Since i find some penwell in the census but only what was taken from tax lists in 1793, my question is has anyone ever looked at the actual tax lists and if so would they tell me anything ? Also where would i find them? any advice most appreciated. T

> My g.g.g.g.g grandmother was Margaret Apgar (m. Phillip Crater), her > father was Peter Apgar, his father was Herbert Apgar, his father was > John Adam Apgar. According to my aunt's research, John Adam Apgar > signed the Oath of Allegiance on September 1749. His grandson (Peter) > also served in the ARW for seven years and his sword and canteen are in > the vaults of the Taylor Iron Works at High Bridge, NJ. I have the following. I hope it helps in some way. If you see any errors or can add anything to what I have please let me know. 5.273 Mary Ellen Lindaberry Father - 9.93 William Lindaberry Mother - Barbara Ann Wack Mary was born on March 23, 1835 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey and died on April 13, 1904 in Hunterdon County. She married Leonard F. Apgar on March 1, 1855. Leonard was born on October 9, 1831 in Cokesbury, Hunterdon County and died on July 26, 1892 in Hunterdon County. He is the son of Herbert Apgar (born in 1786) and Elizabeth Anderson (born in 1787). Herbert is the son of Peter Apgar (1759 - 1846) and either Mary A. Alpock or Christiana Anderson. Peter is the son of Herbert Apgar (died about 1800). Herbert is the son of Johan Adam Ebert. Children: i. Edgar, born 1855. ii. William, born 1856. iii. James, born 1859. iv. Marilda, born in June of 1860 ? v. Elizabeth, born in September of 1860 ? vi. Mary, born 1866. vii. Lydia, born 1866. viii. Ogden R., born December of 1872. ix. Chester, born in June of 1875. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net

Hi. I have an Apgar family tree. Please let me know if any of these names are familiar to you. Unfortunately, I do not have dates or any additional information. I was fortunate enough to receive some genealogy research that my great aunt did for a DAR submission. Here's what I have on the Apgar side. My g.g.g.g.g grandmother was Margaret Apgar (m. Phillip Crater), her father was Peter Apgar, his father was Herbert Apgar, his father was John Adam Apgar. According to my aunt's research, John Adam Apgar signed the Oath of Allegiance on September 1749. His grandson (Peter) also served in the ARW for seven years and his sword and canteen are in the vaults of the Taylor Iron Works at High Bridge, NJ. If any of this sounds familiar, I'd love to chat with you. kim_eckhardt@yahoo.com. Kim Eckhardt --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!

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pamelynb@enter.net writes: Elizabeth Philhower Haycock died January 16, 1967 Thanks, I was not aware of that. I'll let you know what Swick information was in the HCHS library. My impression is that it was not helpful. You may be right, but I hate to let anything pass me by without checking it out. When I was there about 4 years ago, they were not too helpful and awe did not find much. It is so difficult to go through hundreds of pages which are not indexed hoping to spot a name. You are right!! My daughter Sandy from Utah and I were in New Jersey last month, but only had a few days in Hunterdon Co. Just wanted to focus on the Surrogates office and the Hall of Records in Flemington. There wasn't much, we did both in one day. Found some 1900 Swicks that I don't know where, or whom they belong and they owe money to 2 sanitariums. Not sure I want to know them. LOL Visited some of the Municipal Buildings in different areas, but they also had nothing. Can't believe they don't have old record books from the 1700 and 1800's. Stopped; at Spruce Run Church, but no one was there that could help us. We were told their records are at the Museum down the road. We stopped there, but hey were closed that day and all week because of painting. I'm trying to get a copy of the church records, birth, bpt. death & marriages. Stayed with one of my daughters in Trenton and went one day to the Archives, didn't find much there either. Once I was looking for Almira D. Philhower (1845-1909) who married Frederick H. Eick, and it took me several weeks to locate her as the daughter of Richard Philhower and Elizabeth Beavers. Speaking of Beavers, Clarence Swick and wife Minni Sutton, had a d aughter, Ann who married Cecil Beavers 1931. Cecil is buried in the New Germantown Cemetery on Joliet St., Oldwick. Cecil & Ann had a daughter Shirley, married James Reed, they still live in Oldwick on Williams Street. She could be a lot of help, but is not. Last I knew her mother Ann, was still in a Nursing Home, maybe Clinton, not sure. Have birth, death, marriage on Cecil Beavers, but don't know who his parents were. Have not checked the archives for that family yet. Appreciate all your help, Gloria

