Pat, I don't know much about Margaret.Elizabeth was my ancestor. Thanks,Kathie On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:30:12 EST [email protected] wrote: > Was Elizabeth and Margaret related in some way?? > Dau of Margaret and John R?? > thank you > Pat > cw > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2008 5:16:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Elizabeth was a Smith by birth who married a Curtis. > > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:56:42 EST > [email protected] wrote: >> Was Margaret a SMITH by birth or did she marry John R SMITH?? >> >> Sorry, I am very dense today. >> >> thank you. >> Pat >> cw >> >> >> >> In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:02:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hi Kathie, >> Have you ever been to Clover Hill Reformed Church? There's a photo of it >>on >> my website. The cemeteries completely surround the rear and both sides > of >> the church to such an extent that they're unable to build an addition to >>the >> building! It's a lovely place and in a beautiful spot. >> >> There are no Curtis people listed as being buried in the Clover Hill >> Cemetery. The only early Smith is the Margaret Ann Smith, born 1798, > died >>1883, age >> 85 "Our mother - Wife of John R." The other Smiths are all born after > 1800. >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> >> KATHIE KIRKPATRICK <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Perry, >> It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines > >> again criss-cross. >> I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your >> research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time > has >> passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. >> >> I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis >>were >> living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to > earlier >> lines. >> >> I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property >> ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to >> Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. >> >> Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset > counties. >> The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local >> Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have > located >> Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or >> siblings. >> >> I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with > >> the >> Williamson family. >> >> Thank you so much for your time, >> Kathie >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 >> "Perry Streeter" >> wrote: >>> Thanks Mike! >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union >>> Townships >>> >>> >>> Perry, >>> >>> New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 >>> Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 >>> Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 >>> >>> Mike Morrissey >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> >> Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun >> Yardville, NJ >> Our family website >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Was Margaret a SMITH by birth or did she marry John R SMITH?? Sorry, I am very dense today. thank you. Pat cw In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:02:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Kathie, Have you ever been to Clover Hill Reformed Church? There's a photo of it on my website. The cemeteries completely surround the rear and both sides of the church to such an extent that they're unable to build an addition to the building! It's a lovely place and in a beautiful spot. There are no Curtis people listed as being buried in the Clover Hill Cemetery. The only early Smith is the Margaret Ann Smith, born 1798, died 1883, age 85 "Our mother - Wife of John R." The other Smiths are all born after 1800. Sharon KATHIE KIRKPATRICK <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Perry, It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines again criss-cross. I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time has passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis were living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to earlier lines. I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset counties. The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have located Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or siblings. I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with the Williamson family. Thank you so much for your time, Kathie On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 "Perry Streeter" wrote: > Thanks Mike! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union > Townships > > > Perry, > > New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 > Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 > Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 > > Mike Morrissey > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun Yardville, NJ Our family website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Elizabeth was a Smith by birth who married a Curtis. On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:56:42 EST [email protected] wrote: > Was Margaret a SMITH by birth or did she marry John R SMITH?? > > Sorry, I am very dense today. > > thank you. > Pat > cw > > > > In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:02:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Kathie, > Have you ever been to Clover Hill Reformed Church? There's a photo of it >on > my website. The