Is the name CAHOONE by any chance considered a variant of the name COLQUHOUN? I think for the first time ever, I really looked at your last name yesterday and tried to pronounce it in my mind. And a light bulb went off. I have 18th century CAHOONE ancestors from RI. Kay -----Original Message----- From: Sharon and Harry <thistledewus@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA It was great! Thanks for the explanation. I also went to the link and found hat very interesting. Turns out there's a "Colquhoun" family project. Who ould have thought! Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun ardville, NJ ur family website ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ From: Mary Jo C. Martin <mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> o: njhunter@rootsweb.com ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:40 PM ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Dear Marlene: This is the best simple explanation that I have seen yet. THANK YOU! Regards, ary Jo Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Marleen: That was a very astute and sensitive analysis. I agree that one has both biological and social pedigree, and that both are important. Thanks for that. I've been following this discussion with some considerable interest. I don't have Stout connections, but I am thinking about getting DNA tested to see how it all works. Then I'd like to ask some of my male relatives to be tested. I have a couple of adoptions in my family history. A great-grandfather on my mother's side was fathered by one man in 1890 and later adopted by his mother's husband. I know the surname of his natural father, Strouse, but not the first name. Census records reveal that there were six likely Strouse candidates living near my great-grandfather's birthplace of Nockamixon Twp., Bucks Co., PA in 1900, and I'd like to confirm as much as I can. I'm still a little timid about enlisting the help of male relatives, and even more timid about approaching the Strouse descendants, but I want to act on this at some point in the future. My father-in-law was also adopted, but that is a more sensitive issue so I am treading very lightly there. Is FTDNA the most extensive and reliable company right now? Their $269 package offers both male female lines (I understand that it's only direct male and direct female) with no ongoing subscription fees. The other well known company, 23andme, charges yearly access fees. Has anyone on this list ever purchased the $269 package from FTDNA? Thanks for your comments and advice. Regards, Mary Jo C. Martin

Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted.  This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time.  ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/

Thanks Bob! -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Lois Philhower Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:30 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] the Stout Discussion; The Problem with any Source that isn't Primary. Mark - Check out the web site www.findagrave.com - they will welcome any and all gravestone images. Bob On 3/31/2012 1:24 PM, Mark wrote: > If anyone needs photos of Stout family graves in Henry County, > Indiana...just let me know. This line of Stouts came from New Jersey via > England and then to Ohio and Indiana. > mpcc@comcast.net > Mark > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have that same info regarding Thomas Runyan marrying Martha Dunn in Piscataway, Middlesex, N.J. in 1698. Is this not true?????? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:16 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] the Stout Discussion; The Problem with any Source that isn't Primary. Similar to the Penelope Stout problem is the matter of Martha, wife of the Thomas Runyon who died before 16 April 1753 at Hopewell Township, Hunterdon County. All over the internet you will see claims that she was the daughter of Hugh Dunn. It took me 2 years to track down the source of this information. Significantly, no emails to website owners and no message board post of mine requesting the source was ever answered. It was apparently the "invention?" of Orra Eugene Monnette. If he had any source, he certainly didn't cite it! It is a possibility though. Hugh Dunn did have a daughter named Martha, but there were a lot of other women named Martha around at that time! I can see how autosomal DNA testing might someday resolve this. If a significant number of descendants of Hugh Dunn matched a significant number of descendants of Thomas Runyon, one could assume Thomas's wife was Martha Dunn. I don't think one or two would do because colonial lines or so intertwined. I have other Hunterdon Co. mysteries that I hope will be solved by autosomal testing someday. I currently have some matches that could be through my Hunterdon unknowns but I think it's going to take development of better tools for the analyses of autosomal data plus many more Family Finder projects for comparing data in order to sort things out. I suggest a Hunterdon Co. Family Finder project if anyone has the necessary skills and the time to manage one. I'm still waiting for Calvin, Brittain (Britton) and Dilley matches! Carol Anne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<kaysfo@aol.com> wrote... >.... I work on the theory that one can research (if possible) both families >and give her two family trees, one her genetic tree and the other that of >her adoptive family.< As an adoptee myself I can relate to that & have researched both my adoptive & bio lines. I shared the adoptive research with the family and they were tickled with it and I have shared my biological line research with my biological family who were also pleased. > ... in the old days, children were usually not told they were adopted) or > does that mean they were born "on the wrong side of the blanket" as our > ancestors used to euphemistically phrase it?< That would be me on both counts. My bio parents were not married and he was killed when she was about 2 mos. along with me, hence my adoption. Thus far I have been unable to locate any males on either maternal or paternal bio lines who would be interested in donating a dna sample for research even if I pick up the tab. Go figure! :-( Best, SueB