Hi Gloria, Elizabeth Philhower Haycock died January 16, 1967 but her genealogical work on the Philhower family was continued by others. She is also a descendant of Jane Maria Bush and Aaron Philhower. I'll let you know what Swick information was in the HCHS library. My impression is that it was not helpful. You probably have everything that you need that was put in the Philhower pages. It is so difficult to go through hundreds of pages which are not indexed hoping to spot a name. Once I was looking for Almira D. Philhower (1845-1909) who married Frederick H. Eick, and it took me several weeks to locate her as the daughter of Richard Philhower and Elizabeth Beavers. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aaanard@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Philhower, Apgar, Swick

John Y. Dalley is in my line of Dalleys, but I haven't checked further on Sarah. Coincidently, John L. and Mary E. had a daughter they named Sarah Elizabeth within months of my John N. and Mary E. also having a daughter they named Sarah Elizabeth. For over a year, I was using the birth date of the wrong Sarah. John Y. Dalley (1801-1881) was married to Elizabeth Hall (1807-1846), but my sources haven't been verified yet. I have the same children fro John L. and Mary E. that you list. Is there any information I might have that might help you? Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "fish fisher" <fishgenes@sbcglobal.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Dalley > My 3gg mother Sarah HALL married George MILLER. I found a Sarah Miller > listed in the 1880 Branchburg, Somerset, NJ Census as the Mother-in-Law > living with John Y DALLEY, his son John L DALLEY, Mary E DALLEY > daughter-in-law and grandchildren Georgianna, Sarah E, Jno H and Theo. Is > anyone familiar with this family? Could Mary E be the daughter of my > MILLER's? The only child of George and Sarah HALL MILLER that I know is my > gg grandfather Cornelius MILLER. > > Rich Fisher > > "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> wrote: > Hi Leslie, > Your Dalley work has been cataloged and is on the shelf in alphabetical > order by surname. I saw it about 8:55pm last Thursday (10/14) which was > too > late to look through. I want to search it carefully to match up the Dalley > info I have to what is missing. Specifically the information on John E. > Dalley, b. 26 Oct 1811 who married Rebecca Dilley (1818-1870). It is > wonderful that you compiled the information you did for others to use. I > have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, and > other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were > compiled by a member of the family. Deats' notebooks are a good start for > information but only that! > The HCHS is in great need of northern Hunterdon Co material. Most of > Hiram E Deats' collection concentrated on southern Hunterdon up to > Franklin > Twp where the Deats family settled. I, too, have found a dearth of > material > on Readington and Tewksbury Townships. By working my way through the > Whitehouse Weekly Review and High Bridge Gazette, I have found much on the > families of northern Hunterdon. For example, many families had annual > picnics, usually in August. A notice would appear in a newspaper, and > accompanying it would be a long history of the first settler by that > surname. I have run across much information on the Dalley family in the > Clinton Democrat and Whitehouse Review because of the proximity of > Readington Dalleys. And it seems like every third tombstone at Readington > Cemetery belongs to a Dalley. > Please don't give up your membership. The rest of us poor researchers > are relying on the collective good natures of people like yourself who > have > made wonderful contributions to Hunterdon family history. Believe me when > I > say you are appreciated! > Pam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie Bouvier" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > >> I was at the HCHS in August. I went specifically to present my research > on >> my line of the DALLEY family for which there is only a little >> information, >> only 1 piece of which the Society had when I last researched there. My >> contribution was, to say the least, ungraciously accepted, although it >> included the sources used and was neatly presented in a binder. >> >> The email from Teresa confirms that my experience was not an isolated >> one; >> there is a very unfriendly air about the place lately-a huge contrast to > my >> previous visits. No one seemed to be happy. I felt unwelcome, almost >> resented. I'm considering not renewing my membership because of the way I >> was treated. >> >> Leslie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rita Chesterton" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society >> >> >> >I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the >> > timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers >> > for >> > those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. >> > Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply >> > hand >> > you >> > stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick > things >> > off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the >> > back >> > of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. >> > >> > -R >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM >> > Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society >> > >> > >> >> i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i >> > thought >> >> they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look >> >> up >> > the >> >> person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are > buried, >> > but >> >> only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly >> > feel >> >> welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone > who >> > is used >> >> to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that >> >> might >> >> help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the > Penwell >> > family >> >> and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery >> > card >> >> files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be > most >> >> helpful. sincerely, teresa. >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I am so disappointed to see this last round regarding the Hunterdon County Historical Society. A few years ago there was very much the same conversation on a different mailing list. It really got heated. I was hoping since then that the situation had improved. I live 20 minutes away and have only been there one time, my experience was very much the same as mentioned. It was stressful, uninviting and not a pleasant experience. --- Leslie Bouvier <all4lrb@cox.net> wrote: > I was at the HCHS in August. I went specifically to present my research on > my line of the DALLEY family for which there is only a little information, > only 1 piece of which the Society had when I last researched there. My > contribution was, to say the least, ungraciously accepted, although it > included the sources used and was neatly presented