since it was someone's first name originally further back the > line. That > doesn't mean there would be any connection whatsoever. Sort of like > saying that anyone named Henry is related to anyone else named Henry. > I'm familiar with the Van Kirk family that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon > Co. as well. I don't have any personal connections with that > family. I > do know that John Van Kirk (b. abt. 1750 in Hunterdon Co.,NJ) married > Elizabeth Stout, daughter of Jacob Stout and Grace Parke - Grace being > the daughter of Roger Parke Jr., son of Dr. Roger Parke. I'm the > lineage > leader for the Parke Society for the Dr. Roger Parke line so I have a > great deal of information about the Parkes out of Hopewell, Hunterdon > (now Mercer) Co., NJ. > > Hope that helped! > > Susan > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:17:52 -0500 "Susan Pena" > <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> writes:> Susan, >> >> Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know if >> there >> was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who >> married >> Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? >> >> I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who married >> Jan >> Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived in >> New >> Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, NY, >> not far >> away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved later >> to >> Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. >> >> Susan Shuler Pena >> Texas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM >> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents >> >> I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just have >> to point >> one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are English >> names >> that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the population >> would >> recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a largely >> English >> society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their own >> will or >> in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but >> close to >> what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance >> became Anna >> - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent - >> but starts >> with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is Trintjie >> Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - which >> became >> Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and on >> - I have >> tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut or >> Gertrude >> and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably unique >> to her, >> just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular >> Trintjie. >> Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names that >> these >> people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of >> many of >> these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson >> family of >> Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" >> patronomic >> naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in my >> line >> Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant >> ancestor (to >> New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son >> Joachim >> Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ with >> his >> wife Annetje "Anna" >> Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not nicknames >> in the >> usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the >> English were >> next to unpronounceable. >> >> Susan Balde Avery >> Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, Hunt, >> Parke, >> Smith (Andrew), & Stockton >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> >>> >>> I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate the >> >>> name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I >>> wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar to >> >>> only certain areas. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> >>> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents >>> >>> >>> By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search >> >>> phrases >>> r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs >> like >>> harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. >>> However, >>> ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than >> accepting >>> stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always >>> intuitive >>> o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. >>> Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues >> for >>> solving >>> ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please >>> click on >>> he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent >> >>> of >>> artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, >> the >>> wife >>> f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the >> >>> daughter >>> f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, >> New >>> York. >>> http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf >>> For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, >> please >>> see... >>> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/ > questions.htm >> >>> >>> Somehow your Dutch cousin, >>> Perry >>> Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) >>> ww.perry.streeter.com >>> >>> >>> isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com >>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the >>> body of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
And keep in mind that most online sources for that 1940 census will be all tied up from so many people trying to get a look. Might as well wait til the excitement dies down. Marfy *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ * On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Kim Golding <kg@nventure.com> wrote: > I am also excited about next week, but less excited about the fact that > they won't be indexed by surname (initially). > > Kim Golding > Tacoma > > On 3/25/2012 9:24 AM, Julie & Kevin wrote: > > https://the1940census.com/ > > > > > > Hello, > > More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that > the > > person answering the questions is noted. I > > often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? > Looking > > forward to next week.. > > Enjoy , > > Julie B in NC > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I am searching for info on Charles and Williard. They moved to Illinois from Hunterdon Co. Could have lived in Franklin NJ. My grandfather James W Macauley was living with them in Illinois in the 1880 Census. I think they were related but trying to solve a relationship mystery. Appreciate any help. Mary in Oregon