Similar to the Penelope Stout problem is the matter of Martha, wife of the Thomas Runyon who died before 16 April 1753 at Hopewell Township, Hunterdon County. All over the internet you will see claims that she was the daughter of Hugh Dunn. It took me 2 years to track down the source of this information. Significantly, no emails to website owners and no message board post of mine requesting the source was ever answered. It was apparently the "invention?" of Orra Eugene Monnette. If he had any source, he certainly didn't cite it! It is a possibility though. Hugh Dunn did have a daughter named Martha, but there were a lot of other women named Martha around at that time! I can see how autosomal DNA testing might someday resolve this. If a significant number of descendants of Hugh Dunn matched a significant number of descendants of Thomas Runyon, one could assume Thomas's wife was Martha Dunn. I don't think one or two would do because colonial lines or so intertwined. I have other Hunterdon Co. mysteries that I hope will be solved by autosomal testing someday. I currently have some matches that could be through my Hunterdon unknowns but I think it's going to take development of better tools for the analyses of autosomal data plus many more Family Finder projects for comparing data in order to sort things out. I suggest a Hunterdon Co. Family Finder project if anyone has the necessary skills and the time to manage one. I'm still waiting for Calvin, Brittain (Britton) and Dilley matches! Carol Anne

Just saying 'thank You', Rita, for the link. IThrough the links I learned that the Wichita Library has a later edition of Herald R. Stout's book and I shall check it out when again in Wichita. The 1970 edition didn't have solid proof of the line he thought was mine. Thank You. On Mar 31, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Rita Chesterton wrote: > I have NOT been following this chain of inquiry, so forgive me if you've already talked about the Wikipedia writeup about Penelope Stout and the links attached to it. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope_Stout > -Rita > > > On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Marjorie Devore wrote: > >> On 3/30/2012 1:16 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: >> >> >> >> Marilyn, thanks! New idea I had not tried yet!!! will do that, maybe >> with a lot more work, this can be pinned down! Besides telling her story >> about being shipwrecked and living in tree while wounded, there is very >> little about her early life!!! wonder what ship it was? marjorie in Illnois >>> I am not a Stout descendant. My only interest is the surname is Rex >>> Stout, the creator of Nero Wolf, who I believe was a descendant. >>> >>> I do believe that Penelope met and married Richard Stout while they were >>> living at Gravesend, the settlement in Brooklyn founded by Lady Deborah >>> Moody. You might want to check the Gravesend records for confirmation >>> of Penelope's history. >>> >>> Marleen Van Horne >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was great!  Thanks for the explanation.  I also went to the link and found that very interesting.  Turns out there's a "Colquhoun" family project.  Who would have thought!   Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun Yardville, NJ Our family website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ From: Mary Jo C. Martin <mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Dear Marlene: This is the best simple explanation that I have seen yet.  THANK YOU! Regards, Mary Jo Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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_http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx) This one works In a message dated 3/31/2012 6:28:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RRW122433@aol.com writes: List members. You will find the FTDNA price list for their different tests at: _http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx) Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ Administrator: Williamson y-Chromosome DNA Project _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dnadysnumbers/INDEX.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dnadysnumbers/INDEX.htm) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX,htm) Administrator LaTourette y-Chromosome DNA Project. Administrator of Aertsen y-Chromosome DNA Project. Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Warren Winchester "Undocumented Genealogy is only Mythology"

List members. You will find the FTDNA price list for their different tests at: _http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx) Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ Administrator: Williamson y-Chromosome DNA Project _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dnadysnumbers/INDEX.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dnadysnumbers/INDEX.htm) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX,htm) Administrator LaTourette y-Chromosome DNA Project. Administrator of Aertsen y-Chromosome DNA Project.

