There is an old barn right across from Woodglen General store labeled White Hall. I also have a copy of a deed somewhere that mentions White Hall Farm, and the location is what I believe is Lebanon. The family that owned the property at the time of the deed were the Andersons, who lived in Bethlehem/Union area and were interred at Grandin Church. On 6/8/12 2:45 PM, "Mr. Bill Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net> wrote: > I don't have Hunterdon Place Names on my laptop, but to the best of my > knowledge, old White Hall is now Woodglen in Lebanon Tp. Hunterdon > Republican newspaper, visit:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DARYL HOFFMANN 918" > <DARYL_HOFFMANN_918@comcast.net> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, > June 8, 2012 1:49:25 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] John Stevens Bethlehem > Presbyterian Church Grandin (Race Street) Hunterdon County, NJ To note, I was > over there yesterday and with reference to the 'old' cemetery (looking uphill, > across the street from the church, to your left), the Reverend told me those > headstones were documented by a Boy Scout -- many of the stones are indeed > truly in a bad condition, however, but they do have a listing of many, with a > key for location.  I was looking (and found) Garrisons/Shafers. If you might > have a need to contact the Bethlehem Presbyterian Church (Grandin), use the > following:  bpchurchnj@gmail.com  reference Historian in the subject line.. >  One point of interest to me, most of the headstones appear blank from the > road (as I said, they are not in good condition), however, as I wandered up > the hill, if you look on the other side of the stone, the names (those which > you can read) are written --- it seemed that the names should appear facing > the road, but not so...reason? **** also, a prior e-mail mentioned White > Hall -- I believe that was in Lebanon Township and now called Woodglen > (intersects with Hill Road; near the Woodglen School).  Is that correct? > regards Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr. Bill Hartman > <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 > 16:22:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] John Stevens Thanks for > the thanks Pam, I spent nearly a whole day looking for my STIRES > ancestories in all those cemeteries that surround the church. Found some and > couldn't find others since many of  the old stones are either missing or > unreadable! Regards MrBill Hunterdon Republican > newspaper, visit:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ----- > Original Message ----- From: "Pamelyn" To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Sent: > Friday, June 8, 2012 11:59:59 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] John Stevens > Bill, Thank you. I copied all your references and will include them with > the information about the cemetery. This solves the problem of the origin of > the Old Frame Meeting House and cemetery. There are four separate and > somewhat distinct areas containing cemeteries around the Bethlehem > Presbyterian Church on Race street. One surrounds the church down the back > slope and on two sides, the other three are across the street. The oldest of > those three is first on the left as you turn on to Race Street with the church > on your right. It is not in good condition, and is on the highest point of the > street and looks down at the railroad tracks to the south. There is a brick > wall between it and the second middle burying ground which has later graves of > Presbyterian church members, then a currently-active cemetery is last called > Union Cemetery. I'm not certain which of these burial grounds was copied by > GSNJ many years ago. Perhaps John Stevens is buried somewhere near the > church.  Dr. Jonathan Ingham as well. As always, you're a fountain of > knowledge. Good luck on your journey, Pam -----Original Message----- > From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mr. Bill Hartman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:31 AM To: > njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] John Stevens I search > the newspapers for "John Stevens" and came up with these references which may > or may not be pertinent to the original question about the "Old F rame Meeting > House." Hunterdon Republican: 1. March 31, 1881 Category: > Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] EMLEY, John, did > not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at first from STEVENS, > John for ten years and then buying it. He became a Freeholder in 1774-5. > Category: Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] > EMLEY, John, did not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at > first from STEVENS, John for ten years and then buying it. He became a > Freeholder in 1774-5. 2. December 8, 1886 Brief News Item from > Everittstown. SLOUT, Philip, settled, previous to 1754, on the property > now occupied by BUTLER, Alonzo, between Everittstown and Frenchtown. His > residence was a log house which stood near the present road. How long he lived > there, we have not ascertained. He was, probably, the first settler on > that tract. On the 6 th day of June, 1755, he came under a lease from > JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John and PARKER, James, for ³all that Tract of > Land whereon the said Slout, Philip now lives,² for ³one year from the 26 > th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.² th day > of June, 1755, he came under a lease from JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John > and PARKER, James, for ³all that Tract of Land whereon the said Slout, Philip > now lives,² for ³one year from the 26 th day, of March, last past for > three pounds proclamation money.² th day, of March, last past for three > pounds proclamation money.² 3. August 2, 1893 Category: Trivia - > St. Thomas¹ Church Lot. A Historical sketch by RACE, Henry, Dr., of Pittstown. > The farm from which the church was set off was in the West Jersey Land > Society¹s Tract. In 1755, when that tract was surveyed into farm lots, > mapped, numbered and the parts not previously sold, divided between the > shareholders, this farm was allotted to STEVENS, John - [Hx]. His > brother, STEVENS, Lewis -[Hx], a sea faring man engaged in the West India > trade, met with a shipwreck and came home in reduced circumstances > financially. John gave him this farm gratuitously, or sold it to him > very cheap. He lived on it, called it the CORNWALL farm and the large > stone house, still standing, which he occupied, he called CORNWALL > mansion. The old Church, which stood on the other side of the road > opposite the present one, having become unfit for use. Lewis gave to the > parish the land on which to build a new one. FRAZER, William, Rev. -[Hx], > at that time Rector of St. Thomas¹ Church, in a letter to Rev. Dr. > Benton, Bishop of London, dated 20 October 1768, says: ³Š.Lewis > Stevens, a gentleman of distinguished piety, who has a considerable > interest in this parish has contributed for the use of this Church over an > acre of Land on which the New Church, is to be erected and is > singularly zealous in promoting the interest of the Church here.² This > implies that a deed of conveyance was given, probably, to the Wardens and > Vestrymen of the parish and their successors in office. This document > can not be found upon record and like many other important papers of > these times, presumably, was never recorded; what became of it, is not > known. The parish has held peaceable possession of the premises for over > 130 years; but the ³more than acre² conveyed by Stevens has shrunk, by > unfair encroachment, to considerably less than an acre. This venerable > Church stands on the summit of the divide between the Delaware and Raritan > watersheds. The first one [church] in that parish was erected in 1724. > No references in the Hunterdon Gazette or Hunterdon Democrat for a > John Stevens who lived in the time frame mentioned in the earlier emails. > Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican > newspaper, visit:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I search the newspapers for "John Stevens" and came up with these references which may or may not be pertinent to the original question about the "Old F rame Meeting House." Hunterdon Republican: 1. March 31, 1881 Category: Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] EMLEY, John, did not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at first from STEVENS, John for ten years and then buying it. He became a Freeholder in 1774-5. Category: Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] EMLEY, John, did not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at first from STEVENS, John for ten years and then buying it. He became a Freeholder in 1774-5. 