Hi Susan, I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question, perhaps a historian or scholar is watching the list and can fill in the details. My observations come from reading the Hunterdon Gazette and trying to locate people using the 1852 Cornell Map of Hunterdon County. There does appear to be many renters or tenants, or at least people who occupy a farm [property] location. This I derive from the many listings of property for sale and a statement near the end of these items, in which interested persons can view the premises by calling on so and so. So & So's name is usually different from the subscriber - the person who has listed the property. All names printed in the Gazette are listed in the Gazette Index! I also presume, which needs verification, that "land tax" was paid by the owner of record, just as it is today. And finally, the only way to know if a "renter" exists, is to consult the Gazette Index and hope they are noted in one of the advertisements. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Regards, Bill P. S.: And I have a general question to the NJHUNTER List: Each year there are Township and County Elections for the various positions of responsibility. Must the people elected be land owners [Freeholders]? If 'YES', this would rule out renters' or tenants' names appearing in these newspaper items! ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Pena To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" type land arrangements as we have them today. When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of property, if they were just renting the land? Susan ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

I have been a public official in Texas. Here, it is not required to own property to be an elected official or run for public office. You can be a renter or a "live in" person to be an elected official. The criteria is that you must be a "resident" of a certain place (town or city). I would imagine this is true most everywhere in the US because you can rent property and still have a voter's registration card and vote in elections. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > Hi Susan, > > I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question, perhaps a > historian or scholar is watching the list and can fill in the details. > > My observations come from reading the Hunterdon Gazette and trying to > locate people using the 1852 Cornell Map of Hunterdon County. > > There does appear to be many renters or tenants, or at least people who > occupy a farm [property] location. This I derive from the many listings of > property for sale and a statement near the end of these items, in which > interested persons can view the premises by calling on so and so. So & > So's name is usually different from the subscriber - the person who has > listed the property. > > All names printed in the Gazette are listed in the Gazette Index! > > I also presume, which needs verification, that "land tax" was paid by the > owner of record, just as it is today. > > And finally, the only way to know if a "renter" exists, is to consult the > Gazette Index and hope they are noted in one of the advertisements. > > Sorry I can't be more helpful. > > Regards, Bill > > P. S.: And I have a general question to the NJHUNTER List: > > Each year there are Township and County Elections for the various > positions of responsibility. > Must the people elected be land owners [Freeholders]? > > If 'YES', this would rule out renters' or tenants' names appearing in > these newspaper items! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan Pena > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:58 AM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > > I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid > 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there > a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" > type land arrangements as we have them today. > > When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for > them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, > especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where > there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from > the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of > property, if they were just renting the land? > > Susan > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn > more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Evelyn, I would like a copy too - if that is possible. Where can I send a check? And the index could be sent to my P.O. Box 137, Hampton, NJ 08827. Thank you so much!!! S. Wydner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Cataldi" <evelyn15@cox.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Re: Snell's book on Hunterdon, etc. > A few years ago, I was able to obtain the Index to Snell's Hunterdon book on an inter-library loan from the Morristown public library. It was on microfiche, and I copied the entire index on the library's machine. It runs 174 pages. If anyone would like to have a copy, I can copy it at Office Max, who charges 7 cents per page. The postage should run approx. $1.00. > > I would like to do all the copying at once, so if anyone does want the copy, please let me know within one week, and I will get the job done as soon as possible. > > Evelyn > > evelyn15@cox.net > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

E-bay is selling it for $502.00. Or you can be a decent replica from the Hunterdon County Historical Society for $40.00. That is where I got mine. With over a 1000% mark-up on E-Bay, I am definitely satisfied with my copy. In fact, there is often a few things on E-Bay that sell for much more than the Historical Society or the Hunterdon Co. Historica and Cultural Commision sell it for. (Plus, where would you rather have your money go?) - John Dane Coefer <danec@osfashland.org> wrote: From time to time the 1873 Hunterdon Atlas is sold on Ebay. I see someone is currently selling one there with bidding ending June 1st. -----Original Message----- From: Bertha Ann Lucas [mailto:balucas@houston.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:29 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? Bertha Ann ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

Roz, Hopewell Meeting was a major Quaker group. And the interesting thing about it was that when folks moved away they began another group and called it Hopewell. You will find many locations in many states with the same name that held Quaker meetings (i.e. Hopewell Friends of Frederick Co. VA came from NJ). Their early "churches" were always called "Meetings" and the records for Quakers are wonderful but you need some help learning to read them. There are many books out there that give direction and help but the one I like is Our Quaker Ancestors by Ellen Thomas Berry and David Allen Berry written in 1966. Later when the Methodist faith was gathering momentum in the US, they also called there worship "Meetings". Many Quakers became Methodist in the early 1800's as they moved west and south. The largest collection of these Quaker records is housed at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore, Pennsylvania. A few things to remember about them is: all their children were taught to read and write, they married by standing in front of their members and reciting their own made up vows (so often there is no record except in the Quaker records), and early, they did not believe in having monuments placed on graves (so it is often difficult to find them in cemeteries). One neat thing about them was each meeting had a recorder and they kept track of when a person left their group and where they went. And if they came to a new "meeting" they would tell from whence they came. They listed all the attendants at a wedding and they gave the names of those disowned and why. I have found it very helpful to "fill in" information about the time my ancestors lived by searching for and reading histories of the US written before 1900. I like the one written by Ridpath. Good hunting, Cinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > Dane, > > Again very interesting... > > The Amanda Jane KIER who married (1862) the BELLIS in Highland Co OH also > descended from the STOUTs of Hopewell, Hunterdon Co NJ: Rebecca STOUT who > married Ralph DRAKE. > > I'm only now beginning to become educated on the Dunker (...and Quaker?) > movement from NJ to VA/PA...and then to KY which is where my central > interest lies in terms of busting my genealogical brick walls. Thus far > my > research has been focusing primarily on KY/NJ/PA Census and Land > acquisition > records in trying to figure all this out--not only of my direct ancestors > but their neighbors and close associates as well. Only recently have I > been > paying attention to religious history/affiliation mainly out of necessity > due to ambiguities and gaps in the Census & Land data. For about two > years > I have been uncovering clues which could suggest my Philip BELLIS's "as > yet" > identified parents may have been associated with either DUNKERs or > QUAKERs...or BAPTISTs. > > If Andrew BELLIS was a DUNKER or QUAKER would be a significant piece of > data. > > Thank you again! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:58 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr > ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > Good question! > > The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several publications > of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was > one.) > The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original > settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell > ancestors > (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their STOUT > cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. > > The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed > property > owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for > corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). > Gideon > lived in or near Reaville. > > Dane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- > Andrew > BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > Dane, > > Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS > homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's brother > William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the > father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now lives..." > and map out this area. > > But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions that > Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker > meeting house? > > Thanks! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Roz, > > Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The > Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within > those > limits. > > This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or > one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly > after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as > the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, > who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to > Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to > Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." > > http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html > > Dane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Dane, > > This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the > meaning > of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are > saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in > what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't > start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. > > Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I > presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of > Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with > a > descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who > married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy > (VanKIRK) > DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question > is: > who was the father of George BELLIS. > > All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters > (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa > 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to > immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" > located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been > accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE > bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from > Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... > > Thanks for your reply! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the > Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the > "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property > as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 > years on Broad St. Hopewell. > > Dane Coefer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis > farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in > the > November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": > > "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on > Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining > lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in > East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, > and > the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. > DRAKE. > Fair prices were obtained for all." > > I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" > located > along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different > Bellis > property. > > Thanks, > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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From time to time the 1873 Hunterdon Atlas is sold on Ebay. I see someone is currently selling one there with bidding ending June 1st. -----Original Message----- From: Bertha Ann Lucas [mailto:balucas@houston.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:29 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? Bertha Ann

Cindi, Since you know so much about the Quakers, especially in Virginia, you wouldn't have any information on the Whitacre/Whitaker, especially John Whitacre who married Naomi Hulme, would you? He was born in Bucks Co., PA, lived in Kingwood, NJ (1756) and later moved to Loudoun Co., VA. They had a son, George who married Ruth Wilson and they were part of the Fairfax MM and the Goose Creek Friends MM. Goose Creek Friends MM is in Lincoln, Loudoun Co., VA (today) but I am not sure if Fairfax MM was in NJ or not. Possibly. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cinda Justice" <calj@bright.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > Roz, > Hopewell Meeting was a major Quaker group. And the interesting thing > about it was that when folks moved away they began another group and > called it Hopewell. You will find many locations in many states with the > same name that held Quaker meetings (i.e. Hopewell Friends of Frederick > Co. VA came from NJ). Their early "churches" were always called > "Meetings" and the records for Quakers are wonderful but you need some > help learning to read them. There are many books out there that give > direction and help but the one I like is Our Quaker Ancestors by Ellen > Thomas Berry and David Allen Berry written in 1966. Later when the > Methodist faith was gathering momentum in the US, they also called there > worship "Meetings". Many Quakers became Methodist in the early 1800's as > they moved west and south. The largest collection of these Quaker records > is housed at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore, Pennsylvania. A few > things to remember about them is: all their children were taught to read > and write, they married by standing in front of their members and > reciting their own made up vows (so often there is no record except in the > Quaker records), and early, they did not believe in having monuments > placed on graves (so it is often difficult to find them in cemeteries). > One neat thing about them was each meeting had a recorder and they kept > track of when a person left their group and where they went. And if they > came to a new "meeting" they would tell from whence they came. They > listed all the attendants at a wedding and they gave the names of those > disowned and why. > I have found it very helpful to "fill in" information about the time my > ancestors lived by searching for and reading histories of the US written > before 1900. I like the one written by Ridpath. > Good hunting, > Cinda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:46 PM > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr > ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > >> Dane, >> >> Again very interesting... >> >> The Amanda Jane KIER who married (1862) the BELLIS in Highland Co OH also >> descended from the STOUTs of Hopewell, Hunterdon Co NJ: Rebecca STOUT >> who >> married Ralph DRAKE. >> >> I'm only now beginning to become educated on the Dunker (...and Quaker?) >> movement from NJ to VA/PA...and then to KY which is where my central >> interest lies in terms of busting my genealogical brick walls. Thus far >> my >> research has been focusing primarily on KY/NJ/PA Census and Land >> acquisition >> records in trying to figure all this out--not only of my direct ancestors >> but their neighbors and close associates as well. Only recently have I >> been >> paying attention to religious history/affiliation mainly out of necessity >> due to ambiguities and gaps in the Census & Land data. For about two >> years >> I have been uncovering clues which could suggest my Philip BELLIS's "as >> yet" >> identified parents may have been associated with either DUNKERs or >> QUAKERs...or BAPTISTs. >> >> If Andrew BELLIS was a DUNKER or QUAKER would be a significant piece of >> data. >> >> Thank you again! >> >> Roz BELLIS >> Alexandria VA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:58 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >> Andr >> ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >> >> Good question! >> >> The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several >> publications >> of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was >> one.) >> The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original >> settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell >> ancestors >> (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their >> STOUT >> cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. >> >> The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed >> property >> owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for >> corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). >> Gideon >> lived in or near Reaville. >> >> Dane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >> Andrew >> BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >> >> Dane, >> >> Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS >> homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's >> brother >> William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the >> father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now >> lives..." >> and map out this area. >> >> But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions >> that >> Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker >> meeting house? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Roz BELLIS >> Alexandria VA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >> >> Roz, >> >> Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. >> The >> Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within >> those >> limits. >> >> This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis >> or >> one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly >> after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known >> as >> the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: >> William, >> who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to >> Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to >> Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." >> >> http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html >> >> Dane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >> >> Dane, >> >> This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the >> meaning >> of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are >> saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located >> in >> what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't >> start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. >> >> Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I >> presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of >> Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with >> a >> descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who >> married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy >> (VanKIRK) >> DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question >> is: >> who was the father of George BELLIS. >> >> All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of >> Selters >> (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa >> 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong >> to >> immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" >> located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been >> accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE >> bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away >> from >> Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... >> >> Thanks for your reply! >> >> Roz BELLIS >> Alexandria VA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >> >> This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of >> the >> Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the >> "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the >> property >> as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 >> years on Broad St. Hopewell. >> >> Dane Coefer >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >> >> Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis >> farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in >> the >> November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": >> >> "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on >> Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the >> adjoining >> lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot >> in >> East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, >> and >> the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. >> DRAKE. >> Fair prices were obtained for all." >> >> I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" >> located >> along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different >> Bellis >> property. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Roz BELLIS >> Alexandria VA >> >> >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" type land arrangements as we have them today. When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of property, if they were just renting the land? Susan

Dane, Again very interesting... The Amanda Jane KIER who married (1862) the BELLIS in Highland Co OH also descended from the STOUTs of Hopewell, Hunterdon Co NJ: Rebecca STOUT who married Ralph DRAKE. I'm only now beginning to become educated on the Dunker (...and Quaker?) movement from NJ to VA/PA...and then to KY which is where my central interest lies in terms of busting my genealogical brick walls. Thus far my research has been focusing primarily on KY/NJ/PA Census and Land acquisition records in trying to figure all this out--not only of my direct ancestors but their neighbors and close associates as well. Only recently have I been paying attention to religious history/affiliation mainly out of necessity due to ambiguities and gaps in the Census & Land data. For about two years I have been uncovering clues which could suggest my Philip BELLIS's "as yet" identified parents may have been associated with either DUNKERs or QUAKERs...or BAPTISTs. If Andrew BELLIS was a DUNKER or QUAKER would be a significant piece of data. Thank you again! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:58 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Good question! The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several publications of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was one.) The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell ancestors (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their STOUT cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed property owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). Gideon lived in or near Reaville. Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andrew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Dane, Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's brother William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now lives..." and map out this area. But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions that Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker meeting house? Thanks! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Roz, Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within those limits. This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Dane, This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the meaning of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with a descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question is: who was the father of George BELLIS. All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... Thanks for your reply! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 years on Broad St. Hopewell. Dane Coefer -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in the November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, and the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. DRAKE. Fair prices were obtained for all." I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" located along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different Bellis property. Thanks, Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Dave - Would you mind sharing your information on Rittenhouse. My ggrandfather was A. Whitfield Rittenhouse. Most of the Rittenhouse ancestors I have found are buried in the Frenchtown Cemetery and Locust Grove Cemetery. Thank you very much :-) Donna www.donnadoklan.com (Tharp-Case Genealogy) www.riegelmemories.com (Riegel Memories) -----Original Message----- From: David Sherman [mailto:dasherman@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:10 AM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] Duckworth/Bellesfelt Roz, I have chidren of George Duckworth and Elizabeth Bellesfelt, but no dates of any kind. Let me know if you want me to post this and I'll do so. Dave Sherman Researching Sherman, Bellis, Rittenhouse, Reep, Dalrymple, Opdyke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons > Jan, > > I have: > > Peter BELLESFELT, b. 1756 Flemington, Hunterdon Co NJ; m. Jane VanHORN. > Peter died and was buried in Trumbull Co OH (? now Mahoning Co?) in 1844 > on > the farm of Eli YOUNG, his son-in-law. Peter fought in the Revolution and > served for a period of time with the PA Frontier Rangers in SW PA; owned > land in Fallowfield Twp, Washington Co PA before moving to OH. I have no > idea who his father was... > > I have in my files reference to a marriage of "George DUCKWORTH and > Elizabeth BELLIS"...but nothing more...no dates/location, etc. Do you > have > this couple in your files...and any dates/locations associated with them? > > Do you have any idea how or why CHAMBERLIN ended up in Trumbull Co OH? > > Thanks, > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: janalpert@aol.com [mailto:janalpert@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:23 AM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons > > I was recently on a genealogy trip to NE Ohio researching my Connecticut > lines that moved there. > I also descend from William (1772-1851) and Elizabeth (Duckworth) > Chamberlin > from Hunterdon Co. who are buried in Vienna, Trumbull Co., OH. I took > pictures of their tombstones, if anyone else is related and would like a > picture. The stones are quite faded because of their age. > > I believe William's grandmother was Eleanor Clayton who married Joseph > Taylor ca. 1725. I believe her father was John Clayton and his wife Alice > _____. I have very little information on the Claytons and have not seen > Raymond Bell's book on the Clayton's (although I have seen his research on > another family of mine in PA). If this family is mentioned in Raymond's > Bell's book I'd love to pay you for a copy of the relevant pages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita G Clayton <rclaytonsr@juno.com> > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:09 -0400 > Subject: [NJHUNTER] road surveys, also Claytons in Ohio > > >>May I ask whether you still have access to that film? If you do, and if > it's not asking too much, could you please look for OSBORN, if there is > an index of surnames? > > Mary Jane, > That film is still there. It is only an index and this film is only the > section of the index from Road to Thorp and doesn't cover the name > Osborn, sorry. As I said, it is the only one of that index series that > is there. > > On the Claytons that you asked about, Warren Co. Ohio is full of NJ > people. You don't give any dates, which makes it hard. > > Could Mary Clayton have been born in 1777 (feb 18)? I have a book The > Study of the Claytons of Monmouth co. NJ, done by Raymond Martin Bell. > He mentions a Mary dau of Thomas, but they are from Perry Co Ohio, which > isn't really close to Perry county. Those Claytons had moved form NJ > probably to Hampton co WV in c.1775 and on to Ohio. > > Anita > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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David, My interest is Frederick Duckworth born abt 1805 in NJ, and his son Alfred Duckworth born 1844 in NJ. When and where was George born? Wondering if they could be related. I also have Fayetta Henrietta Reep marrying a Sherman. Do you know his first name? Fayetta's g grandfather was Cornelius Myers. Thanks, Gary Myers David Sherman wrote: I have chidren of George Duckworth and Elizabeth Bellesfelt, but no dates of any kind. Let me know if you want me to post this and I'll do so. Dave Sherman Researching Sherman, Bellis, Rittenhouse, Reep, Dalrymple, Opdyke

Hi - I would like the information on George and Elizabeth Duckworth. I do not have any dates. Thank you. Ed. Ephrom, Jr. Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sherman" <dasherman@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Duckworth/Bellesfelt > Roz, > > I have chidren of George Duckworth and Elizabeth Bellesfelt, but no dates > of > any kind. > Let me know if you want me to post this and I'll do so. > > Dave Sherman > Researching Sherman, Bellis, Rittenhouse, Reep, Dalrymple, Opdyke > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:09 PM > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons > > >> Jan, >> >> I have: >> >> Peter BELLESFELT, b. 1756 Flemington, Hunterdon Co NJ; m. Jane VanHORN. >> Peter died and was buried in Trumbull Co OH (? now Mahoning Co?) in 1844 >> on >> the farm of Eli YOUNG, his son-in-law. Peter fought in the Revolution >> and >> served for a period of time with the PA Frontier Rangers in SW PA; owned >> land in Fallowfield Twp, Washington Co PA before moving to OH. I have no >> idea who his father was... >> >> I have in my files reference to a marriage of "George DUCKWORTH and >> Elizabeth BELLIS"...but nothing more...no dates/location, etc. Do you >> have >> this couple in your files...and any dates/locations associated with them? >> >> Do you have any idea how or why CHAMBERLIN ended up in Trumbull Co OH? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Roz BELLIS >> Alexandria VA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: janalpert@aol.com [mailto:janalpert@aol.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:23 AM >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons >> >> I was recently on a genealogy trip to NE Ohio researching my Connecticut >> lines that moved there. >> I also descend from William (1772-1851) and Elizabeth (Duckworth) >> Chamberlin >> from Hunterdon Co. who are buried in Vienna, Trumbull Co., OH. I took >> pictures of their tombstones, if anyone else is related and would like a >> picture. The stones are quite faded because of their age. >> >> I believe William's grandmother was Eleanor Clayton who married Joseph >> Taylor ca. 1725. I believe her father was John Clayton and his wife >> Alice >> _____. I have very little information on the Claytons and have not seen >> Raymond Bell's book on the Clayton's (although I have seen his research >> on >> another family of mine in PA). If this family is mentioned in Raymond's >> Bell's book I'd love to pay you for a copy of the relevant pages. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anita G Clayton <rclaytonsr@juno.com> >> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:09 -0400 >> Subject: [NJHUNTER] road surveys, also Claytons in Ohio >> >> >>>May I ask whether you still have access to that film? If you do, and if >> it's not asking too much, could you please look for OSBORN, if there is >> an index of surnames? >> >> Mary Jane, >> That film is still there. It is only an index and this film is only the >> section of the index from Road to Thorp and doesn't cover the name >> Osborn, sorry. As I said, it is the only one of that index series that >> is there. >> >> On the Claytons that you asked about, Warren Co. Ohio is full of NJ >> people. You don't give any dates, which makes it hard. >> >> Could Mary Clayton have been born in 1777 (feb 18)? I have a book The >> Study of the Claytons of Monmouth co. NJ, done by Raymond Martin Bell. >> He mentions a Mary dau of Thomas, but they are from Perry Co Ohio, which >> isn't really close to Perry county. Those Claytons had moved form NJ >> probably to Hampton co WV in c.1775 and on to Ohio. >> >> Anita >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> This mail list is archived at: >> http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. 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Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? Bertha Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Coefer" <danec@osfashland.org> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > Good question! > > The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several publications > of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was > one.) > The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original > settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell > ancestors > (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their STOUT > cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. > > The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed > property > owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for > corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). > Gideon > lived in or near Reaville. > > Dane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- > Andrew > BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > Dane, > > Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS > homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's brother > William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the > father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now lives..." > and map out this area. > > But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions that > Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker > meeting house? > > Thanks! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Roz, > > Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The > Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within > those > limits. > > This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or > one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly > after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as > the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, > who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to > Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to > Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." > > http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html > > Dane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Dane, > > This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the > meaning > of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are > saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in > what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't > start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. > > Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I > presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of > Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with > a > descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who > married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy > (VanKIRK) > DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question > is: > who was the father of George BELLIS. > > All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters > (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa > 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to > immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" > located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been > accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE > bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from > Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... > > Thanks for your reply! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the > Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the > "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property > as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 > years on Broad St. Hopewell. > > Dane Coefer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis > farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in > the > November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": > > "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on > Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining > lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in > East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, > and > the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. > DRAKE. > Fair prices were obtained for all." > > I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" > located > along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different > Bellis > property. > > Thanks, > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Dane, Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's brother William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now lives..." and map out this area. But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions that Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker meeting house? Thanks! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Roz, Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within those limits. This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Dane, This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the meaning of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with a descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question is: who was the father of George BELLIS. All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... Thanks for your reply! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 years on Broad St. Hopewell. Dane Coefer -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in the November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, and the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. DRAKE. Fair prices were obtained for all." I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" located along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different Bellis property. Thanks, Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== This mail list is archived at: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

It is so interesting that a William Bellis died in NJ in 1826 and my Wiliam Bellis died in KY and had is will probated in Bourbon Co. KY in Feb. 1825. Why did they have to reuse the same names over and over? ;-) Connie Bellows Moulder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Coefer" <danec@osfashland.org> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > Roz, > > Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The > Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within those > limits. > > This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or > one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly > after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as > the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, > who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to > Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to > Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." > > http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html > > Dane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Dane, > > This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the meaning > of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are > saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in > what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't > start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. > > Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I > presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of > Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with a > descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who > married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) > DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question is: > who was the father of George BELLIS. > > All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters > (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa > 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to > immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" > located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been > accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE > bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from > Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... > > Thanks for your reply! > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the > Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the > "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property > as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 > years on Broad St. Hopewell. > > Dane Coefer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 > > Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis > farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in the > November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": > > "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on > Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining > lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in > East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, and > the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. DRAKE. > Fair prices were obtained for all." > > I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" located > along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different Bellis > property. > > Thanks, > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Good question! The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several publications of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was one.) The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell ancestors (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their STOUT cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed property owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). Gideon lived in or near Reaville. Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andrew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Dane, Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's brother William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now lives..." and map out this area. But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions that Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a Quaker meeting house? Thanks! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Roz, Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within those limits. This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Dane, This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the meaning of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with a descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question is: who was the father of George BELLIS. All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... Thanks for your reply! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 years on Broad St. Hopewell. Dane Coefer -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in the November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, and the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. DRAKE. Fair prices were obtained for all." I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" located along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different Bellis property. Thanks, Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== This mail list is archived at: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Roz, Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. The Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within those limits. This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis or one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known as the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: William, who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went to Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html Dane -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Dane, This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the meaning of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located in what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I won't start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence with a descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question is: who was the father of George BELLIS. All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of Selters (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong to immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS Homestead" located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away from Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... Thanks for your reply! Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of the Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the property as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of 15 years on Broad St. Hopewell. Dane Coefer -----Original Message----- From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in the November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading "HOPEWELL": "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the adjoining lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot in East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, and the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. DRAKE. Fair prices were obtained for all." I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" located along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different Bellis property. Thanks, Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I have Eva Sarah Vliet born August 12, 1878, died March 121, 1967 as wife of William Runkel LANCE born April 22, 1873 died July 9, 1945. They may have had children, but I have no information on this. I'd like to find if there are children of this family and see if they have any information on my LANCE people. Thank you. Laurence Lance Seattle

More information on Asher SMITH of Bethlehem Township would be appreciated. 1. Robert Smith, born circa 1762 or earlier; died in Bethlehem Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey between 8 February 1812 when he made his will and 27 November 1813 when it was proved; he married, say 1780, Jemima_____. Jemima died after 22 May 1817 when a deed was recorded for a land purchase that she had made but before 27 March 1838 when her children executed a deed pertaining to their parents' property including Jemima's 1817 purchase. Children included: x. Asher; b. say 1799; resided in Bethlehem Township as of 27 March 1838. For all known details regarding Robert SMITH, please see... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~streeter/smith-robert.pdf or http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~streeter/SMITH-R.TXT Thanks for your help! Perry (perry@streeter.com) www.perry.streeter.com

More information on William R. & Sarah (-----) SMITH of Bethlehem Township would be appreciated. 1. Robert Smith, born circa 1762 or earlier; died in Bethlehem Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey between 8 February 1812 when he made his will and 27 November 1813 when it was proved; he married, say 1780, Jemima_____. Jemima died after 22 May 1817 when a deed was recorded for a land purchase that she had made but before 27 March 1838 when her children executed a deed pertaining to their parents' property including Jemima's 1817 purchase. Children included: i. William R; b. say 1782; m. Sarah _____; resided in Bethlehem Township as of 27 March 1838. For all known details regarding Robert SMITH, please see.. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~streeter/smith-robert.pdf or http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~streeter/SMITH-R.TXT Thanks for your help! Perry (perry@streeter.com) www.perry.streeter.com