Mark - Check out the web site www.findagrave.com - they will welcome any and all gravestone images. Bob On 3/31/2012 1:24 PM, Mark wrote: > If anyone needs photos of Stout family graves in Henry County, > Indiana...just let me know. This line of Stouts came from New Jersey via > England and then to Ohio and Indiana. > mpcc@comcast.net > Mark > >

The Van Horne DNA Project has identified the genetic pedigree of the Van Horn / Van Horne descendants of Christian Barentsen, and Matthys Cornelissen. The Van Horn descendants of Christian Barentsen settled in Bergen County, New Jersey and in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, before spreading out over the rest of the country. The two sons of Matthys Cornelissen, having been born in Brooklyn, moved with their parents to Monmouth County, New Jersey about 1700, and to Hunterton County by 1730. The Van Horne DNA Project has nine members who descend from Matthys two sons, Cornelius Van Horen and Abraham Vanhorn. Both Cornelius and Abraham lived out their lives in Hunterton County. The project is now six years old, but unfortunately, no descendant of Jan Cornelissen, the third immigrant to New Netherlands, whose descendants took some version of the Van Horn / Van Horne surname. If you descend from any of these three families, and they are definitely not related, we would love to have you participate in the Van Horne DNA Project. I will be happy to discuss the project with you and answer any questions you may have. Please write to me privately at msvnhrn@jps.net. You can view the project test results by going to: www.familytreedna.com/public/VanHorne. Click on yDNA Results and Colorized results. Marleen Van Horne

There is another company that does DNA testing for both health and genealogical reasons, that is 23andMe of Menlo Park, California. One of the founders of this company has a brother who was born with a genetic medical condition. Her motivation in founding the company was to learn more about all kinds of genetic medical conditions and to give people in general a way to find out what secrets their bodies might hold. I originally test there for health reasons. 23andMe began offering atDNA testing two years ago for genealogical purposes. Having already tested there, I was grandfathered into the atDNA test. 23andMe provides genetic information on a wide range of genetic conditions, as well as atDNA testing for genealogy. Initially, this was done for a flat fee, but recently their pricing structure changed to an annual subscription for people who have upgraded their test. I have not done so, and do not have to pay a subscription fee. But this program is no longer available to new subscribers. Family Tree DNA also does testing for genetically inherited health conditions, but as I understand it their focus is on medical conditions common among people of Jewish heritage. Testing for health reasons is a much more personal decision than genetic testing for genealogical purposes. Marleen Van Horne

Right now, there are three types of DNA tests used for genealogical purposes: yDNA, mtDNA and atDNA ......yDNA.........atDNA........mtDNA .....Father's..................Mother's .......Line.....................Line .........\***********************/.....Generation 12 ..........\*********************/......Generation 11 ...........\*******************/.......Generation 10 ............\*****************/........Generation 9 .............\***************/.........Generation 8 ..............\*************/..........Generation 7 ...............\***********/...........Generation 6 ................\*********/............Generation 5 .................\*******/.............Generation 4 ..................\*****/..............Generation 3 ...................\***/...............Generation 2 ....................\*/................Generation 1 .....................|.................Generation 0 ....................YOU \ = Father's Father's yDNA back to Adam---Men only / = Mother's Mother's mtDNA back to Eve---Men & Women * = atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors---Any Gender . = disregard only used as place holder yDNA is passed from a father to all of his sons, almost unchanged, indefinitely. This test proves a paternal / surname line. mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children, sons and daughters. It dead-ends in the sons, and is passed on by the daughters to all their children. This test is useful in proving the origins of the maternal line, but is probably the least useful to genealogists atDNA populates the 22 non-gender chromosomes, and is randomly inherited from all of your ancestors. In each generation, the parents pass approximately half of their atDNA to each child. When testing atDNA, the assumptions is that if you match another individual in the atDNA database with an atDNA segment over a certain length in size, that you both inherited that atDNA from a common ancestor. These matches are more difficult to prove and require a VERY mature pedigree to identify common ancestors. There are several companies that do this testing. For genealogical purposes, I recommend only Family Tree DNA of Houston, Texas. There are other companies that offer similar tests at less cost, but this is definitely a case of you get what you pay for. FTDNA originated genetic testing for genealogical purposes. The company was founded about 1998, and currently has the largest database of completed tests. They have all different kinds of certifications, and maintain the highest scientific standards. If you go to FTDNA's website, www.familytreedna.com, you will be able to find out if your surname of interest already has a project. It is better for you to be tested within a project, the cost of testing is slightly less, if done through a surname project, than if you just sign up on your own. In addition, many of the project managers provide analysis, assistance and support for the project members. This is what I do, but I know there are others project managers who have a different attitude to their projects, so I cannot guarantee you will get this help with every project. We are all volunteers, and receive no compensation of any kind from FTDNA. How deep your pockets are and how much you want to learn about your biological ancestors determines which and how many tests you take or purchase for your relatives. My recommendation is the men be yDNA tested for 67 markers. This test provides sufficient genetic information to prove or disprove family matches, which is the point of being tested. There are tests with less markers, but the results are inconclusive as a result of insufficient genetic information. If you have willing male relatives, I consider this to be the basic genetic genealogy test. The mtDNA test will tell you the biological history of your maternal ancestors. If your maternal line comes from a rare mt haplogroup [see wikipedia for definitions] it can be extremely interesting. If the haplogroup is really common, it is Ho Hum. It happens that my mt haplogroup is extremely rare. Only about 4% of the population of Western Europe has this haplogroup, and it appears nowhere else in the world, haplogroup V. atDNA testing is the upper division course in genetic genealogy. There are technical as well as human factors that make these matches VERY difficult to prove. When notified of a match and you write to people to figure out your common ancestor, many people do not respond, or they are adopted and have no idea who their ancestors are, or they only know who their posh ancestors are and have no information on the everyday folks, or they expect you to research their ancestors for them, a non-starter. BUT, having said all of that, IF, you can confirm a match, it can be REALLY exciting. It can also solidify conventionally researched pedigrees that do not have as much solid evidence as you would like to have. With two years of atDNA results and over 1,000 matches, I have only confirmed three matches and identify the common ancestor. I want to also mention genetic testing for health reasons, but will put that in another message. Marleen Van Horne