in a binder. > > The email from Teresa confirms that my experience was not an isolated one; > there is a very unfriendly air about the place lately-a huge contrast to my > previous visits. No one seemed to be happy. I felt unwelcome, almost > resented. I'm considering not renewing my membership because of the way I > was treated. > > Leslie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rita Chesterton" <rchesterton@erols.com> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > >I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the > > timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers > > for > > those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. > > Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply hand > > you > > stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick things > > off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the > > back > > of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. > > > > -R > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <teresaz06@aol.com> > > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > > > >> i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i > > thought > >> they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up > > the > >> person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, > > but > >> only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly > > feel > >> welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who > > is used > >> to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that > >> might > >> help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell > > family > >> and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery > > card > >> files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most > >> helpful. sincerely, teresa. > >> > >> > >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > > This mail list is archived at: > > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ===== Nancy Bucks County History and Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buckscounty/ _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Hi Pam: I have a Swick person I'm looking for. I know where she is bur but want to know her parents. Did you know that an Elizabeth Swick and her husband Abraham Bunn (son of Jacob/Elizabeth Bunn) had a child Jacob Austin Bunn b 1846. I have his pension papers. He was raised by Andrew Philhower. I believe Austin had a brother Philip A. Bunn b 1848 (I have a picture of the two of them in an album) so I am assuming they are brothers. In 1850 he was being taken care of by Elizabeth Beam in Washington Twp. I have not been able to find that Elizabeth Beam. I just found Philip A. in the Civil War (do not have papers yet) but he has an alias of Peter A. Banker. I'm assuming that the Bankers adopted him and then he changed his name back to Bunn. I cannot find the Bankers anywhere. So who was this Elizabeth Beam. It's not Elizabeth Swick Bunn even tho her husband d right after the birth of Philip. Elizabeth Swick Bunn d and is bur, in Mechlenburg, NY with Austin. I know the Bunns and Beams get very confused. There is a Rachel Bunn who m. John Swick, but forget that, it is not Rachel BUNN but Rachel BEAM. I checked the original marriage cert. The mistake is in Early Germans and the Morris Co website has a list of Bunn marriages. She was not a Bunn. Any help on Swicks, Philhower who raised Austin and Elizabeth Beam who took care of Philip, would be appreciated. Maybe I'll get lucky and somebody will know the Bankers. Alice Gershman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Philhower, Apgar, Swick > Hi Gloria, > The Philhower notebook was compiled by the Philhower Family Association > and contains the descendants of the original Philhowers who settled in > Tewksbury twp. My interest is a son of John Philhower (1765-1820) and wife > Rachel Sutton (1763-1814), Aaron Philhower (1806-1887) who married Jane > Maria Bush (1809-1899) and produced 9 children. Bob Philhower, who is a > member of this list, can probably provide more information about the > Philhowers and these notebooks, but my interest is in Jane Bush Philhower, > the daughter of Rachel Bowman and Abraham Bush. There are 400 descendants > of > Aaron and Jane Maria Bush Philhower plus much information on spouses of > these Philhowers. The descendants of the other children of John and Rachel > are also provided in the Philhower notebooks. Copies of the notebooks were > donated to other major NJ libraries like the NJ State Library in Trenton. > The Apgar Fam. Assn has published at least 4 books, and plans to put > out more. I think the last one is still available for purchase: Johannes > Peter Apgard and His Descendants: Jacob & William, Vol. II, Part III. It > has helped me with info about the Apgars who married into the Bush family. > And also those who married into my father's family. > It is fun to take the information found in these sources, and then > prove > it by documenting all the births, marriages and deaths through vital > records, Bible records, church records and published obituaries and death > notices. > There is a Swick notebook also, but since Robert Van Doren Swick and > Robert Sutphen Swick did not appear in any pages, I lost interest. I think > you are looking for the ancestors of Jacob Bartel Swick or is it Henry > Swick. > Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Aaanard@aol.com> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > >> In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:47:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >> pamelynb@enter.net writes: >> I have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals > notebook, >> and >> other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were >> compiled by a member of the family. >> >> Dear Pam, >> I am researching the 3 above surnames, along with SWICK. Can you tell > me >> about the notebooks you mentioned and maybe where I might be able to get > them >> or research their contents. >> I have seen the Apgar web page, is this notebook something different? >> Appreciate any help you can share. Gloria in Arizona >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I've also come to the same conclusion about some of my own family who lived in New Jersey. I have a group in Hunterdon county as well as in Warren and Sussex. I also suspect that one family resided in Morris County, but his probate and deeds are all recorded in Sussex county. I'm thinking it was because the courthouse at Newton was a whole lot closer than going to the county seat for Morris. The ones in Hunterdon did reside at Six-Mile Run area and also the area towns surrounding that town. They did manage to get to the courthouse in this county for a lot of their business, but then, as mentioned, some families probably said, I don't want the government to know so avoided it like the plague! However, I'm also thinking that a lot of early records were destroyed during the Revolutionary time because that is the period I'm looking and can't find the vitals I need. Christie Trapp

