Lilly Thank you, thank you thank you, for all the info re: City Directories. I had no clue!!!!! I spend most of my time at the LDS library any more. They are going to start asking me to work there I fear. I will look up the directories on Ancestory tomorrow. And I'll do the same with rootsweb and get signed on there as well. I'm not sure how I got on here, but my new found cousin sent me the address and, BINGO I was here. Been trying to figure this all out without sounding too stupid. And thank you to everyone else for sharing all your little tricks. This week I found the Snell's index on Heritage Quest and got my reference pages and went to my local library and there was the hard back book of Snells and there were all the relatives in the book !!!!!! Absolutely amaizing You all are terrific. Thanks again. Ann Brown
Hello Catherine, Unfortunately, the Snell's Index show no Philip CHAPMAN, or James or Benjamin, either. Sorry I can't help you further. (Mr.) Leslie Moore Reference Librarian Hunterdon County Library At 02:01 PM 5/29/05 EDT, you wrote: >I need someone wiht the index to look up Philip Chapman . helived and caded >wool in Hunterdon Co and Bucks Co PA from 1745 to 1777. I do now know his >wife, though sons were James and Benjamin. > >Catherine > > >==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >
Hi Folks There is still time to register for the all day genealogy conference in Gloucester County on June 11. (See all the program details below.) Two bonus features have been added!! Gloucester County Historical Society will open their library on Friday evening, June 10, from 6:00 pm to 9:30 pm for program attendees who would like to do research. and Rooms are available at the Best Western West Deptford Inn, Thorofare, at a extra-low conference rate of $66.00 per night. The Best Western is very close to the West Deptford Middle School. (Telephone for Best Western: 856-848-4111, mention Gloucester County Historical Society to get the $66 rate) So - come on down (over? up?) early, get in some research time, and join us for what promises to be a most interesting set of lectures! Please send an email mailto:programs@gsnj.org or phone 856-845-7881 to make a reservation for the program. We look forward to meeting everyone there! Regards, Joan Joan M. Lowry, President Genealogical Society of New Jersey mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net website: www.gsnj.org > > Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Other Speakers in NJ June 11 > > June 11 -- West Deptford, New Jersey: The Genealogical Society of New > Jersey and the Gloucester County Historical Society will co-sponsor an > all day Genealogical Conference featuring Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, an > entertaining and nationally recognized speaker, in two lectures -- "Find > That Obituary! Online Newspaper Research" and "Remembering Our Ancestors". > > Three other speakers will discuss the methodology to use probate > records, 20th Century military records, East & West Jersey Proprietors > records, and evaluation of sources -- Charles S. Mason, CGRS, > professional genealogist; Joseph Klett, Chief, New Jersey State > Archives; Karen Lamberton, genealogical lecturer. > > The conference will be held at the West Deptford Middle School, with > ample parking and easy access from major highways. More information and > a registration form, are available on the GSNJ website: www.gsnj.org; > direct link to the Conference brochure: > www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/events.html. >
Donna, "It's a small world" anecdote... Last night I attended a book-signing at Mt. Vernon, which was followed by a reception. Got into a discussion with an attendee about Quakers... and New Jersey managed to pop up. His said "My ancestors were from Hunterdon Co, but were Mennonite ministers" so I asked "What was their name?" and to my delight he replied "RITTENHOUSE". So of course I couldn't help but mention that there was a marriage way back when between a RITTENHOUSE and BELLIS! (John BELLIS b. 1828 married both Amy and Rachel Ann RITTENHOUSE, daughters of James and Abigail (Mattison) RITTENHOUSE who are related to your A. Whitfield.) Roz BELLIS Alexandria VA -----Original Message----- From: Donna Doklan [mailto:dokland@enter.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:37 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Duckworth/Bellesfelt Dave - Would you mind sharing your information on Rittenhouse. My ggrandfather was A. Whitfield Rittenhouse. Most of the Rittenhouse ancestors I have found are buried in the Frenchtown Cemetery and Locust Grove Cemetery. Thank you very much :-) Donna www.donnadoklan.com (Tharp-Case Genealogy) www.riegelmemories.com (Riegel Memories) -----Original Message----- From: David Sherman [mailto:dasherman@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:10 AM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] Duckworth/Bellesfelt Roz, I have chidren of George Duckworth and Elizabeth Bellesfelt, but no dates of any kind. Let me know if you want me to post this and I'll do so. Dave Sherman Researching Sherman, Bellis, Rittenhouse, Reep, Dalrymple, Opdyke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons > Jan, > > I have: > > Peter BELLESFELT, b. 1756 Flemington, Hunterdon Co NJ; m. Jane VanHORN. > Peter died and was buried in Trumbull Co OH (? now Mahoning Co?) in 1844 > on > the farm of Eli YOUNG, his son-in-law. Peter fought in the Revolution and > served for a period of time with the PA Frontier Rangers in SW PA; owned > land in Fallowfield Twp, Washington Co PA before moving to OH. I have no > idea who his father was... > > I have in my files reference to a marriage of "George DUCKWORTH and > Elizabeth BELLIS"...but nothing more...no dates/location, etc. Do you > have > this couple in your files...and any dates/locations associated with them? > > Do you have any idea how or why CHAMBERLIN ended up in Trumbull Co OH? > > Thanks, > > Roz BELLIS > Alexandria VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: janalpert@aol.com [mailto:janalpert@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:23 AM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Chamberlins in OH and Claytons > > I was recently on a genealogy trip to NE Ohio researching my Connecticut > lines that moved there. > I also descend from William (1772-1851) and Elizabeth (Duckworth) > Chamberlin > from Hunterdon Co. who are buried in Vienna, Trumbull Co., OH. I took > pictures of their tombstones, if anyone else is related and would like a > picture. The stones are quite faded because of their age. > > I believe William's grandmother was Eleanor Clayton who married Joseph > Taylor ca. 1725. I believe her father was John Clayton and his wife Alice > _____. I have very little information on the Claytons and have not seen > Raymond Bell's book on the Clayton's (although I have seen his research on > another family of mine in PA). If this family is mentioned in Raymond's > Bell's book I'd love to pay you for a copy of the relevant pages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita G Clayton <rclaytonsr@juno.com> > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:09 -0400 > Subject: [NJHUNTER] road surveys, also Claytons in Ohio > > >>May I ask whether you still have access to that film? If you do, and if > it's not asking too much, could you please look for OSBORN, if there is > an index of surnames? > > Mary Jane, > That film is still there. It is only an index and this film is only the > section of the index from Road to Thorp and doesn't cover the name > Osborn, sorry. As I said, it is the only one of that index series that > is there. > > On the Claytons that you asked about, Warren Co. Ohio is full of NJ > people. You don't give any dates, which makes it hard. > > Could Mary Clayton have been born in 1777 (feb 18)? I have a book The > Study of the Claytons of Monmouth co. NJ, done by Raymond Martin Bell. > He mentions a Mary dau of Thomas, but they are from Perry Co Ohio, which > isn't really close to Perry county. Those Claytons had moved form NJ > probably to Hampton co WV in c.1775 and on to Ohio. > > Anita > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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I'm looking for any information on any DRAKE's that lived in Hunterton Co.,NJ. in the early 1700's. According to DNA test results we are strongly connected to Benjamin Drake born 1729 somewhere in NJ.I have no idea at this point who his parents were either. Thanks for the help! Sincerely, Pam Drake in IN. padrake@sbcglobal.net
Dear Cinda, Thanks for writing your comments, because I can see that one of your comments was something I had not thought of. The original writer had said she had gone through land and tax records in a specific location, that she knew her ancestor to live at, but not found any records. That would mean he did NOT own the land, and thus did not pay any taxes of the land, because that would be paid by the OWNER, never the renter. (This is still true today, as then) OK, then a Tenant Farmer, never a land owner, where do we find their records? I had suggested a city directory, of the appropriate area and date(of course every 10 years they will be on a federal census, and there are state census' as well.) But you have suggested here to look at THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RECORDS. This is an Excellent suggestion, and one that I never thought of! In researching my ancestors in Virginia, I recall seeing personal property tax lists, but I did not remember this until now. I have always thought of Land, House, Farm, Ownership, and I forgot to think of personal property tax. Thanks for reminding me. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cinda Justice" <calj@bright.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > As far as taxes, in > our state OH you paid personal property tax on everything you owned if you > were a laborer and worked for a farmer. You might live with he and his > family or you might have a cabin on his property but if you owned your own > horse and cow.... you paid taxes on them. something's never change. Ha! > http://users.rcn.com/deeds/landref.htm
Hello Ann, City Directories have been around for a long time, well before the telephone's invention. In NYC they start in the 1700's. In a small, or rural location, they might be much later, so it depends on location. The City Directories can be accessed in several ways: 1. Go to the Public Library and look at them there. 2. Go to your nearest FHC they have them all on microfilm, all over , ever location and year imaginable, rent the microfilm and have funn reading thru. You would request the DATE and LOCATION applicable to your family. 3. Subscribe to a specific mailing list, which is looking for City Directory Look-ups. Go to www.rootsweb.com click on MAILING LISTS, now start looking for city directories, or the location. For example: I was subsribed before to a mailing list called: OK-CITY-DIRECTORIES-L@rootsweb.com That was location specific to Oklahoma City, OK. So you need the specific location for your county/state. They are available. Once subscribe, request a certain name, and YEAR and location and see what comes back for you. It is free, it can't hurt! 4. www.ancestry.com Ancestry.com has a specific database which covers City Directories. Perhaps you could go to your nearest FHC , because they ALL offer access to ancestry.com FREE of charge at all their facilities, so you could go there and look it up. 5. While subscribed to just a regular county mailing list, for example this one here, NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com you could also post the name, daye, location you are looking for, because it is possible that someone reading the mailing list might have access to that info, or might want to help you personally, with a look-up. Don't be shy! Ask for what you need, and someone might surprise you with plenty of data, and help! I hope these were some good ides/suggestions for you. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cookiebrown11@aol.com> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > Lilly, > > You mentioned in your note that you found some of your information in city > directories. Where can you find them and when did they start keeping them. > Before the telephone ? > > Ann > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >
Another consideration....although I'm far from an expert in this respect..... If you suspect, or family lore claims, that your ancestor MAY have owned a specific house (or a certain farm), it often helps to begin by obtaining the identity of the current owner, and then tracing the deed backwards. As most every deed mentions the name of the prior owner, it's fairly easy to trace the ownership deed by deed. This system worked for me in several instances, leading me directly to my ancestor's name. Rita in Hunterdon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > This is an excellent question. Long ago not everyone had enough money to > buy land. Many people were renters all their life. This holds true now, > as > then. > The FREE land offered out WEST, like in Oklahoma and Texas at one time, > was > a very big draw for poor folks looking to have their "American Dream". > I recall in a history book story about one of my own relatives who went > from > New Jersey to Ohio and Indiana as of 1813, that the reason for the move > was > "a down turn of finances". He was a Doctor in New York City. This tells > me > he was for some reason unsuccessful, financially in NYC, perhaps a bad > business deal, or perhaps he found too much competion in NYC. So he was > forced to Go West for his income. > > If you couldn't make it in the NJ-NY area, you went WEST to try your luck. > > Land and Taxes are always in the name of the owner, never the renter. > City > directories will show all the citizens, regarless of ownership, and > sometimes a city directory wiull even have a column noting did they rent > or > own, also census records, church records, etc. But if you have combed the > correct county for deeds and taxes, then you must consider that they may > have never owned property. (Make sure that you have checked the correct > county!) > > I have found that CLERGY (ministers/preachers) often never owned land, but > were given house and garden/field for their family, many times near to the > church, and it was church owned land. That man's name will not show up. > > Could there be mines, or some other type of factory/occupation in which a > company owned the houses that the workers lived at? My grandfather lived > 43 > years in a 'gas company' house, owned by the Lone Star Gas Co in Texas, he > was the district supervisor. His name would never show on land deeds > until > he retired and moved away and bought a house. > > My Brower family were in New York City from 1642 thru 1813, I haven't > checked, but many generations of them probably were renters, never > actually > owning their home. I have noticed that their house address in city > director > ies often changed from year to year, also evidence that they moved alot, > because they were renters, not owners. > > In a rural countryside setting we would expect that a family OWNED their > own > farm, but perhaps they were renters of the land, called Tenant Farmers. > In > a large city like NYC we could expect that many persons rented, as opposed > to owned. > > I wish you good luck in all your searches. > Lilly Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:58 AM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > >> I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid > 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there > a > lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" > type land arrangements as we have them today. >> >> When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for > them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, > especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where > there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from > the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of > property, if they were just renting the land? >> >> Susan >> >> >> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >
Gary & David: Your DUCKWORTHS may be descendants of George-3 DUCKWORTH & Jakementie-4 WILLIAMSON. Jackementie/Jacomyntje/Jemima was the dau. of Cornelis-3 WILLIAMSON (Willem-2 Willemsen, Willem-1 Gerritsen) and Grietje-3 GULICK (Jochem-2, Hendrick-1), originally of Gravesend, Kings Co., NY. Any corrections or additions to the following outline would be appreciated. Perry 3.10. Jakementie Williamson, named in honor of maternal grandmother, Jacomyntje (Van Pelt) Gulick, bap 1718 New Brunswick, NJ RDC with maternal uncle Pieter Gulick and maternal aunt Jackementie Gulick as sponsors; as "Jamima Williamson" spinster m. George Duckworth by license dated 26 June 1739 with bondsman Joakim Williamson. George-3 Duckworth (William-2, John-11) was the son of William-22 & Grace (_____) Duckworth of New Hanover, Burlington Co., NJ. George & Jemima were probably the parents of: 3.10.1. Peggy Duckworth, named in honor of maternal grandmother, Peggy being a nickname for Margaret, the English equivalent of Grietje, resided in the household of her first cousin Samuel-5 Williamson (William-4, Cornelius-3, Willem2-1) in Jacob Piatts Cobblers Census 1765-1772.] 3.10.2. John Duckworth, b. 1742; d. 16 Nov 1822; m. Jane, d. 10 Nov 1822; both bur. Mt. Pleasant Cemetery, Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ; parents of: 3.10.2.1 John Duckworth Jr. 3.10.2.2 Elijah 3.10.2.3 George {named in honor of paternal grandfather}, d. before 1822; had children, {probably including}: 3.10.2.3.1 Frederick, b. 1805; m. 9 March 1825 Margaret Ann Oaks. 3.10.2.3.1.1. Christopher D. 3.10.2.3.1.2. Elizabeth 3.10.2.3.1.3. George Edward {named in honor of paternal grandfather}. 