I am also excited about next week, but less excited about the fact that they won't be indexed by surname (initially). Kim Golding Tacoma On 3/25/2012 9:24 AM, Julie & Kevin wrote: > https://the1940census.com/ > > > Hello, > More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that the > person answering the questions is noted. I > often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? Looking > forward to next week.. > Enjoy , > Julie B in NC > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
https://the1940census.com/ Hello, More info that will be available in the new 1940 census. I like that the person answering the questions is noted. I often wondered WHO answered the questions.. sometimes a neighbor?? Looking forward to next week.. Enjoy , Julie B in NC
Susan, John Opdycke or Justice John Opdyck as I have him in my files who married Margaret Green is the son of Albert Opdyck (1685-1752) and Lysbeth "Elizabeth" possibly Ely - Albert is the son of Johannes Lawrenson Opdyck (1650-1729) and Tryntie "Catherine" (surname unknown) and Johannes is the son of Louris "Louwre" Jansen (op den Dijk) Opdyck (1606-1659 and Styntje "Christina" Stenclia Pieters - Louis was our immigrant ancestor who came from by the Zuider Zee, Hoesem (Husum), (Schleswig Holstein), Elberg Gelderland, Netherlands and died in Gravesend, Kings Co., Long Island, NY. Louris's parents were Jan Deriksen Op Den Dijk & Margaret of Elberg, Gelderland, Netherlands, son of Deric Jansen op den Dijk & Elsken Mensen, son of Jan op den Dijk (1540-1600). That's as far back as I know. There isn't a Gysbert Opdycke in this line of Opdycks that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ until much later - this Gysbert Opdyke (1762-1784)is the son of John Opdyck (1708-1790) & Mary Bragaw, son of Lawrence Opdyck (1674-17480 & Agnes, son of Johannes Lawrenson Opdyck & Tryntie "Catherine" mentioned earlier. Since the Dutch used the patronomic naming system - it makes sense that you could have a Dutch ancestor with the last name of Gysberts - since it was someone's first name originally further back the line. That doesn't mean there would be any connection whatsoever. Sort of like saying that anyone named Henry is related to anyone else named Henry. I'm familiar with the Van Kirk family that came to Hopewell, Hunterdon Co. as well. I don't have any personal connections with that family. I do know that John Van Kirk (b. abt. 1750 in Hunterdon Co.,NJ) married Elizabeth Stout, daughter of Jacob Stout and Grace Parke - Grace being the daughter of Roger Parke Jr., son of Dr. Roger Parke. I'm the lineage leader for the Parke Society for the Dr. Roger Parke line so I have a great deal of information about the Parkes out of Hopewell, Hunterdon (now Mercer) Co., NJ. Hope that helped! Susan On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:17:52 -0500 "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> writes:> Susan, > > Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know if > there > was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who > married > Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? > > I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who married > Jan > Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived in > New > Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, NY, > not far > away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved later > to > Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. > > Susan Shuler Pena > Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > > I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just have > to point > one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are English > names > that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the population > would > recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a largely > English > society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their own > will or > in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but > close to > what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance > became Anna > - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent - > but starts > with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is Trintjie > Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - which > became > Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and on > - I have > tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut or > Gertrude > and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably unique > to her, > just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular > Trintjie. > Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names that > these > people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of > many of > these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson > family of > Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" > patronomic > naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in my > line > Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant > ancestor (to > New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son > Joachim > Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ with > his > wife Annetje "Anna" > Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not nicknames > in the > usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the > English were > next to unpronounceable. > > Susan Balde Avery > Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, Hunt, > Parke, > Smith (Andrew), & Stockton > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> > > > > I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate the > > > name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I > > wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar to > > > only certain areas. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> > > To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > > > > > > By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search > > > phrases > > r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs > like > > harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. > > However, > > ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than > accepting > > stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always > > intuitive > > o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. > > Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues > for > > solving > > ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please > > click on > > he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent > > > of > > artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, > the > > wife > > f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the > > > daughter > > f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, > New > > York. > > http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf > > For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, > please > > see... > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/questions.htm > > > > > Somehow your Dutch cousin, > > Perry > > Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > > ww.perry.streeter.com > > > > > > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > > body of > > he message > > > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
THAT is such a cool site ;o))) thank you! On Mar 24, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Carol Anne wrote: > Here is a site where you can hear how Dutch names are pronounced > http://www.heardutchhere.net/names.html It also has a section on old > New York. > > I don't think Dutch people in NJ in the 1700s looked up etymologies > and equivalents for their names! In order to conform to their English > neighbors, they simply chose an English name that sounded close to > their Dutch name, or perhaps were simply given such a name by their > English neighbors and decided to use it. All part of integrating with > the English, who were then in control! It has nothing to do with > today's nicknames and equivalents! > > Carol Anne > On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Dee <deesgenes1@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Bringing in my 2 cents worth. I don't know about Gertie, but I do know about Charity. My great great grandmother was called Charity, but her full name was Charetta or Charietta White. Records show both spellings. She married Amaziah Foster in Queens, NY. No records show Gertie. >> Dee in Phoenix >> www.azwvgs.org >> When a person dies, a library closes. >> Researching: >> NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay >> NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns >> PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose >> Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "christietrapp@aol.com" <christietrapp@aol.com> >>> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:26 PM >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Wheaton - Charity Wyckoff v. Gertie >>> >>> >>> I wasn't aware that Charity and Gertie are interchangeable as I have never come across this. My mom's first name was Gertrude but she was sometimes referred to as Gertie or GG but never was she ever called Charity in her entire life of 96 years. Therefore, I would have to see some names of other people's genealogy in order to believe they are interchangeable. >>> >>> I have both Gertie and Charity names in my database -- not married to Samuel Wheaton, of course, but at no time have I experienced finding them as a nickname of the other. Not saying it couldn't happen, just have not come across it for myself. >>> >>> Ron- as you seem to think these messages are misdirected to you -- if you are on the njhunter list as a subscriber to this query board, you will be getting messages either as part of the digest -- all bunched together, or if you signed up to be on the list -- you will get emails from the list one at a time. If the subject doesn't pertain to you, then just go ahead and delete them. If you don't wish to get either the individual emails or the digest, then you need to go through the steps to unsubscribe. Just as you signed up, you use that same procedure to unsubscribe -- just don't send it to this list. >>> >>> Christie >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here is a site where you can hear how Dutch names are pronounced http://www.heardutchhere.net/names.html It also has a section on old New York. I don't think Dutch people in NJ in the 1700s looked up etymologies and equivalents for their names! In order to conform to their English neighbors, they simply chose an English name that sounded close to their Dutch name, or perhaps were simply given such a name by their English neighbors and decided to use it. All part of integrating with the English, who were then in control! It has nothing to do with today's nicknames and equivalents! Carol Anne On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Dee <deesgenes1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Bringing in my 2 cents worth. I don't know about Gertie, but I do know about Charity. My great great grandmother was called Charity, but her full name was Charetta or Charietta White. Records show both spellings. She married Amaziah Foster in Queens, NY. No records show Gertie. > Dee in Phoenix > www.azwvgs.org > When a person dies, a library closes. > Researching: > NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay > NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns > PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose > Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: "christietrapp@aol.com" <christietrapp@aol.com> >>To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:26 PM >>Subject: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Wheaton - Charity Wyckoff v. Gertie >> >> >>I wasn't aware that Charity and Gertie are interchangeable as I have never come across this. My mom's first name was Gertrude but she was sometimes referred to as Gertie or GG but never was she ever called Charity in her entire life of 96 years. Therefore, I would have to see some names of other people's genealogy in order to believe they are interchangeable. >> >>I have both Gertie and Charity names in my database -- not married to Samuel Wheaton, of course, but at no time have I experienced finding them as a nickname of the other. Not saying it couldn't happen, just have not come across it for myself. >> >>Ron- as you seem to think these messages are misdirected to you -- if you are