cemeteries completely surround the rear and both sides of > the church to such an extent that they're unable to build an addition to >the > building! It's a lovely place and in a beautiful spot. > > There are no Curtis people listed as being buried in the Clover Hill > Cemetery. The only early Smith is the Margaret Ann Smith, born 1798, died >1883, age > 85 "Our mother - Wife of John R." The other Smiths are all born after 1800. > > Sharon > > > > > KATHIE KIRKPATRICK <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Perry, > It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines > again criss-cross. > I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your > research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time has > passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. > > I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis >were > living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to earlier > lines. > > I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property > ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to > Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. > > Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset counties. > The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local > Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have located > Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or > siblings. > > I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with > the > Williamson family. > > Thank you so much for your time, > Kathie > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 > "Perry Streeter" > wrote: >> Thanks Mike! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union >> Townships >> >> >> Perry, >> >> New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 >> Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 >> Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 >> >> Mike Morrissey >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected].com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun > Yardville, NJ > Our family website > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, I do thank you for your reply and suggestion about getting the book through inter-library loan. I would have followed up on that, but another nice person sent me a copy of the page. Again, thank you ! Melva Calaman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Lookup > Melva, > > I had a copy of this book in my hands last month. But my library doesn't > own it, so I had to get it through inter-library loan (ILL), even though > it was published only ten miles away. I can't remember now which library > it came from, but there are libraries out there that will lend it. You > have to go through your local library and ask them to get it for you. > > Leslie Moore > Reference Librarian > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of mcalaman > Sent: Fri 2/22/2008 9:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Lookup > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of Marriage Bonds of Ontario 1803-1834 > published by Hunterdon House, Lambertville, NJ ? On page 294, there is > supposed to be a reference to Ashley Hackett of Grimsby, Ontario in 1833 > and I would like to find out what it says about him. I'll gladly pay, if > anyone has access and could enlighten me. Thank you ! Melva Calaman > Sabinsville, Pa. > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon and Harry, I have been to Clover Hill and toured the old family home and creamry.My father was born in that farmhouse. The Curtis family had become Baptist by the time David Sr. and Elizabeth were married. The family attended the Baptisttown church of Rev. Curtis. Unfortunately, there is no direct link that I can find between the family of Rev.Thomas Curtis and my David Sr. I do believe that the men were cousins from the Burlington Co.,NJ. Many of that Quaker family had married out of meeting by then. I thought perhaps I could trace the Curtis family through David's marriage to Elizabeth. However, I seem to be having as much trouble with the Smith's as with the Curtis'. My research is leading me to believe that the tie will come through the Opdyke family of Hunterdon Co. Thank you for checking the records for me. I appreciate your kindness. Yes, Clover Hill is so beautiful that I would like to live there today. Kathie On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:01:31 -0800 (PST) Sharon and Harry <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kathie, > Have you ever been to Clover Hill Reformed Church? There's a photo of it >on my website. The cemeteries completely surround the rear and both sides of >the church to such an extent that they're unable to build an addition to the >building! It's a lovely place and in a beautiful spot. > > There are no Curtis people listed as being buried in the Clover Hill >Cemetery. The only early Smith is the Margaret Ann Smith, born 1798, died >1883, age 85 "Our mother - Wife of John R." The other Smiths are all born >after 1800. > > Sharon > > > > > KATHIE KIRKPATRICK <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Perry, > It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines > again criss-cross. > I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your > research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time has > passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. > > I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis were > living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to earlier > lines. > > I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property > ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to > Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. > > Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset counties. > The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local > Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have located > Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or > siblings. > > I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with >the > Williamson family. > > Thank you so much for your time, > Kathie > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 > "Perry Streeter" > wrote: >> Thanks Mike! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union >> Townships >> >> >> Perry, >> >> New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 >> Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 >> Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 >> >> Mike Morrissey >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun > Yardville, NJ > Our family website > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Linda Muessig posted to the list: "The Rev. Henry Melchoir Muhlenberg also was a preacher in New Jersey. In Hunterdon and Warren County is the river Musconetcong." Since posting my original question about a 1758 baptism I thought occurred in New Jersey because of the source of the baptism given to me, I have since learned that the Rev. Muhlenberg, who was the minister of the Lutheran church at Trappe, PA, and who lived in New Providence near Trappe, (then in Philadelphia Co., now in Montgomery Co.) PA, did travel across the Delware River into the Hunterdon-Warren Co. areas of the Musconetcong River and South Branch of the Raritan and performed baptisms. If you have been looking for a baptism in this area of NJ, this is a heads up that the Rev. Muhlenberg may have performed the baptism and entered it into his PA church records. The president of the Cressman Family Assn. just sent me this information about a book she has: "I suddenly remembered a little book I had and found it, 'Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Congregation at Trappe, Pennsylvania (Perkomen Valley) by Julius Friedrich Sachse. The book I have is a reprinting of that record by Closson Press of Apollo, PA, in 2003. "It shows some baptisms at the New Jersey location ending with one on Oct 5, 1757. The next baptism is Oct 9, 1757 at New Providence, PA. The listings for New Providence continues for the balance of 1757 and continues into 1758 with 2 baptisms at Neshaniny and one marked Noth-Taufe after the baptism date. "Then in June 1758 the record switches back to New Jersey for a few baptisms and then back to New Providence, PA. " ************************** Hope the above helps someone who has been looking for a 1756-1758 Hunterdon Co., NJ baptism. I do not own the above book, so can't provide look ups. Helen Graves

For some reason or other the URL I sent in my last post is not working for some people. Please try: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/Williamson_Resu lts.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/Williamson_Results.htm) Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ Williamson DNA Project adm. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~williamsondnaproject/INDEX.htm) or _http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Williamson%20DNA%20Project/index.aspx?fix ed_columns=on_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Williamson%20DNA%20Project/index.aspx?fixed_columns=on) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Kathie, Have you ever been to Clover Hill Reformed Church? There's a photo of it on my website. The cemeteries completely surround the rear and both sides of the church to such an extent that they're unable to build an addition to the building! It's a lovely place and in a beautiful spot. There are no Curtis people listed as being buried in the Clover Hill Cemetery. The only early Smith is the Margaret Ann Smith, born 1798, died 1883, age 85 "Our mother - Wife of John R." The other Smiths are all born after 1800. Sharon KATHIE KIRKPATRICK <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Perry, It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines again criss-cross. I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time has passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis were living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to earlier lines. I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset counties. The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have located Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or siblings. I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with the Williamson family. Thank you so much for your time, Kathie On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 "Perry Streeter" wrote: > Thanks Mike! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union > Townships > > > Perry, > > New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 > Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 > Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 > > Mike Morrissey > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Harry and Sharon Moore Colquhoun Yardville, NJ Our family website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hscc/ --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I might as well get into the DNA act. My line of WILLIAMSON's has been proven back to the immigrant Dutch Willem Gerritsen and Mary ? My DNA has several matches, so if anyone needs proof by DNA of their ancestry they can compare to mine. My values are at my web site. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Williamson/Williamson_Results.htm Participant # 10503. Click on that # and you can see my ancestry. or go to Family tree DNA site: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Williamson%20DNA%20Project/index.aspx?fixe d_columns=on Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I have been working on the family of Mary (Pickel) Bodine for over 20 years, Her father was Johan Balthazar Pickel who b. 1731 and d. 1796 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. Her mother was Anna Barbara Becker b. ? and who died in 1805. Mary's mother left her a slave Rachel and the recent records posted by the NJ Archives with birth certificates for slaves born after 1804, listed Mary Bodine, widow, as the prior owner of a slave Rachel, who had a daughter Elizabeth in 1806. Mary's husband was Jacob Bodine who died in 1801. Her brother Nicholas Pickel was the administrator of the estate. Part of my problem in tracing the family was their lack of assets. When Jacob died his inventory was $206.75. Mary would have been between 30-35 years old with 6 minor children I have identified: John b. 1788, Frederick b. 1791, Elizabeth b. 1794, Sarah b. 1796 (my ancestor who married John Chamberlin and died in Champaign Co., Ohio in 1873), William b. 1798, and Samuel b. by 1801. I think widow Mary Bodine may have married (2) Ebenezer Petty 31 Dec. 1805. This probably would have been a second marriage for both. I think Ebenezer Petty died 24 Dec. 1836 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. I have found a Mary Petty 81 living in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co. with the following family: William Slought 40 b. NJ Matilda 38 b. NJ Deborah Ann 10 b. NH possibly Anderson ? male 8 b. NJ Mary Petty 81 b. NJ value of real estate $2,000. Could Matilda be a daughter from Mary Petty's second marriage to Ebenezer Petty? If so, Matilda would have been born when Mary was 42 or 43. Can anyone tell me more about this Slought family? does anyone know when Mary Petty died? Or where she is buried? I'd like to find her probate record, if one exists to see if it mentions Bodine children. I believe the Sloughts were living in Phillipsburg, Warren Co. by the 1880 census. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Don Very interesting. Thank you for posting. Pat cw My Mother's side of the tree, are all Germany. So good thing to know when going to do research again on her side of the tree trunk. In a message dated 2/24/2008 12:58:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Roz, thanks for bringing the family connections in Germany and then Hunterdon to our attention. I am interested in this family grouping and this may eventually help. I have seen in my own German ancestors that migrated in the mid 19th century, that family groups moved to St. Louis and then several years later to farming communities in the rural outskirts where land was available. A prominent German records scholar, author, and genealogy lecturer, Roger P. Minert, articulates that it was common in Germany that when someone with a common name like Johann Schmidt moved to another locality they might use the name Johann Schmidt aus Anhuizen, or whatever the town was named, to differentiate themselves from others of the same name. Eventually, the Meier would be dropped and they would simply use the name of the family's former location. It happens several times in his own family. I can't guess whether this is the case that you discuss, or as you say, the genealogist misread the document, but it something to consider as a possiblity. Dan Vornberg **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Perry, It's nice to see your messages on the email once more as our family lines again criss-cross. I was wondering if you had encountered any Curtis/Smith marriages in your research to date. When last we visited, you had not. However, some time has passed and I'm sure you have covered much more ground by now. I am still looking for Elizabeth Smith b.+/- 1776. She and David Curtis were living in Hunterdon Co.,NJ by 1804. I cannot link either of them to earlier lines. I have read a document re: Barefoot Smith of NJ. Barefoot whose property ajoined that of David Curtis Sr. in Clover Hill, NJ, left property to Elizabeth Smith and Mary, his daughter. Clover Hill is located on the line between Hunterdon and Somerset counties. The properties of Barefoot and David were close to the yard of the local Dutch Reform Church. Do you know anything about this family? I have located Barefoot in Ill. but no one seems to have any record of his parents or siblings. I am hoping that you will be able to help me as you have in the past with the Williamson family. Thank you so much for your time, Kathie On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:50 -0500 "Perry Streeter" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Mike! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union > Townships > > > Perry, > > New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 > Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 > Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 > > Mike Morrissey > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