3.10.2.3.1.4. Sarah 3.10.2.3.1.5. Margaret 3.10.2.3.1.6. Mary Jane 3.10.2.3.1.7. Alfred G. 3.10.2.3.1.8. Rebecca Sue 3.10.2.3.1.9. Catherine 3.10.2.3.1.10. Lydia 3.10.2.3.1.11. Frederick 3.10.2.4 Isaac, b. ca. 1766 3.10.2.5 Elizabeth, b. 23 March 1772; d. Vienna, OH 1859; m. William Chamberlan 3.10.2.6 Jemima {named in honor paternal grandmother}, b. 1776; m. John Sinclair. 3.10.2.7 Sarah, b. ca. 1782. 3.10.2.8 Mary, m. Peter Tomson.] -----Original Message----- From: Gary Myers [mailto:grmyers@iowatelecom.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:55 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Duckworth/Bellesfelt David, My interest is Frederick Duckworth born abt 1805 in NJ, and his son Alfred Duckworth born 1844 in NJ. When and where was George born? Wondering if they could be related. I also have Fayetta Henrietta Reep marrying a Sherman. Do you know his first name? Fayetta's g grandfather was Cornelius Myers. Thanks, Gary Myers David Sherman wrote: I have chidren of George Duckworth and Elizabeth Bellesfelt, but no dates of any kind. Let me know if you want me to post this and I'll do so. Dave Sherman Researching Sherman, Bellis, Rittenhouse, Reep, Dalrymple, Opdyke
I believe many of you would find answers to your land ownership questions by visiting the below site. Land records were handled differently in different states. There were deeds, quit claim deeds, leases, and releases, land bought through a "straw man". Some land ownership passed from father to son for many generations and a deed was only prepared and recorded when it was sold to someone outside the family. In some states the wife was questioned privately by an officer of the court to see if she agreed to the sale. (This one is great because you get to find out the name of the wife of the man who is selling.... but not the buyers wife...So most of the time... there is an exception to everything... if a man sold property in VA in the 1700's and 1800's and no woman was questioned, then he was not married at the time.) There are as many different ways as you can think of. As far as taxes, in our state OH you paid personal property tax on everything you owned if you were a laborer and worked for a farmer. You might live with he and his family or you might have a cabin on his property but if you owned your own horse and cow.... you paid taxes on them. something's never change. Ha! http://users.rcn.com/deeds/landref.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land >I agree with this [see below] as the "law" today, but I am not sure what >the law was back in the mid 1800s. I'm sure you remember that Blacks and >Women did not have the right to vote back then! As I mentioned, I am not a >historian and we need that input to confirm the situation! > > Regards, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan Pena > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > > I have been a public official in Texas. Here, it is not required to own > property to be an elected official or run for public office. You can be > a > renter or a "live in" person to be an elected official. The criteria is > that you must be a "resident" of a certain place (town or city). I would > imagine this is true most everywhere in the US because you can rent > property > and still have a voter's registration card and vote in elections. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > > > Hi Susan, > > > > I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question, perhaps a > > historian or scholar is watching the list and can fill in the details. > > > > My observations come from reading the Hunterdon Gazette and trying to > > locate people using the 1852 Cornell Map of Hunterdon County. > > > > There does appear to be many renters or tenants, or at least people who > > occupy a farm [property] location. This I derive from the many listings > of > > property for sale and a statement near the end of these items, in which > > interested persons can view the premises by calling on so and so. So & > > So's name is usually different from the subscriber - the person who has > > listed the property. > > > > All names printed in the Gazette are listed in the Gazette Index! > > > > I also presume, which needs verification, that "land tax" was paid by > the > > owner of record, just as it is today. > > > > And finally, the only way to know if a "renter" exists, is to consult > the > > Gazette Index and hope they are noted in one of the advertisements. > > > > Sorry I can't be more helpful. > > > > Regards, Bill > > > > P. S.: And I have a general question to the NJHUNTER List: > > > > Each year there are Township and County Elections for the various > > positions of responsibility. > > Must the people elected be land owners [Freeholders]? > > > > If 'YES', this would rule out renters' or tenants' names appearing in > > these newspaper items! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Susan Pena > > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:58 AM > > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to > mid > > 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were > there > > a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to > own" > > type land arrangements as we have them today. > > > > When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed > for > > them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, > > especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places > where > > there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or > from > > the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names > of > > property, if they were just renting the land? > > > > Susan > > > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > > ancestors at the same time. 