Yes, Laurence, we've been in touch before. Can't remember the Vliet person's name, but I'm sure we've covered it. I'm looking for Jacob B. Vliet....actually, I really want to know who his parents were. -Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: <Breakness@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map > > In a message dated 12/2/2004 9:07:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rchesterton@erols.com writes: > > I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the > Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out there.....I'd > like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been > living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, > Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. > > Thanks for any help!! > Rita in Hunterdon > > > Rita, I don't know but THINK i may have mentioned a Vliet in my LANTZ- > LANCE line? > > Laurence Lance > Seattle > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 12/2/2004 9:07:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, rchesterton@erols.com writes: I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out there.....I'd like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. Thanks for any help!! Rita in Hunterdon Rita, I don't know but THINK i may have mentioned a Vliet in my LANTZ- LANCE line? Laurence Lance Seattle

Mary, Around 410-450 AD four hundred years of occupation ended for Britain as the Romans left to defend their holdings in Europe and their homeland. Saxon adventurers seized the opportunity and start invading. Waves of Saxons descended upon Britain, and referred to the . native Cymreig in the far west as waelsa, or foreigners, as has been noted in the previous posting. So, the surname Welsch could also denote a family from Wales. Here's a link to an Encyclopedia Britannia article. http://www.britannia.com/wales/whist2.html Happy searching, Gary Smith, Berkeley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Stewart Kyritsis" <mkyritsi@hol.gr> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Re: Welch, Welsh or Welsch on early maps > Hi Richard, > > Many thanks for that succinct rundown on the origins of this name. I > have an Ashbel Welch who married Margaret Dorrance 15 Oct 1795 in > Windham, CT, whose son Ashbel died in Lambertville in 1882, but I had > never thought to pursue that surname. (Source: 'A Genealogy of the > Descendants of George and Margery Dorrance Together With Notes on Some > Later Dorrance Emigrants to America', compiled by Mrs I.H. Wynne and > John D. Morrell, 1948.) > > Mary > > Mary Kyritsis > Kifissia, Greece > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Richard, Many thanks for that succinct rundown on the origins of this name. I have an Ashbel Welch who married Margaret Dorrance 15 Oct 1795 in Windham, CT, whose son Ashbel died in Lambertville in 1882, but I had never thought to pursue that surname. (Source: 'A Genealogy of the Descendants of George and Margery Dorrance Together With Notes on Some Later Dorrance Emigrants to America', compiled by Mrs I.H. Wynne and John D. Morrell, 1948.) Mary Mary Kyritsis Kifissia, Greece

> You can find this map on EBay. Right now, it appears that some is > selling an original, framed map for $50 and another sells a reproduction > for $20. I bought a reproduction a while ago and it is quite readable. > Search on "hunterdon map" to find both. If memory serves I got my copy of the map from the HCHS ... and at less cost than the above prices. But then, my memory ain't what it used to be. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net

Can some one take a picture of it and then enlarge the picture. We did this with a map on the wall at AN historical cent er in Canada. It worked very well. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Welch" <rwelch@zianet.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co is still there > I received an e-mail from the library yesterday. The 1851 Cornell map is > still there. Apparently, it is framed and cannot be copied on their copier, > but it should be readable. > > My compliments to those who have volunteered to make an index. I wish I > could help, but distance makes that impossible for me. I am trying to locate > and buy an original map from several map sellers, but I haven't had any > positive responses yet. > > Richard Welch > Farmington, New Mexico > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

You can find this map on EBay. Right now, it appears that some is selling an original, framed map for $50 and another sells a reproduction for $20. I bought a reproduction a while ago and it is quite readable. Search on "hunterdon map" to find both. AL

I received an e-mail from the library yesterday. The 1851 Cornell map is still there. Apparently, it is framed and cannot be copied on their copier, but it should be readable. My compliments to those who have volunteered to make an index. I wish I could help, but distance makes that impossible for me. I am trying to locate and buy an original map from several map sellers, but I haven't had any positive responses yet. Richard Welch Farmington, New Mexico