Hi Pam, I know you have helped me with some Swick information before. I also contacted Bob Philhower more then a year ago. He is the one who gave me the name of a Mary Elizabeth Robertson who lives in New Providence, NJ. I contacted her and she sent me a nice letter and some information. Her Aunt Florence Philhower was the one who started the research on the Philhower family. They both joined the DAR under Philip Philhower the "Overseer of the Roads" in Morris Co. for Gen. Washington. She sent me a copy of her DAR papers, a news article from "The Star Ledger " Sept. 26, 1991, and a copy of the 75th Philhower Reunion Sept. 7, 1991. It includes some history and the names of his 10 children. One being Christopher 1756. He was a Revolutionary Soldier and the grandfather of Charity Apgar, my 2nd Great Grandmother who married Luke Swick at Fox Hill. Mary Robertson sent me a copy of 22 pages of Part II of " Who's Who" in the Philhower Family of Hunterdon County by Elizabeth Philhower Haycock, Oldwick NJ. I wrote Mary and asked if Elizabeth was still in Oldwick and the address, as I would like a copy of Part I. She has never answered me back. Mary Robertson also sent a copy picture of Philip's house. Elizabeth Haycock starts in her part II, with the obituary of Elizabeth, the oldest child who passed away at 95. Now I'm wondering if this is part of that notebook?? I have much on Christopher's family, but nothing on your John or the rest of the children. I joined the DAR under Christopher a year ago July. I also have the genealogy from "The Early Germans of New Jersey, My interest is a son of John Philhower (1765-1820) and wife Rachel Sutton (1763-1814), I see John is the 3rd child. Christopher was the 2nd child who m. Elizabeth Fox. I also have a Horace Philhower, 1861 s/o Jacob Philhower & Emily Hoffman. married 1890, Mary Elizabeth Swick d/o Jacob Hiler Swick & Elizabeth Eick Murphy Jacob Hiler Swick was s/o David Swick & Ann Henry The Apgar Fam. Assn has published at least 4 books, and plans to put out more. I know of the last book. They had one for sale at $40.00. They need to add a lot more info. They are questioning some of the pass genealogy and going to dig more into it. So I will wait for the new one, whenever that will be. I do have the Apgar Family tree from the web page. There is a Swick notebook also, I have never heard about it. Where would I find that ?? You are not talking about the book "The House of Swick?" I think you are looking for the ancestors of Jacob Bartel Swick or is it Henry Swick. Yes, Henry Honeyman and my grandfather, Charles Frances Swick were sons of Jacob B. Swick. David Swick & Ann Henry were the parents of Jacob. I have been digging for 3 or more years now to find David's father. My Brick Wall !! I know the HCHSoc. has the Bible they received from Robert S. Swick. I have a copy of that. Thanks for getting back to me, I appreciate you thinking of me when you come across anything. Gloria