I was interested in seeing all the NJ baptisms referred to in the below posting. I went to the W. T. Young Library, University of KY to consult the volume. 1st ... The volume is VI, not 4. [Proceedings Bethlehem, Oct, 16 1895. Published by the Society 1896.] 2nd ... In the article, through out the earlier years, listings appear to be chronological but no heading change when the years change. Occasionally baptisms not at the Evangelical Lutheran Augusta Church at Trappe, New Providence Township, Montgomery County. PA or likely, not affiliated, have the location, religious affiliation of the parents and other pastor included. The ANNO headings begin on page 212with ANNO 1753. Anno 1757 The first Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan are on page 224 and 225. They occurred on Sept 28, Oct 4, 5, 6. After two (2) baptisms listed on page 225, the heading changes to New Providence. The baptisms occurred Oct. 9 - Dec. 9, 1757. Anno 1758 Begins on page 225 and continues on page 226 with 3 listed on page 227. The dates are Feb 2, 1758 thru March 21, 1758. The March 12, 1758 baptism given below is on page 226. It is seems clear that the below baptism took place in Montgomery Co.PA and not in NJ. After three (3) Providence baptisms listed on page 227, this heading follows "Baptized June 17, 1758, in New Jersey on the RARITAN, After Previous Instruction". Five (5) adults are listed. Heading changes to "New Providence" Thereafter, ANNO changes but no locality headings are given. FYI: The Surnames in the NJ listings are: Bock, Metzger, Brown, Hof, Horn, Catem. Meisinger, Street, Klotter, Haas, Penter, Schertz, Hendershut, Phillips, Smith Towardton, Bauman. FYI: Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings have combined volumes indexes printed in the last volume indexed. FYI: Familysearch.org has cataloged a set of books by Don Yoder Records included in these volumes are selected Lutheran and Reformed congregations in colonial Pennsylvania, plus one Moravian record." -- Excerpted from the Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings and Addresses and reprinted, with an added introduction and an index." _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?disp lay=titledetails&titleno=8386&disp=Pennsylvania+German+church+records+of+bi%20 %20&columns=*,0,0_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=8386&disp=Pennsylvania+German+chur ch+records+of+bi%20%20&columns=*,0,0) Phyllis Vannoy Spiker -------------------------------------- Can anyone shed light on this baptism location? The source for the 1758 baptism of Johan Adam Croesman (Crissman/Cressman) is "Records of Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church in Trappe, PA" published in PA German Society Proceedings, Vol. 4, p. 226 under the heading of "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan". In 1758, Trappe, PA, was in an area of Philadelphia County that became Montgomery Co. The minister of the the old Lutheran church at Trappe was the Rev. Muhlenberg. The parents of J. Adam Croesman were J. George (the Saddler) Croesman and Anna Margaretha Renn. They lived near Trappe. It would seem likely that their baby would be baptized by their minister at Trappe (that was their church). However, the additional notation that the baptism was under the heading "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan" has me puzzled. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Phyllis, Thank you, thank you, for taking the time to find the baptism in the correct volume of the Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings and for describing how the entries are listed in the volume. You have saved me untold research hours trying to find out why a baptism would take place in New Jersey when the parents were members of the church in New Providence (Trappe) and lived in Montgomery Co., PA. I am going to send this to the president of the Cressman Family Assn. so she can correct their records for this baptism. Helen Graves ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] 1758 baptisms at Musquenickung and Raritan? > > I was interested in seeing all the NJ baptisms referred to in the below > posting. I went to the W. T. Young Library, University of KY to consult > the > volume. > > 1st ... The volume is VI, not 4. [Proceedings Bethlehem, Oct, 16 1895. > Published by the Society 1896.] > > 2nd ... In the article, through out the earlier years, listings appear to > be > chronological but no heading change when the years change. Occasionally > baptisms not at the Evangelical Lutheran Augusta Church at Trappe, New > Providence > Township, Montgomery County. PA or likely, not affiliated, have the > location, religious affiliation of the parents and other pastor > included. The ANNO > headings begin on page 212with ANNO 1753. > > Anno 1757 > The first Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan are on page > 224 and 225. They occurred on Sept 28, Oct 4, 5, 6. After two (2) > baptisms > listed on page 225, the heading changes to New Providence. The baptisms > occurred > Oct. 9 - Dec. 9, 1757. > > Anno 1758 > Begins on page 225 and continues on page 226 with 3 listed on page 227. > The > dates are Feb 2, 1758 thru March 21, 1758. The March 12, 1758 baptism > given > below is on page 226. It is seems clear that the below baptism took place > in > Montgomery Co.PA and not in NJ. > > After three (3) Providence baptisms listed on page 227, this heading > follows > "Baptized June 17, 1758, in New Jersey on the RARITAN, After Previous > Instruction". Five (5) adults are listed. > > Heading changes to "New Providence" > > Thereafter, ANNO changes but no locality headings are given. > > FYI: The Surnames in the NJ listings