on the njhunter list as a subscriber to this query board, you will be getting messages either as part of the digest -- all bunched together, or if you signed up to be on the list -- you will get emails from the list one at a time. If the subject doesn't pertain to you, then just go ahead and delete them. If you don't wish to get either the individual emails or the digest, then you need to go through the steps to unsubscribe. Just as you signed up, you use that same procedure to unsubscribe -- just don't send it to this list. >> >>Christie >> >>Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Julie, Once again, you are an amazing source of information for all us searchers! Thank you. Janet Kendall Park, NJ On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Julie & Kevin <kajbene@bellsouth.net>wrote: > > http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/insider/2012/03/23/1940CensusSimplifiedWh > atYouReallyNeedToKnowIn7KeyPoints.aspx > > Have a look at the 1st URL. A lot of info on the 1940 census. > Enjoy ... > Julie B in NC > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The email address for my postings was Mary Burrows@eoni.com my new email address is powwat@yahoo.com. I am on the lists for Macauley, West, Roberson how do I get this changed?\ Thanks, Mary
My great great grandmother was Mary Fulper Heath of Kingwood. On the back of one of her photographs (ca. 1870s), her name was written as "Polly Heath". Nancy Heath Dallaire ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Alberta James Daw <ajdaw@swbell.net> To: perry@streeter.com, njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:14:33 -0500 I am glad that you mentioned the "Mary" /"Polly"equivalency in this discussion as I have a Mary Polly in my James family who were part of the group of Welsh Friends William Penn brought over to settle Pennsylvania. That Mary/Polly was two or three generations on, and I think, in Virginia. I am glad to know that this was a common exchange. Alberta James Daw On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Perry Streeter wrote: > By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search > phrases > or terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs like > Charity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. However, > accepting the validity of these pairs is no different than accepting > established old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always > intuitive > to us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. > > Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues > for solving > long-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please > click on > the link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent of > Martha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, > the wife > Of Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the > daughter > of John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, > New York. > > http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf > > For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, > please see... > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/ > questions.htm > > Somehow your Dutch cousin, > > Perry > > Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > www.perry.streeter.com > > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f6e0449a19f92eb22d7st04duc
Susan, Since you have Opdyckes in your family and I do also, do you know if there was ever a connection made from John Opdycke (1710-1777) who married Margaret Green to Gysbert Opdycke or the Gysbert family name? I also have a grandmother by the name of Mayke Gysberts who married Jan Jansen Verkerk/Verkerck -- later Van Kirk. The Van Kirk's lived in New Utrecht, Long Island, NY. The Opdyckes lived in Gravesend, LI, NY, not far away on the western end of Long Island. Both families moved later to Bensalem, Bucks Co., PA and Hunterdon Co. NJ. Susan Shuler Pena Texas -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of susan.avery@juno.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:27 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Cc: perry@streeter.com; njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents I wasn't going to get in on this discussion but I think I just have to point one thing out -- there are NOT nicknames per se - these are English names that the Dutch took to have a name that the rest of the population would recognize and know how to pronounce, and to blend in to a largely English society. The name could be picked by the Dutch really at their own will or in a lot of cases is a name that sounds close - not exact - but close to what the Dutch name sounded like. My Aletje Opdyck for instance became Anna - doesn't sound like Aletje, nor is there an English equivalent - but starts with the same letter. Another name in my family lines is Trintjie Andriessen (which by the way also got Anglicized to Anderson - which became Catherine - absolutely nothing like Trintjie - I could go on and on - I have tons of examples. Gertie is already the diminutive for Gertraut or Gertrude and if the family or she chose to use Charity it was probably unique to her, just like Catherine was no doubt unique to this particular Trintjie. Records and Deeds eventually began just using the English names that these people chose for themselves - and don't forget the last names of many of these folks also got Anglicized - as is the case for my Anderson family of Hopewell, NJ - and the Dutch had to drop using the "son of" patronomic naming system. The Anderson line is a good case in point - in my line Jochem Andries son was Andries Jochemson, and this immigrant ancestor (to New Netherlands or New Amsterdam, Long Island) named his son Joachim Andriessen. By the time his son Cornelius came to Hopewell, NJ with his wife Annetje "Anna" Opdyck the name was changed to Anderson. So these are not nicknames in the usual sense, but Anglicized names for Dutch names that for the English were next to unpronounceable. Susan Balde Avery Descendant of Hopewell families of Anderson, Opdyke, Phillips, Hunt, Parke, Smith (Andrew), & Stockton On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) kaysfo@aol.com writes:> > > I did this, and found most Dutch-English lists do not equate the > name Charity with Geertje, but only with Gertrude or Trudie. I > wonder if this Geertje = Charity switch is an anomaly peculiar to > only certain areas. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> > To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dutch & English Name Equivalents > > > By Googling on "Dutch English Name Equivalents" and similar search > phrases > r terms, one will find many lists of English-Dutch name pairs like > harity-Geertje and many of these pairs are *not* intuitive. > However, > ccepting the validity of these pairs is no different than accepting > stablished old-fashioned nicknames for names that are not always > intuitive > o us now like Polly for Mary, Patty for Martha, etc. > Recognizing English-Dutch name pairs can provide important clues for > solving > ong-standing mysteries. For one of my favorite examples, please > click on > he link below to see how recognizing Metje as the Dutch equivalent > of > artha (instead of Margaret!) was critical to identifying Martha, the > wife > f Obadiah-2 Wilkins (William-1) and John-2 Griggs (John-1), as the > daughter > f John-1 and Ann (Spicer) Lake, all of Gravesend, Kings County, New > York. > http://www.perrystreeter.com/griggs.pdf > For my unsolved "cold cases" for Hunterdon County and beyond, please > see... > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/questions.htm > > Somehow your Dutch cousin, > Perry > Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > ww.perry.streeter.com > > > isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > he message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here's food for thought to all this discussion about what happens with the name of Gertie or Gertje and Charity. Whether or not it is a nickname doesn't really matter. What matters is what documents show or don't show the useage of either name for the same person. In the case of the Wyckoff family -- they were from Holland originally and first came into New Amsterdam back in the 1600s. Everyone at that time in the area where they resided was Dutch and so pronoucing the various names was not impossible as they knew and recognized the names and probably how to spell them to boot -- including the ministers/clergy and anybody who was responsible for the recordation of vitals at that time. There was no assimilation as they all were part of one big group of people from the same area in the world. There was no reason to angelize the names. Now, when they moved from New Amsterdam into New Jersey we're talking a different ballgame all together. But again it probably wasn't just the Wyckoffs that moved, but several families as migration was generally done in groups -- similiar to the migration patterns leaving New Jersey and heading west. One family didn't go it alone, they got a group of families together and they then moved enmass across the plains to the next location. It was just too dangerous to travel alone -- Indians, wolves, bears, rivers, the weather -- all the elements that for someone or a family might face alone and not have a happy ending. So traveling in a large group was a much safer adventure as well as venture. As noted in one of my previous emails where I provided Charity's ancestry, the Cornelius that was married to a Gertje who was also known as Charity -- that was in the late 1600s, so she would have been one of the first (well in this case, was the first) in this long line of Wyckoff's. But again, we're talking a time period when most, if not the majority or all the folks she would have associated with spoke Dutch and not English, so language was not a barrier or would not have been a barrier. As the author of the Wyckoff genealogy does not provide sources for her name, or any name in the published version, the Wyckoff's do have an association and they have probably gotten a lot of the early research materials that documents her double name. I think I'm going to contact them and ask if they have any sources that justifies who she is. This has been a very interesting discussion. Thanks to several people who sent me info off list. What now has me curious is the marriage date. From the published genealogy the year was 1788, yet the marriage entry from the LDS website says it took place on the same month and day but in 1796, in Somerset County, NJ. That's a 12 year difference. Back to one of my earliler messages about the digitized record all being in the same handwriting, is it possible that whoever created the docket book that was filmed might have minterpreted the numbers and read the first 8 as a 9 and the second 8 as a 6? Early handwriting sometimes does make for confusion which would account for the discrepancy. Or are we talking two different Charity Wyckoff's and two different Samuel Wheatons? Someone else sent me an email where they apparently wenr to one of the websites for family trees and posted a transcription of her will which left things to her two sons and I noted that someone else commented on Samuel's death taking place before the birth of the second child. Did anybody find a copy of Samuel's will? Would love to see how he mentions his wife's name, and what name did he use? Was it Gertje or Gertie or was it Charity? Anyway, bottom line, I'm so glad that I created a subject that got everybody talking and discussing the pros and cons.of why Charity could also be Gertje/Gertie as well as helped with the research to find documentation to prove the marriage and her death in New York. Thanks so much. Hope this kind of discussion continues. It is most interesting to learn of other researcher's delimna when faced with this same kind of problem. Thanks Perry Streeter for your most valuable insight. You and I have corresponded in the past and I know you do a whole lot of research to dig into proofs that have helped me with my lines that join with yours. Haven't heard from you on the list in a very long time. It's great knowing you are still out there. Christie
This is always such a problem when switching to a new email address. I DO wish there was an online directory for posting OLD to NEW email addresses --a database for people to search when someone's old email doesn't work. On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Mary Burrows wrote: > The email address for my postings was Mary Burrows@eoni.com my new email address is powwat@yahoo.com. > I am on the lists for > Macauley, West, Roberson how do I get this changed?\ > Thanks, Mary > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message