I have a similar situation with my family tree. My surname was Wells, father was Wells, grandfather was Wells. I have no further proven info after my grandfather who was from the Chester Co., PA area. My brother did the DNA test for the Wells Family Research Association to see who we may possibly connect to. We matched no Wells that have been tested, however when I put his DNA numbers on Sorenson we matched within 3 markers of a Mormon Chatwin family in Santaquin, Utah. While there is extensive info on this family, none of it has a recorded history in Pennsylvania, and there are no Wells surnames in the tree, however there is one James Chatwin in Philadelphia with his sister Elizabeth in the 1880 census. I have been unable to connect this James with the Chatwin family in Utah and census records stated that James was single so no testing there! Whatever the story is about my grandfather we are what we are. My father was orphaned at the age of 6 so he had no knowledge of his family history except his mother and father's name. I was able to piece together his mother's Durling line, but his (may or may not be) Wells line is unknown before my grandfather Harry Wells from Chester County. His 4 siblings, although older, never knew, and apparently never asked either. DNA testing will give us the genetic answer, but I still consider family the foster couple that raised my father from the age of 6 to 22. Genetics is only part of the story. Jackie Wells Lubinski -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kaysfo@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:49 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Renee, I have an adopted daughter, so I work on the theory that one can research (if possible) both families and give her two family trees, one her genetic tree and the other that of her adoptive family. As far as I PERSONALLY am concerned, when we adopted her, she was 'grafted' on to our genetic family tree became one of us, and can lay claim to our genetic tree. But if one chooses, efforts can be made (where possible due to current laws ) to work on the genetic family tree as well. The problem comes if you are researching a family and discover that somewhere back along the line, someone doesn't fit in genetically. Does that mean they were adopted (and only recently were adoptions made common knowledge--in the old days, children were usually not told they were adopted) or does that mean they were born "on the wrong side of the blanket" as our ancestors used to euphemistically phrase it? Kay

Renee, I have an adopted daughter, so I work on the theory that one can research (if possible) both families and give her two family trees, one her genetic tree and the other that of her adoptive family. As far as I PERSONALLY am concerned, when we adopted her, she was 'grafted' on to our genetic family tree became one of us, and can lay claim to our genetic tree. But if one chooses, efforts can be made (where possible due to current laws ) to work on the genetic family tree as well. The problem comes if you are researching a family and discover that somewhere back along the line, someone doesn't fit in genetically. Does that mean they were adopted (and only recently were adoptions made common knowledge--in the old days, children were usually not told they were adopted) or does that mean they were born "on the wrong side of the blanket" as our ancestors used to euphemistically phrase it? Kay -----Original Message----- From: Renee L. Dauven <promine@web-ster.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA I'm glad you asked that question because it has been bothering me. nly I phrase it differently: Where is the line between "family history" nd genetics? Is there a point where one says that it is family that is mportant, not genetics, or does one stick strictly to a genetic line? This seems particularly troublesome in instances of adoption because he insistence on genetic tracing undercuts the entire purpose of doption which is to create family and to continue a family into the uture. Why bother to adopt if that child will not be viewed as a ember of the family by future generations? So what is really being studied? enee L. Dauven n 3/31/2012 11:41 AM, kaysfo@aol.com wrote: It wouldn't in a sense bother me either. The nasty surprise is in thinking hat one has everything nailed down with a well -documented paper trail, and hen finding out that a whole line of your family isn't your family. And where o you start to redo a whole line. Can you tell how far back the "non-parental pisode" happened. If ggg-grandma had a child that did not belong to gg-grandpa, how could you ell if it was the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker? isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

LOL, Marfy. -----Original Message----- From: Marfy Goodspeed <marfyg@gmail.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Kay, if you had put that comment on facebook, I would definitely have liked" it. arfy Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** oodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ n Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, <kaysfo@aol.com> wrote: > It wouldn't in a sense bother me either. The nasty surprise is in thinking that one has everything nailed down with a well -documented paper trail, and then finding out that a whole line of your family isn't your family. And where do you start to redo a whole line. Can you tell how far back the "non-parental episode" happened. If ggg-grandma had a child that did not belong to gg-grandpa, how could you tell if it was the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker? -----Original Message----- From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA And I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some eally nasty surprises when they find out that there has either been an nknown illegitmate birth or an adoption that occured generations ago. We call those non-parental episodes. There will also be fifth cousins from nother race who were sired by our illustrious slave owning males. That doesn't other me, I welcome that knowledge, but it will some people. One of the articipants in a DNA project I administer wrote me to tell me he'd found out hat only one of his four brothers was actually sired by the man who raised hem. _______________________________ From: "kaysfo@aol.com" <kaysfo@aol.com> o: njhunter@rootsweb.com ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:05 AM ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA Yes, I found a female third cousin online descended from one of my New England ines. We became regular correspondents over a ten year period (and ister/cousins/ best friends). She had a male first cousin who still bore the ame. He consented to be tested. What the DNA showed upended a lot of previous esearch on that line. We had tried to prove our contentions with a paper rail, which was pretty much ignored, but when combined with the DNA, it opened yes and provided proof which could not be ignored. I am certain that DNA testing is going to really, in many cases, muddy the aters considerably for the next fifty years or so. People are really going to ave to hit the research trail in earnest and seek out those primary sources, ecause a lot of the "facts" in the kinds of books we have been talking about re going to be proven erroneous. Many people will have to start from scratch so o speak. nd I am sure that there are some people who are going to get some really nasty urprises when they find out that there has either been an unknown illegitmate irth or an adoption that occured generations ago. Kay ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ----Original Message----- rom: JanAlpert <JanAlpert@aol.com> o: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Sat, Mar 31, 2012 8:50 am ubject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Y chromosome DNA f you are not a male Stout, you need to find the closest male Stout to u. rothers cles eat Uncles hat if the great uncles are no longer living? n one of my surnames (Hodge), I was able to take my last male in the line rn in 1831 (my great, great grandfather) and trace all his 7 sons forward sing census on Ancestry and the Social Security Death Index and ituaries when I got to the earlier years. Several had no children or only ughters in a generation or two. But I was able to continue one line forward r 5 nerations and found two living male cousins living in Tacoma, shington. I convinced one to do the DNA at my expense and I now have a match th ree other distant Hodge cousins. We are now looking for a common ancestor upstate New York about the time of the Revolutionary War. t isn't easy research but it can be done. a message dated 3/31/2012 8:32:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, san.avery@juno.com writes: arilyn - the male must still bear the surname Stout in order to be sted - they neglected to tell you that. I imagine that your son is a n Horne and to have his DNA test done would only trace the Van Horne me, not the Stout name. usan Avery n Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:09:33 -0500 Marjorie Devore <scarlett1@mchsi.com> ites: n 3/30/2012 11:06 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: My son would do this, e s 48, lives here in my town, how do I begin? m Marjorie, The yDNA has to be from a male who is a biological descendant from Richard Stout. You could do an atDNA test and hope for a match with another tout descendant, gender does not matter, but the matches are harder to prove. Marleen Van Horne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to JHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: tp://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in e subject d the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message