are: Bock, Metzger, Brown, Hof, > Horn, > Catem. Meisinger, Street, Klotter, Haas, Penter, Schertz, Hendershut, > Phillips, Smith Towardton, Bauman. > > FYI: Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings have combined volumes indexes > printed in the last volume indexed. > > FYI: Familysearch.org has cataloged a set of books by Don Yoder Records > included in these volumes are selected Lutheran and Reformed > congregations in > colonial Pennsylvania, plus one Moravian record." -- Excerpted from the > Pennsylvania German Society Proceedings and Addresses and reprinted, with > an added > introduction and an index." > _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?disp > lay=titledetails&titleno=8386&disp=Pennsylvania+German+church+records+of+bi%20 > %20&columns=*,0,0_ > (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=8386&disp=Pennsylvania+German+chur > ch+records+of+bi%20%20&columns=*,0,0) > > Phyllis Vannoy Spiker > -------------------------------------- >

Thanks Mike! -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morrissey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:58 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union Townships Perry, New Jersey Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc., Vol II, p 752 Smith, Asher, 8527J, Will 1884, Inventory I884 Smith, Asher, 9080 J, Inventory 1889 Mike Morrissey

Helen, You need to contact Gem Nelson at [email protected] He is the president of the Cressman Family Association and I am sure he can provide you with all the information you are seeking. Cynthia Helen Graves wrote: > Can anyone shed light on this baptism location? > > The source for the 1758 baptism of Johan Adam Croesman (Crissman/Cressman) is "Records of Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church in Trappe, PA" published in PA German Society Proceedings, Vol. 4, p. 226 under the heading of "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan". > > In 1758, Trappe, PA, was in an area of Philadelphia County that became Montgomery Co. The minister of the the old Lutheran church at Trappe was the Rev. Muhlenberg. The parents of J. Adam Croesman were J. George (the Saddler) Croesman and Anna Margaretha Renn. They lived near Trappe. > > It would seem likely that their baby would be baptized by their minister at Trappe (that was their church). However, the additional notation that the baptism was under the heading "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan" has me puzzled. > > I tried googling Musquenickung and got nothing. I found a Raritan in NJ, but I am not sure it is the right Raritan. > > In 1758, was there a place called Musquenickung in Old Hunterdon County? Was Raritan in Old Hunterdon County? And did the Rev. Muhlenberg of Trappe, PA, travel to these places to conduct baptisms for the babies born to his Trappe members? > > Helen Graves > -- who is researching J. George 'the Saddler' Croesman who lived near Trappe, PA, in 1758 and his wife Anna Margaretha Renn, who was probably from New Jersey. All I know about her is she was the daughter of a Leanardt Renn "of New Jersey". Have no idea where he lived in NJ but now suspect a place called Musquenickung or near Raritan due to this baptism entry. > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Cynthia, I got the baptism record for J. Adam Croesman from Gem Nelson of the Cressman Family Assn. Gem has no idea why there was the notation to "New Jersey Baptisms at Musquenickung and Raritan" under "Records of the Augusta Evangelical Lutheran Church of Trappe, PA". Regarding Anna Margaretha Renn, Gem has nothing on the Renn family, except for the info found in the Rev. Henry Melchoir Muhlenberg's Journals to "J. Michael Renn, brother in law to J.George (the Saddler) Croesman, son of Leanardt Renn of New Jersey". Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] 1758 baptisms at Musquenickung and Raritan? > Helen, > > You need to contact Gem Nelson at [email protected] He is the president of > the Cressman Family Association and I am sure he can provide you with > all the information you are seeking. > > Cynthia > > Helen Graves wrote: > >> Can anyone shed light on this baptism location? >> >> The source for the 1758 baptism of Johan Adam Croesman >> (Crissman/Cressman) is "Records of Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church >> in Trappe, PA" published in PA German Society Proceedings, Vol. 4, p. 226 >> under the heading of "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and >> Raritan". >> >> In 1758, Trappe, PA, was in an area of Philadelphia County that became >> Montgomery Co. The minister of the the old Lutheran church at Trappe was >> the Rev. Muhlenberg. The parents of J. Adam Croesman were J. George (the >> Saddler) Croesman and Anna Margaretha Renn. They lived near Trappe. >> >> It would seem likely that their baby would be baptized by their minister >> at Trappe (that was their church). However, the additional notation that >> the baptism was under the heading "Baptisms in New Jersey at >> Musquenickung and Raritan" has me puzzled. >> >> I tried googling Musquenickung and got nothing. I found a Raritan in NJ, >> but I am not sure it is the right Raritan. >> >> In 1758, was there a place called Musquenickung in Old Hunterdon County? >> Was Raritan in Old Hunterdon County? And did the Rev. Muhlenberg of >> Trappe, PA, travel to these places to conduct baptisms for the babies >> born to his Trappe members? >> >> Helen Graves >> -- who is researching J. George 'the Saddler' Croesman who lived near >> Trappe, PA, in 1758 and his wife Anna Margaretha Renn, who was probably >> from New Jersey. All I know about her is she was the daughter of a >> Leanardt Renn "of New Jersey". Have no idea where he lived in NJ but now >> suspect a place called Musquenickung or near Raritan due to this baptism >> entry. >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