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Susan, In the book "Hopewell Friends History 1734-1934 Frederick County, Virginia" ISBN 0-8063-0652-1 Has this reference WHITACRE-M'KAY Robert Whitacre, of the County of Louden (Loudoun) and State of Virginia, son of John Whitacre, deceased and Naomi his Wife of the County and State aforesaid, and Patience M'Kay, daughter of Andrew M'Kay and Jane his Wife of the County of Frederick and State aforesaid: 11 day of 11th month, 1789: at Crooked Run. (Crooked Run was the name of that "Meeting House" By this you can tell that in 1789 your John Whitacre was dead and left a widow Naomi who had not remarried. Which means she was probably living with this son or one of her other sons as a woman would not be alone in 1789. She could not survive without assistance. Witnesses who signed this Marriage Certificate: number 47 people. When the witnesses signed there were four columns... one for the Husbands family, (the one on the far right was for the Husbands family.... in that one are listed these Whitacres - Benj. Whitacre, Caleb Whitacre and Phebe Whitacre plus 9 others who were some way related to him) The next column to the left was for the Wife's relatives, the next to the left was other relatives and the fourth to the left was for other persons, relatives, neighbors, and guests, frequently some not Friends (as the Quakers were called.) In the index there are 16 Whitacre's mentioned. But none are George. If you want copies of these pages, please e-mail me off the list at calj@bright.net. The book also contains a early map of Hopewell and all the surrounding meetings. The Fairfax meeting was NW of Leesburg VA and west of the Potomac River where it bends and runs north and south. Cinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER]Kingwood MM Quaker > Cindi, > > Since you know so much about the Quakers, especially in Virginia, you > wouldn't have any information on the Whitacre/Whitaker, especially John > Whitacre who married Naomi Hulme, would you? He was born in Bucks Co., > PA, lived in Kingwood, NJ (1756) and later moved to Loudoun Co., VA. They > had a son, George who married Ruth Wilson and they were part of the > Fairfax MM and the Goose Creek Friends MM. Goose Creek Friends MM is in > Lincoln, Loudoun Co., VA (today) but I am not sure if Fairfax MM was in NJ > or not. Possibly. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cinda Justice" <calj@bright.net> > To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr > ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > >> Roz, >> Hopewell Meeting was a major Quaker group. And the interesting thing >> about it was that when folks moved away they began another group and >> called it Hopewell. You will find many locations in many states with the >> same name that held Quaker meetings (i.e. Hopewell Friends of Frederick >> Co. VA came from NJ). Their early "churches" were always called >> "Meetings" and the records for Quakers are wonderful but you need some >> help learning to read them. There are many books out there that give >> direction and help but the one I like is Our Quaker Ancestors by Ellen >> Thomas Berry and David Allen Berry written in 1966. Later when the >> Methodist faith was gathering momentum in the US, they also called there >> worship "Meetings". Many Quakers became Methodist in the early 1800's as >> they moved west and south. The largest collection of these Quaker >> records is housed at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore, >> Pennsylvania. A few things to remember about them is: all their children >> were taught to read and write, they married by standing in front of >> their members and reciting their own made up vows (so often there is no >> record except in the Quaker records), and early, they did not believe in >> having monuments placed on graves (so it is often difficult to find them >> in cemeteries). One neat thing about them was each meeting had a recorder >> and they kept track of when a person left their group and where they >> went. And if they came to a new "meeting" they would tell from whence >> they came. They listed all the attendants at a wedding and they gave the >> names of those disowned and why. >> I have found it very helpful to "fill in" information about the time my >> ancestors lived by searching for and reading histories of the US written >> before 1900. I like the one written by Ridpath. >> Good hunting, >> Cinda >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bellis Genealogy" <bellisgenealogy@verizon.net> >> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:46 PM >> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >> Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >> >> >>> Dane, >>> >>> Again very interesting... >>> >>> The Amanda Jane KIER who married (1862) the BELLIS in Highland Co OH >>> also >>> descended from the STOUTs of Hopewell, Hunterdon Co NJ: Rebecca STOUT >>> who >>> married Ralph DRAKE. >>> >>> I'm only now beginning to become educated on the Dunker (...and Quaker?) >>> movement from NJ to VA/PA...and then to KY which is where my central >>> interest lies in terms of busting my genealogical brick walls. Thus far >>> my >>> research has been focusing primarily on KY/NJ/PA Census and Land >>> acquisition >>> records in trying to figure all this out--not only of my direct >>> ancestors >>> but their neighbors and close associates as well. Only recently have I >>> been >>> paying attention to religious history/affiliation mainly out of >>> necessity >>> due to ambiguities and gaps in the Census & Land data. For about two >>> years >>> I have been uncovering clues which could suggest my Philip BELLIS's "as >>> yet" >>> identified parents may have been associated with either DUNKERs or >>> QUAKERs...or BAPTISTs. >>> >>> If Andrew BELLIS was a DUNKER or QUAKER would be a significant piece of >>> data. >>> >>> Thank you again! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:58 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >>> Andr >>> ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >>> >>> Good question! >>> >>> The town of Hopewell was called "Hopewell Meeting" in several >>> publications >>> of the early 1800s ("A Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey," 1834 was >>> one.) >>> The reference, I believe, is to the Baptist Meetings of the original >>> settlers. Originally they were held in individual homes. My Amwell >>> ancestors >>> (MANNERS) would travel over the mountain to attend meetings at their >>> STOUT >>> cousins' homes in Hopewell in the early 1700s. >>> >>> The 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon might help you with William. It listed >>> property >>> owners. That depends, however, on how much lead time they had for >>> corrections--Gideon Quick died in 1872 (his wife Clara died in 1873). >>> Gideon >>> lived in or near Reaville. >>> >>> Dane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:30 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- >>> Andrew >>> BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House >>> >>> Dane, >>> >>> Thank you for all this info. What I need to do get the "Adam BELLIS >>> homestead" deed history, plus the deed history on immigrant Adam's >>> brother >>> William's land referred to in LEQUEAR's "Traditions...": "Adam, the >>> father, had a brother William who settled where Gideon Quick now >>> lives..." >>> and map out this area. >>> >>> But something new has now popped up. Lequear's "Traditions" mentions >>> that >>> Adam's son Andrew moved to the Hopewell meeting house. Was this a >>> Quaker >>> meeting house? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:45 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Roz, >>> >>> Hopewell Borough would be those areas included within the city limits. >>> The >>> Township of the same name also includes rural land that is not within >>> those >>> limits. >>> >>> This Bellis farm would likely have originally belonged to Andrew Bellis >>> or >>> one of his descendants. Lequear's "Traditions of Hunterdon" has "Shortly >>> after William was born, his father Adam, built a new house, still known >>> as >>> the old Bellis homestead, and moved to it. He had five children: >>> William, >>> who remained on the homestead till his death, in 1826; Peter, who went >>> to >>> Kentucky; John, who lived on a part of the place; Andrew, who moved to >>> Hopewell meeting house; and Adam, who died near Cherryville." >>> >>> http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/Bellis.html >>> >>> Dane >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:21 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Dane, >>> >>> This is very interesting, however, I'm still confused insofar as the >>> meaning >>> of "north of the borough" and "North District Hopewell Twp". If you are >>> saying that you think the referenced "BELLIS farm" was probably located >>> in >>> what is today Mercer Co NJ, then I am ready to jump for joy...but I >>> won't >>> start jumping until I've actually reviewed the deed history. >>> >>> Here's "the rest of the story." According to online databases, which I >>> presume at this point to be correct, "Enoch W. DRAKE was a descendant of >>> Thomas and Dorothy (VanKIRK) DRAKE." I know, through correspondence >>> with a >>> descendant, that George BELLIS (b. 1805 in Highland Co OH) had a son who >>> married Arminda Jane KIER, also a descendant of Thomas and Dorothy >>> (VanKIRK) >>> DRAKE. BELLIS and KIER married in Highland Co OH in 1862. The question >>> is: >>> who was the father of George BELLIS. >>> >>> All signs point to George being a descendant of the BELLESFELTs of >>> Selters >>> (Nordhofen) Germany who immigrated to the Hunterdon Co NJ area circa >>> 1730/40, but the question is, which branch. He probably doesn't belong >>> to >>> immigrant Adam BELLIS(felt), the original owner of the "BELLIS >>> Homestead" >>> located along KUHL Road, since most of Adam's descendants have been >>> accounted for and I can't fit in "George from OHIO". If Enoch W. DRAKE >>> bought a different piece of BELLIS property, located not too far away >>> from >>> Adam and perhaps owned by Adam's brother, then the scent continues... >>> >>> Thanks for your reply! >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dane Coefer [mailto:danec@osfashland.org] >>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:39 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> This Bellis farm was likely in Mercer County in Hopewell Twp. north of >>> the >>> Borough boundaries. On the 1880 Census Joseph M. Phillips resided in the >>> "North Dist. Hopewell Township." Enoch W. Drake likely bought the >>> property >>> as an investment and never lived on it. He died in 1905 at his home of >>> 15 >>> years on Broad St. Hopewell. >>> >>> Dane Coefer >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bellis Genealogy [mailto:bellisgenealogy@verizon.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:47 PM >>> To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 >>> >>> Was hoping someone might know, off the top of their heads, what "Bellis >>> farm" is being referred to in the following item. This was reported in >>> the >>> November 16, 1897 Trenton Evening Times, under the subheading >>> "HOPEWELL": >>> >>> "At the sale of the real estate of Joseph M. PHILLIPS, deceased, on >>> Saturday, the harness property was sold to J.C. HARRISON and the >>> adjoining >>> lot, now occupied by Samuel CARVER to John TITUS, and the house and lot >>> in >>> East Hopewell, known as the BUCKLEY property, was sold to Samuel CARVER, >>> and >>> the farm north of the borough, known as the BELLIS farm, to Enoch W. >>> DRAKE. >>> Fair prices were obtained for all." >>> >>> I'm trying to ascertain if this farm might be the "BELLIS homestead" >>> located >>> along KUHL Road near the Copper Hill/Reaville area or is a different >>> Bellis >>> property. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Roz BELLIS >>> Alexandria VA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== >>> Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> >>> ============================== >>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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This is an excellent question. Long ago not everyone had enough money to buy land. Many people were renters all their life. This holds true now, as then. The FREE land offered out WEST, like in Oklahoma and Texas at one time, was a very big draw for poor folks looking to have their "American Dream". I recall in a history book story about one of my own relatives who went from New Jersey to Ohio and Indiana as of 1813, that the reason for the move was "a down turn of finances". He was a Doctor in New York City. This tells me he was for some reason unsuccessful, financially in NYC, perhaps a bad business deal, or perhaps he found too much competion in NYC. So he was forced to Go West for his income. If you couldn't make it in the NJ-NY area, you went WEST to try your luck. Land and Taxes are always in the name of the owner, never the renter. City directories will show all the citizens, regarless of ownership, and sometimes a city directory wiull even have a column noting did they rent or own, also census records, church records, etc. But if you have combed the correct county for deeds and taxes, then you must consider that they may have never owned property. (Make sure that you have checked the correct county!) I have found that CLERGY (ministers/preachers) often never owned land, but were given house and garden/field for their family, many times near to the church, and it was church owned land. That man's name will not show up. Could there be mines, or some other type of factory/occupation in which a company owned the houses that the workers lived at? My grandfather lived 43 years in a 'gas company' house, owned by the Lone Star Gas Co in Texas, he was the district supervisor. His name would never show on land deeds until he retired and moved away and bought a house. My Brower family were in New York City from 1642 thru 1813, I haven't checked, but many generations of them probably were renters, never actually owning their home. I have noticed that their house address in city director ies often changed from year to year, also evidence that they moved alot, because they were renters, not owners. In a rural countryside setting we would expect that a family OWNED their own farm, but perhaps they were renters of the land, called Tenant Farmers. In a large city like NYC we could expect that many persons rented, as opposed to owned. I wish you good luck in all your searches. Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Pena" <sweetsue63@sbcglobal.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:58 AM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" type land arrangements as we have them today. > > When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of property, if they were just renting the land? > > Susan > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > >
Lilly, You mentioned in your note that you found some of your information in city directories. Where can you find them and when did they start keeping them. Before the telephone ? Ann
I'm looking for information on a Mr. and Mrs. John M. ELGARD. My gggrandmother's (Mrs. Catherine GARMAN - DOD June 29, 1933) obituary states that she passed away at the residence of Mr. and Mrs. John M. ELGARD of near Sergeantsville with the funeral being held at that residence as well. Her Record of Funeral (from the helpful people at Holcombe-Fisher Funeral Home) lists the funeral as being held in Sand Brook. I'm hoping to contact someone that might be related to the ELGARDs in the hopes that someone of that line may have some info on Catherine (oral history, family papers, anything that might be related to Catherine.) Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks. Chris Garman Annapolis, MD __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
The Atlas in question is available at the Hunter County Historical Society: > > >> >> >>> Beers, Comstock and Cline, 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon County, New Jersey. >>> The Atlas is 13 1/2" by 16", 77 pages with a hard cover and contains maps >>> of fourteen townships and thirty-two towns existing in Hunterdon County in >>> 1873, printed on acid-free paper. Reprinted 1987 by Hunterdon County >>> Historical Society. $40.00 >>> >>> >> The following is a link to their web page where you can find the contact > information needed. Click on the tab marked " publications" to see everything > that is available there. > The Official Page of the Hunterdon County Historical Society Kay Larsen
Another source of information on non-owners can be the non-population tax schedules. Although my ancestor only owned land for about ten years of his adult life, he did farm, and his farm production appeared in the agricultural census. I still don't know where the farm was, but I do know what he raised or grew. If the census taker went in order of the properties, I should be able to locate him generally relative to the nearest land-owner. Lots of work, and I haven't done it yet, but it should work. Leslie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
I bought mine from the Hunterdon County Historical Society. They will mail book orders. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Coefer" <danec@osfashland.org> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] -- Hunterdon Atlas > From time to time the 1873 Hunterdon Atlas is sold on Ebay. I see someone > is > currently selling one there with bidding ending June 1st. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bertha Ann Lucas [mailto:balucas@houston.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:29 PM > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr > ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House > > Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? > > Bertha Ann > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.2 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