Hi Gloria, The Philhower notebook was compiled by the Philhower Family Association and contains the descendants of the original Philhowers who settled in Tewksbury twp. My interest is a son of John Philhower (1765-1820) and wife Rachel Sutton (1763-1814), Aaron Philhower (1806-1887) who married Jane Maria Bush (1809-1899) and produced 9 children. Bob Philhower, who is a member of this list, can probably provide more information about the Philhowers and these notebooks, but my interest is in Jane Bush Philhower, the daughter of Rachel Bowman and Abraham Bush. There are 400 descendants of Aaron and Jane Maria Bush Philhower plus much information on spouses of these Philhowers. The descendants of the other children of John and Rachel are also provided in the Philhower notebooks. Copies of the notebooks were donated to other major NJ libraries like the NJ State Library in Trenton. The Apgar Fam. Assn has published at least 4 books, and plans to put out more. I think the last one is still available for purchase: Johannes Peter Apgard and His Descendants: Jacob & William, Vol. II, Part III. It has helped me with info about the Apgars who married into the Bush family. And also those who married into my father's family. It is fun to take the information found in these sources, and then prove it by documenting all the births, marriages and deaths through vital records, Bible records, church records and published obituaries and death notices. There is a Swick notebook also, but since Robert Van Doren Swick and Robert Sutphen Swick did not appear in any pages, I lost interest. I think you are looking for the ancestors of Jacob Bartel Swick or is it Henry Swick. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aaanard@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:47:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > pamelynb@enter.net writes: > I have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, > and > other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were > compiled by a member of the family. > > Dear Pam, > I am researching the 3 above surnames, along with SWICK. Can you tell me > about the notebooks you mentioned and maybe where I might be able to get them > or research their contents. > I have seen the Apgar web page, is this notebook something different? > Appreciate any help you can share. Gloria in Arizona > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Breakness@aol.com writes: Gloria, you are looking at APGAR, PHILHOWER and ?? Did you know that at least the two above married in some numbers into my LANTZ - LANCE line? Laurence Lance Seattle Hi Laurence, Yes, I am researching both of the above, a long with Seals & Swick. My 2nd Great Grandmother, Charity Apgar m. Luke Swick, Fox Hill, New Jersey. Her mother was Mary Philhower and her father was Adam (Chawdy) Apgar. Her grandfather was Christopher Philhower the Rev. War Soldier. I joined the DAR under him a year ago. I think somewhere in my records, I have a Swick married to a Lance. This will be a busy next 2 weeks for me, but when I get time I will look and see what I can find. Maybe you already have that marriage ??? Swick's in New Germantown, (OLDWICK) Hunterdon, NJ, are my line. My mother was a Swick. Don't have hardly anything on Lance, but happy to share whatever. Gloria