To those in search of death certificates: I may be incorrect, but I seem to recall that death certificates from that time period are on microfilm at the NJ State Archives in Trenton. I found my own ancestor's 1879 death certificate there and I paid only a minor fee to have it printed on the spot. The archivists on duty are very helpful and will point you in the direction of the correct microfilm... then you start scrolling and scrolling until you find it. Rita in Hunterdon Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Streeter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] 3 Asher SMITHs (esp. ca. 1805-1880+); Bethlehem & Union Townships >I am a direct descendant of Robert & Jemima (-----) SMITH of Bethlehem > Township. For details on this family, please see... > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~streeter/smith-robert.pdf > > One of my cousins had an excellent suggestion for potentially determining > the maiden name of Jemima (-----) SMITH by locating the death certificate > of > one her younger children. One of the best candidates is the youngest son > with the distinctive name of Asher SMITH. However, there were actually > two > men bearing this name in Hunterdon County and any help in shortening the > list, or narrowing the number of years to be searched, before paying death > certificate search fees would be greatly appreciated! > > In the 1850 census of Bethlehem, Hunterdon, NJ there are two households > with an Asher SMITH as head of household. The older one was most likely > the > son of Robert & Jemima (-----) SMITH: > > 1) Asher Smith, age 45, p 229B [b. circa 1805] > Martha, age 45 > Steven, age 21 > Elizabeth, age 19 > John, age 18 > Estha (?) M., age 12 > Martha, age 11 > Mary, age 7 > > *He died sometime after 1880* *When?* > *His death record may reveal the maiden name of Jemima (-----) SMITH* > > However, there another potential match for the son of Robert and Jemima > (-----) SMITH: > > 2) Asher Smith, age 40, p 237A [b. circa 1810] > Mary Ann, age 31 > Augustus K., age 10 > Mary E., age 8 > John, age 4 > Alexander, age 1 > > In addition to being younger, Asher Smith (b. circa 1810) is a less likely > match for the son of Robert and Jemima (-----) SMITH because, in the 1840 > census, he lived next door to yet a third Asher Smith who was probably his > father and who was too old to have been the son of Robert and Jemima > (-----) > SMITH. Asher Smith (b. ca 1810) married Mary Ann Stires on 4 Dec 1838 and > lived in Union Township after it was split off from Bethlehem Township in > 1853. Asher Smith (b. ca. 1810) lived until 1884 (see notice below). > > http://njsuttonfamily.org/Newspaper/jan1884.htm > >>From the Hunterdon Democrat: > October 21, 1884, Forty-Seventh Volume, No. 10 > <snip> > > Mr. Asher Smith, an old and highly esteemed citizen of Union township, > died > on Friday morning, 10th inst., from an attack of paralysis, while visiting > with his son, near Frenchtown. > > Thank you for any help! > > Perry > > www.perry.streeter.com > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Muhlenberg also was a preacher in New Jersey. In Hunterdon and Warren County is the river Musconetcong. I would venture a guess this is what you are looking at. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Graves" <[email protected]> To: "NJ Hunterdon Co." <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] 1758 baptisms at Musquenickung and Raritan? > Can anyone shed light on this baptism location? > > The source for the 1758 baptism of Johan Adam Croesman (Crissman/Cressman) > is "Records of Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church in Trappe, PA" > published in PA German Society Proceedings, Vol. 4, p. 226 under the > heading of "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung and Raritan". > > In 1758, Trappe, PA, was in an area of Philadelphia County that became > Montgomery Co. The minister of the the old Lutheran church at Trappe was > the Rev. Muhlenberg. The parents of J. Adam Croesman were J. George (the > Saddler) Croesman and Anna Margaretha Renn. They lived near Trappe. > > It would seem likely that their baby would be baptized by their minister > at Trappe (that was their church). However, the additional notation that > the baptism was under the heading "Baptisms in New Jersey at Musquenickung > and Raritan" has me puzzled. > > I tried googling Musquenickung and got nothing. I found a Raritan in NJ, > but I am not sure it is the right Raritan. > > In 1758, was there a place called Musquenickung in Old Hunterdon County? > Was Raritan in Old Hunterdon County? And did the Rev. Muhlenberg of > Trappe, PA, travel to these places to conduct baptisms for the babies born > to his Trappe members? > > Helen Graves > -- who is researching J. George 'the Saddler' Croesman who lived near > Trappe, PA, in 1758 and his wife Anna Margaretha Renn, who was probably > from New Jersey. All I know about her is she was the daughter of a > Leanardt Renn "of New Jersey". Have no idea where he lived in NJ but now > suspect a place called Musquenickung or near Raritan due to this baptism > entry. > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message