Please note that the "1873 Atlas of Hunterdon County, New Jersey" has been reprinted in 1987 and is available from the Hunterdon County Historical Society, 114 Main Street, Flemington, NJ 08822 with a price of $40.00. The notice did not stipulate postage, so I assume that is the total price. I do not have this series of maps, but I have seen them and they are well worth the price to anyone who is a serious researcher of Hunterdon County. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Dane Coefer To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [NJHUNTER] -- Hunterdon Atlas From time to time the 1873 Hunterdon Atlas is sold on Ebay. I see someone is currently selling one there with bidding ending June 1st. -----Original Message----- From: Bertha Ann Lucas [mailto:balucas@houston.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:29 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? Bertha Ann ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx
I just purchased mine from the Genealogical Society of Trenton for 45.75 . john newman <johnfnewman@yahoo.com> wrote:E-bay is selling it for $502.00. Or you can be a decent replica from the Hunterdon County Historical Society for $40.00. That is where I got mine. With over a 1000% mark-up on E-Bay, I am definitely satisfied with my copy. In fact, there is often a few things on E-Bay that sell for much more than the Historical Society or the Hunterdon Co. Historica and Cultural Commision sell it for. (Plus, where would you rather have your money go?) - John Dane Coefer wrote: From time to time the 1873 Hunterdon Atlas is sold on Ebay. I see someone is currently selling one there with bidding ending June 1st. -----Original Message----- From: Bertha Ann Lucas [mailto:balucas@houston.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:29 PM To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] BELLIS farm sold to Enoch W. DRAKE in 1897 -- Andr ew BELLIS at Hopewell Meeting House Where might one find a copy of the 1873 Atlas of Hunterdon (to buy)? Bertha Ann ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== This mail list is archived at: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx Nancy Janyszeski Bucks County & Northampton History and Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buckscounty/ http://www.pa-roots.com/~northampton/ http://www.nockamixon.us http://rootsweb.com/~pabucks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
I agree with this [see below] as the "law" today, but I am not sure what the law was back in the mid 1800s. I'm sure you remember that Blacks and Women did not have the right to vote back then! As I mentioned, I am not a historian and we need that input to confirm the situation! Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Pena To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land I have been a public official in Texas. Here, it is not required to own property to be an elected official or run for public office. You can be a renter or a "live in" person to be an elected official. The criteria is that you must be a "resident" of a certain place (town or city). I would imagine this is true most everywhere in the US because you can rent property and still have a voter's registration card and vote in elections. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hartman" <mrbill1033@comcast.net> To: <NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > Hi Susan, > > I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question, perhaps a > historian or scholar is watching the list and can fill in the details. > > My observations come from reading the Hunterdon Gazette and trying to > locate people using the 1852 Cornell Map of Hunterdon County. > > There does appear to be many renters or tenants, or at least people who > occupy a farm [property] location. This I derive from the many listings of > property for sale and a statement near the end of these items, in which > interested persons can view the premises by calling on so and so. So & > So's name is usually different from the subscriber - the person who has > listed the property. > > All names printed in the Gazette are listed in the Gazette Index! > > I also presume, which needs verification, that "land tax" was paid by the > owner of record, just as it is today. > > And finally, the only way to know if a "renter" exists, is to consult the > Gazette Index and hope they are noted in one of the advertisements. > > Sorry I can't be more helpful. > > Regards, Bill > > P. S.: And I have a general question to the NJHUNTER List: > > Each year there are Township and County Elections for the various > positions of responsibility. > Must the people elected be land owners [Freeholders]? > > If 'YES', this would rule out renters' or tenants' names appearing in > these newspaper items! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan Pena > To: NJHUNTER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:58 AM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Homes and Land > > > I was wondering if anyone can answer this question. In the early to mid > 1800s and before when the country was mostly rural and farmers, were there > a lot of people who rented property from someone or possibly "rent to own" > type land arrangements as we have them today. > > When you know your family lived in an area and you can't find a deed for > them or their parents, is it likely they could have "rented" property, > especially if they were young and just starting out? Also in places where > there was land tax collected, was the tax collected from the owner or from > the occupant of the land? Is there any way of knowing renter's names of > property, if they were just renting the land? > > Susan > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Updated Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn > more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== > This mail list is archived at: > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== NJHUNTER Mailing List ==== This mail list is archived at: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJHUNTER ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx