Hi Leslie, Your Dalley work has been cataloged and is on the shelf in alphabetical order by surname. I saw it about 8:55pm last Thursday (10/14) which was too late to look through. I want to search it carefully to match up the Dalley info I have to what is missing. Specifically the information on John E. Dalley, b. 26 Oct 1811 who married Rebecca Dilley (1818-1870). It is wonderful that you compiled the information you did for others to use. I have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, and other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were compiled by a member of the family. Deats' notebooks are a good start for information but only that! The HCHS is in great need of northern Hunterdon Co material. Most of Hiram E Deats' collection concentrated on southern Hunterdon up to Franklin Twp where the Deats family settled. I, too, have found a dearth of material on Readington and Tewksbury Townships. By working my way through the Whitehouse Weekly Review and High Bridge Gazette, I have found much on the families of northern Hunterdon. For example, many families had annual picnics, usually in August. A notice would appear in a newspaper, and accompanying it would be a long history of the first settler by that surname. I have run across much information on the Dalley family in the Clinton Democrat and Whitehouse Review because of the proximity of Readington Dalleys. And it seems like every third tombstone at Readington Cemetery belongs to a Dalley. Please don't give up your membership. The rest of us poor researchers are relying on the collective good natures of people like yourself who have made wonderful contributions to Hunterdon family history. Believe me when I say you are appreciated! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Bouvier" <all4lrb@cox.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > I was at the HCHS in August. I went specifically to present my research on > my line of the DALLEY family for which there is only a little information, > only 1 piece of which the Society had when I last researched there. My > contribution was, to say the least, ungraciously accepted, although it > included the sources used and was neatly presented in a binder. > > The email from Teresa confirms that my experience was not an isolated one; > there is a very unfriendly air about the place lately-a huge contrast to my > previous visits. No one seemed to be happy. I felt unwelcome, almost > resented. I'm considering not renewing my membership because of the way I > was treated. > > Leslie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rita Chesterton" <rchesterton@erols.com> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > >I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the > > timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers > > for > > those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. > > Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply hand > > you > > stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick things > > off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the > > back > > of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. > > > > -R > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <teresaz06@aol.com> > > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > > > >> i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i > > thought > >> they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up > > the > >> person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, > > but > >> only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly > > feel > >> welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who > > is used > >> to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that > >> might > >> help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell > > family > >> and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery > > card > >> files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most > >> helpful. sincerely, teresa. > >> > >> > >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > > This mail list is archived at: > > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Teresa, Thank you for your note of appreciation for the Hunterdon Gazette. It makes this project worthwhile and spurs me and my 2 assistants on to complete it ASAP. The next CD for the years 1845-1856 will be available very soon as we are now nearly finished with the last Year 1856! Watch the Web Site for the announcement. Regards, Bill P.S. Put the word "Relict" in the Find function and you will find this word used many times in the Hunterdon Gazette! ----- Original Message ----- From: teresaz06@aol.com To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:41 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] an interesting note when looking at the inscription for Thankful Penwell, (she is buired at the bethlehem presbyterian churchyard grandin with Christopher) her headstone read" Relict" of Christopher Srope, i was touched by the use of the term which means, something cherished that is left behind", also general term used for "widow". It is a term i haven't seen used before in my research, and even 100 or more years later it touched my heart. I would also like to say a big thank you for the Hunterdon Gazette, boy is that a wealth of information...I found one of Thankful's and Christophers children , son Samuel and his family left hunterdon for Ohio, He became the elected Mayor of Hillsboro Ohio, so that solves the mystery of what became of samuel Penwell Shrope. ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

when looking at the inscription for Thankful Penwell, (she is buired at the bethlehem presbyterian churchyard grandin with Christopher) her headstone read" Relict" of Christopher Srope, i was touched by the use of the term which means, something cherished that is left behind", also general term used for "widow". It is a term i haven't seen used before in my research, and even 100 or more years later it touched my heart. I would also like to say a big thank you for the Hunterdon Gazette, boy is that a wealth of information...I found one of Thankful's and Christophers children , son Samuel and his family left hunterdon for Ohio, He became the elected Mayor of Hillsboro Ohio, so that solves the mystery of what became of samuel Penwell Shrope.

Thanks Kathleen, i will check it out , and it is so true about modes and ways of travel , what's interesting to note that in all the places i have done research in , Hunterdon area is most captivating, even if you look at the records kept , look beyond the actual record for example, look at the way they named your children, there is a pattern, who is buried with who and a pattern emerges, there was a definite way of life , tradition, religion , they may not have left the vital records like we would like them to have had to, but they left so much more for us to appreciate. Thank you so much again, sincerely, teresa.

