And what was their source? Monette's book? Are we going in circles here maybe? It gets really frustrating sometimes! We need a primary source. If you're new to genealogy a "primary" source is one made at or near the time of the event. For instance your great-grandmother's death certificate would be a primary source for the date of her death, but a secondary source for the date of her birth, as it was not made near the time of her birth. And if someone makes an abstract of the information on the death certificate and publishes it in a book, the book is a tertiary source. Today good genealogists cite their sources when they publish so that a reader can find the sources that were used and check them out to validate the assertions and interpretations if necessary. That was not often done at the time Monnette wrote. Carol Anne On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Mark <mpcc@comcast.net> wrote: > I found in my notes that Thomas Runion (Runyon) married Martha Dunn, > daughter of Hugh Dunn. > Source is the Colonial Families of New Jersey  Vol. 1. > Land records show him as Tho. Runion. > > Mark > mpcc@comcast.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:34 PM > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Martha Dunn and Thomas Runyan > > The only source I have ever found for the information that Thomas > married Martha Dunn was Monnette's "First settlers of ye plantations > of Piscataway and Woodbridge, olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714". He > gave no source. > > I sent to the NJ Archives for a copy of Hugh Dunn's estate packet. In > Oct 1691, when he wrote his will, his daughter Martha was unmarried. > "Item I do give and bequeath unto my dearly beloved Wife Elizabeth Dun > all my [herd?] of Catle and [----old?] goods with all the moveables > disposed of for the to be prudent to [ward?] well [--?--] up of my > poor Children, especially  to [--?--] my feather bed  which after my > wifes decease I give and beqeath unto my daughter Mary Dunn alius Mary > Bonham wife to Hezekiah Bonham, and my daughters Elizabeth Dun and > Martha Dun upon the day of their Marriage such part  as well of my > goods [Cattels?] as she in her discretion shall think [--?--] " > > The will is very interesting but in such poor condition that it is > extremely difficult to read!!! I was hoping to find a settlement of > accounts in the packet, because if Martha had married by the time the > will had settled her share of the estate would have gone to her > husband according to the law at that period. This can be clearly seen > in Thomas Runyan's estate settlement for instance, where his sons and > sons-in-law receive equal cash payments. It's possible, I suppose, > that such a record may exist for Hugh Dunn's estate in some court > order book, and that somehow no copy was included in the estate > packet, but this would take a thorough search of the archives by > someone who could actually go there. > > If money is no object, copies of the estate settlements of every one > of Hugh Dunn's children could be obtained to see if there was any > mention anywhere in any of them of a brother-in-law (often just > referred to just as "brother" at that time) named Thomas Runyan in any > of them. I have only checked the abstracts in "Calendar of New Jersey > Wills". Deeds are another possibility, if you can get the actual > documents. > > As far as I am concerned it is totally unproven at this point, and I > have Thomas's wife listed as Martha (?) on my website and in my > records. I try to be as accurate as I can. > > Carol Anne > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Mark <mpcc@comcast.net> wrote: >> I have that same info regarding Thomas Runyan marrying Martha Dunn in >> Piscataway, Middlesex, N.J. in 1698. Is this not true?????? >> Mark >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>>I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon >>Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, >>1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. << I have found the same problem with records on familysearch.com. There is actually an explanation for this. The records were not filed or filmed on a Jan-Dec yearly basis during this time period. If you look at the films, you will see that the recording year ran midyear of one year to midyear of the following year - that is to say, for example, Jun 1888 to May 1889. There were several variations - I've seen Jun - May, July - Jun and also May to April. I have no idea why they did this, but the problem now is that someone reading, and transcribing the records is looking at the top line of the page and stops as soon as they see the beginning of the date. So the film might be for June 1888-May 1889, and all the transcriber sees is 1888 and assumes everything on the film is 1888. This confusion is compounded by the fact that the change of year isn't always recorded in the date column. I guess it was assumed that anyone using the records already knows the system.