Gloria, you are looking at APGAR, PHILHOWER and ?? Did you know that at least the two above married in some numbers into my LANTZ - LANCE line? Laurence Lance Seattle

In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:47:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pamelynb@enter.net writes: I have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, and other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were compiled by a member of the family. Dear Pam, I am researching the 3 above surnames, along with SWICK. Can you tell me about the notebooks you mentioned and maybe where I might be able to get them or research their contents. I have seen the Apgar web page, is this notebook something different? Appreciate any help you can share. Gloria in Arizona

Teresa, Thank you for that information. I grew up in Hackettstown and my family has been in that area since the 1600/1700's. A lot of my surnames were in that Hunterdon/Morris/Sussex(now Warren) area. Will have to check out where the Musconetcong Valley Rd is. Now you have me wondering where that old school house museum is. Thanks again, I appreciate the information. Pat

My 3gg mother Sarah HALL married George MILLER. I found a Sarah Miller listed in the 1880 Branchburg, Somerset, NJ Census as the Mother-in-Law living with John Y DALLEY, his son John L DALLEY, Mary E DALLEY daughter-in-law and grandchildren Georgianna, Sarah E, Jno H and Theo. Is anyone familiar with this family? Could Mary E be the daughter of my MILLER's? The only child of George and Sarah HALL MILLER that I know is my gg grandfather Cornelius MILLER. Rich Fisher "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> wrote: Hi Leslie, Your Dalley work has been cataloged and is on the shelf in alphabetical order by surname. I saw it about 8:55pm last Thursday (10/14) which was too late to look through. I want to search it carefully to match up the Dalley info I have to what is missing. Specifically the information on John E. Dalley, b. 26 Oct 1811 who married Rebecca Dilley (1818-1870). It is wonderful that you compiled the information you did for others to use. I have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, and other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were compiled by a member of the family. Deats' notebooks are a good start for information but only that! The HCHS is in great need of northern Hunterdon Co material. Most of Hiram E Deats' collection concentrated on southern Hunterdon up to Franklin Twp where the Deats family settled. I, too, have found a dearth of material on Readington and Tewksbury Townships. By working my way through the Whitehouse Weekly Review and High Bridge Gazette, I have found much on the families of northern Hunterdon. For example, many families had annual picnics, usually in August. A notice would appear in a newspaper, and accompanying it would be a long history of the first settler by that surname. I have run across much information on the Dalley family in the Clinton Democrat and Whitehouse Review because of the proximity of Readington Dalleys. And it seems like every third tombstone at Readington Cemetery belongs to a Dalley. Please don't give up your membership. The rest of us poor researchers are relying on the collective good natures of people like yourself who have made wonderful contributions to Hunterdon family history. Believe me when I say you are appreciated! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Bouvier" To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > I was at the HCHS in August. I went specifically to present my research on > my line of the DALLEY family for which there is only a little information, > only 1 piece of which the Society had when I last researched there. My > contribution was, to say the least, ungraciously accepted, although it > included the sources used and was neatly presented in a binder. > > The email from Teresa confirms that my experience was not an isolated one; > there is a very unfriendly air about the place lately-a huge contrast to my > previous visits. No one seemed to be happy. I felt unwelcome, almost > resented. I'm considering not renewing my membership because of the way I > was treated. > > Leslie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rita Chesterton" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > >I know the HCHS has a lot of newspapers on microfiche. If you know the > > timeframe for the Penwell's and Shrope's, you can cruise the newspapers > > for > > those years. It's a tedious process, but sometimes it pays off. > > Also....you can't expect people at the Historical Society to simply hand > > you > > stuff.....sometimes you have to take the initiative and simply pick things > > off the shelf. For instance, by looking at the indexes located in the > > back > > of most books, fate can often lead you to unexpected findings. > > > > -R > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:56 PM > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > > > > > >> i went to the historical society today and i was a little confused, i > > thought > >> they had cemetery records, i was told when i got there that you look up > > the > >> person's name in the card file and that tells you where they are buried, > > but > >> only if they had a headstone,,,did i miss something? I didn't exactly > > feel > >> welcome so i ended up leaving after 20 minutes or so, is there anyone who > > is used > >> to going there that might tell me what i should ask for , maybe that > >> might > >> help me the next time, I am trying to locate information on the Penwell > > family > >> and the shrope family, i was hoping to find more data besides cemetery > > card > >> files, i fiqure there must be something more.. any advice would be most > >> helpful. sincerely, teresa. > >> > >> > >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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i also thought penwell was part of warren cty and i have lived here along time! There isn't a whole to visit in penwell but there is a nice park and hunting and fishing and trails to hike, there is a museum on Mustconetcong Valley Road #97 not far from Penwell, it's the old school house and it's kind of interesting and the woman who is there is really really very nice, enjoy if you get to visit. sincerely, teresa.