I just wanted to add that in the 1920's and 1930's my grandmother, Bertha Stull Foster, use to take my mother, Margaret Foster Bowdren, from Stockton to Frenchtown by train. I thought it was because maybe she didn't drive, but now I see it could also have been the road conditions. Thanks for the info, Kathy. Chris Bowdren Lopez Kathie wrote: "The people who lived south of > Stockton seldomly went up the river, and in fact, the highway between > Stockton and Frenchtown was not completed until the 1950's.

What a very gentle, and genuine explanation for what happened at your library. You are to be commended for your thoughtfulness. Eleanor > Teresa, > First, since I was today's library volunteer, please allow me to apologize > if you felt uncomfortable or unwelcome. As you know, the space is small and > we had 12 visitors in those two hours. Several of them were people who were > not experienced researchers who were looking up their old house. They often > need more help than most people who are doing genealogy. One of the other > visitors was a professional researcher who needed access to the manuscript > collection, which necessitated several trips up and downstairs to hand in > requests to the archivist. So there was a little bit of bedlam this > afternoon. And I gave you the wrong directions twice to the Prospect Hill > Cemetery (blush). Again, I am sorry. > > As far as having heard that there were cemetery records there, what we have > is what you used, the card index of tombstone inscriptions that have been > compiled over a 90-year (more or less) period by avid tombstone hunters, > some of whom are on this list. The card index was created for the > convenience of people who just haven't the time to drive to and stroll > through every small cemetery and burial ground in the county. It is by no > means complete, it is only as good as the researcher who compiled it. > Therefore, unless you've seen the stone yourself, should be considered as a > hint, a piece of the evidence. Naturally, if there was no tombstone, there > is no record in that file. > > If by cemetery records you thought there were interment records, I have > never seen such records in our collection. If we have a lawyer on this list, > perhaps you can correct me but I believe that in New Jersey, cemeteries must > be incorporated and the record of interments is part of the legal records of > the corporation. A large cemetery like Prospect Hill has officers who can > consult records for you. I'm not sure how it works, as I have never had to > do it. Church burial grounds make their records a part of the records of the > church, and as with marriages and baptisms, some churches have them, some do > not. Family and neighborhood burial grounds have no records except notations > in family bibles. > > Another note, the Hunterdon County Historical Society is a private > organization, not a part of county government. All legal records for the > county are found in the County archives and the County Clerks office. The > beginning of its library was the private book and manuscript collection of > Hiram Deats. Among other things, Mr. Deats was an accomplished genealogists > in the first half of the twentieth century. He lived in Flemington and was > primarily interested in Flemington, Kingwood, Amwell and Delaware families. > His collection is not even, it is especially lacking in areas north of > Flemington. Like all personal collections, it often reflects his personal > interests and prejudices. The library has outgrown its space several times > and the trustees are currently looking to expand their space again. > > Again, let me apologize if you were not made to feel welcome. As volunteers, > we all try to help visitors find what they are looking for. And > unfortunately, we aren't always successful. > > Kathleen Schreiner > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Teresa, I understand the frustration, I think anyone searching in Hunterdon County has hit the same walls. New Jersey records are so patchwork and I sometimes think that Hunterdon was a libertarian stronghold for many years. They simply didn't understand why registering births and deaths was any business of the government. And of course, land records were even worse, since many people were here renting land from absentee landlords. If you owned the land you might not want to make yourself known to the tax man. I also found in my own research that people saw geography differently in those days before paved roads. The river was a much less formidable barrier to commerce than long muddy roads. I've found that people who lived in northwestern Hunterdon and along the Delaware would often trade with Pennsylvania rather than climb Jugtown Mountain to go to Clinton or even down to the county seat in Flemington. The people who lived south of Stockton seldomly went up the river, and in fact, the highway between Stockton and Frenchtown was not completed until the 1950's. That said, I understand the Easton, Pennsylvania library has an excellent genealogy collection that includes information about northern Hunterdon and Warren counties. The link is www.eastonpl.org. Good luck, Kathleen

Dear Kathleen: Please don't misunderstand, and I apolgize for being a little selfish and a little spoiled perhaps, i just had my hopes up , it's been a little frustrating trying to verify things, you see so many people post something on the internet like at ancestry or family search (latter day saints) that aren't proven or verified or don't even have a source and other people just attatch it to their family history. I have spent many years doing genealogical research in Camden and Philadelphia, Ireland and Nova Scotia and i have learned that not every library or historical society is the same, it takes some getting used to when your "new " to one. I do thank you for e mailing me and explaining how your society works and i should have called first , ( i usually do) I will look forward to coming back because i did hear you have a wonderful collection . Thank you again, Sincerely, Teresa.

You can find an index of the Hunterdon Gazette at the Hunterdon County Website: www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter You can look to see if your ancestor was mentioned in the Gazette and in which years. AL ----- Original Message ----- From: <teresaz06@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] by the way... > i did buy the hunterdon gazette cd's before i left the historical society, if > you need me to look up something please holler..... thanks, teresa > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

thanks john very much, i will look up for you and e mail back what i find, i see the name alot so i am sure there is something there. thanks again , teresa.