2. December 8, 1886 Brief News Item from Everittstown. SLOUT, Philip, settled, previous to 1754, on the property now occupied by BUTLER, Alonzo, between Everittstown and Frenchtown. His residence was a log house which stood near the present road. How long he lived there, we have not ascertained. He was, probably, the first settler on that tract. On the 6 th day of June, 1755, he came under a lease from JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John and PARKER, James, for “all that Tract of Land whereon the said Slout, Philip now lives,” for “one year from the 26 th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” th day of June, 1755, he came under a lease from JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John and PARKER, James, for “all that Tract of Land whereon the said Slout, Philip now lives,” for “one year from the 26 th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” 3. August 2, 1893 Category: Trivia - St. Thomas’ Church Lot. A Historical sketch by RACE, Henry, Dr., of Pittstown. The farm from which the church was set off was in the West Jersey Land Society’s Tract. In 1755, when that tract was surveyed into farm lots, mapped, numbered and the parts not previously sold, divided between the shareholders, this farm was allotted to STEVENS, John - [Hx]. His brother, STEVENS, Lewis -[Hx], a sea faring man engaged in the West India trade, met with a shipwreck and came home in reduced circumstances financially. John gave him this farm gratuitously, or sold it to him very cheap. He lived on it, called it the CORNWALL farm and the large stone house, still standing, which he occupied, he called CORNWALL mansion. The old Church, which stood on the other side of the road opposite the present one, having become unfit for use. Lewis gave to the parish the land on which to build a new one. FRAZER, William, Rev. -[Hx], at that time Rector of St. Thomas’ Church, in a letter to Rev. Dr. Benton, Bishop of London, dated 20 October 1768, says: “….Lewis Stevens, a gentleman of distinguished piety, who has a considerable interest in this parish has contributed for the use of this Church over an acre of Land on which the New Church, is to be erected and is singularly zealous in promoting the interest of the Church here.” This implies that a deed of conveyance was given, probably, to the Wardens and Vestrymen of the parish and their successors in office. This document can not be found upon record and like many other important papers of these times, presumably, was never recorded; what became of it, is not known. The parish has held peaceable possession of the premises for over 130 years; but the “more than acre” conveyed by Stevens has shrunk, by unfair encroachment, to considerably less than an acre. This venerable Church stands on the summit of the divide between the Delaware and Raritan watersheds. The first one [church] in that parish was erected in 1724. No references in the Hunterdon Gazette or Hunterdon Democrat for a John Stevens who lived in the time frame mentioned in the earlier emails. Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/

Sorr y to join the conversation so late, but I have been in the car travelling from Florida to Virginia and just now got on-line. I searched the Hunterdon Gazette - 1825-1866, my T ext, Hunterdon Democrat - 1838-1888, Sutton's Text and Hunterdon Republican - 1855-1896, my Text for the words "frame house". There were hits similar to those already cited, but I have given the source. I have left off references to just a "frame house" if it had no connection to a "frame meeting house" or similar place where people would meet: Hunterdon Gazette 1. No. 40: Thursday, December 22, 1825. FARMS FOR SALE. A FARM in Bethlehem, At the cross roads from the hen’s foot to Pittstown, and from the old Frame Meeting House to Machlin’s Tavern , now in the tenure of Philip Case , containing about 155 acres. — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of wood, and good buildings. Etc. Machlin’s Tavern , now in the tenure of Philip Case , containing about 155 acres. — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of wood, and good buildings. Etc. Philip Case , containing about 155 acres. — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of wood, and good buildings. Etc. 2. No. 144. Wednesday, December 19, 1827. Sale of Real Estate. By virtue of an order of the Orphans Court of the county of Hunterdon, WILL BE SOLD, AT PUBLIC AUCTION, On Wednesday the 13 th day of February next, between the hours of 12 and 5 o'clock P. M. On the premises, all that PLANTATION whereof Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th day of February next, between the hours of 12 and 5 o'clock P. M. On the premises, all that PLANTATION whereof Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Sale of Real Estate. By virtue of an order of the Orphans Court of the county of Hunterdon, WILL BE SOLD, AT PUBLIC AUCTION, On Wednesday the 13 th day of February next, between the hours of 12 and 5 o'clock P. M. On the premises, all that PLANTATION whereof Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th day of February next, between the hours of 12 and 5 o'clock P. M. On the premises, all that PLANTATION whereof Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt , and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. 3. No. 208. Wednesday, March 18, 1829. Married:  26 th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. to Miss Elizabeth Wilson , daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. , sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. 4. No. 227. Wednesday, July 29, 1829 . Hunterdon Bible Society . The annual meeting of this Society will be held on the 3d Tuesday of August, the 18 th , at the Presbyterian Church in Bethlehem, (usually known by the name of the Old Frame,) at 11 o’clock A. M. . The annual meeting of this Society will be held on the 3d Tuesday of August, the 18 th , at the Presbyterian Church in Bethlehem, (usually known by the name of the Old Frame,) at 11 o’clock A. M. th , at the Presbyterian Church in Bethlehem, (usually known by the name of the Old Frame,) at 11 o’clock A. M. 5. No. 240.Wednesday, October 28, 1829 . Hunterdon Bible Society . . An adjourned meeting of this Society will be held at the Presbyte rian Church in Bethlehem, usually known by the name of the Old Frame, on Tuesday next the 3d of November, at 11 o’clock A. M. Hunterdon Democrat - only one reference to an "old frame" house, but not relevant Hunterdon Republican: [full details on the Internet] 6. August 14, 1889 [This may be the best of all references!] Category: Trivia - Proud Day for an Old Church. Date: 7 Aug. 1889. Celebration of Forty-Years of WILLIAMSON, J. Gilliard, Rev. [Joseph G.] pastorate in the Bethlehem Presbyterian Church, a Memorable occasion in the County’s History. Etc. A short history of the Bethlehem Presbyterian Church: [couple of paragraphs not copied] The first house of worship of this old society was a log structure, which in 1760 was succeeded by a frame building. In 1830, the “Old Frame” was replaced by a stone building and from that day, the church is commonly spoken of as the “New Stone,” although in 1870, it was replaced by the present large and handsome frame building. The old burial ground of the last century - West of the church building, though by no means deserted, has also been followed by a new cemetery, handsomely laid out and well kept and where many imposing monuments of marble and granite already commemorate the passing of the later generations. [The Hunterdon Republican , cited the Clinton Democrat for the above Item.] Hunterdon Republican , cited the Clinton Democrat for the above Item.] 7. June 24, 1891 A Bit of History. The following, which appears in the Doylestown Democrat , concerning the death of INGHAM, Jonathan, Dr. -[Hx], in 1793, is taken from the book of records of the late LIVEZEY, Cyrus -[Hx]: In a letter addressed to my friend, J. D. A., by BLAINE, John, Dr., of Hunterdon County, N. J., the following information in relation to Dr. Jonathan Ingham is communicated: He died on his way to Schooley’s mountain, by the roadside and was interred in the graveyard of the Presbyterian Church, in Bethlehem Township, about a mile from Clinton, N. J.; and the stone erected to his memory bears the following inscription: Sacred to the memory of Dr. Jonathan Ingham. Who Fell a Victim to the Yellow Fever, On the First of October, 1793, Aged 49 Years. Soon as man expert from time has found The key of life - it opens the gates of death. This place was formerly called Hunt’s Mills and the church was called the “old frame.” It is one of the oldest burying grounds in the County. Doylestown Democrat , concerning the death of INGHAM, Jonathan, Dr. -[Hx], in 1793, is taken from the book of records of the late LIVEZEY, Cyrus -[Hx]: In a letter addressed to my friend, J. D. A., by BLAINE, John, Dr., of Hunterdon County, N. J., the following information in relation to Dr. Jonathan Ingham is communicated: He died on his way to Schooley’s mountain, by the roadside and was interred in the graveyard of the Presbyterian Church, in Bethlehem Township, about a mile from Clinton, N. J.; and the stone erected to his memory bears the following inscription: Sacred to the memory of Dr. Jonathan Ingham. Who Fell a Victim to the Yellow Fever, On the First of October, 1793, Aged 49 Years. Soon as man expert from time has found The key of life - it opens the gates of death. This place was formerly called Hunt’s Mills and the church was called the “old frame.” It is one of the oldest burying grounds in the County. Other references in the Republican were not pertinent. Hope this helps, Regard, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/

Bill, Thank you. I copied all your references and will include them with the information about the cemetery. This solves the problem of the origin of the Old Frame Meeting House and cemetery. There are four separate and somewhat distinct areas containing cemeteries around the Bethlehem Presbyterian Church on Race street. One surrounds the church down the back slope and on two sides, the other three are across the street. The oldest of those three is first on the left as you turn on to Race Street with the church on your right. It is not in good condition, and is on the highest point of the street and looks down at the railroad tracks to the south. There is a brick wall between it and the second middle burying ground which has later graves of Presbyterian church members, then a currently-active cemetery is last called Union Cemetery. I'm not certain which of these burial grounds was copied by GSNJ many years ago. Perhaps John Stevens is buried somewhere near the church. Dr. Jonathan Ingham as well. As always, you're a fountain of knowledge. Good luck on your journey, Pam -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Bill Hartman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:31 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] John Stevens I search the newspapers for "John Stevens" and came up with these references which may or may not be pertinent to the original question about the "Old F rame Meeting House." Hunterdon Republican: 1. March 31, 1881 Category: Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] EMLEY, John, did not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at first from STEVENS, John for ten years and then buying it. He became a Freeholder in 1774-5. Category: Trivia - The EMLEY Family. [one item of many selected] EMLEY, John, did not marry and lived at White Hall after 1765, renting at first from STEVENS, John for ten years and then buying it. He became a Freeholder in 1774-5. 2. December 8, 1886 Brief News Item from Everittstown. SLOUT, Philip, settled, previous to 1754, on the property now occupied by BUTLER, Alonzo, between Everittstown and Frenchtown. His residence was a log house which stood near the present road. How long he lived there, we have not ascertained. He was, probably, the first settler on that tract. On the 6 th day of June, 1755, he came under a lease from JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John and PARKER, James, for “all that Tract of Land whereon the said Slout, Philip now lives,” for “one year from the 26 th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” th day of June, 1755, he came under a lease from JOHNSTON, Andrew; STEVENS, John and PARKER, James, for “all that Tract of Land whereon the said Slout, Philip now lives,” for “one year from the 26 th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” th day, of March, last past for three pounds proclamation money.” 3. August 2, 1893 Category: Trivia - St. Thomas’ Church Lot. A Historical sketch by RACE, Henry, Dr., of Pittstown. The farm from which the church was set off was in the West Jersey Land Society’s Tract. In 1755, when that tract was surveyed into farm lots, mapped, numbered and the parts not previously sold, divided between the shareholders, this farm was allotted to STEVENS, John - [Hx]. His brother, STEVENS, Lewis -[Hx], a sea faring man engaged in the West India trade, met with a shipwreck and came home in reduced circumstances financially. John gave him this farm gratuitously, or sold it to him very cheap. He lived on it, called it the CORNWALL farm and the large stone house, still standing, which he occupied, he called CORNWALL mansion. The old Church, which stood on the other side of the road opposite the present one, having become unfit for use. Lewis gave to the parish the land on which to build a new one. FRAZER, William, Rev. -[Hx], at that time Rector of St. Thomas’ Church, in a letter to Rev. Dr. Benton, Bishop of London, dated 20 October 1768, says: “….Lewis Stevens, a gentleman of distinguished piety, who has a considerable interest in this parish has contributed for the use of this Church over an acre of Land on which the New Church, is to be erected and is singularly zealous in promoting the interest of the Church here.” This implies that a deed of conveyance was given, probably, to the Wardens and Vestrymen of the parish and their successors in office. This document can not be found upon record and like many other important papers of these times, presumably, was never recorded; what became of it, is not known. The parish has held peaceable possession of the premises for over 130 years; but the “more than acre” conveyed by Stevens has shrunk, by unfair encroachment, to considerably less than an acre. This venerable Church stands on the summit of the divide between the Delaware and Raritan watersheds. The first one [church] in that parish was erected in 1724. No references in the Hunterdon Gazette or Hunterdon Democrat for a John Stevens who lived in the time frame mentioned in the earlier emails. Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I thought from the description that it might be the Bethlehem Presbyterian churchyard in Union Twp. Stevens lived in that neighborhood, I believe. But find-a-grave doesn't include him there. Can't believe his gravesite is not already known. Marfy *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ * On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Pamelyn <ppb579@frontier.com> wrote: > Thank you Nancy, these are good clues. > What year is the wedding of John Little to Elizabeth Wilson? > I wonder if it is the same meeting house. Bethlehem and Kingwood are a > distance from Lambertville. Could this be the old meeting house in > Quakertown, just outside of Pittstown? > Marfy? Mr. Bill? Have either of you seen or heard of any other location > references to a Frame Meeting House with a cemetery in Hunterdon County? > Terry McNealy has a reference question addressed to HCHS and I let him down > by not including any information about this cemetery in our survey. (A note > on the cemetery listing page just says " unknown... needs more research".) > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Nancy_J > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:43 PM > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery > > Here is another one > > MARRIED, > On Thursday the 26th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem > township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson, > daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson, sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. > > Farm for Sale > A FARM in Bethlehem, > At the cross roads from the hen’s foot to Pittstown, and from the old > Frame Meeting House to Machlin’s Tavern, now in the tenure of Philip Case, > containing about 155 acres. > — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of > wood, and good buildings. > > > > Nancy J > > · BucksCountyHistory > · Bucks GenWeb > · Northampton > · Nockamixon > > > >________________________________ > > From: Pamelyn <ppb579@frontier.com> > >To: NJHUNTER <NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:15 PM > >Subject: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery > > > >Can someone tell me where this cemetery is located? The website: > >http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NJ/ > > > >entries has John Stevens, delegate to the Continental Congress, buried > >at this cemetery in Lambertville in 1792. There is a link to the > >Biographical Directory of the United States Congress for John Stevens: > > > >STEVENS, John, a Delegate from New Jersey; born in Perth Amboy, N.J., > >in 1715; merchant and shipowner; engaged in trading with the West > >Indies and Madeira; large landowner and mine owner in Hunterdon, Union, > >and Somerset Counties; member of the general colonial assembly in 1751; > >was a member of the defense committee to protect New York and New > >Jersey against Indian depredations; commissioner to the Indians in > >1758; paymaster of Colonel Schuyler's regiment, the "Old Blues," > >1756-1760; as a resident of New York City in 1765 was one of the > >committee of four who prevented the issue of stamps; in 1774 was > >appointed a commissioner to define the boundary line between New York > >and New Jersey; vice president of the council of New Jersey 1770-1782; > >served as president of the council of East Jersey proprietors in 1783; > >Member of the Continental Congress in 1784; presided over the state > >ratification convention December 18, 1787; died in Hoboken, Hudson > >County, N.J., May 10, 1792; interment in the Frame Meeting House > Cemetery, Hunterdon County, N.J. > > > >And someone added his name and dates on Find A Grave under that > >cemetery name in Lambertville. > > > >Pam > > > >This list is adoptable. If you would like to volunteer to adminster > >this list, click here: > >http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Nancy, these are good clues. What year is the wedding of John Little to Elizabeth Wilson? I wonder if it is the same meeting house. Bethlehem and Kingwood are a distance from Lambertville. Could this be the old meeting house in Quakertown, just outside of Pittstown? Marfy? Mr. Bill? Have either of you seen or heard of any other location references to a Frame Meeting House with a cemetery in Hunterdon County? Terry McNealy has a reference question addressed to HCHS and I let him down by not including any information about this cemetery in our survey. (A note on the cemetery listing page just says " unknown... needs more research".) Pam -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy_J Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:43 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery Here is another one MARRIED, On Thursday the 26th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson, daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson, sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem. Farm for Sale A FARM in Bethlehem, At the cross roads from the hen’s foot to Pittstown, and from the old Frame Meeting House to Machlin’s Tavern, now in the tenure of Philip Case, containing about 155 acres. — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of wood, and good buildings. Nancy J · BucksCountyHistory · Bucks GenWeb · Northampton · Nockamixon >________________________________ > From: Pamelyn <ppb579@frontier.com> >To: NJHUNTER <NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:15 PM >Subject: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery > >Can someone tell me where this cemetery is located? The website: >http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NJ/ > >entries has John Stevens, delegate to the Continental Congress, buried >at this cemetery in Lambertville in 1792. There is a link to the >Biographical Directory of the United States Congress for John Stevens: > >STEVENS, John, a Delegate from New Jersey; born in Perth Amboy, N.J., >in 1715; merchant and shipowner; engaged in trading with the West >Indies and Madeira; large landowner and mine owner in Hunterdon, Union, >and Somerset Counties; member of the general colonial assembly in 1751; >was a member of the defense committee to protect New York and New >Jersey against Indian depredations; commissioner to the Indians in >1758; paymaster of Colonel Schuyler's regiment, the "Old Blues," >1756-1760; as a resident of New York City in 1765 was one of the >committee of four who prevented the issue of stamps; in 1774 was >appointed a commissioner to define the boundary line between New York >and New Jersey; vice president of the council of New Jersey 1770-1782; >served as president of the council of East Jersey proprietors in 1783; >Member of the Continental Congress in 1784; presided over the state >ratification convention December 18, 1787; died in Hoboken, Hudson >County, N.J., May 10, 1792; interment in the Frame Meeting House Cemetery, Hunterdon County, N.J. > >And someone added his name and dates on Find A Grave under that >cemetery name in Lambertville. > >Pam > >This list is adoptable. If you would like to volunteer to adminster >this list, click here: >http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am on the train to Phila but will check the date when I get home. Sorry I forgot the date. NANCY -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:41:00 am To: "'Nancy_J'" <ncj@epix.net>,njhunter@rootsweb.com From: "Pamelyn" <ppb579@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery Thank you Nancy, these are good clues. What year is the wedding of John Little to Elizabeth Wilson? I wonder if it is the same meeting house. Bethlehem and Kingwood are a distance from Lambertville. Could this be the old meeting house in Quakertown, just outside of Pittstown? Marfy? Mr. Bill? Have either of you seen or heard of any other location references to a Frame Meeting House with a cemetery in Hunterdon County? Terry McNealy has a reference question addressed to HCHS and I let him down by not including any information about this cemetery in our survey. (A note on the cemetery listing page just says " unknown... needs more research".) Pam -----Original Message----- From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy_J Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:43 PM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery Here is another one MARRIED, On Thursday the 26th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W

Here is another one   MARRIED, On Thursday the 26th ult. at the Old Frame Meeting-house, in Bethlehem township, by the Rev. H. W. Hunt, Mr. John Little to Miss Elizabeth Wilson, daughter of Mr. Andrew Wilson, sen. dec’d, all of Bethlehem.   Farm for Sale A FARM in Bethlehem, At the cross roads from the hen’s foot to Pittstown, and from the old Frame Meeting House to Machlin’s Tavern, now in the tenure of Philip Case, containing about 155 acres. — this farm is favorably situated, has a lasting water, a proportion of wood, and good buildings.     Nancy J ·         BucksCountyHistory ·         Bucks GenWeb ·         Northampton ·         Nockamixon >________________________________ > From: Pamelyn <ppb579@frontier.com> >To: NJHUNTER <NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:15 PM >Subject: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery > >Can someone tell me where this cemetery is located? The website: >http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NJ/ > >entries has John Stevens, delegate to the Continental Congress, buried at >this cemetery in Lambertville in 1792. There is a link to the Biographical >Directory of the United States Congress for John Stevens: > >STEVENS, John, a Delegate from New Jersey; born in Perth Amboy, N.J., in >1715; merchant and shipowner; engaged in trading with the West Indies and >Madeira; large landowner and mine owner in Hunterdon, Union, and Somerset >Counties; member of the general colonial assembly in 1751; was a member of >the defense committee to protect New York and New Jersey against Indian >depredations; commissioner to the Indians in 1758; paymaster of Colonel >Schuyler's regiment, the "Old Blues," 1756-1760; as a resident of New York >City in 1765 was one of the committee of four who prevented the issue of >stamps; in 1774 was appointed a commissioner to define the boundary line >between New York and New Jersey; vice president of the council of New Jersey >1770-1782; served as president of the council of East Jersey proprietors in >1783; Member of the Continental Congress in 1784; presided over the state >ratification convention December 18, 1787; died in Hoboken, Hudson County, >N.J., May 10, 1792; interment in the Frame Meeting House Cemetery, Hunterdon >County, N.J. > >And someone added his name and dates on Find A Grave under that cemetery >name in Lambertville. > >Pam > >This list is adoptable. If you would like to volunteer to adminster this list, click here: http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sale of Real Estate. By virtue of an order of the Orphans Court of the county of Hunterdon, WILL BE SOLD, AT PUBLIC AUCTION, On Wednesday the 13th day of February next, between the hours of 12 and 5 o'clock P. M. On the premises, all that PLANTATION whereof Josiah Briggs died seised, situate in the township of Kingwood, County of Hunterdon aforesaid, lying on the South Branch of Raritan River, about 5 miles from Flemington and 3 from the Old Frame Meeting-house, adjoining lands of James Johnson, Jacob S. Demutt, and others, containing 25 acres of land more or less, a suitable proportion of which is timber land. There is appendant [sic] to the premises a house and barn, together with an Excellent Mill Seat, on which is erected a Saw and Grist Mill now in operation, with a surplus of water power, at all times sufficient to turn a carding machine, fulling mill, &c. Persons wishing to purchase will do well to call and give us a bid, for property of this description is seldom to be purchased at public auction. Conditions made known at the sale, by Joseph Reading, Ross Jones, Adams C. Davis, Commissioners. December 10, 1827. 19-8   Nancy J ·         BucksCountyHistory ·         Bucks GenWeb ·         Northampton ·         Nockamixon >________________________________ > From: Pamelyn <ppb579@frontier.com> >To: NJHUNTER <NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:15 PM >Subject: [NJHUNTER] Frame Meeting House Cemetery > >Can someone tell me where this cemetery is located? The website: >http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NJ/ > >entries has John Stevens, delegate to the Continental Congress, buried at >this cemetery in Lambertville in 1792. There is a link to the Biographical >Directory of the United States Congress for John Stevens: > >STEVENS, John, a Delegate from New Jersey; born in Perth Amboy, N.J., in >1715; merchant and shipowner; engaged in trading with the West Indies and >Madeira; large landowner and mine owner in Hunterdon, Union, and Somerset >Counties; member of the general colonial assembly in 1751; was a member of >the defense committee to protect New York and New Jersey against Indian >depredations; commissioner to the Indians in 1758; paymaster of Colonel >Schuyler's regiment, the "Old Blues," 1756-1760; as a resident of New York >City in 1765 was one of the committee of four who prevented the issue of >stamps; in 1774 was appointed a commissioner to define the boundary line >between New York and New Jersey; vice president of the council of New Jersey >1770-1782; served as president of the council of East Jersey proprietors in >1783; Member of the Continental Congress in 1784; presided over the state >ratification convention December 18, 1787; died in Hoboken, Hudson County, >N.J., May 10, 1792; interment in the Frame Meeting House Cemetery, Hunterdon >County, N.J. > >And someone added his name and dates on Find A Grave under that cemetery >name in Lambertville. > >Pam > >This list is adoptable. If you would like to volunteer to adminster this list, click here: http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Can someone tell me where this cemetery is located? The website: http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NJ/ entries has John Stevens, delegate to the Continental Congress, buried at this cemetery in Lambertville in 1792. There is a link to the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress for John Stevens: STEVENS, John, a Delegate from New Jersey; born in Perth Amboy, N.J., in 1715; merchant and shipowner; engaged in trading with the West Indies and Madeira; large landowner and mine owner in Hunterdon, Union, and Somerset Counties; member of the general colonial assembly in 1751; was a member of the defense committee to protect New York and New Jersey against Indian depredations; commissioner to the Indians in 1758; paymaster of Colonel Schuyler's regiment, the "Old Blues," 1756-1760; as a resident of New York City in 1765 was one of the committee of four who prevented the issue of stamps; in 1774 was appointed a commissioner to define the boundary line between New York and New Jersey; vice president of the council of New Jersey 1770-1782; served as president of the council of East Jersey proprietors in 1783; Member of the Continental Congress in 1784; presided over the state ratification convention December 18, 1787; died in Hoboken, Hudson County, N.J., May 10, 1792; interment in the Frame Meeting House Cemetery, Hunterdon County, N.J. And someone added his name and dates on Find A Grave under that cemetery name in Lambertville. Pam

Thank you gentlemen for the excellent response. I guess I'll have to try another search engine when Google fails!!!!! The answer is now quite obvious to me since one person who was in the "Salt River Boat" was a Democrat - BLACKWELL, Oliver I., of Ringoes and this was a Republican celebration for the victory of McKinley. The other person is in the Abstracts of the Hunterdon Republican but his political affiliation is so far unknown - DOBBINS, William, of Sergeantsville. Again, Thank you and as far as I am concerned my question has been answered. Regards MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ ----- Original Message ----- According to the Dictionary of Americanisms by John Russell Bartlett: TO ROW UP SALT RIVER, is a common phrase, used generally to signify political defeat. The distance to which a party is rowed up Salt river depends entirely upon the magnitude of the majority against its candidates. If the defeat is particularly overwhelming, the unsuccessful party is rowed up to the very head waters of Salt river. It is occasionally used as nearly synonymous with to row up, as in the following example, but this application is rare: Judge Clayton made a speech that fairly made the tumblers hop. He rowed the Tories up and over Salt river.--Crockett, Tour Down East, p. 46. To row up Salt river has its origin in the fact that there is a small stream of that name in Kentucky, the passage of which is made difficult and laborious as well by its tortuous course as by the abundance of shallows and bars. The real ----- p. 280 application of the phrase is to the unhappy wight who has the task of propelling the boat up the stream; but in political or slang usage it is to those who are rowed up--the passengers, not the oarsman. [J. Inman.] In a message dated 6/3/2012 11:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrbill1033@comcast.net writes: Calling all historians on this one! There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me any information about what the term meant. Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! Thanking you all for your time, Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father, who was born in Stroudsburg PA in Nov 1916 and whose pat grandfather came from Hunterdon County told me years ago something about how he ws born on the night of "the Salt River Parade" but I never knew what that meant and never asked. Now I know. The parade in Stroudsburg that November must have been late, as election was Nov 7 and he was born Nov 14. Wilson won narrowly over Charles Evans Hughes, who was a solid candidate. Stephen Shafer Quoting "Mr. Bill Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net>: > > > Thank you gentlemen for the excellent response. I guess I'll have to > try another search engine when Google fails!!!!! > > The answer is now quite obvious to me since one person who was in > the "Salt River Boat" was a Democrat - BLACKWELL, Oliver I., of > Ringoes and this was a Republican celebration for the victory of > McKinley. The other person is in the Abstracts of the Hunterdon > Republican but his political affiliation is so far unknown - > DOBBINS, William, of Sergeantsville. > > Again, Thank you and as far as I am concerned my question has been answered. > Regards > MrBill > > > > > > > > Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > According to the Dictionary of Americanisms by John Russell Bartlett: > > > TO ROW UP SALT RIVER, is a common phrase, used generally to signify > political defeat. The distance to which a party is rowed up Salt > river depends > entirely upon the magnitude of the majority against its candidates. If the > defeat is particularly overwhelming, the unsuccessful party is rowed up to > the very head waters of Salt river. > It is occasionally used as nearly synonymous with to row up, as in the > following example, but this application is rare: > > Judge Clayton made a speech that fairly made the tumblers hop. He rowed > the Tories up and over Salt river.--Crockett, Tour Down East, p. 46. > To row up Salt river has its origin in the fact that there is a small > stream of that name in Kentucky, the passage of which is made difficult and > laborious as well by its tortuous course as by the abundance of shallows and > bars. The real > ----- > p. 280 > application of the phrase is to the unhappy wight who has the task of > propelling the boat up the stream; but in political or slang usage it is to > those who are rowed up--the passengers, not the oarsman. [J. Inman.] > > > In a message dated 6/3/2012 11:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mrbill1033@comcast.net writes: > > Calling all historians on this one! > > There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the > occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A > number of > wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 > entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" > > I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total > listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me > any information about what the term meant. > > Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? > As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! > > Thanking you all for your time, > Regards, > MrBill > > > > > > > > > > Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Stephen Quentin Shafer

Calling all historians on this one! There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me any information about what the term meant. Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! Thanking you all for your time, Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/

This might be the answer Bill is looking for as the Hunterdon Democrat article notes that the celebration was undertaken by the McKinley victors. Dennis On 6/3/2012 1:48 PM, KSciarello@aol.com wrote: > According to the Dictionary of Americanisms by John Russell Bartlett: > > > TO ROW UP SALT RIVER, is a common phrase, used generally to signify > political defeat. The distance to which a party is rowed up Salt river depends > entirely upon the magnitude of the majority against its candidates. If the > defeat is particularly overwhelming, the unsuccessful party is rowed up to > the very head waters of Salt river. > It is occasionally used as nearly synonymous with to row up, as in the > following example, but this application is rare: > > Judge Clayton made a speech that fairly made the tumblers hop. He rowed > the Tories up and over Salt river.--Crockett, Tour Down East, p. 46. > To row up Salt river has its origin in the fact that there is a small > stream of that name in Kentucky, the passage of which is made difficult and > laborious as well by its tortuous course as by the abundance of shallows and > bars. The real > ----- > p. 280 > application of the phrase is to the unhappy wight who has the task of > propelling the boat up the stream; but in political or slang usage it is to > those who are rowed up--the passengers, not the oarsman. [J. Inman.] > > > In a message dated 6/3/2012 11:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mrbill1033@comcast.net writes: > > Calling all historians on this one! > > There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the > occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of > wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 > entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" > > I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total > listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me > any information about what the term meant. > > Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? > As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! > > Thanking you all for your time, > Regards, > MrBill > > > > > > > > > > Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to the Dictionary of Americanisms by John Russell Bartlett: TO ROW UP SALT RIVER, is a common phrase, used generally to signify political defeat. The distance to which a party is rowed up Salt river depends entirely upon the magnitude of the majority against its candidates. If the defeat is particularly overwhelming, the unsuccessful party is rowed up to the very head waters of Salt river. It is occasionally used as nearly synonymous with to row up, as in the following example, but this application is rare: Judge Clayton made a speech that fairly made the tumblers hop. He rowed the Tories up and over Salt river.--Crockett, Tour Down East, p. 46. To row up Salt river has its origin in the fact that there is a small stream of that name in Kentucky, the passage of which is made difficult and laborious as well by its tortuous course as by the abundance of shallows and bars. The real ----- p. 280 application of the phrase is to the unhappy wight who has the task of propelling the boat up the stream; but in political or slang usage it is to those who are rowed up--the passengers, not the oarsman. [J. Inman.] In a message dated 6/3/2012 11:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrbill1033@comcast.net writes: Calling all historians on this one! There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me any information about what the term meant. Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! Thanking you all for your time, Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, Found mention of the parade in the Hunterdon Democrat but it said nothing of a "salt river boat" Dennis On 6/3/2012 11:29 AM, Mr. Bill Hartman wrote: > Calling all historians on this one! > > There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" > > I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me any information about what the term meant. > > Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? > As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! > > Thanking you all for your time, > Regards, > MrBill > > > > > > > > > > Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Bing search engine returns some interesting history about this phrase. http://bullittcountyhistory.org/bchistory/rowed.html Richard Moore, Solana Beach, CA -----Original Message----- From: KSciarello@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:48 AM To: njhunter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] "Salt River Boat" According to the Dictionary of Americanisms by John Russell Bartlett: TO ROW UP SALT RIVER, is a common phrase, used generally to signify political defeat. The distance to which a party is rowed up Salt river depends entirely upon the magnitude of the majority against its candidates. If the defeat is particularly overwhelming, the unsuccessful party is rowed up to the very head waters of Salt river. It is occasionally used as nearly synonymous with to row up, as in the following example, but this application is rare: Judge Clayton made a speech that fairly made the tumblers hop. He rowed the Tories up and over Salt river.--Crockett, Tour Down East, p. 46. To row up Salt river has its origin in the fact that there is a small stream of that name in Kentucky, the passage of which is made difficult and laborious as well by its tortuous course as by the abundance of shallows and bars. The real ----- p. 280 application of the phrase is to the unhappy wight who has the task of propelling the boat up the stream; but in political or slang usage it is to those who are rowed up--the passengers, not the oarsman. [J. Inman.] In a message dated 6/3/2012 11:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrbill1033@comcast.net writes: Calling all historians on this one! There was a celebratory parade in Flemington on 17 Nov. 1896, on the occasion of the election of McKinley to the presidency of the USA. A number of wagons, marching groups, horses and what-nots participated. There were 2 entries that were noted with the quotation marks: "Salt River Boat" I Googled the term and did get 2 hits that may be relevant out of 39 total listed. Most were advertisements. Unfortunately, the hits did not give me any information about what the term meant. Does anyone know what that meant way back in the late 1800s? As always, I appreciate facts and not guesses and assumptions!!!!! Thanking you all for your time, Regards, MrBill Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jerry, The 1700s are relatively easy and if your line follows Samuel (I) and (II) I have decent records. The easiest way to come current with Jon's work is to be to go to his Rootsweb site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jonkh/index.htm Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA On May 23, 2012, at 6:04 AM, moosie05 wrote: > How can a person contact Jon Holcombe regards to the New Jersey > Holcombes in the 1700's? > > Any shared information most greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Jerry Forman > > njhunter-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: George S. Holcombe, Lambertville (Jack Fallin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:36:35 -0700 >> From: Jack Fallin<jakff@astound.net> >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID:<B7BDFD98-7FAE-4B47-AE57-771DCBAC5290@astound.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Dear Mary Jo and Marcy, >> >> On behalf of the Hunterdon Holcombes I would like to thank you both for locating and explaining this helpful information. I'm a somewhat narrow focus "direct line" researcher, so I have very little information outside that line. The result is that my only "George" was in the 1700s. However, I think Jon Holcombe (who keeps a whole family file) monitors this list and will be able to incorporate this information. This list is unique in the extent to which those living in and visiting the area share information with all the rest of us. It's deeply appreciated. >> >> Reading this back, "direct line" may make me look a bit lazier than I really am. I run 8 lines in depth (both mine and my wife's grandparents) and run every wife in each line's family back as far as possible. I'm not sure how many others follow a similar path, but it's kept me busy! >> >> Jack Fallin >> Walnut Creek, CA >> >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 3:34 AM, Marfy Goodspeed wrote: >> >>> Dear Mary Jo, >>> >>> James J. Fisher was the Hon. James Johnson Fisher (1784-1870), freeholder >>> for Delaware twp. when it was created in 1838, who died childless. Martha >>> Fisher was, according to my software, a second cousin once removed from J. >>> J. Fisher. Why she and her husband would be living with him in 1860, I >>> cannot say. >>> >>> The parents of Charles Johnson are still a mystery. A clue lies in the 1880 >>> census for West Amwell, where Charles 48 and Martha R. 46 are living with >>> sons Fisher C. 23 and George 14, and grandson Holcombe Johnson 3, along >>> with *uncle* Peter Phillips 65. On the same page are Elnathan Phillips 62 >>> and Israel Phillips 38. I don't know enough about the Phillips family to >>> make the connection. >>> >>> Marfy >>> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >>> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >>> * >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Mary Jo C. Martin< >>> mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> Sarah F. Holcombe's mother, Martha R. Fisher Johnson, is buried in Amwell >>>> Ridge Cemetery, Ringoes, according to Find A Grave. There's no indication >>>> of who her spouse might have been. >>>> >>>> In the 1860 US census for Delaware, Hunterdon, New Jersey, I found the >>>> following household: >>>> >>>> Name Age >>>> James J Fisher 75 (farmer) >>>> Chas Johnson 28 (farmer) >>>> Martha Johnson 26 >>>> Sarah Johnson 4 >>>> Fisher Johnson 3 >>>> John Walker 16 (laborer) >>>> James W Naylor 13 >>>> Emma P Chedister 18 (servant) >>>> >>>> All were born in NJ. There are other Fishers either side of them. >>>> >>>> There is a Charles Johnson buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery, but without >>>> further research I cannot be sure that this is Martha's husband and Sarah's >>>> father. >>>> >>>> James J. Fisher was buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery. Fisher Johnson was >>>> buried at Mount Hope, Lambertville. >>>> >>>> Richard L. Godown of Caledonia, New York, in his website Godown Family >>>> History, http://thegodowns.com/d8/i0014997.htm , names George S. >>>> Holcombe's >>>> parents as Andrew W. Holcombe and Sarah Sheppard. Andrew was buried at >>>> Second English Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Amwell. Sarah's burial place >>>> is unknown. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mary Jo C. Martin >>>> Melbourne, Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Marfy Goodspeed >>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 1:56 AM >>>> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >>>> >>>> Bingo, Mary Jo, >>>> That Sarah F. has to be the wife of George S. And the other two must be >>>> their children. Or a son and his wife. The censuses should established >>>> that. (Too busy to look them up.) >>>> Marfy >>>> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >>>> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Mary Jo C. Martin< >>>> mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Me, me, me! Don't lose me, MrBill! >>>>> >>>>> mjcmartin (at) optusnet (dot) com (dot) au >>>>> >>>>> The only reason I listed George S. Holcombe in Holcombe-Riverview >>>> Cemetery >>>>> on Find A Grave was that I'd taken a photo of his memorial. One of my >>>>> great-aunts (Catherine Reid Holcombe, Lambertville town nurse) was >>>> married >>>>> to a Holcombe, so I walked the cemetery photographing all Holcombes in >>>>> order >>>>> to help myself piece her husband's immediate family together. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have any other information on George S. Holcombe. >>>>> >>>>> I can tell you who he's buried with (in the same plot), but I don't know >>>>> the >>>>> relationships of these people to each other so I couldn't link them via >>>>> Find >>>>> A Grave: >>>>> Edna F Holcombe 1881-1926 >>>>> Marvin J Holcombe 1879-1949 >>>>> Sarah F Holcombe 1855-1925 >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Mary Jo >>>>> >>>>> Mary Jo C. Martin >>>>> 9 Heysen Grove >>>>> Doncaster East VIC 3109 >>>>> Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>>> njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>>> On Behalf Of Mr. Bill Hartman >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012 10:19 PM >>>>> To: NJHUNTER >>>>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >>>>> >>>>> The Hunterdon Republican gives a very short obit for "George S. >>>> Holcombe," >>>>> b. 1852; d. 10 May 1896. >>>>> >>>>> He was listed in the "Findagrave.com" by Mary Jo C. Martin, whose email I >>>>> must have lost during my computer's crash a year or so ago! >>>>> >>>>> I was unable to positively identify him in any Census Record, but he was >>>>> listed as having been married, in the NJ Death Index. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have the name of his wife and/or children, so I can add it to >>>>> the abstracts of the Hunterdon Republican newspaper? He was also noted to >>>>> have been a "Merch'T" - Merchant? in the New Jersey Death Index; any >>>>> information on what kind of merchant? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for checking, >>>>> MrBill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NJHUNTER list administrator, send an email to >> NJHUNTER-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NJHUNTER mailing list, send an email to NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NJHUNTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 94 >> *************************************** >> > > -- > Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity. Life is not > measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our > breath away > > --George Carlin > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How can a person contact Jon Holcombe regards to the New Jersey Holcombes in the 1700's? Any shared information most greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jerry Forman njhunter-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: George S. Holcombe, Lambertville (Jack Fallin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:36:35 -0700 > From: Jack Fallin<jakff@astound.net> > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville > To: njhunter@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<B7BDFD98-7FAE-4B47-AE57-771DCBAC5290@astound.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dear Mary Jo and Marcy, > > On behalf of the Hunterdon Holcombes I would like to thank you both for locating and explaining this helpful information. I'm a somewhat narrow focus "direct line" researcher, so I have very little information outside that line. The result is that my only "George" was in the 1700s. However, I think Jon Holcombe (who keeps a whole family file) monitors this list and will be able to incorporate this information. This list is unique in the extent to which those living in and visiting the area share information with all the rest of us. It's deeply appreciated. > > Reading this back, "direct line" may make me look a bit lazier than I really am. I run 8 lines in depth (both mine and my wife's grandparents) and run every wife in each line's family back as far as possible. I'm not sure how many others follow a similar path, but it's kept me busy! > > Jack Fallin > Walnut Creek, CA > > > On May 20, 2012, at 3:34 AM, Marfy Goodspeed wrote: > >> Dear Mary Jo, >> >> James J. Fisher was the Hon. James Johnson Fisher (1784-1870), freeholder >> for Delaware twp. when it was created in 1838, who died childless. Martha >> Fisher was, according to my software, a second cousin once removed from J. >> J. Fisher. Why she and her husband would be living with him in 1860, I >> cannot say. >> >> The parents of Charles Johnson are still a mystery. A clue lies in the 1880 >> census for West Amwell, where Charles 48 and Martha R. 46 are living with >> sons Fisher C. 23 and George 14, and grandson Holcombe Johnson 3, along >> with *uncle* Peter Phillips 65. On the same page are Elnathan Phillips 62 >> and Israel Phillips 38. I don't know enough about the Phillips family to >> make the connection. >> >> Marfy >> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >> * >> >> >> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Mary Jo C. Martin< >> mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Sarah F. Holcombe's mother, Martha R. Fisher Johnson, is buried in Amwell >>> Ridge Cemetery, Ringoes, according to Find A Grave. There's no indication >>> of who her spouse might have been. >>> >>> In the 1860 US census for Delaware, Hunterdon, New Jersey, I found the >>> following household: >>> >>> Name Age >>> James J Fisher 75 (farmer) >>> Chas Johnson 28 (farmer) >>> Martha Johnson 26 >>> Sarah Johnson 4 >>> Fisher Johnson 3 >>> John Walker 16 (laborer) >>> James W Naylor 13 >>> Emma P Chedister 18 (servant) >>> >>> All were born in NJ. There are other Fishers either side of them. >>> >>> There is a Charles Johnson buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery, but without >>> further research I cannot be sure that this is Martha's husband and Sarah's >>> father. >>> >>> James J. Fisher was buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery. Fisher Johnson was >>> buried at Mount Hope, Lambertville. >>> >>> Richard L. Godown of Caledonia, New York, in his website Godown Family >>> History, http://thegodowns.com/d8/i0014997.htm , names George S. >>> Holcombe's >>> parents as Andrew W. Holcombe and Sarah Sheppard. Andrew was buried at >>> Second English Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Amwell. Sarah's burial place >>> is unknown. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mary Jo C. Martin >>> Melbourne, Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Marfy Goodspeed >>> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 1:56 AM >>> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >>> >>> Bingo, Mary Jo, >>> That Sarah F. has to be the wife of George S. And the other two must be >>> their children. Or a son and his wife. The censuses should established >>> that. (Too busy to look them up.) >>> Marfy >>> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >>> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >>> * >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Mary Jo C. Martin< >>> mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> Me, me, me! Don't lose me, MrBill! >>>> >>>> mjcmartin (at) optusnet (dot) com (dot) au >>>> >>>> The only reason I listed George S. Holcombe in Holcombe-Riverview >>> Cemetery >>>> on Find A Grave was that I'd taken a photo of his memorial. One of my >>>> great-aunts (Catherine Reid Holcombe, Lambertville town nurse) was >>> married >>>> to a Holcombe, so I walked the cemetery photographing all Holcombes in >>>> order >>>> to help myself piece her husband's immediate family together. >>>> >>>> I don't have any other information on George S. Holcombe. >>>> >>>> I can tell you who he's buried with (in the same plot), but I don't know >>>> the >>>> relationships of these people to each other so I couldn't link them via >>>> Find >>>> A Grave: >>>> Edna F Holcombe 1881-1926 >>>> Marvin J Holcombe 1879-1949 >>>> Sarah F Holcombe 1855-1925 >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mary Jo >>>> >>>> Mary Jo C. Martin >>>> 9 Heysen Grove >>>> Doncaster East VIC 3109 >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Mr. Bill Hartman >>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012 10:19 PM >>>> To: NJHUNTER >>>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >>>> >>>> The Hunterdon Republican gives a very short obit for "George S. >>> Holcombe," >>>> b. 1852; d. 10 May 1896. >>>> >>>> He was listed in the "Findagrave.com" by Mary Jo C. Martin, whose email I >>>> must have lost during my computer's crash a year or so ago! >>>> >>>> I was unable to positively identify him in any Census Record, but he was >>>> listed as having been married, in the NJ Death Index. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have the name of his wife and/or children, so I can add it to >>>> the abstracts of the Hunterdon Republican newspaper? He was also noted to >>>> have been a "Merch'T" - Merchant? in the New Jersey Death Index; any >>>> information on what kind of merchant? >>>> >>>> Thank you for checking, >>>> MrBill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ >>>> >>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NJHUNTER list administrator, send an email to > NJHUNTER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NJHUNTER mailing list, send an email to NJHUNTER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NJHUNTER Digest, Vol 7, Issue 94 > *************************************** > -- Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity. 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Dear Mary Jo and Marcy, On behalf of the Hunterdon Holcombes I would like to thank you both for locating and explaining this helpful information. I'm a somewhat narrow focus "direct line" researcher, so I have very little information outside that line. The result is that my only "George" was in the 1700s. However, I think Jon Holcombe (who keeps a whole family file) monitors this list and will be able to incorporate this information. This list is unique in the extent to which those living in and visiting the area share information with all the rest of us. It's deeply appreciated. Reading this back, "direct line" may make me look a bit lazier than I really am. I run 8 lines in depth (both mine and my wife's grandparents) and run every wife in each line's family back as far as possible. I'm not sure how many others follow a similar path, but it's kept me busy! Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA On May 20, 2012, at 3:34 AM, Marfy Goodspeed wrote: > Dear Mary Jo, > > James J. Fisher was the Hon. James Johnson Fisher (1784-1870), freeholder > for Delaware twp. when it was created in 1838, who died childless. Martha > Fisher was, according to my software, a second cousin once removed from J. > J. Fisher. Why she and her husband would be living with him in 1860, I > cannot say. > > The parents of Charles Johnson are still a mystery. A clue lies in the 1880 > census for West Amwell, where Charles 48 and Martha R. 46 are living with > sons Fisher C. 23 and George 14, and grandson Holcombe Johnson 3, along > with *uncle* Peter Phillips 65. On the same page are Elnathan Phillips 62 > and Israel Phillips 38. I don't know enough about the Phillips family to > make the connection. > > Marfy > *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** > Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ > * > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Mary Jo C. Martin < > mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> Sarah F. Holcombe's mother, Martha R. Fisher Johnson, is buried in Amwell >> Ridge Cemetery, Ringoes, according to Find A Grave. There's no indication >> of who her spouse might have been. >> >> In the 1860 US census for Delaware, Hunterdon, New Jersey, I found the >> following household: >> >> Name Age >> James J Fisher 75 (farmer) >> Chas Johnson 28 (farmer) >> Martha Johnson 26 >> Sarah Johnson 4 >> Fisher Johnson 3 >> John Walker 16 (laborer) >> James W Naylor 13 >> Emma P Chedister 18 (servant) >> >> All were born in NJ. There are other Fishers either side of them. >> >> There is a Charles Johnson buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery, but without >> further research I cannot be sure that this is Martha's husband and Sarah's >> father. >> >> James J. Fisher was buried at Amwell Ridge Cemetery. Fisher Johnson was >> buried at Mount Hope, Lambertville. >> >> Richard L. Godown of Caledonia, New York, in his website Godown Family >> History, http://thegodowns.com/d8/i0014997.htm , names George S. >> Holcombe's >> parents as Andrew W. Holcombe and Sarah Sheppard. Andrew was buried at >> Second English Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Amwell. Sarah's burial place >> is unknown. >> >> Regards, >> Mary Jo C. Martin >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Marfy Goodspeed >> Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 1:56 AM >> To: njhunter@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >> >> Bingo, Mary Jo, >> That Sarah F. has to be the wife of George S. And the other two must be >> their children. Or a son and his wife. The censuses should established >> that. (Too busy to look them up.) >> Marfy >> *Marfy Goodspeed **marfyg@gmail.com** >> Goodspeed Histories http://goodspeedhistories.com/ >> * >> >> >> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Mary Jo C. Martin < >> mjcmartin@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Me, me, me! Don't lose me, MrBill! >>> >>> mjcmartin (at) optusnet (dot) com (dot) au >>> >>> The only reason I listed George S. Holcombe in Holcombe-Riverview >> Cemetery >>> on Find A Grave was that I'd taken a photo of his memorial. One of my >>> great-aunts (Catherine Reid Holcombe, Lambertville town nurse) was >> married >>> to a Holcombe, so I walked the cemetery photographing all Holcombes in >>> order >>> to help myself piece her husband's immediate family together. >>> >>> I don't have any other information on George S. Holcombe. >>> >>> I can tell you who he's buried with (in the same plot), but I don't know >>> the >>> relationships of these people to each other so I couldn't link them via >>> Find >>> A Grave: >>> Edna F Holcombe 1881-1926 >>> Marvin J Holcombe 1879-1949 >>> Sarah F Holcombe 1855-1925 >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mary Jo >>> >>> Mary Jo C. Martin >>> 9 Heysen Grove >>> Doncaster East VIC 3109 >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> njhunter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Mr. Bill Hartman >>> Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012 10:19 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] George S. Holcombe, Lambertville >>> >>> The Hunterdon Republican gives a very short obit for "George S. >> Holcombe," >>> b. 1852; d. 10 May 1896. >>> >>> He was listed in the "Findagrave.com" by Mary Jo C. Martin, whose email I >>> must have lost during my computer's crash a year or so ago! >>> >>> I was unable to positively identify him in any Census Record, but he was >>> listed as having been married, in the NJ Death Index. >>> >>> Does anyone have the name of his wife and/or children, so I can add it to >>> the abstracts of the Hunterdon Republican newspaper? He was also noted to >>> have been a "Merch'T" - Merchant? in the New Jersey Death Index; any >>> information on what kind of merchant? >>> >>> Thank you for checking, >>> MrBill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hunterdon Republican newspaper, visit: >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njhrna/ >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUNTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message