Teresa, I was not aware of the fact that the area was part of the Hunterdon Co Park system. I thought Penwell was in Warren Co., but itmay be on both sides of the river. Interesting! My Anthony family lived in Penwell and I guess next time I visit NJ I need to ride down into Penwell. Thanks for the information. Pat

Dear Pam, Thank you for the encouragement. The work I presented is just part of my research into my family in the northern part of the county. Eventually I hope to submit more to share with researchers like yourself as I find more reliable evidence. I'm also researching the DEMOTT, LANE, and LUNGER families. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamelyn P. Bush" <pamelynb@enter.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] hunterdon historical society > Hi Leslie, > Your Dalley work has been cataloged and is on the shelf in alphabetical > order by surname. I saw it about 8:55pm last Thursday (10/14) which was > too > late to look through. I want to search it carefully to match up the Dalley > info I have to what is missing. Specifically the information on John E. > Dalley, b. 26 Oct 1811 who married Rebecca Dilley (1818-1870). It is > wonderful that you compiled the information you did for others to use. I > have found the Philhower notebooks, the Apgar books, Seals notebook, and > other family compilations to be of great help, especially since they were > compiled by a member of the family. Deats' notebooks are a good start for > information but only that! > The HCHS is in great need of northern Hunterdon Co material. Most of > Hiram E Deats' collection concentrated on southern Hunterdon up to > Franklin > Twp where the Deats family settled. I, too, have found a dearth of > material > on Readington and Tewksbury Townships. By working my way through the > Whitehouse Weekly Review and High Bridge Gazette, I have found much on the > families of northern Hunterdon. For example, many families had annual > picnics, usually in August. A notice would appear in a newspaper, and > accompanying it would be a long history of the first settler by that > surname. I have run across much information on the Dalley family in the > Clinton Democrat and Whitehouse Review because of the proximity of > Readington Dalleys. And it seems like every third tombstone at Readington > Cemetery belongs to a Dalley. > Please don't give up your membership. The rest of us poor researchers > are relying on the collective good natures of people like yourself who > have > made wonderful contributions to Hunterdon family history. Believe me when > I > say you are appreciated! > Pam