Teresa, Have any info on TEN EYCK's? Please and thank you, John Ten Eyck on the sunrise side of Michigan

Teresa, Have you tried Rutgers, They have their Alexander library and SPECIAL COLLECTIONS. Great place to go and the staff is helpful. They have so much, it may take a couple days..LOL..I had fun also while there.. and found a lot. I would try to make a friend in Hunterdon Co. who is doing your family line and recip. a lot of info...I did and had a personal guide for TWO days and could not have done it alone...THANK YOU AGAIN Hank Smith!!!! My Cost? Lunches and dinners were worth every penny. the best of good luck, John Ten Eyck

Teresa, First, since I was today's library volunteer, please allow me to apologize if you felt uncomfortable or unwelcome. As you know, the space is small and we had 12 visitors in those two hours. Several of them were people who were not experienced researchers who were looking up their old house. They often need more help than most people who are doing genealogy. One of the other visitors was a professional researcher who needed access to the manuscript collection, which necessitated several trips up and downstairs to hand in requests to the archivist. So there was a little bit of bedlam this afternoon. And I gave you the wrong directions twice to the Prospect Hill Cemetery (blush). Again, I am sorry. As far as having heard that there were cemetery records there, what we have is what you used, the card index of tombstone inscriptions that have been compiled over a 90-year (more or less) period by avid tombstone hunters, some of whom are on this list. The card index was created for the convenience of people who just haven't the time to drive to and stroll through every small cemetery and burial ground in the county. It is by no means complete, it is only as good as the researcher who compiled it. Therefore, unless you've seen the stone yourself, should be considered as a hint, a piece of the evidence. Naturally, if there was no tombstone, there is no record in that file. If by cemetery records you thought there were interment records, I have never seen such records in our collection. If we have a lawyer on this list, perhaps you can correct me but I believe that in New Jersey, cemeteries must be incorporated and the record of interments is part of the legal records of the corporation. A large cemetery like Prospect Hill has officers who can consult records for you. I'm not sure how it works, as I have never had to do it. Church burial grounds make their records a part of the records of the church, and as with marriages and baptisms, some churches have them, some do not. Family and neighborhood burial grounds have no records except notations in family bibles. Another note, the Hunterdon County Historical Society is a private organization, not a part of county government. All legal records for the county are found in the County archives and the County Clerks office. The beginning of its library was the private book and manuscript collection of Hiram Deats. Among other things, Mr. Deats was an accomplished genealogists in the first half of the twentieth century. He lived in Flemington and was primarily interested in Flemington, Kingwood, Amwell and Delaware families. His collection is not even, it is especially lacking in areas north of Flemington. Like all personal collections, it often reflects his personal interests and prejudices. The library has outgrown its space several times and the trustees are currently looking to expand their space again. Again, let me apologize if you were not made to feel welcome. As volunteers, we all try to help visitors find what they are looking for. And unfortunately, we aren't always successful. Kathleen Schreiner

i did buy the hunterdon gazette cd's before i left the historical society, if you need me to look up something please holler..... thanks, teresa

thanks everyone for your suggestions, you are all very helpful . thanks, teresa.

R, I can't thank you enough for sending me all this, i have seen it and have gotten most of my leads from these sources, i still need to verify alot of things and i guess that's why i am digging deeper, thank you so very much, you organized so perfect i printed all them out and put in my notebook, teresa.

I was at the HCHS in August. I went specifically to present my research on my line of the DALLEY family for which there is only a little information, only 1 piece of which the Society had when I last researched there. My contribution was, to say the least, ungraciously accepted, although it included the sources used and was neatly presented in a binder. The email from Teresa confirms that my experience was not an isolated one; there is a very unfriendly air about the place lately-a huge contrast to my previous visits. No one seemed to be happy. I felt unwelcome, almost resented. I'm considering not renewing my membership because of the way I was treated. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Chesterton" <rchesterton@erols.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society >I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the > timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers > for > those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. > Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply hand > you > stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick things > off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the > back > of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. > > -R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <teresaz06@aol.com> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > >> i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i > thought >> they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up > the >> person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, > but >> only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly > feel >> welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who > is used >> to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that >> might >> help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell > family >> and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery > card >> files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most >> helpful. sincerely, teresa. >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers for those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply hand you stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick things off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the back of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. -R ----- Original Message ----- From: <teresaz06@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i thought > they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up the > person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, but > only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly feel > welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who is used > to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that might > help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell family > and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery card > files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most > helpful. sincerely, teresa. > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i thought they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up the person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, but only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly feel welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who is used to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that might help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell family and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery card files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most helpful. sincerely, teresa.

what is the topic and what years??