I made one of those corrections on ancestry.com when I discovered that the transcription of my Wofford family in one census entry was so wildly wrong that no one using the search function would ever find it. What I assumed, but don't actually know, is that a researcher now looking for my Woffords will be directed to that particular census entry due to my correction, despite the transcription mistake. I hope that is the case!   Judy Winston in Dallas ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Transcriptions on the census - WAS:RE: Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Ancestry has a place where one can make corrections and explanations which I what I actually meant. The search page has a notation that there are corrections for the record and those can be read there. The listing is still wrong, however there is a blip to click on where those updates can be read. I agree with you in that the writing is difficult to read on some census pages. My ggrandmother Lusetta is listed as Susetta because the "L" really does look like an "S". Confounding the confusion is her mother is Susan on the census so a transcriber could have easily thought that her name was Susetta. I do have confirmed proof that her name was Lusetta, however there is another fly in the ointment in that is it sometimes spelled as "Lusetta" and sometimes "Lucetta". -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boscia Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:53 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I have no connection to Ancestry.com and only subscribe every so often But; In your example the only thing that they have an obligation to correct is the transcription error # 3. It would be nice if they dual index #1, As far as your grandmother's name - that is the name that was given to the census taker. Please have pity on volunteer transcribers, especially those who transcribe from the 16 and 1700's. Those records were written with a feather quill by a person who wrote what they heard. A lot of the time the only way a transcriber knows the name is if they know what the name should be. There is also the question on how to transcribe a f when the modern spelling is s, the same for l and r. Bill Boscia Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found in my notes that Thomas Runion (Runyon) married Martha Dunn, daughter of Hugh Dunn. Source is the Colonial Families of New Jersey Vol. 1. Land records show him as Tho. Runion. Mark mpcc@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:34 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Martha Dunn and Thomas Runyan The only source I have ever found for the information that Thomas married Martha Dunn was Monnette's "First settlers of ye plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714". He gave no source. I sent to the NJ Archives for a copy of Hugh Dunn's estate packet. In Oct 1691, when he wrote his will, his daughter Martha was unmarried. "Item I do give and bequeath unto my dearly beloved Wife Elizabeth Dun all my [herd?] of Catle and [----old?] goods with all the moveables disposed of for the to be prudent to [ward?] well [--?--] up of my poor Children, especially to [--?--] my feather bed which after my wifes decease I give and beqeath unto my daughter Mary Dunn alius Mary Bonham wife to Hezekiah Bonham, and my daughters Elizabeth Dun and Martha Dun upon the day of their Marriage such part as well of my goods [Cattels?] as she in her discretion shall think [--?--] " The will is very interesting but in such poor condition that it is extremely difficult to read!!! I was hoping to find a settlement of accounts in the packet, because if Martha had married by the time the will had settled her share of the estate would have gone to her husband according to the law at that period. This can be clearly seen in Thomas Runyan's estate settlement for instance, where his sons and sons-in-law receive equal cash payments. It's possible, I suppose, that such a record may exist for Hugh Dunn's estate in some court order book, and that somehow no copy was included in the estate packet, but this would take a thorough search of the archives by someone who could actually go there. If money is no object, copies of the estate settlements of every one of Hugh Dunn's children could be obtained to see if there was any mention anywhere in any of them of a brother-in-law (often just referred to just as "brother" at that time) named Thomas Runyan in any of them. I have only checked the abstracts in "Calendar of New Jersey Wills". Deeds are another possibility, if you can get the actual documents. As far as I am concerned it is totally unproven at this point, and I have Thomas's wife listed as Martha (?) on my website and in my records. I try to be as accurate as I can. Carol Anne On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Mark <mpcc@comcast.net> wrote: > I have that same info regarding Thomas Runyan marrying Martha Dunn in > Piscataway, Middlesex, N.J. in 1698. Is this not true?????? > Mark > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Carol Anne: Thanks for letting us know about this discrepancy. I am descended from Thomas and Martha Runyan through their daughter Catherine. I've checked my sources, eliminated any that aren't conclusive and fixed up my database accordingly. Regards, Mary Jo -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Anne Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 1:17 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] the Stout Discussion; The Problem with any Source that isn't Primary. Similar to the Penelope Stout problem is the matter of Martha, wife of the Thomas Runyon who died before 16 April 1753 at Hopewell Township, Hunterdon County. All over the internet you will see claims that she was the daughter of Hugh Dunn. It took me 2 years to track down the source of this information. Significantly, no emails to website owners and no message board post of mine requesting the source was ever answered. It was apparently the "invention?" of Orra Eugene Monnette. If he had any source, he certainly didn't cite it! It is a possibility though. Hugh Dunn did have a daughter named Martha, but there were a lot of other women named Martha around at that time! I can see how autosomal DNA testing might someday resolve this. If a significant number of descendants of Hugh Dunn matched a significant number of descendants of Thomas Runyon, one could assume Thomas's wife was Martha Dunn. I don't think one or two would do because colonial lines or so intertwined. I have other Hunterdon Co. mysteries that I hope will be solved by autosomal testing someday. I currently have some matches that could be through my Hunterdon unknowns but I think it's going to take development of better tools for the analyses of autosomal data plus many more Family Finder projects for comparing data in order to sort things out. I suggest a Hunterdon Co. Family Finder project if anyone has the necessary skills and the time to manage one. I'm still waiting for Calvin, Brittain (Britton) and Dilley matches! Carol Anne Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you add a name on the search screen that asks for the name, dates and whatever else you can provide and click on Search, you get another screen with a list of possible names that fit your criteria. Click on one of these names and you get a screen with more specific information for the name you selected. On the left of that screen is a box titled: "Comments" with a line that says: "Leave a Comment" Click on that and you can type in whatever you want. A few days later, you may get an email thanking you for your comment. They don't edit your comment and they don't change the data already there. Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micky Craft" <horses1032@cox.net> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 1:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! How do you make the corrections / alternate information on ancestry? Micky -----Original Message----- From: Mary Burrows Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:25 PM To: BMacKie ; njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Ancestry has a wonderful service for adding alternate information and posting it. I have corrected many people in our line. Mary ________________________________ From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: "njhunter@rootsweb.com" <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I recently politely asked Family Search to change a name of one of my great grandparents that they mispelled so badly it would have caused a newbie to search elsewhere in vain. They politely said that that was the way it was transcribed, and it would stay that way. That's the kind of thing that makes you want to pull out your hair at the roots (no pun intended). At least they don't charge for the service(?). ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: 'BMacKie' <lumackie@gmail.com>; njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The inventory of Hugh Dunn's estate lists 4 Bibles (value 10 shillings). Perhaps family information was recorded in one or more of these. Does anyone know of any existing Bible? Carol Anne

The only source I have ever found for the information that Thomas married Martha Dunn was Monnette's "First settlers of ye plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714". He gave no source. I sent to the NJ Archives for a copy of Hugh Dunn's estate packet. In Oct 1691, when he wrote his will, his daughter Martha was unmarried. "Item I do give and bequeath unto my dearly beloved Wife Elizabeth Dun all my [herd?] of Catle and [----old?] goods with all the moveables disposed of for the to be prudent to [ward?] well [--?--] up of my poor Children, especially to [--?--] my feather bed which after my wifes decease I give and beqeath unto my daughter Mary Dunn alius Mary Bonham wife to Hezekiah Bonham, and my daughters Elizabeth Dun and Martha Dun upon the day of their Marriage such part as well of my goods [Cattels?] as she in her discretion shall think [--?--] " The will is very interesting but in such poor condition that it is extremely difficult to read!!! I was hoping to find a settlement of accounts in the packet, because if Martha had married by the time the will had settled her share of the estate would have gone to her husband according to the law at that period. This can be clearly seen in Thomas Runyan's estate settlement for instance, where his sons and sons-in-law receive equal cash payments. It's possible, I suppose, that such a record may exist for Hugh Dunn's estate in some court order book, and that somehow no copy was included in the estate packet, but this would take a thorough search of the archives by someone who could actually go there. If money is no object, copies of the estate settlements of every one of Hugh Dunn's children could be obtained to see if there was any mention anywhere in any of them of a brother-in-law (often just referred to just as "brother" at that time) named Thomas Runyan in any of them. I have only checked the abstracts in "Calendar of New Jersey Wills". Deeds are another possibility, if you can get the actual documents. As far as I am concerned it is totally unproven at this point, and I have Thomas's wife listed as Martha (?) on my website and in my records. I try to be as accurate as I can. Carol Anne On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Mark <mpcc@comcast.net> wrote: > I have that same info regarding Thomas Runyan marrying Martha Dunn in > Piscataway, Middlesex, N.J. in 1698. Is this not true?????? > Mark >

I was not clear in my posting.  I was referring to Census Records additions. There is also the comment feature on Ancestry. Mary ________________________________ From: Micky Craft <horses1032@cox.net> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! How do you make the corrections / alternate information on ancestry? Micky -----Original Message----- From: Mary Burrows Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:25 PM To: BMacKie ; njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Ancestry has a wonderful service for adding alternate information and posting it. I  have corrected many people in our line.  Mary ________________________________ From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: "njhunter@rootsweb.com" <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I recently politely asked Family Search to change a name of one of my great grandparents that they mispelled so badly it would have caused a newbie to search elsewhere in vain.  They politely said that that was the way it was transcribed, and it would stay that way.  That's the kind of thing that makes you want to pull out your hair at the roots (no pun intended).  At least they don't charge for the service(?). ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: 'BMacKie' <lumackie@gmail.com>; njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted.  This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So True, I see these controversial data entries constantly in my project of abstracting the newspaper, especially with Census Records. And now on the Eve of the release of US Census Records for 1940, we are apt to see these problems again and again. I have signed up as an indexer for the Family Search Organization and have been doing their trial indexing for an hour each day the past week or so. Since they did not critique my work, I asked them to do so and they directed me to their list of directions. This didn't help me at all. If a data field is missing on the original record - do I enter the word "missing" or leave the question on their indexing form "blank" ? There is a difference and I did not get an answer. However, I do have a record of being 98% correct, even though some of the names I indexed, I have no idea whether or not they were correct!! Have fun with the new Census Records, and please don't curse me out if you find misspellings! Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Lubinski" <jwlube@ptd.net> To: "BMacKie" <lumackie@gmail.com>, njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 9:45:36 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their u database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Kay and others. I remember the Bennet's Bagore issue and may even have contributed to it; seems like at least 5 or so years ago! The Black River, I believe has been found! While abstracting 1895, I found it as follows : >From HuntRepNews: 15 May 1895 Issue. " Category: Trivia - Train Wreck on the Rockaway Valley R. R. Date: 12 May 1895. A train which left Whitehouse Station at 7 o’clock Sunday evening, plunged down a steep embankment into the Black River at a point near Pottersville. The train consisted of an engine and two cars. ....." The abstract will include a rough drawn map of the area. 1895 may be finished the end of April. I am now doing the end of July! Regarding Ancestry.com, I can't be too hard on them since they are providing a free URL for my Website. However, at this writing, I did receive an automatic email that they had received my notification of the problem. Stay tuned, since I will keep the NJHUNTER family informed!!!!! And for those that looked at the Website early today, I just put up a revised Table of the 228 Deaths at about 10 o'clock AM, Eastern Daylight Savings Time! Regards to all, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: kaysfo@aol.com To: lumackie@gmail.com, njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:42:56 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Good luck getting Ancestry to change anything. Some of us remember when we discussed Bennet's Bagore on this list, a fictional place that shows up on Ancestry for the Kingwood Township census from, I believe 1830 or 1840. Even though the original images clearly said Kingwood Township, that is not what the indexes say. Oh, and they also have a listing for a Black River. It escapes me now what that actually turned out to be. I know they were contacted by people and asked to change it, but they never have. I wish you luck, Bill. Let us all know how you make out. -----Original Message----- From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:22 am Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com s questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is ot a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> o: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM ubject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! o change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon epublican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were ecorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 eaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also ther New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the icrofilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be erified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication ould mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by oing to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, rBill unterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do you make the corrections / alternate information on ancestry? Micky -----Original Message----- From: Mary Burrows Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:25 PM To: BMacKie ; njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Ancestry has a wonderful service for adding alternate information and posting it. I have corrected many people in our line. Mary ________________________________ From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: "njhunter@rootsweb.com" <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I recently politely asked Family Search to change a name of one of my great grandparents that they mispelled so badly it would have caused a newbie to search elsewhere in vain. They politely said that that was the way it was transcribed, and it would stay that way. That's the kind of thing that makes you want to pull out your hair at the roots (no pun intended). At least they don't charge for the service(?). ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: 'BMacKie' <lumackie@gmail.com>; njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marlene: This is the best simple explanation that I have seen yet. THANK YOU! Regards, Mary Jo

Ancestry has a place where one can make corrections and explanations which I what I actually meant. The search page has a notation that there are corrections for the record and those can be read there. The listing is still wrong, however there is a blip to click on where those updates can be read. I agree with you in that the writing is difficult to read on some census pages. My ggrandmother Lusetta is listed as Susetta because the "L" really does look like an "S". Confounding the confusion is her mother is Susan on the census so a transcriber could have easily thought that her name was Susetta. I do have confirmed proof that her name was Lusetta, however there is another fly in the ointment in that is it sometimes spelled as "Lusetta" and sometimes "Lucetta". -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boscia Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:53 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I have no connection to Ancestry.com and only subscribe every so often But; In your example the only thing that they have an obligation to correct is the transcription error # 3. It would be nice if they dual index #1, As far as your grandmother's name - that is the name that was given to the census taker. Please have pity on volunteer transcribers, especially those who transcribe from the 16 and 1700's. Those records were written with a feather quill by a person who wrote what they heard. A lot of the time the only way a transcriber knows the name is if they know what the name should be. There is also the question on how to transcribe a f when the modern spelling is s, the same for l and r. Bill Boscia