Thank you, Jerry. Very nice of you to take the time. I believe the "J.J. Vliet" you found on the map must be the one who owned property on Person Road between Bloomsbury and West Portal (Beers Atlas of Hunterdon County). DNA testing has proven that my Jacob B. Vliet ties in with the Vliet's who lived along that part of the Musconetcong, but I'm still looking for the parents of my Jacob. We know a lot about Jacob's wife, Barbary Opdyke, but almost nothing about Jacob. Thanks for trying to help. -Rita in South Hunterdon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Knock" <knock3x@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map > Rita- > I found a J J Vliet property located just south of the Musconetcong > about midway between Bloomsbury & Asbury...only Vliet I can see in > Bethlehem Twp > Jerry Knock > Researching family of Capt Jacob Anderson of Bethlehem Twp > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Chesterton [mailto:rchesterton@erols.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:06 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map > > I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the > Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out > there.....I'd > like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been > living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, > Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. > > Thanks for any help!! > Rita in Hunterdon > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dana is correct. The map is on the wall of the society library to the left of the door. But more important is that copies were made of the quadrants and property owner names in each township were indexed by volunteers and are available in the library. One just has to know to ask for the index of names. That reprinted map is the best mid-19th century resource of Hunterdon County people and could be coordinated with the 1850 census, all thirty years before Snell's 1882 History of Hunterdon. Pam Bush visiting in Tulsa, OK. On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:54:08 -0500, J. & D. Bowers wrote there was what looked like an original > 1851 Cornell map at the county historical society on Main st. in > Flemington. > > I found my copy at the Red Mill Museum gift shop in Clinton. That > was a couple of years ago for $8.00. > Dana Bowers > > >> > From: "Marshall Lake" <mlake@mlake.net> > > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:25 AM > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of the existence of an index to the 1851 Cornell > > Map of > > > Hunterdon Co? > > > >> > map > > > would be usable for indexing. > > > > > > With enough volunteers this map would be relatively easy to index > > (aside > > > from the small print). > > > > > > If interested in helping drop me a note. > > > > > > -- > > > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net >

Have not been to the main branch of the library recently but if memory serves me correctly, there was what looked like an original 1851 Cornell map at the county historical society on Main st. in Flemington. It's been a couple of years probably since I saw it but it was on the left wall as you walked in the door, to the left of the front window. It is a good size map... maybe 27" by 36"? (Mine is framed so that is a guess being edges are covered. I found my copy at the Red Mill Museum gift shop in Clinton. That was a couple of years ago for $8.00. Looks terrific on the wall but I would like another copy that I can lay flat and work with. So I just called the gift shop and while they are closed for the season until April, they will be open this weekend for a civil war encampment. Silly me,calling from my office with other things on my mind, I didn't ask if they still had the map...just when they would be open. I may run down there this weekend, if I can get within a mile of the place...parking is generally horrible on a regular day, let alone an event during a holiday shopping Saturday. So, for anyone who is determined enough... you could call first to see if they still have it. The number is 908-735-4101. Dana Bowers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co > Marshall, > > I am pleased to volunteer for the indexing of this map, although I > don't have a copy. Have you visited the newly renovated Hunterdon > County Library at Flemington? In the new reading room there is a very > old, framed county map on the wall - very large. Is this the 1851 > Cornell Map? Maybe we can seek permission to convene at the library > and use the map for indexing. Of course, for folks that can't get to > Flemington, we will need hard copies. > > What do you think? > > Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough > Holland Township, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Lake" <mlake@mlake.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:25 AM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co > > > > > > Does anyone know of the existence of an index to the 1851 Cornell > Map of > > Hunterdon Co? > > > > If not, would anyone here be interested in helping to create such an > > index? I think it would be necessary for a helper to own the map > (or have > > access to a copy) since the printing is pretty small (at least on > the copy > > that I have). I don't believe a scan or a digital photograph of the > map > > would be usable for indexing. > > > > With enough volunteers this map would be relatively easy to index > (aside > > from the small print). > > > > If interested in helping drop me a note. > > > > -- > > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Marshall, I am pleased to volunteer for the indexing of this map, although I don't have a copy. Have you visited the newly renovated Hunterdon County Library at Flemington? In the new reading room there is a very old, framed county map on the wall - very large. Is this the 1851 Cornell Map? Maybe we can seek permission to convene at the library and use the map for indexing. Of course, for folks that can't get to Flemington, we will need hard copies. What do you think? Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough Holland Township, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Lake" <mlake@mlake.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co > > Does anyone know of the existence of an index to the 1851 Cornell Map of > Hunterdon Co? > > If not, would anyone here be interested in helping to create such an > index? I think it would be necessary for a helper to own the map (or have > access to a copy) since the printing is pretty small (at least on the copy > that I have). I don't believe a scan or a digital photograph of the map > would be usable for indexing. > > With enough volunteers this map would be relatively easy to index (aside > from the small print). > > If interested in helping drop me a note. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Richard, I have an Emaline Welsh (Sep 8, 1836-Oct 17, 1890) who married George H. Dalley on Sep 3, 1863 in Mechanicsville, Readington Twp. My unsourced notes show her parents as William C. Welch, born 1807 in NJ, and Helena, born 1818 in NJ, and a sister Sarah Ann Welsh. For some time until the death of Emaline, William and Helena lived with George and Emaline. They had no surviving children. How does this Welch/Welsh family fit into your records, please? Thank you. Leslie (Dalley) Bouvier

Dear Jerry Knock, I think I missed the first e-mails about that map, but if you have it, could you please look for anyone named OSBORN? (If you don't have it, please forgive my request.) My Revolutionary ancestor, Joseph Osborn, lived in Bethlehem Twp. and East Amwell Twp. at different times. He then moved to Warren County, Ohio. All good wishes and many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips-Matz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Knock" <knock3x@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map > Rita- > I found a J J Vliet property located just south of the Musconetcong > about midway between Bloomsbury & Asbury...only Vliet I can see in > Bethlehem Twp > Jerry Knock > Researching family of Capt Jacob Anderson of Bethlehem Twp > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Chesterton [mailto:rchesterton@erols.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:06 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map > > I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the > Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out > there.....I'd > like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been > living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, > Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. > > Thanks for any help!! > Rita in Hunterdon > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone know of the existence of an index to the 1851 Cornell Map of Hunterdon Co? If not, would anyone here be interested in helping to create such an index? I think it would be necessary for a helper to own the map (or have access to a copy) since the printing is pretty small (at least on the copy that I have). I don't believe a scan or a digital photograph of the map would be usable for indexing. With enough volunteers this map would be relatively easy to index (aside from the small print). If interested in helping drop me a note. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net

Hello Everyone Many list members had expressed interest in purchasing copies of the syllabus from the second joint lecture series offered this fall by the New Jersey State Archives and the Genealogical Society of New Jersey. We are happy to announce that copies of the syllabus from "Exploring Your Jersey Roots II" are now ready and the prices have been set. The full syllabus is about 100 pages and contains all handout materials from all eight lectures. The syllabus is being made available in a CD-Rom format and in a printed version. The prices are $20 for the print version and $15 for the CD-Rom version. The price includes postage. Lecture titles and information can be found online at: http://www.njarchives.org/links/jersey-roots2.html. The syllabus is being produced in a limited number. Therefore, we ask that orders be postmarked by December 31, 2004. We are not able to accept orders via Email or telephone at this time. Orders should be sent to the following address: GSNJ - Jersey Roots II PO Box 1476 Trenton NJ 08607-1476 Please include your mailing address and a check or money order for the purchase price. Checks should be made payable to GSNJ. Specify which format you would like, hard copy or CD-Rom. Allow several weeks for the orders to be processed and your syllabus to be mailed to you. We can accept credit cards through the mail. If you wish to use a credit card, please provide both the mailing address and billing address (if they differ.) Include the security code on the back of your credit card, if there is one. This is generally a 3-4 digit code at the end of your credit card number on the signature line of your credit card. You will also need to include a telephone number, in case of problems. Thank you very much for your interest in the lecture series. I hope that you will find the syllabus to be very informative and the next-best thing to actually being at the lectures! If you have any other questions about the syllabus that I can answer, please contact me at the address below. Regards Joan M. Lowry Joan M. Lowry, President Genealogical Society of New Jersey mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net website: www.gsnj.org

Rita- I found a J J Vliet property located just south of the Musconetcong about midway between Bloomsbury & Asbury...only Vliet I can see in Bethlehem Twp Jerry Knock Researching family of Capt Jacob Anderson of Bethlehem Twp -----Original Message----- From: Rita Chesterton [mailto:rchesterton@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:06 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Samuel Cornell map I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out there.....I'd like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. Thanks for any help!! Rita in Hunterdon ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Good morning, Betty. If your query is about the "c" and "s" in my family name, I can give you the history. The name was originally spelled "Welsch". The family originated in Baumholder in Rheinland Pfalz. I’ve traced them back to the Visitation of 1609, but they were an old Baumholder family even then. They were primarily wagon makers and bricklayers. The name still exists in Baumholder. There were four Welsch cousins who came to New Jersey from Baumholder in the 1730s and 1740s. Only one, Johannes Wilhelm Welsch who came in 1741, left known descendants. The name has an interesting etymology -- it was a name given by invading German tribes to the Celtic residents of the Rheinland and was a term of derision meaning "foreigner." Anyway, the name is and was pronounced as if it were spelled "welch" no matter how it is spelled. The name was anglicized to Welsh around 1800 (but still pronounced Welch) and the family members who stayed in New Jersey kept that spelling (Welsh Farms, etc.) and most of those that moved away, in order to keep the correct pronunciation in their new homes, changed the spelling to "Welch". I have relatives in Texas who still spell the name Welsh but clearly pronounce it Welch. If they are from the Morris-Hunterdon area, they are all related, whether they spell their name Welsch, Welsh or Welch. The M. Welsh on the Cornell map is most likely Morris, the brother of my gr-gr-grandfather, David M. Welch. Another brother, Jacob Welsh, lived on the family farm, given in 1797 to their father, John Jacob Welsh, as a wedding gift by his father, when the Cornell map was made in 1851. It is on the north side of what is now called Hill and Dale Road, ½ mile north and 1 mile west of Oldwick. The problem is that Jacob’s name is on two farms in that same area and I don’t know which is the 1797 house and which is the “new” house. Looks like I’ll be making a trip to New Jersey sometime in the future…. but it’s a long drive from here (about 2,000 miles!), so it might be a while. My great-grandfather, Jacob Welch, visited his New Jersey aunts, uncles and cousins in 1865 as he was returning home from the Civil War. He kept a diary and mentions his uncle Jacob and others, which is great for making connections within the family. I still have the diary. He was given several photographs of relatives while he was in New Jersey, which I also have, but unfortunately none of the subjects are identified. Isn't that typical of our ancestors? They seldom identified the people in photographs, but then THEY knew who they were, so why bother? Jacob also visited some of his Dean relatives (his parents, David M. Welch and Mary Dean were married in 1824 in Hunterdon County and moved to Ohio the next year.) Mary's parents were Stephen and Elizabeth (Bunn) Dean, but I know nothing about them. Maybe someone can help me with the Deans. Richard Welch Farmington, New Mexico

I don't know if anyone has time or inclination to do 'look ups' on the Samuel Cornell map of Hunterdon, but IF there's someone out there.....I'd like to know if JACOB B. VLIET appears on the map. He could have been living anywhere between Still Valley in Greenwich Twp and West Portal, Bethlehem Twp, I suppose. Thanks for any help!! Rita in Hunterdon

John, Understand your map fustration... I also have given up or stopped where I am with a map of Somerset county... I was offered a map of the county, but it was 6x8 --six by eight FEET... Best wishes for the Holidays, John Ten Eyck of Mt. Clemens, MI