I have no connection to Ancestry.com and only subscribe every so often But; In your example the only thing that they have an obligation to correct is the transcription error # 3. It would be nice if they dual index #1, As far as your grandmother's name - that is the name that was given to the census taker. Please have pity on volunteer transcribers, especially those who transcribe from the 16 and 1700's. Those records were written with a feather quill by a person who wrote what they heard. A lot of the time the only way a transcriber knows the name is if they know what the name should be. There is also the question on how to transcribe a f when the modern spelling is s, the same for l and r. Bill Boscia -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Lubinski Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:45 AM To: 'BMacKie' ; njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has a wonderful service for adding alternate information and posting it. I  have corrected many people in our line.   Mary ________________________________ From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: "njhunter@rootsweb.com" <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I recently politely asked Family Search to change a name of one of my great grandparents that they mispelled so badly it would have caused a newbie to search elsewhere in vain.  They politely said that that was the way it was transcribed, and it would stay that way.   That's the kind of thing that makes you want to pull out your hair at the roots (no pun intended).  At least they don't charge for the service(?).  ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: 'BMacKie' <lumackie@gmail.com>; njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted.  This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time.  ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted.  This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time.  ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently politely asked Family Search to change a name of one of my great grandparents that they mispelled so badly it would have caused a newbie to search elsewhere in vain.  They politely said that that was the way it was transcribed, and it would stay that way.   That's the kind of thing that makes you want to pull out your hair at the roots (no pun intended).  At least they don't charge for the service(?).  ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Lubinski <jwlube@ptd.net> To: 'BMacKie' <lumackie@gmail.com>; njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! I found that out with my very first search years ago! My grandfather's name is spelled Gonzol but pronounced Gernzel in phonetic Hungarian. Ancestry.com has the family in the 1920 census as Guernsey, my grandmother's name is listed as Mary (nor Borbala), and my mom is listed as Serena instead of Irene. There are 3 errors here in this family alone. The first two are due to the census taker, and the 3rd (my mom's name) is because the transcriber to Ancestry.com read Irene as Serena and that is how she is listed in their database. I made corrections to their files. In doing Ancestry searches one has to really "think outside the box". Sometimes it is not as easy as WDYTYA on tv portrays it to be. -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BMacKie Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:17 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com is questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted.  This is not a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time.  ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! To change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon Republican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were recorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 deaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also other New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the microfilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be verified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication would mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by going to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not connected to any Stouts that I know of. But, I do have a mystery with my DNA and NJ. My gg grandfather, Joseph Hart was born in NJ in about 1810. Cannot find his parents or where he was born. I did have my brother do a DNA and submitted it to Family tree Project. Found 3 good matches to people, but they do not know any more than I know. Then a Skillman family found matches to our Hart DNA. We are assuming that either a Hart or a Skillman was born out of wedlock or was adopted. So the mystery continues. Mel McClellan

Good luck getting Ancestry to change anything. Some of us remember when we discussed Bennet's Bagore on this list, a fictional place that shows up on Ancestry for the Kingwood Township census from, I believe 1830 or 1840. Even though the original images clearly said Kingwood Township, that is not what the indexes say. Oh, and they also have a listing for a Black River. It escapes me now what that actually turned out to be. I know they were contacted by people and asked to change it, but they never have. I wish you luck, Bill. Let us all know how you make out. -----Original Message----- From: BMacKie <lu2silly@yahoo.com> To: njhunter <njhunter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 6:22 am Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! Mr. Bill (I love that)....I suggest that nearly all information on Ancestry.com s questionable from the getgo and should never be taken for granted. This is ot a criticism, it is merely an observance over a twenty year period of time. ________________________________ From: Mr. Bill Hartman <mrbill1033@comcast.net> o: NJHUNTER <njhunter@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:12 PM ubject: [NJHUNTER] Newspaper Deaths in 1895 - Indexed as 1894! o change the current DNA hoopla, read on! I have discovered that nearly all the Deaths reported in the Hunterdon epublican newspaper that occurred from January 1, 1895 until June 30, 1895 were ecorded as '1894' in the Listings on Ancestry.com. This was seen in nearly 200 eaths and they occurred not only from deaths in Hunterdon County, but also ther New Jersey Counties. It is my opinion that the error is most likely due to the indexer who read the icrofilm of the originals and typed the wrong year. This opinion needs to be erified by someone who has access to the original data, since the implication ould mean that hundreds of deaths in the time period noted above are suspect. I will contact Ancestry.com and tell them my findings, which you may see by oing to the Hunterdon Republican Website, see below Regards, rBill unterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message isit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message